timesjoke Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 A middleschool teacher get only 6 years for molesting 5 boys: FOXNews.com - S.C. Teacher Sentenced to 6 Years for Sex Acts With 5 Boys - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News Do you think a man doing the same thing would get this kind of understanding: Forensic psychiatrist Donna Schwartz-Watts said Ward is not a pedophile, but rather a childlike victim suffering from personality disorders and a repressed childhood. Schwartz-Watts said the minister's daughter lived a sheltered life but really was a "free spirit" who never got a chance to break away from her family. "It's an awful case with awful consequences, but Allenna Ward is not an awful woman," Hocker said in court. He declined to speak to a reporter after the hearing. Stories like this piss me off because crimes against males are treated as insignificant, not worth the time of society to even care. Quote
wez Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Was this the blonde woman I saw on the news tonight? She was a kindergarten teacher? Hard to say, I think a lot of men get off easy for this crap too.. cept for the other men in prison.. if they find out someones in for crimes against children, they better look out. A lot of em end up in protective custody wings.. I love Lock up on msnbc. Quote
eddo Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Stories like this piss me off because crimes against males are treated as insignificant, not worth the time of society to even care. I completely agree. There is a serious double standard at play. Quote I'm trusted by more women.
hugo Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Somehow, I believe if a woman had molested me when I was 14 it would have done me little harm. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
wez Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Somehow, I believe if a woman had molested me when I was 14 it would have done me little harm. I thought that was every 14 year old boys secret fantasy.. Quote
snafu Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Somehow, I believe if a woman had molested me when I was 14 it would have done me little harm. I hear ya. I know its a double standard but I wish I was molested back then. It would've saved me a sock or two. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
hugo Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 I thought that was every 14 year old boys secret fantasy.. I still occasionally think about Miss Fiorino my home room teacher in 9th grade. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
timesjoke Posted February 20, 2008 Author Posted February 20, 2008 Somehow, I believe if a woman had molested me when I was 14 it would have done me little harm. Our laws are either equal or their not. The "potential" of harm is the same for any person, reguardless of sex. Yes, boys are "supposed" to be tough or sexual machines but they are still children. Quote
snafu Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 Our laws are either equal or their not. The "potential" of harm is the same for any person, reguardless of sex. Yes, boys are "supposed" to be tough or sexual machines but they are still children. Weren?t your hormones running rampit when you were 14? And I remember having a major crush on my english teacher. I guess that might have been the problem though. Having sex with her and then her letting go later. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
timesjoke Posted February 21, 2008 Author Posted February 21, 2008 Weren?t your hormones running rampit when you were 14? And I remember having a major crush on my english teacher. I guess that might have been the problem though. Having sex with her and then her letting go later. Believe me, girls have hormones going crazy also. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 My thing is that the teen might have raging hormones, but the adult, whether male or female, should be the one held accountable. Equally. Quote
wez Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 My thing is that the teen might have raging hormones, but the adult, whether male or female, should be the one held accountable. Equally. I think they are for the most part, under the law.. It's the public perception that's wacked.. A lot of men get off with less than 6 years I'm afraid. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 I think they are for the most part, under the law.. It's the public perception that's wacked.. A lot of men get off with less than 6 years I'm afraid. I don't think too many men would get off this light for molesting 5 girls. Maybe a couple, but if a man was to be caught molesting 5 girls, he would get at least 12 to 15 years. IMO Quote
wez Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 I don't think too many men would get off this light for molesting 5 girls. Maybe a couple, but if a man was to be caught molesting 5 girls, he would get at least 12 to 15 years. IMO Wow.. I didn't know it was 5... but then again.. some men a step daughter over and over for years on end.. Some men have gotten off that light I'm sure. Without knowing the law and the case like the back of ones hand, it's hard to say what they took into account with her. Parents were like some prominent something, weren't they? In a church maybe? Quote
ImWithStupid Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 Wow.. I didn't know it was 5... but then again.. some men a step daughter over and over for years on end.. Some men have gotten off that light I'm sure. Without knowing the law and the case like the back of ones hand, it's hard to say what they took into account with her. Parents were like some prominent something, weren't they? In a church maybe? We have had some of these step dad, step daughter situations locally, and I think they have gotten at least 10 years, even after a plea bargain, and my county is notorious for light sentences, but it seems with the cases that involve children as victims they are a bit more strict. As they should be. Quote
wez Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 We have had some of these step dad, step daughter situations locally, and I think they have gotten at least 10 years, even after a plea bargain, and my county is notorious for light sentences, but it seems with the cases that involve children as victims they are a bit more strict. As they should be. Totally agree.. penalties should be in step. I'm just not convinced they're not. I don't have enough info to make up my mind on that.. Men do tend to be harder on men than women for just about anything though.. Quote
timesjoke Posted February 21, 2008 Author Posted February 21, 2008 I think they are for the most part, under the law.. It's the public perception that's wacked.. A lot of men get off with less than 6 years I'm afraid. While you may find a rare case here and there of men getting a light penalty, that would be the exception, not the rule. Women get much lighter sentences than men for the same and worse crimes than men by a very large margin. I can give examples: When Etta Ann Urdiales was murdered in Colorado, two completely different juries convicted two different people of the crime. Both juries believed there was only one murderer. One convicted Bobbie Hogan, a woman. The other convicted Jess Jacobs, a man. She got 10 years in prison. He was put to death. Gender is a deciding factor for everything including the decision to charge a person with a crime or not. There have been many studies done to show that many women are not even charged for crimes that a man would be sent to prison for. Interesting reading: ftp://repec.iza.org/RePEc/Discussionpaper/dp2870.pdf Besides gender, we find evidence that judges took into account factors such as family circumstances which are expressly prohibited from consideration when awarding sentences. It is a long read at the beginning but you can go to the end for the data tables, yes they are a few years old but they wanted to use numbers that were still being effected by the mandate for equal sentences, interesting that while there was a rule to give equal sentences, the judges did not follow the rule so how do you think their doing now without the rule? Quote
hugo Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 THE AGE OF CONSENT SHOULD BE LOWERED TO 14. DAD'S SHOTGUN, AND PROPER PARENTING, SHOULD KEEP SEXUAL AGGRESSORS AWAY FROM 15 YEAR OLD SUZIE. Damn caps lock. Is is time government gets out of the nanny business. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
timesjoke Posted February 21, 2008 Author Posted February 21, 2008 Is is time government gets out of the nanny business. I agree completely, but "if" they are going to get involved, the least they can do is be consistant and not say crimes against young boys are not as severe as the same crime against young girls. Quote
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