women more violent than men?

[ImWithStupid]

The fact is there is a positive correlation between high testerone levels and violence.

 

It's a fact that depression is one of the biggest factors in suicides. It's a fact that women are about twice as likely to suffer from depression then men, but suicide victims are twice as likely to be men. This goes against what would be expected, due to other variables.

 

Just because men have more testosterone, and testosterone is connected to aggression, doesn't mean that there aren't outside variables that override the response of violence.

[wez]

It's a fact that depression is one of the biggest factors in suicides. It's a fact that women are about twice as likely to suffer from depression then men, but suicide victims are twice as likely to be men. This goes against what would be expected, due to other variables.

 

Just because men have more testosterone, and testosterone is connected to aggression, doesn't mean that there aren't outside variables that override the response of violence.

 

Prolly due to mens more violent nature that they succeed at suicide way more often..

 

But women can be pretty damn violent too.. no doubt about that.

 

Women are more apt to strike out emotionally, with words.. Men typically go for the body. Society pretty much demands men suppress their emotions.. which I think leads to greater physical violence.

[ImWithStupid]

Prolly due to mens more violent nature that they succeed at suicide way more often..

 

Among a lot of variables, women are also more likely to admit they are depressed and seek help. Men are also less likely to have "cry for help" fake suicide attempts. They just do it.

 

Women are more apt to strike out emotionally, with words.. Men typically go for the body. Society pretty much demands men suppress their emotions.. which I think leads to greater physical violence.

 

The thing is a lot of the violent responses women do, aren't viewed as violent. Things like, a single slap for a comment made, a smack in the back of the head for looking at another women (a guy would never get away with that one in public like women do), and things along this line.

[wez]

Among a lot of variables, women are also more likely to admit they are depressed and seek help. Men are also less likely to have "cry for help" fake suicide attempts. They just do it.

 

Which also goes along with expected emotional suppression. We're suppose to be tough guys, we don't seek help.

 

 

 

The thing is a lot of the violent responses women do, aren't viewed as violent. Things like, a single slap for a comment made, a smack in the back of the head for looking at another women (a guy would never get away with that one in public like women do), and things along this line.

 

I view them as violent.. just as. I think hair pulling is the biggie..

 

Really though, suppressing ones emotions is at the root of it all, I believe. A lot of women are raised to be tough guys too.. Quite unhealthy, we have emotions for a reason. Why suppress them, ever? I did for a long time.. no more.

[timesjoke]

That is why I used homicide. Homicides tend to be close to 100% reported. Any first year biology student can tell you about testerones relationship to aggression. To argue women are more violent goes against any statistic you can find and basic biology.

 

Actually the studies show women are more violent, meaning their first reaction to things will be violent compared to a man's. Like my own example, my ex-wife turns to hitting my kids with a belt all the time while I never spank my children.

 

 

Men are stronger so when they turn to violence, their actions cause more damage but women hit men from anger way more often then men hit women.

 

As IWS pointed out, I see woman get mad and hit their men all the time, in public for things like looking at a pretty girl or making a comment they did not like. Women can strike men in public and nobody ever thinks twice about it.

 

Men are seen as deserving anything a woman does to him by default.

[hugo]

It's a fact that depression is one of the biggest factors in suicides. It's a fact that women are about twice as likely to suffer from depression then men, but suicide victims are twice as likely to be men. This goes against what would be expected, due to other variables.

 

Just because men have more testosterone, and testosterone is connected to aggression, doesn't mean that there aren't outside variables that override the response of violence.

 

Of course, every statistic I have ever seen shows men are way more violent, backs up what you would assume based on biology.

[ImWithStupid]

Of course, every statistic I have ever seen shows men are way more violent, backs up what you would assume based on biology.

 

Why doesn't the assumed results of suicide, based on biology, match up then.

 

Like I said, statistics can only reflect, reported acts of violence, and any statistic that relys on that, is subject flawed results due to the many variables.

[timesjoke]

Of course, every statistic I have ever seen shows men are way more violent, backs up what you would assume based on biology.

 

 

Well then you don't look at even the stuff posted in this thread.

 

This is an example:

University of Florida News - Women more likely to be perpetrators of abuse as well as victims

 

Women are more likely than men to stalk, attack and psychologically abuse their partners, according to a University of Florida study that finds college women have a new view of the dating scene.

[hugo]

Why doesn't the assumed results of suicide, based on biology, match up then.

 

Like I said, statistics can only reflect, reported acts of violence, and any statistic that relys on that, is subject flawed results due to the many variables.

 

 

Nearly 100% of homicides are reported. They represent the top of the triangle. The overwhelming numbers of individuals hospitalized due to an act of violence are overwhelminlgy put in that hospital by a male. You can not equate a slap with a shooting in any rational discussiuon of violence. Violent males are also more likely to take aggressive actions against their own self. That explains the suicide rate differential.

[ImWithStupid]

Nearly 100% of homicides are reported. They represent the top of the triangle. The overwhelming numbers of individuals hospitalized due to an act of violence are overwhelminlgy put in that hospital by a male. You can not equate a slap with a shooting in any rational discussiuon of violence. Violent males are also more likely to take aggressive actions against their own self. That explains the suicide rate differential.

 

I have no problem agreeing that males are more likely to resort to extreme or higher levels of violence. The issue at hand is violence, not excessive or high leveled violence, so yea, a slap or throwing objects or whatever violent act, however so slight, counts.

[hugo]

Well then you don't look at even the stuff posted in this thread.

 

This is an example:

University of Florida News - Women more likely to be perpetrators of abuse as well as victims

 

The study relies on self reporting your own poor behavior. A man hitting a woman is more frowned upon than vice versa. Men would be less likely to report abusing a woman or child. Piss poor study.

[ImWithStupid]

The study relies on self reporting your own poor behavior. A man hitting a woman is more frowned upon than vice versa. Men would be less likely to report abusing a woman or child. Piss poor study.

 

Men are less likely to report being the victim of violence also, so I guess any statistic saying women are more likely to be the victim of violence would be a piss poor study also.

[hugo]

I have no problem agreeing that males are more likely to resort to extreme or higher levels of violence. The issue at hand is violence, not excessive or high leveled violence, so yea, a slap or throwing objects or whatever violent act, however so slight, counts.

 

If you can equate serial killer Ted Bundy and a serial slapper woman you may have an argument. I can't equate the two.

[hugo]

Men are less likely to report being the victim of violence also, so I guess any statistic saying women are more likely to be the victim of violence would be a piss poor study also.

 

Just from your own personal experience how many men do you think get raped every year? Do you think it is as many as women?

[ImWithStupid]

Just from your own personal experience how many men do you think get raped every year? Do you think it is as many as women?

 

That is a question, that would have an answer, that would be a moot point. Again, you keep going back to one type of act or extreme acts of violence. The idea is that women are just as or more likely to turn to violence, no matter how severe.

[hugo]

That is a question, that would have an answer, that would be a moot point. Again, you keep going back to one type of act or extreme acts of violence. The idea is that women are just as or more likely to turn to violence, no matter how severe.

 

 

I guess if you consider spanking violence, since women are the primary caregivers, you could be right. You have done the same thing to the word violence that civil rights "leaders" have done to the word discrimination.

 

Let me repeat:

 

If you can equate serial killer Ted Bundy and a serial slapper woman you may have an argument. I can't equate the two.

 

My wife slaps me--one point on the violence scale. An Islamic extremist flies a 757 into the WTC ----100,000 points on the violence scale.

 

If ya got a choice between being murdered or slapped three times a day for the rest of your life what would you choose?

[timesjoke]

I guess if you consider spanking violence, since women are the primary caregivers, you could be right. You have done the same thing to the word violence that civil rights "leaders" have done to the word discrimination.

 

 

What do you call hitting someone with the purpose and intent of causing pain?

 

Non-violence?

 

 

Clearly violence comes in many forms and not limited to just murder. Turning to violence is more of a mindset than anything else. A person feeling a violent reaction is okay is what I was trying to discuss. A man causing more noticable damage is the "result" of his violence and has nothing to do with proving trends of who is the most violent.

[hugo]

What do you call hitting someone with the purpose and intent of causing pain?

 

Non-violence?

 

 

A man causing more noticable damage is the "result" of his violence and has nothing to do with proving trends of who is the most violent.

 

 

I disagree completely. Murdering someone is more violent than slapping someone. Men commit 8 times more murders not because their physical strength results in death instead of a bruise. Usually a firearm or other weapon is used. It is because 90% of the time the intent to kill is there. Killing someone is more violent than slapping someone.

[timesjoke]

I disagree completely. Murdering someone is more violent than slapping someone. Men commit 8 times more murders not because their physical strength results in death instead of a bruise. Usually a firearm or other weapon is used. It is because 90% of the time the intent to kill is there. Killing someone is more violent than slapping someone.

 

I see your point but the data does not agree with you. Even the violent crime numbers show murder as a very tiny portion of the overall violence committed in America. Violence is not the act, it is the mindset.

 

If I try to kill you but fail, does that mean my act was not violent?

 

Of course not, and that is why we need to ignore the result of violence and focus down on the mental state that leads to violence.

 

 

While your looking at murder though and trying to say murder is more significant than other violence consider this:

 

When a man kills, it is usually another man and not someone he is related to.

 

 

When a woman kills it is usually someone she is supposed to love and take care of like her children or her mate, if we want to attach greater strength, killing your loved ones would put that at the top of my list.

[hugo]

I see your point but the data does not agree with you. Even the violent crime numbers show murder as a very tiny portion of the overall violence committed in America. Violence is not the act, it is the mindset.

 

If I try to kill you but fail, does that mean my act was not violent?

 

Of course not, and that is why we need to ignore the result of violence and focus down on the mental state that leads to violence.

 

 

While your looking at murder though and trying to say murder is more significant than other violence consider this:

 

When a man kills, it is usually another man and not someone he is related to.

 

 

When a woman kills it is usually someone she is supposed to love and take care of like her children or her mate, if we want to attach greater strength, killing your loved ones would put that at the top of my list.

 

Let me remind you the title of this post is "women more violent than men?" It is not "women more likely to engage in a violent action than men?" In my mindset murdering someone is many times more violent than slapping someone. One murder is equivalent to a million slaps.

 

Do you disagree?

 

From the department of justice

 

Female murder victims are substantially more likely than male murder victims to have been killed by an intimate

In recent years -

 

About one third of female murder victims were killed by an intimate.

 

 

About 3% of male murder victims were killed by an intimate.

 

 

Of all female murder victims, the proportion killed by an intimate has been increasing.

 

 

Of male murder victims, the proportion killed by an intimate has dropped.

[timesjoke]

Let me remind you the title of this post is "women more violent than men?" It is not "women more likely to engage in a violent action than men?" In my mindset murdering someone is many times more violent than slapping someone. One murder is equivalent to a million slaps.

 

Do you disagree?

 

If your going to narrow down to such a tiny segment of violence I guess so but that leaves out most of the violent acts in America, reported and not reported.

 

 

Murder comprised 1.2 percent of the overall estimated number of violent crimes in 2005

Murder - Crime in the United States 2005

 

This is like discussing abortion. All anyone wants to do is talk about rape and medical need abortion that account for 1% of the overall abortions and here all you want to talk about is 1.2% of all violence and ignore the rest.

 

 

I'm sorry but I am talking about all violence and who is the most likely to turn to violence. Violence is more than a result.

[ImWithStupid]

Let me remind you the title of this post is "women more violent than men?" It is not "women more likely to engage in a violent action than men?" In my mindset murdering someone is many times more violent than slapping someone. One murder is equivalent to a million slaps.

 

Nobody is talking about if one type of violent act is worse then another, and since this thread was started by TJ, and his interpretation of the meaning of the thread is that we are talking about acts of violence, and not just extreme acts like rape and murder, I will have to say that the intent was "women more likely to engage in violent action then men".

[hugo]

Do wedgies count as a violent act?

[ImWithStupid]

Do wedgies count as a violent act?

 

I'm not sure about wedgies, but purple nurples definitely do, and a noogie, if it is intended to be mean spirited and not as a joke, counts too.

 

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[RoyalOrleans]

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