Wez vs Eddo - Thread Split

[wez]

Except for this...

 

 

I dunno. I do think "intent" is a very hard thing to prove online, and that is going to be a hard concept for many of us to get behind. Like when you called TJ a liberal. I know your style, so I knew right away that it was a slam.

 

Didn't you ask me 2 days ago what was so bad about being called a liberal? Please explain...

[ImWithStupid]

IDo I make a valid point IWS?

 

Which point?

[snafu]

Being called a liberal is a lame slam. And if were going to get that petty its gonna bring the board down big time. being called a killer is no where near the same as being called a liberal. But I think we should all take a little and then back the hell away. There's no need for the tit for tat.

[snafu]

Double post please ignore.

[wez]

The funniest part of all this, is I didn't call, or intend to call TJ a liberal. I agreed with him, and said, "welcome to the liberal party".. Thought he may chuckle at least that we agreed on a very strong, defining political point in light of him labeling, and intending to slam me by calling me a liberal, as well as killer and other assorted fun for the last 6 months... I was mistaken..

 

 

No point IWS, sorry... my point is with eddo, and TJ..

 

 

I wonder if people who intend to personally attack people automatically think that is everyones intention for them? Hmmmmmmmm

 

Where'd ya go eddo? Didn't you just accuse me an hour ago of not being capable of handling things in public? Whenever it came to that you always seem to get busy real quick and disappear.. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[wez]

Previous post of mine contains a 100% intended bait... demerit please.

[timesjoke]

Sometimes a personal attack is on topic, let's consider the abortion discussion where I was called names for having a strong opinion to end most abortion or Wez being called a killer becasue he killed his child.

 

 

Wez, I was not making an attack on you, I was simply giving examples, nothing more. I was talking to IWS and was just posting the first two examples I could think of that were people being attacked on a personal level but still on topic of the discussion.

 

 

I promised to try and be more careful about what I post and I meant that promise. If you were truly hurt by my comment I honestly say I am sorry.

[wez]

Wez, I was not making an attack on you, I was simply giving examples, nothing more. I was talking to IWS and was just posting the first two examples I could think of that were people being attacked on a personal level but still on topic of the discussion.

 

 

I promised to try and be more careful about what I post and I meant that promise. If you were truly hurt by my comment I honestly say I am sorry.

 

 

And calling someone a killer in your mind is what type of attack conducive to discussion? And assuming I called you a liberal when I said "welcome to the liberal party" after agreeing with you on a major defining political point was a type 2 attack? Please explain those again.. I'm not getting it..

 

I wasn't hurt.. you get hurt.

 

"What about calling wez a killer because he killed his child" is an example of what? Hahahahahahaha

 

 

Can we name this thread wez vs. eddo and the TJ express?

 

^^ Personal attack.. demerit 3.. yay me.

 

I give an example and I agree with you = type 2 (bad) attack?

 

You call me a killer because I killed my child = type 1 (good) attack?

[wez]

 

Heck, Feckless even made the vote to bring you back a public vote. You were most certainly handled publicly, and when that failed to work, it went private. All handling things publicly did was give you more ammo as to who was not happy with you.

 

 

 

Hahahahaha... I was already banned a month and couldn't respond.. Good one. Some trial..

 

 

Now publically tell how many comments I made on the public vote thread or even was allowed back to say one word on my defense.. or any thread since last August with all the ammo I obtained.. Hahahaha Where are ya eddo?

[timesjoke]

And calling someone a killer in your mind is what type of attack conducive to discussion?

 

Killer-One that kills (killer - definition of killer by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.)

Killer-one that kills (Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online)

 

While I was not talking to you, what I said cannot be considered an attack because it is simply a statement of fact being as you have already admitted to killing your child, in fact, I fit that same description because I have killed someone as well.

 

Being a killer is not bad or good in and of itself.

 

 

And assuming I called you a liberal when I said "welcome to the liberal party" after agreeing with you on a major defining political point was a type 2 attack? Please explain those again.. I'm not getting it..

 

 

I will gladly explain this to you again.

 

Let me give you an example:

 

"I am a liberal..........not"

 

Many times people will be a smart butt and pretend to agree with someone to simply add an insult at the end. One must look at the entire sentence or paragraph to try and figure out what is being said, and even then, sometimes there can be a lot of gray area so then we must look to what we know of people to try and fill in the blanks of what was being said.

 

 

In my opinion, you tend to be very smart mouthed so I view your posts in that light most of the time to fill in the blanks. You are also very negative tword me (as I am with you) so again, this trend helps to fill in the blanks.

 

 

 

 

I wasn't hurt.. you get hurt.

 

You cannot hurt me Wez, but you can and have irritated me.

 

 

As I have said many times, you have some very good points on issues sometimes but you feel a need to add "extras" to your posts that ruin your possitions. If you could learn to drop the "extras" and stay with your good points, I believe you would be a great forum member.

 

Your passonate and active. You have stong opinions.

 

Your only flaw is to try and tear apart anyone who does not agree with you in any way you can possibly think of. Sometimes this takes the form of lies, sometimes you attack people on a personal level. sometimes you use childish "I'm not you" posts, sometimes you even do it just to disrupt a discussion without any real obvious point other than to get attention.

 

 

 

Now, you may or may not see some of this as a personal attack but it is all me trying to be honest with you and even trying to help you.

 

I have added to the issue of the bickering on the forum because the day to day moderating tended to give you a pass and I felt someone had to stand up to you but now that there is some writing on the wall that your kind of posting is going to be addressed, I am going to try very hard to not bicker or fight with you.

 

 

 

Up to now, this forum has been like the old saying:

 

"I went to a fight and a hocky game started."

 

We were fighting more than discussing things and an honest debate was rare. If there is now a concern to stop the bickering, I want to do my part to support this concern.

[wez]

Killer-One that kills (killer - definition of killer by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.)

Killer-one that kills (Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online)

 

While I was not talking to you, what I said cannot be considered an attack because it is simply a statement of fact being as you have already admitted to killing your child, in fact, I fit that same description because I have killed someone as well.

 

Being a killer is not bad or good in and of itself.

 

 

 

 

 

I will gladly explain this to you again.

 

Let me give you an example:

 

"I am a liberal..........not"

 

Many times people will be a smart butt and pretend to agree with someone to simply add an insult at the end. One must look at the entire sentence or paragraph to try and figure out what is being said, and even then, sometimes there can be a lot of gray area so then we must look to what we know of people to try and fill in the blanks of what was being said.

 

 

In my opinion, you tend to be very smart mouthed so I view your posts in that light most of the time to fill in the blanks. You are also very negative tword me (as I am with you) so again, this trend helps to fill in the blanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You cannot hurt me Wez, but you can and have irritated me.

 

 

As I have said many times, you have some very good points on issues sometimes but you feel a need to add "extras" to your posts that ruin your possitions. If you could learn to drop the "extras" and stay with your good points, I believe you would be a great forum member.

 

Your passonate and active. You have stong opinions.

 

Your only flaw is to try and tear apart anyone who does not agree with you in any way you can possibly think of. Sometimes this takes the form of lies, sometimes you attack people on a personal level. sometimes you use childish "I'm not you" posts, sometimes you even do it just to disrupt a discussion without any real obvious point other than to get attention.

 

 

 

Now, you may or may not see some of this as a personal attack but it is all me trying to be honest with you and even trying to help you.

 

I have added to the issue of the bickering on the forum because the day to day moderating tended to give you a pass and I felt someone had to stand up to you but now that there is some writing on the wall that your kind of posting is going to be addressed, I am going to try very hard to not bicker or fight with you.

 

 

 

Up to now, this forum has been like the old saying:

 

"I went to a fight and a hocky game started."

 

We were fighting more than discussing things and an honest debate was rare. If there is now a concern to stop the bickering, I want to do my part to support this concern.

 

 

So it's ok if I call you a hypocrite? Since you are one?

 

By the way, never had a child to kill.. My girlfriend and I decided to terminate a pregnancy in the first 6 weeks... On the other hand, you killed a man as a cop, killer.

 

 

Now explain to me how a 6 week old fetus in my girlfriends uterus is apples and your victim was oranges that gives you the right to judge, label, and look down on me for being what you are..

[timesjoke]

So it's ok if I call you a hypocrite? Since you are one?

 

My example was quoting your own words, you said you killed your child, I never said I was a hypocrite.

 

 

Calling me a hypocrite without my admission/permission first most likely would be considered a personal attack based on the new rules.

 

By the way, never had a child to kill.. My girlfriend and I decided to terminate a pregnancy in the first 6 weeks... On the other hand, you killed a man as a cop, killer.

 

Still a child, but yes, I already agreed we are both killers, just for different reasons.

 

Now explain to me how a 6 week old fetus in my girlfriends uterus is apples and your victim was oranges that gives you the right to judge, label, and look down on me for being what you are..

 

I simply repeated your own admission for killing your child, there was no judgement in my comment.

 

I did include a judgement in the abortion thread, but not here or the new rule thread.

[eddo]

Oh God' date=' not again..... sigh [/quote"']My sentiments exactly!

It was my intent to have a very civil conversation, and I thought we were. I see things have changed a bit since I left...

 

 

Except for this...

I dunno. I do think "intent" is a very hard thing to prove online, and that is going to be a hard concept for many of us to get behind. Like when you called TJ a liberal. I know your style, so I knew right away that it was a slam.

Didn't you ask me 2 days ago what was so bad about being called a liberal? Please explain...

I asked you personally what was so bad about being called a liberal when your views so closely align with liberals. I don't understand why you are asking for clarification of that...

 

 

Hahahahaha... I was already banned a month and couldn't respond.. Good one. Some trial..

Now publically tell how many comments I made on the public vote thread or even was allowed back to say one word on my defense.. or any thread since last August with all the ammo I obtained.. Hahahaha Where are ya eddo?

None. Perhaps that was a bad example, but it was public, and it involved you. Only a couple things came right to mind regarding that, and that was one of them.

 

 

 

 

I apologize to all. I thought this was going to be decent and civilized, but I was wrong- it has turned into the same old crap post filled of "hypocrites," non-listening, and bickering.

[timesjoke]

Eddo, your right, I attempted to just tell Wez I never intended to attack him but as usual, he just twists everything to get an arguement.

 

Wez, again, I never intended to offend or attack you, take it or leave it, I am very much wanting to end this mess.

[wez]

Eddo, your right, I attempted to just tell Wez I never intended to attack him but as usual, he just twists everything to get an arguement.

 

Wez, again, I never intended to offend or attack you, take it or leave it, I am very much wanting to end this mess.

 

Kay killer... no problem.

[snafu]

...And assuming I called you a liberal when I said "welcome to the liberal party" after agreeing with you on a major defining political point was a type 2 attack? Please explain those again.. I'm not getting it..

 

...

 

And that's why I started the Are you a liberal thread. To show everybody that there's a little liberal in everybody. Well Almost everybody. Brotherman aced it without any liberalism in him.

[wez]

It was my itent to have a very civil conversation, and I thought we were. I see things have changed a bit since I left...

 

Nothings changed...

 

 

 

I asked what was so bad about being called a liberal when your views so closely align with liberals. I don't understand why you are asking for clarification of that...

 

The point is, why ask me? I've been called a liberal for 6 months.. what happened this time? Me agreeing with TJ on one of the, if not the major defining political point?

 

What was so bad about.. "welcome to the liberal party" that you think TJ needs your validation? Or do you need his?

 

 

None. Perhaps that was a bad example, but it was public, and it involved you. Only a couple things came right to mind regarding that, and that was one of them.

 

Thanks for telling the truth, you know I always appreciate it.

 

 

 

 

I apologize to all. I thought this was going to be decent and civilized, but I was wrong- it has turned into the same old crap post filled of "hypocrites," non-listening, and bickering.

 

 

If you pretend something doesn't exist, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I thought you went to church and like to save people? I noticed some comments at TJ concerning JW's? Why do you want to try to claim this post has degenerated into something it's not? So you can bail and save face?

[snafu]

In TJ's behalf I did say people acepting abortion as an altrenitive was a murder in my eyes so nobody really pointed any fingers. I think a lot of people drew the same conclusion.

[wez]

My example was quoting your own words, you said you killed your child, I never said I was a hypocrite.

Calling me a hypocrite without my admission/permission first most likely would be considered a personal attack based on the new rules.

 

 

 

I never called myself a killer.. You didn't need to call yourself a hypocrite to be one..

[eddo]

The point is, why ask me? I've been called a liberal for 6 months.. what happened this time? Me agreeing with TJ on one of the, if not the major defining political point?

 

because that was after you used it as a slam, showing that it obviously bothered you. I was curious, so I asked.

 

What was so bad about.. "welcome to the liberal party" that you think TJ needs your validation? Or do you need his?

Huh??

 

If you pretend something doesn't exist, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I thought you went to church and like to save people? I noticed some comments at TJ concerning JW's? Why do you want to try to claim this post has degenerated into something it's not? So you can bail and save face?

What does a post about missionaries and/or Jehovah Witnesses at another site have to do with any of this?

[ImWithStupid]

Quote:Originally Posted by wez

...And assuming I called you a liberal when I said "welcome to the liberal party" after agreeing with you on a major defining political point was a type 2 attack? Please explain those again.. I'm not getting it..

 

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And that's why I started the Are you a liberal thread. To show everybody that there's a little liberal in everybody. Well Almost everybody. Brotherman aced it without any liberalism in him.

 

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how calling someone a liberal is a personal attack at all.

 

A while back in a thread, wez called me a pinky commie and said that I should move to China.

 

I didn't take it personal and stated my view on things that refuted the comment. I know my position, who cares what someone else thinks.

[wez]

In TJ's behalf I did say people acepting abortion as an altrenitive was a murder in my eyes so nobody really pointed any fingers. I think a lot of people drew the same conclusion.

 

 

Didn't really raise much fuss about it either snaf.. didn't bother me. Didn't bother me when TJ thought he'd slip it in on the rules thread either..

 

 

What is ok for you to do to another human being is ok for every other human being to do to you ~ wez

[wez]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how calling someone a liberal is a personal attack at all.

 

A while back in a thread, wez called me a pinky commie and said that I should move to China.

 

Hahahahaha... I got called France for running at the sound of a firecracker and used it for my signature.. I thought it was a riot.

 

As I recall.. so did TJ.

 

 

I didn't take it personal and stated my view on things that refuted the comment. I know my position, who cares what someone else thinks.

 

 

exactly..

 

 

 

 

And for the last time, (prolly not).. I didn't even call TJ a liberal. I agreed with him.

[eddo]

I didn't even call TJ a liberal. I agreed with him.

 

Perhaps you could apologize to him for the confusion, as he did regarding the confusion of the killer comment...

[snafu]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how calling someone a liberal is a personal attack at all.

 

A while back in a thread, wez called me a pinky commie and said that I should move to China.

 

I didn't take it personal and stated my view on things that refuted the comment. I know my position, who cares what someone else thinks.

 

Yeah lol pinkie commie. It's all bull . I don't think wez can say it enough. He AGREED with TJ and made a cute comment. If we have to bicker over like that it won't be no fun at all around here. WE NEED SARCASM!