Beer vs. Weed

[wez]

You should listen to your mother. Get off the pot - they drug test for hiring nurses you know.

 

 

I'm clean.. It's been months.

 

 

 

I guess when he shows up bald for the drug test they can be sure what he has been up to.

 

Is that how they test? Hair?

 

Guess I should just do coke, heroin, crack and drink like a fish.. be out in a couple days.

[Old Salt]

I'm clean.. It's been months.

 

 

 

 

 

Is that how they test? Hair?

 

Guess I should just do coke, heroin, and crank.. be out in a couple days.

Some of the new tests will detect trace for much longer.

[wez]

Some of the new tests will detect trace for much longer.

 

 

Good lordy.. Looks like I'll have to sniff glue..

 

 

Perhaps they're unaware of my poppyseed muffin addiction..

[Old Salt]

Or gasoline. Just depends on how many brain cells you want left. Then there's always paint thinner.

[Old Salt]

Perhaps they're unaware of my poppyseed muffin addiction..

Possible false positive there.

[wez]

Or gasoline. Just depends on how many brain cells you want left. Then there's always paint thinner.

 

 

 

I got a couple billion to spare..

[atlantic]

I'm clean.. It's been months. ;

 

That may be, but possesion is still prosecutable. (hint-hint) Digital trail. Don't screw up your future for a stupid pot plant

[atlantic]

I guess when he shows up bald for the drug test they can be sure what he has been up to.

LOL, you mean like Britney

[wez]

That may be, but possesion is still prosecutable. (hint-hint) Digital trail. Don't screw up your future for a stupid pot plant

 

 

Good advice sweetie..

 

I think I will go lovingly place it back into the Earth from wence it sprang this weekend.

 

 

It's getting nice out. I'll forget all about it til I happen to spot it on a nature walk this fall by accident.

[Chi]

For the average person- alcohol (I say that because I personally don't get a good/pleasant high with weed.) Anyway, you don't see many weed-smoking related driving accidents, fights, acts of violence and asshattery as you do with alcohol abuse.

[Anna Perenna]

If beer is worse than marijuana then why is marijuana illegal?

 

I think this article might help answer that question:

 

Why is Marijuana Illegal?

 

However, that being said, the effects of marijuana on the brain can be serious:

 

HOW DOES MARIJUANA AFFECT THE BRAIN? | Serendip's Exchange

 

I've never met anyone with alcohol-induced schizophrenia ......

[hugo]

I think this article might help answer that question:

 

However, that being said, the effects of marijuana on the brain can be serious:

 

HOW DOES MARIJUANA AFFECT THE BRAIN? | Serendip's Exchange

 

 

 

I loved this comment concerning the article:

 

 

 

I smoked pot straight now since I was 13 years old Im 25 now I smoke it everyday literally through a Bong. I do not smoke well im at work but as soon as im off and for the remainder of the evening till I end up going to bed I do smoke. Now I read your page about the effects pot has on short term memory and brain function, Since I started smoking pot my asthma has vanished my grades went up in school my mind learns at quicker rates and my short term memory is far from gone There isnt much I forget about, unless it is because of my selective memory. Were the people that you tested on already marijuana smokers and also there are diff things to be taken into consideration when testing a substance for example the way it was grown marijuana has to be grown with nutrients and fertalizers to become potent enough to smoke for a high but when people use these fertilizers and such they sometimes do not leech the foods out from the plants which could lead to all kinds of bad side effects Im wondering if this kind of inforamtion is taken into consideration when giving test subjects marijuana to smoke or ingest.

 

I have no side effects other than a burnt out feeling after smoking all nite, and in teh morning of course but no brain problems like teh ones your website describes ... Chris, 7 July 2006

 

Of course, he might have been stupid at thirteen.

[Jhony5]

I've never met anyone with alcohol-induced schizophrenia ......

 

The article you posted says nothing about marijuana induced schizophrenia. It says those whom already have schizophrenia should avoid the use of marijuana as it may cause relapses. Please note the anecdotal nature of any study such as this. An eloquent combination of medical fact, big 'ol confusing words and suppositions.

 

If marijuana had any chance of causing such debilitating mental disease, I would be nuttier than squirrel sh t by now.

[wez]

I do know booze can cause dementia.. and other amnesia disorders like Korsakoff's psychosis..

 

Korsakoff?s syndrome is a condition that mainly affects chronic alcoholics. It is due to the direct effects of alcohol or to the severe nutritional deficiencies that are associated with chronic alcoholism, and has been seen in association with vitamin B deficiency. The syndrome also occurs in other severe brain disturbances, e.g. paralysis, dementia, brain damage, infections and poisonings. In chronic alcoholism the condition usually occurs following delirium tremens.

 

The syndrome is characterized by a severe memory defect, especially for recent event, for which the patient compensates by confabulation - the reciting of imaginary experiences. Psychologists working with these patients often have great problems sorting out what is truth and what is lies of what patients say - this is story-telling on a high level. Other symptoms may include delirium, anxiety, fear, depression, confusion, delusions and insomnia; painful extremities, sometimes bilateral wrist drop, more frequent bilateral foot drop with pain or pressure over the long nerves. Confabulation, a requisite for the classic syndrome, is not always present in mild conditions. With or without polyneuropathy. Korsakoff?s description of 1887 was of a case with polyneuritis.

[Chi]

It all depends how weed personally affects you. I've told this story before, but I got high at Great America once and it was HORRIBLE. I was going crazy for a while, will not do that again. And no, the weed was not laced because others smoked from the same crap and they were not wigging out like me.

 

About the memory thing, I used to live with a bunch of potheads for a while, they would smoke allll of the time, day & night. I used to have an excellent memory before then, now I'm like a freakin' Alzheimer's patient after living with those losers for a short amount of time and just breathing in the second hand smoke.

[mercury]

I've seen alcoholic dementia first hand. Massive B-12 shots sometimes helped improve symptoms.

 

I've never seen a pot head speak to kids hiding in their underwear drawer.

[hugo]

Moderation is the key.

[Jhony5]

Moderation is the key.

 

Exactly. If you drink coffee all day, every day, then you will succumb to adverse physical and mental changes. The same applies to beer, liquor and pot.

 

As to why marijuana is still illegal? I would have to say its the fact the primary vehicle for using it is smoking, and our society has this f cked up slant toward anything that people smoke. Its naughty, and of course it is our governments business to regulate anything that is "bad for ya".

[phreakwars]

I do know booze can cause dementia.. and other amnesia disorders like Korsakoff's psychosis..

 

Korsakoff’s syndrome is a condition that mainly affects chronic alcoholics. It is due to the direct effects of alcohol or to the severe nutritional deficiencies that are associated with chronic alcoholism, and has been seen in association with vitamin B deficiency. The syndrome also occurs in other severe brain disturbances, e.g. paralysis, dementia, brain damage, infections and poisonings. In chronic alcoholism the condition usually occurs following delirium tremens.

 

The syndrome is characterized by a severe memory defect, especially for recent event, for which the patient compensates by confabulation - the reciting of imaginary experiences. Psychologists working with these patients often have great problems sorting out what is truth and what is lies of what patients say - this is story-telling on a high level. Other symptoms may include delirium, anxiety, fear, depression, confusion, delusions and insomnia; painful extremities, sometimes bilateral wrist drop, more frequent bilateral foot drop with pain or pressure over the long nerves. Confabulation, a requisite for the classic syndrome, is not always present in mild conditions. With or without polyneuropathy. Korsakoff’s description of 1887 was of a case with polyneuritis.

That must be what my uncle has.

 

He was a chronic alcoholic for year, and his mind has started to go within the last 10 or so.

 

He constantly talks shiit!!

 

He lies so much he believes what he is saying. He quit drinking a couple years ago and goes to N.A. meetings all the time, and at the meetings he constantly tells these crazy stories, and I think everyone believes him too because of the way he tells them. He get so emotional about his stories too.... expressing anger and outrage for things that never happened even.

 

We were letting him live with us for a while, but I found out he was telling all these lies about me at his meetings. Telling everyone there that I smoked pot, and that I sold drugs to high school kids, and that I sold drugs to customers at the pizza place, and all kinds of messed up BS. I had no idea he was saying this crap until a friend of mine that went to a meeting told me about it.

 

I just couldn't take it anymore, I knew he had mental problems, but his trash talk caused alot of people to believe false things about me and so I had no choice but tell him he had to leave.

 

It was funny, because after I kicked him out, he went up to Iowa with other family members and totally talked trash about the reason I tossed him out. He said I beat him up and all kinds of nasty things. I just had to laugh..

 

My mom had him for a while, couldn't stand him any more, tossed him off to her sister, who then tossed him off to her daughter, who then threw him back at my mom, who tossed him to my sister where he is now staying.

 

I told my mom I don't care who he gets handed off to, just don't bring him back here because I WILL NOT take him in.

 

Ugghh... all that damn story telling he does !!

 

And he smokes 3 packs a day too. I don't smoke anymore, don't want my home smelling like tar. Can't stand that nasty smell.

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[ImWithStupid]

Exactly. If you drink coffee all day, every day, then you will succumb to adverse physical and mental changes. The same applies to beer, liquor and pot.

 

As to why marijuana is still illegal? I would have to say its the fact the primary vehicle for using it is smoking, and our society has this f cked up slant toward anything that people smoke. Its naughty, and of course it is our governments business to regulate anything that is "bad for ya".

 

The "smoking" thing may have something to do with it, but I personally think it comes down to two things.

 

First off, is fear. Fear that once something is made legal, it is nearly impossible to make it illegal again without some kind of "sundown" clause in the legislation, if for some reason legalization has unseen, negative effects.

 

Secondly, is ignorance. There are too many people with false perceptions of what marijuana really does to people. There are too many people who still have the whole, "Reefer Madness" mentality of pot. That it makes people go nuts, freak out, kill people or themselves.

[mercury]

I was going to mention the "Refer Madness" mentality. I think we may see some changes once the baby boomer crowd loses some power and Gen X steps up to take over.... but that all depends on how much power the Hearst family still holds.

 

The Hearst family (Hearst publications, Kimberly Clark) was behind a lot of the lobbying efforts making it illegal due to forestry investments and Hemp being a crop that could easily cost them huge profits with their heavy investments in forestry and wood products replacing what had historically been made of hemp.

 

Hemp was at one point a required crop for farmers.

 

I've read entries that were supposedly out of Ben Franklin's diaries writing about his crops with mention of having too many male plants or something. For hemp production, the gender of the plant doesn't matter. For smoking quality, you want only female plants. If you're growing it to smoke, you get rid of the males. The female plant, after being stripped of it's buds, is still usable for hemp, since it's the long fibers from the stems that are used for production purposes. Male plants are useless for anything but seed production and totally necessary for it.

 

Which takes us to DuPont's involvement in the illegalization process. Hemp seed oil used to be a major component in various things that petroleum products have replaced... like paints and varnishes that DuPont produces.

 

Of course, this is all information gathered through the internet, so who knows if any of it is even accurate

[Anna Perenna]

The article you posted says nothing about marijuana induced schizophrenia. It says those whom already have schizophrenia should avoid the use of marijuana as it may cause relapses. Please note the anecdotal nature of any study such as this. An eloquent combination of medical fact, big 'ol confusing words and suppositions.

 

If marijuana had any chance of causing such debilitating mental disease, I would be nuttier than squirrel sh t by now.

 

Pardon me, I never said the article mentioned marijuana-induced schizophrenia, but I can understand your assumption.

 

I probably should have made my meaning clearer (after all, your pot-addled brain needs things to be spelled out

 

I voted that alcohol is worse than marijuana, for the record.

 

And my last sentence was apropos of personal experience, not the article - my brother has marijuana-induced schizophrenia. So does my mother's best friend's ex-husband.

 

It's just a point to consider in this debate, and it hadn't been mentioned previously, so I brought it up ......

[Old Salt]

I was going to mention the "Refer Madness" mentality. I think we may see some changes once the baby boomer crowd loses some power and Gen X steps up to take over.... but that all depends on how much power the Hearst family still holds.

 

The Hearst family (Hearst publications, Kimberly Clark) was behind a lot of the lobbying efforts making it illegal due to forestry investments and Hemp being a crop that could easily cost them huge profits with their heavy investments in forestry and wood products replacing what had historically been made of hemp.

 

Hemp was at one point a required crop for farmers.

 

I've read entries that were supposedly out of Ben Franklin's diaries writing about his crops with mention of having too many male plants or something. For hemp production, the gender of the plant doesn't matter. For smoking quality, you want only female plants. If you're growing it to smoke, you get rid of the males. The female plant, after being stripped of it's buds, is still usable for hemp, since it's the long fibers from the stems that are used for production purposes. Male plants are useless for anything but seed production and totally necessary for it.

 

Which takes us to DuPont's involvement in the illegalization process. Hemp seed oil used to be a major component in various things that petroleum products have replaced... like paints and varnishes that DuPont produces.

 

Of course, this is all information gathered through the internet, so who knows if any of it is even accurate

I don't know about other states, but hemp was grown in Nebraska during WWII to help in the war effort. I seem to remember that they made rope and a couple other things out of it.

 

The lagacy being good ol' ditch weed. Frequently harvested for "other" uses.

[ImWithStupid]

I don't know about other states, but hemp was grown in Nebraska during WWII to help in the war effort. I seem to remember that they made rope and a couple other things out of it.

 

The lagacy being good ol' ditch weed. Frequently harvested for "other" uses.

 

 

Damn you, OS. There never was ditch weed, and all that stuff grown out on our farm is wild, and it isn't worth harvesting, for a profit, and not a cash crop.

 

Screw it, the DEA will never find my patch of gold.

[Jhony5]

Pardon me, I never said the article mentioned marijuana-induced schizophrenia, but I can understand your assumption.

 

I probably should have made my meaning clearer (after all, your pot-addled brain needs things to be spelled out

 

Ohhh.....takin jabs at the slow witted jhony, aye? You posted two links. Immediately following the link wherein schizophrenia and marijuana are surreptitiously linked, you said only this......

 

I've never met anyone with alcohol-induced schizophrenia ......

 

The inference was there.

 

And my last sentence was apropos of personal experience, not the article - my brother has marijuana-induced schizophrenia. So does my mother's best friend's ex-husband

 

I'm having issue with your wording today, that is for sure. There is no way that you know anyone whom suffers from schizophrenia as a result of marijuana abuse any more than you know Bigfoot. Marijuana DOES NOT induce debilitating mental disease.

 

Perhaps you know of folks whom had a preexisting and established diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia and they chose to forgo their suppressive medication in lew of self medicating with dope?

 

But you DO NOT know anyone that has schizophrenia BECAUSE they smoked too much dope.

 

What you're wandering into is a mine field of hyperbole and statistic manipulation. If you read these studies thoroughly, you will see a pattern emerge. Genetic predispositions and/or a preexisting issue with mental disorders are almost always the precursor.

 

It goes like this; "Scientists" study 100 people with diagnosed schizophrenia. 75 of these people admit to using/abusing marijuana earlier in life. Then the shark tank is leaped with reckless abandon. The conclusion is made that marijuana played a vital role in inducing schizophrenia in 75% of the cases studied.

 

Gimme any 100 people of any mental capacity of any cross section/demographic and I'll bet my check that 75% of them smoked marijuana earlier in life. Using this logic I could, by the same token, link just about any condition that my 100 people suffer with their marijuana use.

 

It's just a point to consider in this debate, and it hadn't been mentioned previously, so I brought it up ......

 

Put it to rest because I will gleefully piss on your rebuttal.

 

Consider this; When any group is requesting to study marijuana, they require government permission to do so. As the substance is illegal. Therefor, the scientific study of marijuana is controlled by those whom wish it to retain its status as an illegal and dangerous substance. Do you spot the obvious conflict here?