34 youths among 56 dead in Israeli strike

[Jhony5]

Oh and Jhonny, get your facts straight, Hezbollah took two soldiers from Israel, in retaliation to the hundreds of Lebanese prisoners in Israel, a lot of which are aged 14, 15, and 16. Oh and Israel first fired any kind of bomb into Lebanon, Hezbollah retaliated with rockets

 

"HE started it!!"

 

This fucking dribble could go back how long in the history of the middle-east?

 

Israel has entered peace talks and cease-fires many times before, in what I believe to be honest attempts at coming up with some kind of solution. Hezbollah ONLY agrees to cease-fires for the purpose of re-grouping for more attacks.

 

Hezbolah, Hamas, and other smaller groups of similar agenda want Israel "wiped out". Thats your people we're talkin' bout. You say the same damn thing I hear "western-educated" Muslims saying all the time. You try in inject this idea that not all Muslims are this way. That only a small percentage of Muslims are fanatical jihadist. That Muslim nations are embracing democracy all over the region. Then BAM, as soon as someone questions the motives of ANY Muslim organization/Nation, you double back and defend the terrorist till your dying breath. Why? Because to you, and any Muslim I've heard speak towards it, do not view them as 'terrorist'. They're freedom fighters, right?

 

Jhonny, you're soooo right, I just wanna' go out there and shoot up every member of parliament... I wanna' tear apart civilization simply because I pray to Allah five times a day and don't eat pig..

 

I'm not sure what the hell this has to do with anything I posted.....?

 

This is N O T a cultural misunderstanding, fella. Americans are not scared of the dark skinned sand dwellers because of their strange customs and unfamiliar rituals. We are frightened, and I think its safe to say I speak for most Americans when I say this, of the countless images of children we see in Islamic fundamentalists rallies, holding assault riffles, strapped with prop-suicide bombs and chanting death to America.

 

After decades of back and forth bloodshed and all the bullshit Muslims put themselves and each other through, stop worrying about other cultures. Islam, worry about yourselves for a change. Just as every person bears personal responsibility for themselves, Islam, must bear the responsibility for the state of their respective nations.

 

You want to blame Israel for imprisoning criminals? Blame the Muslim culture for wanting their ancient homeland back, STILL. Blame Islam for vowing to destroy the Jews and the "infidels". Let that shit go. You don't see Mexicans strapping C-4 to their young men and sending them into Texas McDonalds on suicide-murder missions do you? NOPE. Because their Catholic? Because they have their own issues to worry about? It doesn't matter why, really.

 

Just answer me one question, Hazma.

 

Why do you think Islam won't let go of the past? Just answer the question and spare us all your tired ranting. Don't dance. Its a simple question.

[Hamza123]

Read your own argument, jihad boy. Throughout the first 125+ years of our history the US had little demand for oil. Jihad boy is incapable of debating. Thinks posting irrelevant links is debate. He needs to read other sources besides Al Jazeera and the Guardian.

 

Stop fucking avoiding it, and READ THE TIMELINE pussy.

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=960678&postcount=16

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Stop fucking avoiding it, and READ THE TIMELINE pussy.

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=960678&postcount=16

 

You are the pussy who will not defend your original statement that the US has been involved in the ME, because of oil, throughout the history of the US. Yep, Jefferson and Hamilton used to argue over whether the federal government should regulate automobile MPG. Jefferson loved his SUV and preferred no regulation.

 

Let me requote jihad boy.

 

America's foreign policy, throughout it's history, has been overwhelmingly involved in the Middle East. Primarly for Oil.

 

Now, jihad boy, please explain how your timeline, beginning in the mid-20th century, defends your ludicrous statement?

[Hamza123]

"HE started it!!"

 

Do you have no sense of hummanity? In the current Middle East crisis, Israel infact bombed Lebanese civilians first, and Israel has killed more civilians... It's simple. Oh and do you think the USA would be in war than if there was no 9/11?

 

 

Israel has entered peace talks and cease-fires many times before

 

LOL!! Israel declared a unilateral "ceasefire" for 48 hours and shortly afterwards it was reported that Hezbollah had fired rockets into Israel despite the "ceasefire". This, it turns out, was not true.

 

According to the BBC, Israel fired rockets into Lebanon shortly after declaring the "ceasefire" killing 3 Lebanese soldiers near Tyre. It is worth remembering that Israel is supposed to be targetting Hezbollah but has so far managed to kill in excess of 650 Lebanese civillians, 5 UN peacekeepers and a handful of Lebanese soldiers. It is also worth remembering that the "ceasefire" is, in fact, a unilateral decision by Israel to stop blowing people up for 2 days and not a mutual agreement by both parties.

 

 

Hezbollah ONLY agrees to cease-fires for the purpose of re-grouping for more attacks.

 

But you don't know that. When Israel declared a cease-fire FOR IT'S OWN SELF, Hezbollah DID NOT fire any rockets, and Israel said that Hezbollah did. This was confirmed to be un-true.

 

Hezbolah, Hamas, and other smaller groups of similar agenda want Israel "wiped out".

 

It's the Palestinian people's land, and they will get it back.

 

You say the same damn thing I hear "western-educated" Muslims saying all the time.

 

Oh, and I am sure you've talked to many Western-Educated Muslims. But perhaps you should go back 20 years and get a "Western-Education".

 

You try in inject this idea that not all Muslims are this way. That only a small percentage of Muslims are fanatical jihadist.

 

Prove me wrong... Oh, and learn what Jihad is in the first place. Not what the US Government defines it as on their own damn web site.

 

That Muslim nations are embracing democracy all over the region.

 

Damn dude, wrong again. But I don't think you read my post on democracy in the Middle East...

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=969441&postcount=26

 

Then BAM, as soon as someone questions the motives of ANY Muslim organization/Nation, you double back and defend the terrorist till your dying breath. Why? Because to you, and any Muslim I've heard speak towards it, do not view them as 'terrorist'. They're freedom fighters, right?

 

I have never defended a terrorist. Simply because I see BOTH Hezbollah and Israel, and the fact that I am Muslim, somehow you're forced to believe that I side with Hezbollah. Well, the only people I side with on this crisis are the people who want peace and stability.

 

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

 

 

We are frightened, and I think its safe to say I speak for most Americans when I say this, of the countless images of children we see in Islamic fundamentalists rallies, holding assault riffles, strapped with prop-suicide bombs and chanting death to America.

 

That is the only Image you see. Do you ever see these on TV??

 

Muslims Against Terrorism (MAT):

[Hamza123]

Why do you think Islam won't let go of the past? Just answer the question and spare us all your tired ranting. Don't dance. Its a simple question.

 

It is not Islam that will not let go of the past it is the people of Islam that are trying to let go of the past but they are shackled into the past by countries like Israel. If you look at countries like Morocco, Turkey, Dubai, and before all this war, Lebanon, they are, and in Lebanon's case, was the pearls of the Middle East. The fact is, when Muslims see so much involvement in the Israeli crisis in a negative way by the US government, they are forced to believe that the USA does not want them to change, that the USA does not want them to advance towards a widle stable Eastern region of the world, and that the USA is against them.

[hugo]

Ron Paul:

 

Were the Founding Fathers Wrong about Foreign Affairs?

 

Last week I appeared on a national television news show to discuss recent events in the Middle East. During the show I merely suggested that there are two sides to the dispute, and that the focus of American foreign policy should be the best interests of America - not Palestine or Israel. I argued that American interests are best served by not taking either side in this ancient and deadly conflict, as Washington and Jefferson counseled when they warned against entangling alliances. I argued against our crazy policy of giving hundred of billions of dollars in unconstitutional foreign aid and military weapons to both sides, which only intensifies the conflict and never buys peace. My point was simple: we should follow the Constitution and stay out of foreign wars.

 

I was immediately attacked for offering such heresy. We’ve reached the point where virtually everyone in Congress, the administration, and the media blindly accepts that America must become involved (financially and militarily) in every conflict around the globe. To even suggest otherwise in today’s political climate is to be accused of "aiding terrorists." It’s particularly ironic that so many conservatives in America, who normally adopt an "America first" position, cannot see the obvious harm that results from our being dragged time and time again into an intractable and endless Middle East war. The empty justification is always that America is the global superpower, and thus has no choice but to police the world.

 

The Founding Fathers saw it otherwise. Jefferson summed up the noninterventionist foreign policy position perfectly in his 1801 inaugural address: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations- entangling alliances with none." How many times have we all heard these wise words without taking them to heart? How many champion Jefferson and the Constitution, but conveniently ignore both when it comes to American foreign policy? Washington similarly urged that the US must "Act for ourselves and not for others," by forming an "American character wholly free of foreign attachments." Since so many on Capitol Hill apparently now believe Washington was wrong, they should at least have the intellectual honesty to admit it next time his name is being celebrated.

 

In fact, when I mentioned Washington the other guest on the show quickly repeated the tired cliche that "We don’t live in George Washington’s times." Yet if we accept this argument, what other principles from that era should we discard? Should we give up the First amendment because times have changed? How about the rest of the Bill of Rights? It’s hypocritical and childish to dismiss certain founding principles simply because a convenient rationale is needed to justify foolish policies today. The principles enshrined in the Constitution do not change. If anything, today’s more complex world cries out for the moral clarity provided by a noninterventionist foreign policy.

 

It’s easy to dismiss the noninterventionist view as the quaint aspiration of men who lived in a less complicated world, but it’s not so easy to demonstrate how our current policies serve any national interest at all. Perhaps an honest examination of the history of American interventionism in the 20th century, from Korea to Vietnam to Kosovo to the Middle East, would reveal that the Founding Fathers foresaw more than we think.

 

Our founding fathers would not have us militarily involved in the ME. They would overwhelmingly find our current foreign aid to Israel, and others, as unconstitutional.

[hugo]

A little info on CAIR

 

A Bad Day for CAIR

By Evan McCormick

 

 

 

September 10th, 2003 will forever be remembered as a grim day for the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). On that day, the eve of the second anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, CAIR faced up to its own terrorist connections. It ran away from testifying before an influential Senate panel that heard a barrage of incriminating evidence about the group and its connections. It saw one of its former officials plead guilty to terrorist-related crimes in Federal Court. And, it was stood up by two Department of Justice officials at an immigration symposium in Florida. CAIR should find it hard to recover from this string of defeats.

 

 

Last Wednesday, The Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security held the second in a series of hearings aimed at examining Saudi Arabia

[hugo]

The problem in a nut shell:

 

Illiteracy

yup that’s what I said, the middle east and surrounding region suffers from massive illiteracy.

 

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  [ ]1 out of 100 Arab girls will finish primary school
  [ ]An average middle east country boasts a 50% illiteracy rate
  [ ]Some, like Sudan have a 76% illiteracy rate or higher
  [ ]A very large percentage of Muslims can neither read nor write
  [ ]A small fraction of the countries residents have a phone or internet
  [ ]Even progressive Egypt has 36% Illiteracy for men and 61% Illiteracy for women

In a region were a massive percentile of the population is illiterate any progress towards peace is burdened by twice the percentage of Illiteracy. Combine that with literally no access to outside information and you have an illiterate, isolated and secular population.

 

Communication becomes almost impossible except in the terms of their culture. i.e. Islam

 

Debate that….

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I think another problem is, due to the custom of polygamy, 44% of arab muslim males are stuck with their camel as a sexual partner. I would be pissed too.

[Hamza123]

Ron Paul:

 

 

 

Our founding fathers would not have us militarily involved in the ME. They would overwhelmingly find our current foreign aid to Israel, and others, as unconstitutional.

 

I respect and I agree with your opinion on how "Our founding fathers would not have us militarily involved in the ME".

 

I am only reffering to the 20th-21st century when I refer to foreign policy.

 

If the US was as constitutional based as they were during the times of George Washington the US would not be have to deal with these un-neccessary problems.

[Hamza123]

At least Bin Laden will stab you in the front, CAIR will stab you in the back.

 

Oh, and like CAIR hired a bunch of people to Hijack planes and fly them into the WTCs. People have accused CAIR many times of being "WAHABI" simply because they can't stand to see a good Muslim.

 

Responded to September 11

 

As our nation approaches the one-year anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, American Muslims around the country will join their fellow citizens in pausing and reflecting upon the horrors of that day and its aftermath. Some media pundits and other well-known figures-including notable evangelist Franklin Graham-have recently accused Muslims of remaining silent after the terrorist attacks. Such charges, which have been covered widely but superficially in the mainstream media, deserve serious analysis.

 

In reality, even a cursory review of press releases, newspaper articles, opinion pieces, and internet websites reveals that Muslims were uniformly shocked, saddened, and outraged at the vicious attack on our own soil-and they did not hesitate to voice their unequivocal condemnation. In fact, American Muslim and Arab-American organizations and leaders were among the first to react in an organized fashion to condemn the terrorist attacks on that very same day, long before it became clear that individuals calling themselves Muslims were involved in the attacks.

 

On September 11, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest grassroots American Muslim civil rights and advocacy group, distributed a statement which read: "We condemn in the strongest terms possible what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts. All members of the Muslim community are asked to offer whatever help they can to the victims and their families. Muslim medical professionals should go to the scenes of the attacks to offer aid and comfort to the victims."

 

CAIR also issued an alert to the Muslim community on September 11, urging that the following additional actions be taken: "Muslim relief agencies should contact their counterparts to offer support in the recovery efforts. Individual Muslims should donate blood by contacting the local office of the Red Cross…They should also send donations to those relief agencies that are on the scene of the attacks."

 

Similarly, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) issued the following unequivocal statement: "We feel that our country, the United States, is under attack. All Americans should stand together to bring the perpetrators to justice. We warn against any generalizations that will only serve to help the criminals and incriminate the innocent. We offer our resources and resolve to help the victims of these intolerable acts, and we pray to God to protect and bless America."

 

And in a September 11 letter to President Bush, community leaders stated: "American Muslims, who unequivocally condemned today's terrorist attacks on our nation, call on you to alert fellow citizens to the fact that now is a time for all of us to stand together in the face of this heinous crime." This letter was signed by the leaders of CAIR, MPAC, the American Muslim Alliance, the American Muslim Council, the Muslim American Society, the Islamic Society of North America, the Islamic Circle of North America, the Muslim Alliance in North America, and American Muslims for Jerusalem. These groups represent most of the seven million Muslims in the United States.

 

Muslims abroad were also unequivocal in their condemnation of the attacks. The 57 member Organization of Islamic Conference issued a communiqu

[Hamza123]

The problem in a nut shell:

 

Illiteracy

yup that

[Hamza123]

I think another problem is, due to the custom of polygamy, 44% of arab muslim males are stuck with their camel as a sexual partner. I would be pissed too.

 

You sure about that? Where did you read that, the Warren Jeffs library? or maybe the Quatrefoil Library?

 

You don't have to lash out on Arabs just cuz you took it up the ass a few times by your "savior" Mr. Warren Jeffs.

[Hamza123]

Being able to speak does not mean you are able to read and write, no matter how many languages you can speak. Illiteracy makes it very difficult to communicate ideas and concepts.

 

Yes NazzNegg I understand that, infact, I can guarantee you that none of the insurgents in Iraq are educated.

 

Education is only apart of the problem with the mixture of state and religion.

[Hamza123]

Oh and those 14 year olds they arrest....

 

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8093081816015615679&q=palestine

 

Sure look like terrorists with all that C4...

[Jhony5]

Posted by:Hazma123

It is not Islam that will not let go of the past it is the people of Islam that are trying to let go of the past but they are shackled into the past by countries like Israel. If you look at countries like Morocco, Turkey, Dubai, and before all this war, Lebanon

 

 

Before "all this war", Lebanon was powerless to overthrow the terrorist organization that essentially controls the political landscape of that Nation. This is whats wrong with your statements, Hazma. You want to keep highlighting these poster-child Muslim nations, all of which have a well known political tie to fanatical Islam i.e. terrorist.

 

Israel declared a unilateral "ceasefire" for 48 hours and shortly afterword's it was reported that Hezbollah had fired rockets into Israel despite the "ceasefire". This, it turns out, was not true.

 

.......and you know this how? You were there I presume? Please do not post a link to ILOVETERRORIST.COM for your rebuttal.

 

It's the Palestinian people's land, and they will get it back.

 

Me thinks they gonna need bigger rocks.

 

Prove me wrong... Oh, and learn what Jihad is in the first place. Not what the US Government defines it as on their own damn web site

 

Nigga please!

 

What do I know about the definition of "Jihad". That I see thousands of crazed Muslims, I mean endless thousands, screaming "death to America, JIHAD...JIHAD lalalalalalalalalalalalala"! And what the fuck is that noise y'all motherfuckers make when ya get all mad?

 

But I don't think you read my post on democracy in the Middle East...

 

Pure comedy. Wow!

 

Ancient? 1947 IS FUCKING ANCIENT??

 

Man, I think the dispute between Jews and Arabs goes back a little further then 1947. You know what I meant by "Ancient".

 

If you call what Osama says on a video tape Islam, than why do I bother debating with you?

 

How many in the Muslim world support Osama, Hezbolah, Hamas? 100 people? 1000 people? A million? 5 million? Whoever guess' closest without going over wins the showcase. I'm not some racist hate monger that gets his information spoon fed to him by the television. I suppose all the countless images of Muslims celebrating in the streets after 9/11 (and that includes Lebanon) were really celebrating the local soccer teams victory?

 

Yeah but do you see America roll into Mexico with a bunch of Abraham tanks, F-16s and fully equiped soldiers to destroy homes, villages, and whipe out human existence in the reigion?

 

In a fucking heartbeat big boy, if Mexicans were terrorist scum like the "good people" of Lebanon.

 

The fact is, when Muslims see so much involvement in the Israeli crisis in a negative way by the US government, they are forced to believe that the USA does not want them to change

 

What involvement? "Stop firing rockets into Israel" is the extent of our direct involvement. Just because the US won't condemn Israel for its defensive position? We are in no position to condemn anyone for killing terrorist, and its respective supporters i.e. the good democratic people of Lebanon.

[Hamza123]

Before "all this war", Lebanon was powerless to overthrow the terrorist organization that essentially controls the political landscape of that Nation.

 

Before all this war Israel erupted Lebanon into a civil war and the US had to get involved if you want to go back that far. Lebanon was progressing nicley, they were rebuilding doing fine, I visted Lebanon two years back and it was AMAZING, like an Arab Greece, the pearl of the Middle East, all like that within weeks, what took years to rebuild, is now GONE.

 

You want to keep highlighting these poster-child Muslim nations, all of which have a well known political tie to fanatical Islam i.e. terrorist.

 

Lol, dude, these "poster-child nations" allow you to be Christian and Jewish freely, they allow women to wear or not to wear Burkas, just what you want in your dream of having a totally Democratic world. They are conforming to you and your governments demands so shut the fuck up.

 

 

 

.......and you know this how? You were there I presume? Please do not post a link to ILOVETERRORIST.COM for your rebuttal.

 

Typical of you to say I love terrorists simply because I choose to defend countries like Lebanon and their civilians... GET A BETTER ARGUMENT. Oh and I know this because I do a little something called, research.

 

Read for yourself!

 

Despite an agreement to stop airstrikes for 48 hours, Israel dropped bombs in southern Lebanon on Monday.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/31/mideast.main/index.html

 

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGMDE020022006

 

 

 

Me thinks they gonna need bigger rocks.

 

No, with the new Lebanese crisis currently on the world stage, most are out there searching for information, and they will see what Israel is doing and has done...

[Hamza123]

Continued...

 

What do I know about the definition of "Jihad".

 

Jihad is the inner struggle to provide, for yourself and others a greater Islam.

 

For the sake of fairness, I will use an article from Wikipedia that hasn't been challenged. According to Muslim scholars, there are six kinds of Jihad.

 

Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb) is an inner struggle of good against evil in the mind, through concepts such as tawhid. Tawhid means to assert the unity of God. (Tawhid = to avoid Shirk, Shirk = Sinning)

 

Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan) is a struggle of good against evil waged by writing and speech, such as in the form of dawah (proselytizing), Khutbas (sermons), and political or military propaganda.

 

Jihad by the pen and knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm) is a struggle for good against evil through scholarly study of Islam, ijtihad (legal reasoning), and through sciences (such as military and medical sciences).

 

Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad) refers to a struggle of good against evil waged by actions or with one's wealth, such as going on the Hajj pilgrimage (seen as the best jihad for women), taking care of elderly parents, providing funding for jihad, political activity for furthering the cause of Islam, stopping evil by force, or espionage.

 

Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif) refers to qital fi sabilillah (armed fighting in the way of God, or holy war).

 

Jihad of peace refers to the struggle to make peace in the world, everywhere and anywhere, in order to improve the image of Islam and thus spread Islam. Only peaceful methods are allowed in this strategic interpretation of jihad.

 

BEFORE YOU BEING TO TALK ABOUT JIHAD BY THE SWORD...

 

"Jihad by the tongue" as "to commend good conduct and forbid the wrong, like the type of Jihad Allah (swt) ordered us to fulfill against the hypocrites in His Words, “O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites” (Qur'an 9:73).

 

That verse from the Qur'an tells Muslims to use Jihad by the Tongue to strive against trangressors like those in Israel. Jihad by the sword is ONLY to be used for self defence purposes. The story behind the creation of Jihad by the Sword is when Muhammed's caravans that had men and women, were raided by Pagans and they were forced to defend themselves inorder to perserve the lives of their Children and Women.

 

 

I see thousands of crazed Muslims, I mean endless thousands, screaming "death to America, JIHAD...JIHAD lalalalalalalalalalalalala"! And what the fuck is that noise y'all motherfuckers make when ya get all mad?

 

Let me guess, on FOX?

 

 

 

 

Man, I think the dispute between Jews and Arabs goes back a little further then 1947. You know what I meant by "Ancient".

 

Umm, Actually the Palestinian and Israeli Crisis that WE KNOW HAPPENED for sure only begane to erupt after WW1, or argued by others WW2.

 

How many in the Muslim world support Osama, Hezbolah, Hamas? 100 people? 1000 people? A million? 5 million? Whoever guess' closest without going over wins the showcase.

 

Well the vast majority of Muslims don't support Osama.

 

Infact if you did your research you would know the Hezbollah condemns Osama.

 

a leader of a terrorist group who also condemns Osama bin Laden, claims he is against the harming of innocents

 

http://hamptonstephens.com/archives/2006/07/who_is_hasan_na.php

 

 

I'm not some racist hate monger that gets his information spoon fed to him by the television.

 

You're not some, however with ever post you imply on being ONE.

 

I suppose all the countless images of Muslims celebrating in the streets after 9/11 (and that includes Lebanon) were really celebrating the local soccer teams victory?

 

Hmm... You saw those on FOX?

 

I'm not... ...spoon fed to him by the television.

 

ROFL! Yeah well they prolly cut a clip of Arab weddings and just posted them as celebrations... Bet they didn't show you this...

[Hamza123]

Continued...

 

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(the picture above depicts

an Iranian mother and daughter,

lighting a candle in the memory of those

who have lost loved ones in

the tragedy of September 11th.

For more details on this

mass candle light vigil, see below)

 

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In the past few weeks, many of us have seen (often for the first time) American Muslim leaders on TV, sharing their grief with other American citizens,

and as we have seen dismissing the actions of those behind the tragedy of 9/11 as both against Islam and the ideals of humanity.

 

This is a positive change, to see Muslim leaders. It is naturally an encouraging development to have Muslims being given a voice,

rather than always being talked about.

However, the images of the Muslim leaders have been inevitably male, adult, (usually bearded), and almost always immigrant.

While each of the above leaders individually is of course entitled to speak, if we only see images of adult male Muslims of Arab and South Asian heritage on TV,

at least for some people this will only reinforce the image of "Islam as the Other".

 

To provide a slightly different image, I would like to share the following two images, of younger female American Muslims.

 

 

 

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Two Palestinian women mourning the loss of life in the tragedies of September 11th.

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- The 1 million Palestinian students in the Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, stood five minutes in silence to express their solidarity with the hundreds of American children who have been struck by this strategy, which resembles in its shocking effects their daily sufferings. (see image to the right)

 

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-Iran's Ayatollah Imami Kashani spoke of a catastrophic act of terrorism which could only be condemned by all Muslims, adding the whole world should mobilise against terrorism.

 

The Images below are from a peaceful candlelight vigil on the streets of Tehran, Iran. (September 18th, 2001)

The pariticipants lit candles, mourned, and prayed to showed their grief over the loss of innocent life in the tragedies of Sept. 11th.

 

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In a fucking heartbeat big boy, if Mexicans were terrorist scum like the "good people" of Lebanon.

 

Good to see you admiting the rampant Military Machine's bloody agenda. The people of Lebanon are being killed by terrorist scum like the Israelis and you're funding it...

 

 

 

What involvement? "Stop firing rockets into Israel" is the extent of our direct involvement. Just because the US won't condemn Israel for its defensive position?

 

ROFL!! OMG LMFAO!! You clearly haven't done your research!

 

Read these and weap.... Read and weap...

 

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

 

Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

 

That $5,700 could've been used for something other than the killing of innocent Arabs.

 

 

 

 

 

After Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu told Congress in 1996 that he wanted to reduce the level of U.S. economic aid to Israel, Israeli Finance Minister Yaacov Neeman met with members of Congress in January 1998 to negotiate the details. After much backing and forthing, they reached agreement that Israel’s then-$1.2 billion in economic aid would be decreased annually, beginning FY 1999, by $120 million, and the $1.8 billion in military aid would be increased by half that, or $60 million.

 

As a little-reported part of the deal, the amount of military aid that Israel was allowed to spend in Israel would be increased by $15 million per year. From FY 1988 through 1990 Israel was allowed to use $400 million of its $1.8 billion U.S. military aid in Israel. Beginning in FY 1991 that was increased to $475 million. As a result of the Neeman agreement, beginning in FY 1999 the aid appropriations bill gave the amount to be spent in Israel as a percentage of the total, rather than a stated amount. This maneuver helped hide from U.S. defense contractors the fact that the U.S. direct subsidy to their Israeli competitors was being increased by $15 million per year. For FY 2001 the stated percentage works out to $520 million. None of this is included in the above figures, because it does not represent a direct cost to the U.S. taxpayers. It is clearly an indirect cost, however, in terms of lost tax revenue and lost business for American companies. X

 

Shirl McArthur, a retired foreign service officer, is a consultant in the Washington, DC area.

 

 

We are in no position to condemn anyone for killing terrorist, and its respective supporters i.e. the good democratic people of Lebanon.

 

You think the USA never sponsored terrorism... Think again... Who funded Saddam to fight Iran... The great USA.

 

The USA funds Israel, your money is dipped in Lebaese blood and the Israeli hands are covered in it.

 

Israel using chemical weapons: doctors

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Israel-using-chemical-weapons-doctors/2006/07/27/1153816285823.html

 

 

 

I apologize for the multiple posts, I couldn't fit more than 4 Images into one post and it was 10,000 some characters over the limit.

[hugo]

http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/cel.htm

 

Sorry bastards deserve everything they are getting.

[Jhony5]

Please try to condense your rebuttals down to a reasonable size. I'm having trouble summoning the ability to read it all in full.

 

Hazma is correct, in the sense that there are millions of peace loving Muslims that do not condone terrorism or the fanatical angle of 'wiping out all infidels'.

 

However this is not something I have not previously realized. I have stated many times on this website, that I am aware of the above fact.

 

That $5,700 could've been used for something other than the killing of innocent Arabs.

 

Maybe we should donate that kind of financial potency to Arab nations, so they can wipe out Jews. Would that suite your fancy?

 

You think the USA never sponsored terrorism... Think again... Who funded Saddam to fight Iran... The great USA.

 

Saddam's regime was not definable as a "terrorist" state. Alas your point is well noted. America often times throughout history, has supported the wrong people in order to fulfill its agenda, whether hidden or otherwise.

 

dude, these "poster-child nations" allow you to be Christian and Jewish freely, they allow women to wear or not to wear Burkas

 

WOW! Basic human rights are finally being realized in a small percentage of Arab states. Bravo! Whats next? No more severing of hands for petty theft? No more stoning to death of promiscuous women?

 

Typical of you to say I love terrorists

 

I did not say "You love terrorist". I said (or rather typed) that you have a habit of posting reference material from biased sources.

 

BTW, I did enjoy the numerous pictures of enraged Muslims preparing for their next flag burning. Did you get those from FOXNEWS.com?

 

 

 

P.S. Please don't write a fucking novel in response. I simply don't have time to read a book tonight.

 

As well, this is a debate form and we are supposed to acknowledge others for the strength of their arguments. Hazma is pretty sharp, for a blood-lusting terrorist( ), so I would think that other members should credit him for his zeal.

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Well Hamza is pretty good. But he dribbles about how peaceful Islam is but never tries to rebuts things. His constant backing of Hellsabob tells me that he’s two faced when it comes to terrorist. I guess he’s just playing the devils advocate. He never posts anything objectively to peace. You can point out the constant attacks before the two Israelis where kidnapped and won’t acknowledge the fact that that wasn’t the only reason for retaliation. I guess if Hellsabob were to be slinging rockets into Canada he wouldn’t mind a bit.

The government of Lebanon can not get rid of Hellsabob so Israel must do it. It must be done completely!

 

And like I said before, your body count will go up. The amount of Muslim (hellsabob's) well get the grunt of it. Fact of life.

[Hamza123]

Maybe we should donate that kind of financial potency to Arab nations, so they can wipe out Jews. Would that suite your fancy?

 

No, for more useful things like contributing to the welfare of the people of the United States rather than the bloody and disfuntional downfal of the Palestinians.

 

Saddam's regime was not definable as a "terrorist" state.

 

Not when he invaded Iran, but only when he invaded Kuwait.

 

WOW! Basic human rights are finally being realized in a small percentage of Arab states.

 

Small percentage ?? Arab nations refuse to adopt western customs because of monetary, military, and social support for countries like Israel.

 

Bravo! Whats next? No more severing of hands for petty theft? No more stoning to death of promiscuous women?

 

In the Qur'an it says to cut the hand, not to cut off the hand, not to sever the hand, when someone steals something of siginificant value towards there respective owner. Obviously, moderate Muslims don't mix religion with politics and handle it according to human law.

 

I did not say "You love terrorist". I said (or rather typed) that you have a habit of posting reference material from biased sources.

 

Amnesty is biased ?? Rather than attacking the source I use, attack and prove it's content wrong.

 

BTW, I did enjoy the numerous pictures of enraged Muslims preparing for their next flag burning. Did you get those from FOXNEWS.com?

 

No, ill only go to FOXNEWS.com if I wan't to hear how Islam is so bad and how Bush and the Republicans are gods...

 

P.S. Please don't write a fucking novel in response. I simply don't have time to read a book tonight.

 

Perhaps I could recommend one to you. I had to read it for myself and I learned a lot that I couldn't understand in the advanced English used in the Qur'an I had at the time.

 

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http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2545.html

 

As well, this is a debate form and we are supposed to acknowledge others for the strength of their arguments. Hazma is pretty sharp, for a blood-lusting terrorist( ), so I would think that other members should credit him for his zeal.

 

As to you... A lot of you provide good debate for myself.

[Hamza123]

Well Hamza is pretty good. But he dribbles about how peaceful Islam is but never tries to rebuts things.

 

WHAT THE FUCK?!?

 

How many more times must a quote the Qur'an. The best representation of Islam is the Qur'an and that job is being done perfectly fine. However those who lead by example, Muslims, well some need more work to do, however a strong majority of us are giving it our all and standing strong.

 

His constant backing of Hellsabob

 

Hmm... Well atleast Jhony was speaking of my sources. It is again, typical of you to say that I back Hezbollah simply because I choose to defend Lebanon, and not side with Israel. If Israel simply was destroying Hezbollah, than I would support there notion, however they have greatly betrayed the Lebanese. You have for Muslims is criticism and disrespect, this is why so many Muslims refuse to show you respect. I on the other hand choose to think with an open mind and see past people's ignorant stupidity.

 

 

 

tells me that he’s two faced when it comes to terrorist.

 

Again, typical for you to say that I am "two faced" because I "support Hezbollah" when I support the Lebanese Civilian.

 

Hell, I should call you two faced. Why is it you only believe what terrorist organizations say when it is to your benefit but call what they say a lie when they say something else.

 

I guess he’s just playing the devils advocate.

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=969393&postcount=25

 

He never posts anything objectively to peace.

 

Read... http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=969393&postcount=25

 

You're an idiot. If it's anyone who wants peace, it is myself. You support Israel's bloody offensive, and I do not. I also do not support Hezbollah, hence I support the Lebanese Civilians and an immediate end to this insanity.

 

You can point out the constant attacks before the two Israelis where kidnapped and won’t acknowledge the fact that that wasn’t the only reason for retaliation.

 

Every time Israel hit Gaza with an airstrike, Hamas or Hezbollah would fire rockets into Israel in retalliation. It is 100% completley wrong to do so, however what Israel did to Gaza is also 100% completley wrong.

 

I guess if Hellsabob were to be slinging rockets into Canada he wouldn’t mind a bit.

 

No, I don't think they would, according to their History, I can only see a pattern or retaliatory attacks toward Israel, however retaliation is something forbidden by Islam.

 

The government of Lebanon can not get rid of Hellsabob so Israel must do it. It must be done completely!

 

Were you hiding under a rock in 2005? Did you not hear of the Lebanese public's mass protest, along with Lebanese government officials lobbying to kick the Syrian army out of Lebanon which was working side by side with Hezbollah. And not only was it sucsessful, the Syrian army withdrew.

 

And like I said before, your body count will go up.

 

You're a hypocrite in your own post. You tout your hat to the fact that the Muslim body count will go up but you criticise me here...

 

He never posts anything objectively to peace.

 

...for not wanting peace.

 

I am not surprised with you at all snafu. If anything, perhaps you could learn a few things from Jhony5, MRIH, and NazzNegg.