Gun Free Zones

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I was just coming home from an eveving out with the family and friends when I heard Alice Cooper on his radio show talking about arming the teachers. He excalimed "I've heard of some really dumb stuff but the beats them all" Something to that effect. This is from a man with a womens name for Gods sake. How stupid is that?

 

STOP SCHOOL SHOOTINGS: LET TEACHERS CARRY GUNS

 

 

 

 

 

By Dr. Patrick Jonston

 

October 8, 2006

 

NewsWithViews.com

 

A drifter walks off the street into a Colorado public school and kidnaps a half a dozen girls before sexually molesting then shooting one of them. Three Wisconsin teenagers are taken into custody for plotting a bomb attack on their school. A teacher is gunned down in Vermont as a man searches angrily from classroom to classroom for his ex-girlfriend. Another student in a rural school shoots his principal. Bam! Bam! Bam! And that’s just the past six weeks in the public school system.

 

Those “Gun-Free Zone” signs in front of public schools just aren’t catching on. Or are they?

 

Is it just me or does anybody else see the obvious connection between “gun-free zones” and murder? Harris and Klebold at Columbine High School… John Lee Malvo in Baltimore… Charles McCoy in Columbus, Ohio… United 93… Washington, D.C. – the city with the highest murder rate in the country and the strictest gun control laws. Hmmm… “Gun-free zones” and cold-blooded mass murder – any connection?

 

When Ohio passed legislation allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons in 2004, a colleague asked me, “Dr. Johnston, aren’t you going to put up the placard to keep concealed weapons out of your office?” A physician wouldn’t want guns in his office, right? I walked into the hospital when I saw one of the placards: “No weapons of any kind are allowed inside this building.” Buses and public schools also have them posted.

 

At least now, if there are mass shootings, there’s little doubt as to where they will occur.

 

Gun control laws do not protect good people; they disarm good people. Bad people are encouraged, not intimidated, by gun control laws. Criminals, by definition, break the law – how is a new law going to prevent them from carrying a gun when they’re breaking a law to use it in a crime in the first place? A placard outside of a school or hospital is not going to prevent a criminal from carrying a gun onto the property. The placards may make the criminals more likely to use their gun, however. Criminals prefer a disarmed population. Defenseless people are easier to victimize. Criminals aren’t stupid - “gun-free zones” are the safest places to kill people and that’s why most of the mass murders in our nation take place at these locations. The gun control policies of the public school system are almost as deadly as their Planned Parenthood-sponsored sex education classes.

 

No, my dear patients, my office will not be a “gun-free zone.” I care too much about your health – and mine. Good people have nothing to fear from good people keeping and bearing arms. Only bad people need fear that. Oh, if there were only that much sense in a politician willing to defy the liberal insanity of “gun-free zones” and allow good people to carry the means of defense on their person.

 

Our nation’s “gun-free zones” are a microcosm of the politics of mass murder on a much grander scale: Mao tse Tung, Hitler, and Stalin, the three most infamous mass murderers in history, only succeeded in their diabolical tyranny because of successful gun control. Gun control is job security for criminals and tyrants, who lie about what keeps us safe and usurp God-given rights to protect us. Guns in the hands of teachers, doctors, and bus drivers are not what is transforming our “Gun-free zones” into killing zones. It’s guns in the hands of criminals, giddy with the leftist policies that guarantee their victims and any eyewitnesses will be disarmed and defenseless.

 

“But we can always dial 911, and the police will protect us!”

 

Tell that to the six girls in Colorado that were held at gunpoint while the police waited outside behind their cars? Tell that to the Columbine students, who hid under desks at the library and barricaded themselves in classrooms as Harris and Klebold went on their killing spree while officers hid behind their bullet-proof shields outside the school for hours. In their defense, the police were successful at keeping armed and furious parents from charging onto school property to kill the butchers and protect their kids. That would have violated school policy, and the parents may have been shot in the back had they tried it. Carrying guns onto school property, even if it’s to protect your kids from mass murderers, is almost as bad as student-led prayer or posting the Ten Commandments!

 

 

 

We need to wake up and see that gun free zones and gun laws only make victums.

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A nice little comentary from Ted Nugent:

 

WACO, Texas (CNN) -- Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.

 

Anybody see what the evil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.

 

Nearly a decade ago, a Springfield, Oregon, high schooler, a hunter familiar with firearms, was able to bring an unfolding rampage to an abrupt end when he identified a gunman attempting to reload his .22-caliber rifle, made the tactical decision to make a move and tackled the shooter.

 

A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl.

 

At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.

 

More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.

 

My hero, Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp, was not allowed by Texas law to carry her handgun into Luby's Cafeteria that fateful day in 1991, when due to bureaucrat-forced unarmed helplessness she could do nothing to stop satanic George Hennard from killing 23 people and wounding more than 20 others before he shot himself. Hupp was unarmed for no other reason than denial-ridden "feel good" politics.

 

She has since led the charge for concealed weapon upgrade in Texas, where we can now stop evil. Yet, there are still the mindless puppets of the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun organizations insisting on continuing the gun-free zone insanity by which innocents are forced into unarmed helplessness. Shame on them. Shame on America. Shame on the anti-gunners all.

 

No one was foolish enough to debate Ryder truck regulations or ammonia nitrate restrictions or a "cult of agriculture fertilizer" following the unabashed evil of Timothy McVeigh's heinous crime against America on that fateful day in Oklahoma City. No one faulted kitchen utensils or other hardware of choice after Jeffrey Dahmer was caught drugging, mutilating, raping, murdering and cannibalizing his victims. Nobody wanted "steak knife control" as they autopsied the dead nurses in Chicago, Illinois, as Richard Speck went on trial for mass murder.

 

Evil is as evil does, and laws disarming guaranteed victims make evil people very, very happy. Shame on us.

 

Already spineless gun control advocates are squawking like chickens with their tiny-brained heads chopped off, making political hay over this most recent, devastating Virginia Tech massacre, when in fact it is their own forced gun-free zone policy that enabled the unchallenged methodical murder of 32 people.

 

Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun ban. Feel better yet? Didn't think so.

 

Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?

 

I'll tell you who. People who tramp on the Second Amendment, that's who. People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to defend themselves and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones.

 

Pray for the families of victims everywhere, America. Study the methodology of evil. It has a profile, a system, a preferred environment where victims cannot fight back. Embrace the facts, demand upgrade and be certain that your children's school has a better plan than Virginia Tech or Columbine. Eliminate the insanity of gun-free zones, which will never, ever be gun-free zones. They will only be good guy gun-free zones, and that is a recipe for disaster written in blood on the altar of denial. I, for one, refuse to genuflect there.

 

 

 

[ImWithStupid]

A gun free zone, sign is to whack jobs, what putting a sign on your business that says, "No Alarm or Surveillence System and The Money Is In The Back Office, Top Right Desk Drawer", is to a burgler.

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[ImWithStupid]

Maybe we should blame the public school system. Appearantly these people didn't learn to read the signs.

[timesjoke]

Ya, I have always thought gun control laws were stupid, if someone is already of the mind to use a gun to say rob someone, they are already over the edge and are taking the chance they will need to kill someone, why would a gun law scare them?

 

Does the criminal say to himself "I want to go out an rob someone at gunpoint but I don't think I will do it because this gun law is too strict"?

 

 

At that point, the gun laws become irrelivant. Now when we are taling about these stories of killers going into malls or schools to do their killing, the anti-gun laws now become very relivant, why? Because these laws now become the killer's friend, he can select himself one of the many "gun free" zones for his killing spree.

 

 

I have started calling these gun free zones a new name, "killers buffet". These placed offer all the best selections of victims for their killing pleasure just like your local oriental buffet offers a large dining selection.

 

All with no risk to the killer himself, so remember boys and girls, your government is counting on you to keep the buffet fully stocked at all times.

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

We need to wake up and see that gun free zones and gun laws only make victums.

 

I agree Snaf. Most of the college and mall shootings in the USA seem to have occured in gun free zones.

 

It seems to me, shooters choose such places as they fully understand that their victims will be unable to return fire, being unarmed themselves.

 

I would refuse to shop in, or patronise any gun free zone if I lived in the USA

[ImWithStupid]

Gun free zone laws are just "feel good" laws. The only thing that they prevent, is the legally licensed, law abiding person from having a gun. The criminal doesn't care, especially one who plans on being dead before they leave the "Gun Free Zone" anyway.

 

Gun free zones are there to give people a false sense of security. They are just like putting unarmed guards at the entrance to a school. The only thing this helps, if a whacked out gunman goes to the school it that you can be pretty sure where to find the first body. At the front entrance, wearing a security guard uniform.

[ImWithStupid]

I just wanted to point out some of the effects of the, "Gun Free Zone".

 

When a gunman went on a shooting rampage in an Omaha, Nebraska mall...

 

Omaha Mall, Scene Of Mass Killing, Reopens, Visitors Place Memorials At Site Of Massacre; Tighter Security Posted - CBS News

 

There was a legally licensed, person with a concealed carry permit, in this store, but since the mall was a, "Gun Free Zone", this legally licensed, law abidinig citizen, left his firearm in his vehicle, so he wouldn't be in violation of the law. This person was lucky enough to get out unharmed, but he said he was in a position to have taken out the gunman, and maybe saved lives.

 

Now lets talk abou another situation...

 

About a year ago, in a mall in Salt Lake City, Utah, a gunmen, loaded with a backpack full of ammunition, a shotgun and a .38-caliber pistol, entered the mall.

 

An off duty police officer, didn't obay the signs that said it was a "Gun Free Zone" kept the assailant busy while responding officers had time to arrive. An officer and the off duty officer, engaged the bad guy and stopped him before he was able to unload his backpack full of ammo on the, unarmed, sheep at the mall.

 

Police: Off-Duty Cop Saved Lives In Mall, Salt Lake City Police Say Officer Prevented Gunman Who Fatally Shot 5 From Killing More - CBS News

 

Two opposite, situations, as one was a CCW holder who was in a situation to make a difference, but couldn't because he was obligated to leave his gun in his car and the other was in a situation to make a difference, and had his firearm, even though it was a gun free zone.

[snafu]

I feel it?s such a quandary. Do you break the law and carry or not. At my job it?s probably not worth getting fired over so I don?t but going into stores and such I think its? worth getting into trouble. My thing is I don?t like to keep anything in the chamber so I would need to breach a round before I could use my gun which could be a matter of life and death. But I feel compelled to be a little safe.

[Old Salt]

I feel it’s such a quandary. Do you break the law and carry or not. At my job it’s probably not worth getting fired over so I don’t but going into stores and such I think its’ worth getting into trouble. My thing is I don’t like to keep anything in the chamber so I would need to breach a round before I could use my gun which could be a matter of life and death. But I feel compelled to be a little safe.

Revolver. Old fashioned, and not as sexy, but leave the hammer sitting on an empty chamber and when you need it, just squeeze the trigger. You shouldn't, but if you need a lot of rounds to do what you need to do, you've got a problem.

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Revolver. Old fashioned, and not as sexy, but leave the hammer sitting on an empty chamber and when you need it, just squeeze the trigger. You shouldn't, but if you need a lot of rounds to do what you need to do, you've got a problem.

 

No I have a Combat Comander Colt 45 and a AMT 380 backup, both automatics. The newer relvolvers don't really need the hammer sitting on an empty chamber. You would be safer to leave the next chamber coming up empty.

[ImWithStupid]

No I have a Combat Comander Colt 45 and a AMT 380 backup, both automatics. The newer relvolvers don't really need the hammer sitting on an empty chamber. You would be safer to leave the next chamber coming up empty.

 

With the Commander, just don't have the hammer ed.

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With the Commander, just don't have the hammer ed.

 

Yeah that's true. I just feel leary with something in the chamber. I should though. I have an extended clip of 8 rounds. If I put one down the pipe I will be carring 9 rounds.

[Ahhlee]

I feel far more safe living in an area surrounded by rednecks with guns who know how to use them than I would in a gun free zone.

[timesjoke]

I feel far more safe living in an area surrounded by rednecks with guns who know how to use them than I would in a gun free zone.

 

Amen my friend, criminals are not stupid, they are going to avoid areas that are assumed to have armed people.

 

My weapon of choice is the Glock model 20 10mm. 15 rounds in the magazine and one in the pipe gives me all the ammo I should ever need.

[snafu]

Amen my friend, criminals are not stupid, they are going to avoid areas that are assumed to have armed people.

 

My weapon of choice is the Glock model 20 10mm. 15 rounds in the magazine and one in the pipe gives me all the ammo I should ever need.

 

I know those Glocks are accurate as sin and a damn fine gun but I'm old fashion. I can't seem to get over the square look they have. I want to get a 40 Cal Baby Desert Eagle. I really don't shoot enough to warrant another gun though.

[timesjoke]

I know those Glocks are accurate as sin and a damn fine gun but I'm old fashion. I can't seem to get over the square look they have. I want to get a 40 Cal Baby Desert Eagle. I really don't shoot enough to warrant another gun though.

 

Don't let that stop you, I own over 30 guns and some of them have had a lot of money put into them for the competitions I still attend. My best year I took 4th in combat.

[wez]

I feel far more safe living in an area surrounded by rednecks with guns who know how to use them than I would in a gun free zone.

 

 

Safer than in an area without a bunch of drunks who beat women, children and animals and carry guns???

[Old Salt]

Here's a question for you legal-types.

 

Scenario: As a civilian, you're in a gun-free zone but you're carrying. Some punk decides to start shooting, but you take him (or her) out.

 

Question: Could you be charged with manslaughter because you were disobeying a law?

[ImWithStupid]

Here's a question for you legal-types.

 

Scenario: As a civilian, you're in a gun-free zone but you're carrying. Some punk decides to start shooting, but you take him (or her) out.

 

Question: Could you be charged with manslaughter because you were disobeying a law?

 

Probably just violation of the "Gun Free Zone" law.

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Probably just violation of the "Gun Free Zone" law.

 

You would get charged with the violation but at least you wouldn't get charged with murder. It would still be self defense by defending others. Hopefully it would be a land mark case and stop these insane laws.

 

You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws, that's insane! - Pen and Teller

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This was posted on our long lost web site by whom I forget. But it is profound and dead on!

 

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