Iws

[timesjoke]

Well it looks like the threats IWS made against me awile back are starting to come true.

 

 

 

IWS got sore feelings with me for pushing back when he was being a bully tword me and even though he went through a great deal of trouble to try and cover it up, he has been taking pot shots at me ever sence. Even after we both promised to bury the past, he kept making insults and talking about the past because he does not have the ability to let that past go.

 

 

Last night IWS claimed that Wez did not start the mess with the lady from the jungle, I sent him the post where Wez named the other lady and bad mouthed her "before her reply".

 

I guess IWS just can't stand to be wrong so this morning I was given two warnings because I dared to talk back to him. I am so bad.

 

 

 

Mr power hungry, I have told you many times, if you want me to leave, all you have to do is openly say so. Don't play these games, don't toy with me or other members who you feel is not giving you the worship you think you deserve, just come out and say you want me gone and I will never come back to this forum again.

 

 

 

Wez tore at the seams of the jungle and they had to remove him, but all you can do is defend him. Your deleting several of his posts every day but you claim I am the problem.

 

 

You admitted that if a member here does not complain, you never give warnings to wez so I guess if you delete his bad comments before someone can complain, that falls into the same thing right?

 

 

 

IWS, I again try to bury the hatchet with you here in the open for all to see. I was not the one who broke our first agreement, that was you, but I am willing to try again if you want to but this time you have to mean it and not keep dipping into the past to make your decisions.

 

It is up to you, just tell me what way you want to go, ask me to leave or agree to drop this mess for good.

 

Times

[wez]

Wow... hahahahaha.. congrats guys. The "well poisoner" is leaving.. enjoy having God at your site...

 

Scratch that.. Old salt told me my account was okay and he could see this.. I don't need to leave after all.. Thanks bender, I appreciate it.

 

Wow.. he must be God.. He knows all about the Jungle and how I destroyed it, and continues to talk about it here.. And has made is his presence known there.. repent IWS... if you know whats good for you.

[phreakwars]

TJ cut the crap, this has got to be the biggest BS post on this site yet.

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[wez]

TJ cut the crap, this has got to be the biggest BS post on this site yet.

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Hahahahaha.. I totally concurr.. cept I know he's serious.. Puts the comedy meter off the chart.. Hahahahahahaha

[timesjoke]

TJ cut the crap, this has got to be the biggest BS post on this site yet.

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Your not the one with a staff member going out of their way to target you.

 

I got notice this morning of two infractions, one for "admitting" I did something wrong without anyone complaining, and the other was based on an old saying "don't go away mad, just go away". This is clearly a joke, not a slam and again nobody complained,

 

 

I asked IWS if he punnished Wez for things he does wrong when he deletes things. I have seen many things deleted or edited by IWS and Wez still going strong like he never even noticed.

 

This is the reply I got:

I am not going to give a repremand for something that might be a member violation, if the member doesn't care. I usually wait to see if the other member cares, and if not, edit the post to be more PC. Site violations will be addressed without complaint.

 

So to justify my repremand from IWS, my comment about not going away mad and my admitting to "attacking members" must somehow be violations against the Site, but if this is the basis of me getting in trouble, the same thing would apply to most of what Wez says on this forum.

 

 

 

I see a clear double standard forming with how IWS is playing protective big brother with Wez, deleting his more offending remarks before people can complain but streching the rules as far as possible to give me warnings.

 

 

 

Again, if he asks me to leave, I will gladly do as requested, but I will not sit back and watch this forum be ruined just because IWS feels some kind of protective obligation with Wez.

[wez]

Your not the one with a staff member going out of their way to target you.

 

I got notice this morning of two infractions, one for "admitting" I did something wrong without anyone complaining, and the other was based on an old saying "don't go away mad, just go away". This is clearly a joke, not a slam and again nobody complained,

 

 

I asked IWS if he punnished Wez for things he does wrong when he deletes things. I have seen many things deleted or edited by IWS and Wez still going strong like he never even noticed.

 

This is the reply I got:

 

 

So to justify my repremand from IWS, my comment about not going away mad and my admitting to "attacking members" must somehow be violations against the Site, but if this is the basis of me getting in trouble, the same thing would apply to most of what Wez says on this forum.

 

 

 

I see a clear double standard forming with how IWS is playing protective big brother with Wez, deleting his more offending remarks before people can complain but streching the rules as far as possible to give me warnings.

 

 

 

Again, if he asks me to leave, I will gladly do as requested, but I will not sit back and watch this forum be ruined just because IWS feels some kind of protective obligation with Wez.

 

 

Friendly warning TJ.. you really don't want to try to bull bender.. he's not an idiot.

[timesjoke]

Friendly warning TJ.. you really don't want to try to bull bender.. he's not an idiot.

 

 

Stop the Suddam tactics Wez, sure they may work for awile, but sooner or later the end will still come. The only question is how much damage you will be allowed to cause before that end comes and if that ending will be too late to repair the damage.

 

 

For those of you that don't understand what I am taking about, Suddam would be defiant, rude, directly break agreements, talk big and play all sorts of games until the hammer was about to fall and then he would quickly change tone, start kissing behinds, and "pretend" to agree to be a good boy long enough to get the UN to back down.

 

 

This is the tactic Wez uses. He knows what he is doing and plays the game perfectly. He pushes and pushes then at the end when the hammer is falling, he starts deflecting blame onto others, playing inniocent, and kissing behinds, like he just did with bender.

 

 

Suddam tactics.

[wez]

Stop the Suddam tactics Wez, sure they may work for awile, but sooner or later the end will still come.

 

 

For those of you that don't understand what I am taking about, Suddam would be defiant, rude, directly break agreements, talk big and play all sorts of games until the hammer was about to fall and then he would quickly change tone, start kissing behinds, and "pretend" to agree to be a good boy long enough to get the UN to back down.

 

 

This is the tactic Wez uses. He knows what he is doing and plays the game perfectly. He pushes and pushes then at the end when the hammer is falling, he starts deflecting blame onto others, playing inniocent, and kissing behinds, like he just did with bender.

 

 

Suddam tactics.

 

Sounds like that's what you're accusing IWS of doing too? You should listen to bender.. if not, nice knowing ya.. later bud.

[ImWithStupid]

Last night IWS claimed that Wez did not start the mess with the lady from the jungle, I sent him the post where Wez named the other lady and bad mouthed her "before her reply".

 

I guess IWS just can't stand to be wrong so this morning I was given two warnings because I dared to talk back to him. I am so bad.

 

That had nothing to do with it.

 

Your "supposed proof" was crap in the eyes of an adult, or by a sane person.

 

BEFORE Wez asked Feck about fixing his account, he said this:

 

Hey fecky.. I noticed the new account button was on so I made one.. weez.. Seems Mrs. K had a little problem with it, threw me in her dungeon, and was quite rude. I'd show you what she said but when I went back she had wiped it out.. I asked her why and she said.. "I always clear my chatroom when I'm done, good housekeeping and all".

 

She told me to grovel to you again so "they" can all have a good laugh.. so...

 

Clearly Wez bad mouthed Mrs, K before she came here to "reply".

 

A sane person can see that wez was talking to Fecky about what happened at her site, when he tried to join again.

 

This laughable, attempt to make your point, was even taken out of context to favor your argument, and is still this feeble.

 

Maybe you didn't mean to take it out of context <laughing> maybe you just forgot to add the next line, showing that it was in the same post that he asked Fecky to fix his account.

 

Would you fix my wez account? I'd like to say hi to some old friends... if not, just say so, that'll be the end of it.. Weeez will not join.. Not in the mood for games, or Mrs. K's insults.. Thanks fecky.. either way, you know I still love ya.

 

Take off the blinders dude.

[timesjoke]

That had nothing to do with it.

 

Right.

 

 

Your "supposed proof" was crap in the eyes of an adult, or by a sane person.

 

So I must be a child or insane if I see something you cannot?

 

Now your turning to the personal attacks when you cannot support your possitions, nice.

 

 

A sane person can see that wez was talking to Fecky about what happened at her site, when he tried to join again.

 

More personal attacks?

 

I am insane for noticing the more then 70 words "before" his request to Feck that was all about bashing MrsK?

 

 

This laughable, attempt to make your point, was even taken out of context to favor your argument, and is still this feeble.

 

Only feeble to you, anyone not using clouded judgement could see that Wez's post was mostly bashing MrsK and he only added a tiny request to Feck to have the ability to play innocent.

 

My biggest problem is that while it is clear that Wez bashed MrsK first and instigated the "reply" from MrsK, you blamed MrsK instead of the one who started it, Wez.

 

 

Take off the blinders dude.

 

Blinders are used to keep an animal focused down on where it is going. Being as your flailing around in all directions desperately trying to make excuses for Wez's own behavoir and condmemn those of us who "respond" to Wez's behavoir, maybe you could use some blinders of your own to get your focus back.

 

Wez makes 99% of the problems here and your lashing out at the 1% that really care about having great debates without childish games.

 

 

Yopur supposed to be a staff member and a staff member needs to be more concerned with doing what is right for the forum and not what is right to feed his personal anger.

[wez]

Come on Tj.. I really don't want to see you banned.. or myself. Just try to listen to what people are telling you.. if I said those things about you, or to you, that you just did again, would you feel the urge to defend yourself? You're talking about yourself, not me. Or IWS....

 

According to your theory, I must have joined as weez, mentally willed Mrs.K to throw me in her dungeon and insult me so I could come back here to "mostly bash her" by merely telling the truth, then slip in about fixing my account to cover my butt?

 

 

Come on.. think about it. I wanted my wez account fixed.. end of story. I addressed fecky.. not you, or anyone else. You defend her right to "respond" while trying to shove a knife in my back?.... enough. I don't want you banned.

 

 

I joined as weez because I missed the people there, not to cause trouble.. Why don't you look at the 3 posts I made as weez. You're a member there, not me. I was for 2 1/2 years.. I like the folks there.

[timesjoke]

This is not about you Wez, please leave me alone.

 

The only reason I mention your name with the discussion id because IWS gave me two infractions based on my replies to this, otherwise I would not mention you at all.

 

 

Again, please stop it, I am very tired of your childish games.

[wez]

This is not about you Wez, please leave me alone.

 

The only reason I mention your name with the discussion id because IWS gave me two infractions based on my replies to this, otherwise I would not mention you at all.

 

 

Again, please stop it, I am very tired of your childish games.

 

 

TJ.. practically everything you've been saying was about me. Cept for the crap about IWS.. You're talking about yourself TJ.. I'm sorry, but it's the honest to god truth..

[RoyalOrleans]

TJ cut the crap, this has got to be the biggest BS post on this site yet.

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The day is still young.

[hugo]

The day is still young.

 

I'll bet I can top it.

[phreakwars]

Awe, great, now to end my night with a rant.

 

First of all, to Wezley, you are being a pain in the ass.. not a pain in my ass personally, because you know me, I really don't give a flying fukk about anything personally except my own self and my devotions.

 

I know your stupidity level is not so low, that you are not aware of when you are being a pain in the ass. I believe you to be somewhat more intelligent then that.

 

I believe you choose to entice. Perhaps your approach need be examined, perhaps not.

 

So, I need to ask myself... is this guy just hear to annoy, is he being threatening, or is he just maybe ranting off in the way he knows how to express himself?

 

I choose the later option because I am fair. Because I believe everyone should have the means of expressing themselves.

 

When Bob and I did the GF "project", we pushed for a more expressive anger that was more linguistically compelling. I.E. lets get the members mad at each others ideals and explain why they hold an opposing or similar view. Oh what fun, but you know what dude? In the end, we figured out it was better to create a community and not a themed site. We don't want to be ban hammer overlords here, but damn dude, no need to keep trying to get a response out of someone or lash back at them with a cheap shot..

 

AND DAMN , that's all you do. The 2TJ site, for the most part is a community site of the SAME people no matter how many new people come and go. Some people like you... scratch that, I'm guessing they probably ALL like you, but dude, nobody wants crap thrown at them on a board they call their own.

 

If any given forum accepted you at one point, then there is no reason in the world to change your attitude about the people around you. That's why forums like 2TJ, and even the Suckage have been able to sustain the same group for many many years.

 

Why make your friends your enemies?

 

And to TJ ( AND EDDO )

 

Why try and set the rules of engagement? Why try and preach your own version of moderating?

 

TJ, your an admin where again?

 

If there is one thing that every person who uses a vBulletin forum, and other types of forum software should know, the IGNORE feature is probably one of the most underutilized options available.

 

The best way to avoid some guy talking crap to you, is ignore what they are saying... eventually, they figure out they have no one to talk crap to, and it all goes down in the archives with the other guy looking like a fool.

 

If you want to thrive as an admin, I suggest you school yourself in the art a bit more.

 

I think the mentality's here can co-exist, but I also believe those who are disruptive to others should first, be made aware of their behavior, and second, contained away from the INDIVIDUAL, not the group, who has the complaint about them.

 

What are you proposing TJ, should I ban WEZ? And under what authority is it, that if we do no such thing, that we are some how now targeting you as a, shall we say.. "troublemaker".

 

IWS has a vendetta against you? Oh please, I know they guy IRL, and I know what he does for a living, and so don't a couple others here. Even the idea is laughable at best. Actually, if anything, you might have something in common if you care to PM him and find out.

 

He was given the MOD position for a very specific reason... integrity.

 

I won't defend his position because when push comes to shove, any good forum ADMIN knows it is best to let the chosen moderator(s), decide what is appropriate or how to handle an individual.

 

Now ask yourself, why do you think I see this post as the biggest damn joke of a post yet?

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[ImWithStupid]

What are you proposing TJ, should I ban WEZ? And under what authority is it, that if we do no such thing, that we are some how now targeting you as a, shall we say.. "troublemaker".

 

IWS has a vendetta against you? Oh please, I know they guy IRL, and I know what he does for a living, and so don't a couple others here. Even the idea is laughable at best. Actually, if anything, you might have something in common if you care to PM him and find out.

 

He was given the MOD position for a very specific reason... integrity.

 

I won't defend his position because when push comes to shove, any good forum ADMIN knows it is best to let the chosen moderator(s), decide what is appropriate or how to handle an individual.

 

Now ask yourself, why do you think I see this post as the biggest damn joke of a post yet?

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All I will add, at this point is that I spent much of the last 4 months or more being accused of being an overbearing mod by you, and have gone out of my way to refute this accusation or eliminate myself from involvement with you. Unfortunately, this has caused Cloaked and Bender to spend more time dealing with this site then they should have to (for this I am sorry, Cloaked and Bender). This has been totally unfair to them as they have other sites and projects and what not that they are dealing with, and don't need this crap because of one member.

 

At this point I am going to say that, how you respond to Bender's question...

 

Now ask yourself, why do you think I see this post as the biggest damn joke of a post yet?

 

, your subsequent actions, and his interpretation of your response, will greatly effect your future here.

 

To quote the Knight of the Crusade, in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade...

 

Knight: You must choose. But choose wisely. For as the True Grail will bring you life -- the False Grail will take it from you.

 

<Substitute "True Grail" with right answer, and "False Grail" with wrong answer.>

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[wez]

All I have to say is thank you, bender... I do try to express myself the only way I know how. The fact is, I lost myself for 20 years trying to be what someone else thought I should be until I could no longer lie to myself, couldn't sleep for 6 straight days, had a breakdown, and spent a week in the hospital. It was my very first visit to 2TJ that triggered this, shall we say, rebirth.

 

The week I spent in the hospital mingling with counselors, nurses, doctors, drunks, drug addicts, depressed and suicidal people was, in fact, the best week of my life and feel very fortunate to have found myself where I had left off. A happy kid for all intents and purposes, just wanting to do what's right and never let myself go again. And as a kid, I'm still learning, and appreciate what you say to me and can tell you, I will do the absolute best I can to adapt my approach to please others, while maintaining my sanity, which will always come first til the day I die. I understand your guys point of view. This is your site and in some ways, a business, and I have total respect for that and all of you guys. I don't expect anyone to bend to fit my whims and self discovery at the expense of themselves, or their business.

 

So in conclusion, what I can say is I will do my best, and if my best isn't good enough for the direction you guys wish things to progress, I have no one to blame but myself and will never have any hard feelings about anything no matter what the future brings. I'll always cherish every moment I spent at 2TJ, and here, no matter what. Don't ever hesitate to smack my ass if you feel the need as I prefer immediate, honest feedback as I believe letting things dwell only creates animosity and confusion to the point where one doesn't even really know what they are mad at anymore, they're just mad, period. But I can't guarantee I wont talk back, like any smartass kid. And as you full well know, I can be quite persistent. OK.. a pain in the ass.

 

I hope that helps you understand where I come from and if you ever want to know anything about me or have any questions, all you need to do is ask and I'll tell you the truth.. Not just the staff, but anyone in the world who reads this. Thanks again bender, I really do appreciate it, even if it may not seem like it sometimes. Peace brother.

 

One more thing.. can I have my avatar back, please? I feel so naked..

[timesjoke]

All I will add, at this point is that I spent much of the last 4 months or more being accused of being an overbearing mod by you, and have gone out of my way to refute this accusation or eliminate myself from involvement with you. Unfortunately, this has caused Cloaked and Bender to spend more time dealing with this site then they should have to (for this I am sorry, Cloaked and Bender). This has been totally unfair to them as they have other sites and projects and what not that they are dealing with, and don't need this crap because of one member.

 

Your right, one member should not be the cause of a lot of trouble, the question is who is that one member?

 

I am starting to get the feeling that this is like football, one guy breaks the rules and hits a player on the other team, the other player does not like the fact he was hit so he hits back, the officials only see the second hit.

 

At this point I am going to say that, how you respond to Bender's question...

 

 

, your subsequent actions, and his interpretation of your response, will greatly effect your future here.

 

To quote the Knight of the Crusade, in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade...

 

 

 

<Substitute "True Grail" with right answer, and "False Grail" with wrong answer.>

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I don't see where being a smart butt is going to help any.

 

Each person has his own mind and what one finds funny another may not, I have no idea why Bender finds this or any other situation to be a joke but I do know that while I fully admit that I have been pushing the Wez situation, I have never wanted to.

 

Think back guys, even though I knew this was a new forum and I have lots of experience running forums, I never once contacted any of you with the desire to join the staff under any capacity. I never had any desire to run anything. Staff members of a site cannot maintain their integrity if their involved in the debating and my only desire is to freely debate without being worried about maintaining my integrity as a staff member at the same time.

 

 

Yes Bender, I know what IWS does for a living, I also know one of these kind of guys just got convicted of killing his women and her unborn child, a person's method of employment has nothing to do with them having integrity.

 

I do not believe IWS is intending to be biased, I believe he is seeing Wez as a kind of little brother who he is trying to help. I know for a fact (because he admitted it) that much of the bad done by Wez never makes it to official reporting because IWS deletes/edits it before anyone can see/report it.

 

 

There is an old saying, "the proof is in the pudding". It means that no matter what we "try" to do, the only thing that matters is the result. While you guys have been trying to do all sorts of back flips to deal with Wez, he has been the cause of all this mess including this perceived mess you see with me. I only started pushing for action with Wez because he was running without restriction and posting personal attacks and childish "I'm not you" crap all over the forum. I kept seeing this and the refusal to do anything about it and even though I am not staff here, I felt an obligation as a member here to speak out against what would clearly tear apart this forum.

 

If your upset at my trying to act, then simply look into the mirror because if you guys had acted when the Wez problem was forming, I would never have felt the need to act myself.

 

All of you know I am ex-law enforcement, talk to any (good) cop and you will know that we are always on the job, it is our mindset. Even now, if I see someone in trouble, I act. I may not try to give out speeding tickets (never did much of that anyway) but I still cannot watch bad things happen and not react.

 

 

So, ban me if you want, I was looking for a new forum when I found this one. I don't want to be banned but hey, I cared enough about the future of this forum to act on a very bad problem when it was obvious that nobody else would. Even if you do remove me now, at least I can leave with the knowledge that I acted and did not just sit back and watch Wez slowly ruin this forum.

 

 

Just remember this, with everything you have done up to now, Wez is still doing what he has always done. How much time have you put into trying to educate him? How much time have you wasted?

 

Everything including this with me is all a domino effect from him.

 

The question is not if you will end up removing Wez, he will keep pushing and pushing until you have no other choice. The question is if you will have any members still here when that time comes.

 

 

All I want is to be a member of a forum where open debating is possible without stuff like "I'm not you" being spammed all over the forum, I am not the only member of this forum that will vote with their feet if you cannot provide that environment.

[wez]

Please TJ... just quit talking about me and put me on ignore as cloaked suggested. I have a dad, and an older brother. You don't need to worry about me. I'm a 39 year old man, and an 18 year old kid. I'd like to find my own way and it's up to the staff of this forum to decide what's best for it. Not you.

[ImWithStupid]

Oops, with your obvious backhanded attacks, you have chosen poorly.

 

TJ, here's the deal.

 

If you still think I was targeting you, the admins saw through your facade and I was given the green light to go at you months ago, but thought you could be reasoned with.

 

My problem was, I was trying to reason with someone who appears to be an insecure, paranoid, control freak, and you can't reason with people who have mental disorders. (not my diagnosis. I showed this site, and links to other sites you are on, including The Jungle, to a psychologist friend of mine, who went to a very reputable school I might add, and that's what they came up with about you.) Some of the common traits on this site and other sites are that, when you don't get your way, you cry about being picked on by other members, other members don't behave like you want, mods are out to get you, your vagina hurts, or whatever. my terms, not her's I would include the name of the actual disorder she said you seem to be suffering from but that wouldn't be nice.

 

From this and personal experience, I came to the conclusion that you think you have to be in control of everything that relates to you, but when this doesn't happen, your insecurities kick in and that feeds your paranoia. You then turn into a big whiner, if you think the whining is working, you press harder, trying to moderate or control the site, using the whining and complaining.

 

As you can see from the responses by both, Cloaked and Bender, who are the administrators of the site, your tactics are very transparent. (by the way, there has been extensive conversation in the hidden forum about you and what you are trying to do, for some time now)

 

You are welcome to stay, nobody is forcing you to leave, but from this point forward, I have put up with more personal attacks, backhanded comments and other crap from you, then any mod on any site I have belonged to has ever done, without responding. Because of your inability to see things as they are a "zero tolerance" policy in effect, regarding your back door attempts to moderate the site.

 

To quote someone who views themselves as a wise man...

 

"The amount of crap a person can take in their job is directly comparable to the amount their getting paid."

 

Something to think about.

 

If you want to engage in debates, that's fine, I welcome civil debate on any issue, but cross me with a personal attack in the debate, outside of a debate personally or as to my moderating style regarding any situation you aren't involved in personally, and the "Idiot Box" or "Time Out" will be your friend.

 

Like I told you in the PM, this isn't your site and this is the way it is. I tried to tell you several times in PM's that my view was more then my own and implied that the Admins felt the same. You seem to have felt that I was bluffing. Now as I said to you many times, you can either use the ignore button for members you don't like or deal with it, but in the end, nobody is making you come back here.

 

Best wishes and have a nice day.

 

Joe

[ImWithStupid]

All I want is to be a member of a forum where open debating is possible without stuff like "I'm not you" being spammed all over the forum, I am not the only member of this forum that will vote with their feet if you cannot provide that environment.

 

If you don't feel you can get that here, I guess you can try to find it at 2TJ, where you spent the last day or so, sucking on the teets there, bad mouthing this site.

 

Good luck in the future, and good fortune.

 

Joe

 

P.S. To everyone else, I'll just take this time to out myself, since TJ has used veiled attempts to do so, for months now, and save him the time. My profession, as Bender and Cloaked know, is that of a law enforcement officer. The only reason I have not made that public is that I learned long ago that, when meeting new people, in my line of work, it's best to let them know you as a person, before knowing your profession, otherwise they pre-judge you. From this all I can say is, before you judge me by my job, think about some of my views, or if you can't remember them, go back and see how I replied to the threads here. I guess I just took away the last shred of power you thought you had, TJ. Good luck in the future, Bud.

 

To everyone else,

 

Thank you in advance,

 

Joe

[wez]

If you don't feel you can get that here, I guess you can try to find it at 2TJ, where you spent the last day or so, sucking on the teets there, bad mouthing this site.

 

Good luck in the future, and good fortune.

 

Joe

 

And you will never have to worry about me being there.. I think that's been established..

 

But please stick around.. you make me laugh, really hard. I like it, it feels good..

[ImWithStupid]

And you will never have to worry about me being there.. I think that's been established..

 

But please stick around.. you make me laugh, really hard. I like it, it feels good..

 

I have no problem with 2TJ. I think it's a great site, as far as it is a good online community and has plenty to do. I had no intention of coming across as bad mouthing it and didn't mean to put it down at all. (Feckless is wonderful member here and a great admin there, and I hope her personal life gets less hecktic and that her father gets well, it is a hard thing when a family member isn't well) I just was saying that if he didn't feel this site was what he wanted that 2TJ might be for him. I would spam another site for TJ to check out, but most others that I belong to are either local, or product specific.

 

Joe.

[wez]

I'd also like to invite anyone from 2TJ to come visit me, or the site here.. I miss you guys.. I know Anabel would love the lyrics post, and am certain she could turn us on to some good music..