women more violent than men?

[timesjoke]

That's a bunch of crap. What does "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" add to the topic?

 

If it didn't interest you, you didn't need to reply. Do you do this to every thread that doesn't interest you? I will have to check and see if you have replied to every thread ever made, if so, I appologize.

 

For the record, I did not post "zzzzzzzzzzzzzz" anywhere on the forum (well just now I did but not before). I simply said I agreed with Eddo, so now I guess it is bad to agree with othere with whom I agree with?

 

 

I'm sure this jab was necessary to get your point across too...

 

Yes it was.

 

 

I suppose you were talking about your butcher.

 

No I was talking about Wez, and it was not an attack on him but a direct point being made to show how a person with good ideas can spoil those same ideas by taking things to extremes.

 

I knew many did not have the ability to look past what looks like a personal attack to see the valid point I was making so I did not name Wez, as is evident by your own lack of understanding of my post.

 

I did not in any way intend to demean or belittle Wez. I have openly told Wez that I believe he has some very good points sometimes but that it was the "extras" he includes that ruins our ability to take him seriously.

 

 

You and eddo pushed for a nanny to watch the forum to make sure everything that is posted adds to the debate. And before you go off on a "your picking on me and sticking up for wez" pouting bout, I have been editing several peoples posts, for unnecessary content, including wez'.

 

And yet you leave his post calling me a lier in place, right.

 

Keep up the great work.

[wez]

For the record, I did not post "zzzzzzzzzzzzzz" anywhere on the forum (well just now I did but not before). I simply said I agreed with Eddo, so now I guess it is bad to agree with othere with whom I agree with?

 

 

 

 

Yes it was.

 

 

 

 

No I was talking about Wez, and it was not an attack on him but a direct point being made to show how a person with good ideas can spoil those same ideas by taking things to extremes.

 

I knew many did not have the ability to look past what looks like a personal attack to see the valid point I was making so I did not name Wez, as is evident by your own lack of understanding of my post.

 

I did not in any way intend to demean or belittle Wez. I have openly told Wez that I believe he has some very good points sometimes but that it was the "extras" he includes that ruins our ability to take him seriously.

 

 

 

 

And yet you leave his post calling me a lier in place, right.

 

Keep up the great work.

 

 

You're sick in the head... and so is your bitch brigade.

[timesjoke]

You're sick in the head... and so is your bitch brigade.

 

My point exactly.

[timesjoke]

I'd say this goes back to the poor legal representation. The original ruling should have been appealed. If his attorney knew of the "significant change of circumstances" law exsists, he should have advised for the appeal at that time, if the attorney did advise the guy, it looks like he missed the boat and better contact his state representative to change the law, try to get his kids made state wards, and hope they get placed with him or accept the way things are.

 

Divorce is a bad deal all around and while we are in the middle of it, sometimes we are not thinking in logical ways. At the time of his original divorce, he was so completely devistated his only concern was to get everything over with as fast as possible.

 

This is one of my reason for not allowing abortion, it is difficult to see things clearly when your looking through glass stainded with emotions.

 

 

 

Child support and custody are two different things, but I do know of some of these stupid laws. Until about 7 years ago, here in Nebraska, if your wife gets pregnant while you are married, regardless of who science proves to be the actual father, in the eyes of the state, it's your kid. I knew a few people who's wives cheated on them, got pregnant from their lover, the lover's name was placed on the birth certificate, but a few years later when they got divorced, even though DNA proved it wasn't his biological child, he had to pay child support. Like I said, I know first hand of the gender bias. I was on the short end of it myself. I just think that they guy in your scenerio didn't exhaust all of his options, or failed to take action when it was needed.

 

 

My point is why must there be a time limit on doing what is right?

 

 

Depression is a common effect from divorce and many never find their path out of that depression. Depression can effect judgement and the courts should not simply close their ears from hearing the truth just because the truth came past some artificial deadline.

 

 

They claim they do not end child support payments in cases proven the man is not the father to do what is best for the child, not the wrongly treated man, so why not use the same logic in cases like this where the original order did not properly consider the best interest of the child and should be looked into again?

[ImWithStupid]

Divorce is a bad deal all around and while we are in the middle of it, sometimes we are not thinking in logical ways. At the time of his original divorce, he was so completely devistated his only concern was to get everything over with as fast as possible.

 

This is one of my reason for not allowing abortion, it is difficult to see things clearly when your looking through glass stainded with emotions.

 

Unfortunately the "wanting it to be over as fast as possible" mentality is all too common and usually happens to the father/husband. It's been proven that men don't go through the grieving process as fast as women. I think that is part of why this happens. The man is still grieving and hadn't been able to accept the situation until after the legal process is over. In the back of their minds, most men are still hoping to salvage the relationship, while she has already moved on to the "get all you can" mentality. (the gender bias just makes all this worse)

 

My point is why must there be a time limit on doing what is right?

 

 

Depression is a common effect from divorce and many never find their path out of that depression. Depression can effect judgement and the courts should not simply close their ears from hearing the truth just because the truth came past some artificial deadline.

 

 

They claim they do not end child support payments in cases proven the man is not the father to do what is best for the child, not the wrongly treated man, so why not use the same logic in cases like this where the original order did not properly consider the best interest of the child and should be looked into again?

 

I agree with you on this. That is why I put in the option of contacting and lobbying state representatives to the legislature. If the lawmakers aren't aware of the holes/innequalities of the current laws they will have no reason to change them.

[timesjoke]

Unfortunately the "wanting it to be over as fast as possible" mentality is all too common and usually happens to the father/husband. It's been proven that men don't go through the grieving process as fast as women. I think that is part of why this happens. The man is still grieving and hadn't been able to accept the situation until after the legal process is over. In the back of their minds, most men are still hoping to salvage the relationship, while she has already moved on to the "get all you can" mentality. (the gender bias just makes all this worse)

 

So the time restriction favors women, and being as the women are also the only ones who know if they ever fooled around or not, that puts the man at a very bad place during the most difficult emotional state he can imagine.

 

 

I think part of the child support process should require a DNA test be performed, that way nobody gets taken edvantage of and everyone knows they are operating without doubts.

 

 

I agree with you on this. That is why I put in the option of contacting and lobbying state representatives to the legislature. If the lawmakers aren't aware of the holes/innequalities of the current laws they will have no reason to change them.

 

They know, I can tell you Florida law makers know what is going on, I have been involved in several information pushes to law makers on cases like the one I posted with the child support being paid for kids that are not his.

 

The problem is if they suddenly allowed DNA evidence to be offered at any time to stop a man from paying for kids that are not his, a very large number of women would suddenly stop getting their payments, and then the state would have to support them.

 

 

Did you know most states still allow a man to be named as the father of a child without him ever being in a court room? All they have to do is send a notice to your last known address (could be some abuse there as well) of the hearing and if you do not show, they default you as the father. One year later, you lose the right to appeal so all the woman has to do it not push for child support until the year is up and then the man is stuck paying for a kid he never made.

[atlantic]

Well, certainly women have changed a lot in the areas of morals and taking care of children from when I was young. Women were the rocks that tought the kids and kept the homes safe and secure for raising children. Most importantly, they showed by example what was right and wrong.

 

These days, women seem to be doing everything in their power to show they can out do men in every way, and being immoral and selfish is taking the top of the list on their agenda.

 

 

 

 

I do keep a record of things but like I said, she could beat the kids with a belt every day and the court would not care. In most states, it is almost impossible to get custody of kids away from mothers because of the old and very outdated notion that women are genetically better parents.

 

I know a man who has tried to get custody of his kids several times and has proof their mother is a drug addict (busted on possession charges several times, over 12 failed drug screenings during her time on probation, neighbors calling children's services while she was stoned out of her mind passed out in her front yard, etc...) and every time they get to court, she just tells the judge that her kids are the only thing keeping her alive so the judge refuses to take custody away from her.

That is sickening. I've seen it to though. I am the only stay at home mom where I live, I am the only mother who is always with her child outside, and the only mother that is at the bustop everyday. Some of the kids where I live will show up on days when it's downpouring with no coats on. Their mom's are prescription drug-addicts (seems to be the new rave). These bitches don't leave their beds, and when they do, they are so out of it that I have to think why did you bother. I watch their children for them all the time. I play ice hockey with them, basketball, ride bikes, take them places, not once have they ever been there. I do this because I'm outside anyways, and my son plays with these other kids, but it makes me sick. I also notice they never have breakfast, lunch, and dinner times either. I hate irresponsible mothers , and feel bad for good dads who have no rights.

[snafu]

...I hate irresponsible mothers , and feel bad for good dads who have no rights.

 

I'd like to go out and bitch slap the the whole lot. Oh wait thats to violent.. never mind.

[atlantic]

I'd like to go out and bitch slap the the whole lot. Oh wait thats to violent.. never mind.

Hey have you been tapping my phone - lol

[timesjoke]

That is sickening. I've seen it to though. I am the only stay at home mom where I live, I am the only mother who is always with her child outside, and the only mother that is at the bustop everyday. Some of the kids where I live will show up on days when it's downpouring with no coats on. Their mom's are prescription drug-addicts (seems to be the new rave). These bitches don't leave their beds, and when they do, they are so out of it that I have to think why did you bother. I watch their children for them all the time. I play ice hockey with them, basketball, ride bikes, take them places, not once have they ever been there. I do this because I'm outside anyways, and my son plays with these other kids, but it makes me sick. I also notice they never have breakfast, lunch, and dinner times either. I hate irresponsible mothers , and feel bad for good dads who have no rights.

 

 

Well, I know your where your comming from, I turned about 2 acres of my back yard into a playground with 7 wooden swingsets (ever see the swing-in-slide sets) a huge sand pit, and all the extras so all the kids want to play at my house and I know where my kids are

 

 

Lunchtimes are the only down side because I will never give to my kids and not other kids visiting so all are included and get what my kids get.

[atlantic]

Well, I know your where your comming from, I turned about 2 acres of my back yard into a playground with 7 wooden swingsets (ever see the swing-in-slide sets) a huge sand pit, and all the extras so all the kids want to play at my house and I know where my kids are

 

 

Lunchtimes are the only down side because I will never give to my kids and not other kids visiting so all are included and get what my kids get.

Sounds like a perfect set-up. I got Mr. Bustop next door, 2 miles of woods in my back yard, a water runoff area (which we do use for ice hockey), and some new construction sites that I have to keep them out of (lol). I feed all the other kids too.

[ImWithStupid]

Sounds like a perfect set-up. I got Mr. Bustop next door, 2 miles of woods in my back yard, a water runoff area (which we do use for ice hockey), and some new construction sites that I have to keep them out of (lol). I feed all the other kids too.

 

Excuse my change of topic, but how has Mr. Bustop been lately? Is he still up to his possible predatory behavior?

[timesjoke]

Excuse my change of topic, but how has Mr. Bustop been lately? Is he still up to his possible predatory behavior?

 

 

Not with an armed parent watching, at least that is how it works where I live.

[atlantic]

Excuse my change of topic, but how has Mr. Bustop been lately? Is he still up to his possible predatory behavior?

 

Mr. Bustop has only been seen by me twice, and I live outside practically. He did cut his hair so much that it totally changed his appearance, his ducktoe walk is a dead giveaway however. Timesjoke is right I think. All the parents here tell me all the time that they don't worry about their kids because they know I'm here. So I'm guessing he sees me too. I worry about the kids whose moms let them wonder alone outside late at night by themselves though. The stupid presciption drug addicted ones I mentioned on the other post, I can't protect them all, all the time.

 

He may also just be visiting a relative in that bldg. occasionally. I haven't seen the one person I know who lives in that bldg. who happens to be a cop, but as soon as I do I'm gonna ask him to find out what he can.

[timesjoke]

Mr. Bustop has only been seen by me twice, and I live outside practically. He did cut his hair so much that it totally changed his appearance, his ducktoe walk is a dead giveaway however. Timesjoke is right I think. All the parents here tell me all the time that they don't worry about their kids because they know I'm here.

 

My town had a very horrible loss to Ted Bundy, some of you may have heard of him. The little girl he killed was a friend of my family (her mom and my mom were good friends and we played together many times).

 

Even the lazy parents here tend to get hostile if you even hint at a child predator being around. The cops here take every step possible to check out anyone who is reported to be watching kids. Many get very clear requests to leave town on their own or be removed.

 

 

So I'm guessing he sees me too. I worry about the kids whose moms let them wonder alone outside late at night by themselves though. The stupid presciption drug addicted ones I mentioned on the other post, I can't protect them all, all the time.

 

Believe me, if he is what you fear, he knows you very well and if he wants to do something bad, he will wait for a time or place when your not around.

 

You can't protect them all, this is true, and you will go crazy trying. Do what you can and go from there.

 

He may also just be visiting a relative in that bldg. occasionally. I haven't seen the one person I know who lives in that bldg. who happens to be a cop, but as soon as I do I'm gonna ask him to find out what he can.

 

Sometimes the direct method works the best. Anyone I don't know that I have questions about I walk right up to them, look them in the eye, put out my hand and introduce myself. I put out a friendly tone but leave no doubt in their minds that I am checking them out.

 

I will talk to them a little and if I get any bad feelings about them I will go into my "I teach firearm safety" routine that includes me showing them the gun I always carry. I will stay friendly and invite them to my home to target shoot at my private shooting range. For some reason, those that I get bad feelings from never seem to hang around anymore.........I have no idea why.

 

[atlantic]

My town had a very horrible loss to Ted Bundy, some of you may have heard of him. The little girl he killed was a friend of my family (her mom and my mom were good friends and we played together many times).

 

Even the lazy parents here tend to get hostile if you even hint at a child predator being around. The cops here take every step possible to check out anyone who is reported to be watching kids. Many get very clear requests to leave town on their own or be removed.

 

 

 

Believe me, if he is what you fear, he knows you very well and if he wants to do something bad, he will wait for a time or place when your not around.

 

 

 

 

You can't protect them all, this is true, and you will go crazy trying. Do what you can and go from there.

 

 

 

Sometimes the direct method works the best. Anyone I don't know that I have questions about I walk right up to them, look them in the eye, put out my hand and introduce myself. I put out a friendly tone but leave no doubt in their minds that I am checking them out.

 

 

I will talk to them a little and if I get any bad feelings about them I will go into my "I teach firearm safety" routine that includes me showing them the gun I always carry. I will stay friendly and invite them to my home to target shoot at my private shooting range. For some reason, those that I get bad feelings from never seem to hang around anymore.........I have no idea why.

 

 

I tried having a neighbor speak with him, and my neighbor was friendly, and the man walked away from him without answering.

 

He may be watching me and if he is, he has learned that I am always outside with my son, my son is never alone. I'm sure then he's seen that I keep an aluminum baseball bat in the trunk of my car, the other weapons I carry.

 

 

I like how you handle things but I would never invite him to my home, with my luck he'd show up.

[snafu]

My town had a very horrible loss to Ted Bundy, some of you may have heard of him. The little girl he killed was a friend of my family (her mom and my mom were good friends and we played together many times).

 

 

Ted Bundy killed a friend of mine's sister too. She was going to collage in Seattle. Her name was Susan Rancourt. Stacy and Samantha were living up here with thier parents at the time. Yeah I remember when she was just a missing person and it was very hard for the family.

[hugo]

---------------- Victims Offenders

-------------- Male Female Male Female

All homicides 76.5% 23.5% 88.8% 11.2%

 

Males are 8 times more likely to commit homicides. Males are much more violent. It's biology combined with greater economic pressures on males.

[timesjoke]

I tried having a neighbor speak with him, and my neighbor was friendly, and the man walked away from him without answering.

 

Then you keep doing it over and over.

 

If the guy refuses to even reply when you introduce yourself he obviously has an issue of some sort. His walking away would have me being more and more persistant.

 

 

He may be watching me and if he is, he has learned that I am always outside with my son, my son is never alone. I'm sure then he's seen that I keep an aluminum baseball bat in the trunk of my car, the other weapons I carry.

 

Sadly it is not your kid I am concerned about. While he knows your child is well taken care of, he now knows what kids are not well taken care of.

 

 

I like how you handle things but I would never invite him to my home, with my luck he'd show up.

 

Nobody said he was going to leave, at least not under his own power

 

Clearly I offer the time at my range as a warning that I am not just armed, but well trained in the use of firearms. It is a clear and direct threat to anyone who has bad intentions.

 

 

Ted Bundy killed a friend of mine's sister too. She was going to collage in Seattle. Her name was Susan Rancourt. Stacy and Samantha were living up here with thier parents at the time. Yeah I remember when she was just a missing person and it was very hard for the family.

 

His last victim was my friend, her name was Kimberly Leach and was 12 years old at the time. Killing her was not the worse thing he had done to her.

 

 

 

I can tell you this, if I catch someone like that, they will never see a courtroom.

[ImWithStupid]

---------------- Victims Offenders

-------------- Male Female Male Female

All homicides 76.5% 23.5% 88.8% 11.2%

 

Males are 8 times more likely to commit homicides. Males are much more violent. It's biology combined with greater economic pressures on males.

This stat doesn't really prove anything. Just because men are more likely to murder someone, doesn't necessarily mean they are overall, more violent. Homicides are a small percentage of acts of violence.

[hugo]

This stat doesn't really prove anything. Just because men are more likely to murder someone, doesn't necessarily mean they are overall, more violent. Homicides are a small percentage of acts of violence.

 

 

Homicides are the peak of the triangle, would you like statistics on assault? You will find the same pattern. Any group that commits 8 times more homicide is more violent than the group it is being compared with.

[ImWithStupid]

Homicides are the peak of the triangle, would you like statistics on assault? You will find the same pattern. Any group that commits 8 times more homicide is more violent than the group it is being compared with.

 

The problem with stats on this is that, men are unlikely to report incidents of violence committed on them by a woman. An act of violence could something so benign as a wife/girlfriend throwing something at a guy for a comment, or not listening to them or whatever all the way up to murder. There couldn't possibly be any accurate stats on this topic, only stats of reported incidences.

 

I'm not saying women are more violent, I'm just saying any statistical data on this is flawed as to it's reliability.

[hugo]

The problem with stats on this is that, men are unlikely to report incidents of violence committed on them by a woman. An act of violence could something so benign as a wife/girlfriend throwing something at a guy for a comment, or not listening to them or whatever all the way up to murder. There couldn't possibly be any accurate stats on this topic, only stats of reported incidences.

 

I'm not saying women are more violent, I'm just saying any statistical data on this is flawed as to it's reliability.

 

 

That is why I used homicide. Homicides tend to be close to 100% reported. Any first year biology student can tell you about testerones relationship to aggression. To argue women are more violent goes against any statistic you can find and basic biology.

[ImWithStupid]

That is why I used homicide. Homicides tend to be close to 100% reported. Any first year biology student can tell you about testerones relationship to aggression. To argue women are more violent goes against any statistic you can find and basic biology.

 

Just because testosterone can cause more aggression doesn't mean that it is acted upon with violence. I think we all have had times where we would really like to respond to a woman with violence, but don't because, reason and societal values, override the aggression.

[hugo]

Just because testosterone can cause more aggression doesn't mean that it is acted upon with violence. I think we all have had times where we would really like to respond to a woman with violence, but don't because, reason and societal values, override the aggression.

 

 

The fact is there is a positive correlation between high testerone levels and violence.