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Hizballah Wants Israel to Free Child-Killer

By Patrick Goodenough

CNSNews.com International Editor

July 18, 2006

 

(CNSNews.com) - The Arab prisoner that Hizballah wants Israel to release in exchange for two abducted Israeli soldiers, is serving multiple life sentences for killing a four-year-old girl with a rifle butt.

 

Samir Kuntar is one of only two or three Lebanese prisoners still held by Israel, and Hizballah said its July 12 assault is aimed at winning his freedom.

 

The terrorists killed eight Israeli soldiers and seized Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, taking them back over the border. Their whereabouts and condition remain unknown.

 

The Shi'ite group dubbed the raid Operation True Promise (Al-Wa'ad Al-Sadeq), saying it was making good on an earlier pledge to continue to capture Israeli soldiers and use them to obtain the release of the remaining Lebanese in Israeli jails.

 

Since the raid, the conflict has escalated, with Israel launching an air assault on Lebanese infrastructure and Hizballah targets and Hizballah firing hundreds of missiles into Israel.

 

The fighting and loss of life have swung some attention away from the hostage issue, and Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah said in an address late last week that "the battle today is no longer a battle over prisoners or the exchange of prisoners."

 

Nonetheless, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said during a televised address to the nation Monday night that he kept photographs of Goldwasser and Regev - along with one of another soldier, Gilad Shalit, kidnapped by Hamas in a June raid across the Gaza-Israel frontier - on his desk as a daily reminder of his mission.

 

"We will do everything in our power to ensure their safe release and bring them back home," he said.

 

In past years, Israel has succeeded in winning freedom for captured soldiers, or the return of missing soldiers' remains, but only by negotiating exchanges involving large numbers of Arab prisoners.

 

In the most recent of these highly controversial swaps, in January 2004, Israel handed over more than 400 Lebanese and Palestinian detainees in return for one Israeli businessman and the bodies of three soldiers abducted along the Lebanon border in 2000.

 

That exchange left just two Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails - Kuntar and a man named Nasim Nesser. (Lebanon claims a third man, named as Yehya Sekaf, is also being held, although Israel denies this.)

 

Lebanese media refer to Kuntar as the "dean" of Lebanese prisoners in Israel. He has been in prison for 28 years, and Hizballah wants him out.

 

Although Kuntar was jailed for an attack launched by a Lebanon-based Palestinian terrorist group before Hizballah was even established, Hizballah depicts itself as the vanguard of the Islamic campaign against Israel and regards winning freedom for the prisoners a "sacred duty."

 

A website set up by family members says Kuntar was jailed "for killing several Israelis in a raid on northern Israel."

 

Israeli media and eyewitness accounts of the incident provide much more detail. Kuntar was one of a four-man group that crossed into Israel by sea, sent on the mission by the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), an affiliate of Yasser Arafat's PLO.

 

In the coastal town of Nahariya, the terrorists shot dead a policeman and forced their way into an apartment building, where they captured Danny Haran and his daughter, Einat, 4.

 

While the terrorists rampaged through the apartment, firing weapons and detonating grenades, Haran's wife Smadar hid in a crawlspace above the couple's bedroom together with their other daughter, two-year-old Yael, and a neighbor.

 

In an effort to prevent Yael from crying out and alerting the terrorists to their whereabouts, Smadar kept her hand over the child's mouth, and accidentally smothered her to death.

 

Meanwhile Kuntar and his group took Danny and Einat Haran to the beach.

 

"There, according to eyewitnesses, one of them shot Danny in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see," Smadar wrote later.

 

"Then he smashed my little girl's skull in against a rock with his rifle butt. That terrorist was Samir Kuntar."

 

Strategic mistake

 

Israeli police shot dead two of the terrorists. Kuntar and the remaining man were tried and imprisoned. The other man was released as part of a May 1985 prisoner exchange - 1,150 Arab terrorists for three Israeli prisoners-of-war held in Lebanon - but Kuntar was not included in the deal.

 

Several months later, the PLF seized the Achille Lauro, an Italian cruise ship, demanding that Israel release Kuntar, along with other Palestinian prisoners. The hijackers killed a wheelchair-bound American Jewish passenger, Leon Klinghoffer.

 

Kuntar remains in jail and has been hailed as a hero among Israel's enemies. The Palestinian Authority last March announced it was giving the Lebanese-born prisoner honorary Palestinian citizenship.

 

Hizballah repeatedly has agitated for the release of Kuntar, and after the January 2004 prisoner exchange, vowed not to rest until it had done so.

 

Addressing a large Shi'ite gathering last February, Nasrallah declared: "We are working on making this year the year to free our brothers in Israeli detention - Samir Kantar and his friends."

 

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has made it clear that Israel will not back down this time - but so has Nasrallah.

 

At a press conference in Beirut's southern suburbs last week, reported on Hizballah's website, he said of the Israelis: "What do they want us to do? Hand over the soldiers and apologize? What kind of world are they living in?"

 

Israelis remember the huge controversy sparked by the 2004 prisoner exchange, brokered by Germany.

 

An opinion poll by the Ma'ariv daily found the country split down the center - 44 percent of respondents favored the exchange while 43 percent were opposed.

 

As the debate raged, Ely Karmon of the Institute for Counter-Terrorism wrote that it would be a strategic mistake.

 

"Hizballah will be strengthened politically, psychologically and, in the final analysis, strategically, too. It will strengthen Hizballah inside Lebanon, in the Palestinian arena, and in the Muslim world, and thereby turn it into a model for admiration and imitation."

 

Rabbi David Golinkin, president of the Schechter Institute of Jewish Studies in Jerusalem, associated with the Jewish Conservative movement, commented on the "lopsided" prisoner exchange from a religious perspective.

 

After exploring the Jewish concept of "pidyon shvuyim" (the redemption of captives) and arguments by scholars about the value of life and the importance of ransoming those held captive, he concluded that "the public takes precedence over the individual, even if this endangers the individual."

 

"Exchanging hundreds or thousands of terrorists for one Israeli encourages kidnapping of Israelis, and frees hundreds or thousands of terrorists who will pick up their weapons and attack Israel," Golinkin said.

 

"In other words, it endangers the public and should not be done."

 

The religion of piece...pieces of shit.

[Hamza123]

I wouldn't say Islam is hated in the world... Only in a primitive mind of hate is faith hated.

 

If Samir Kuntar should be held accountable for the horrible crimes he committed.

 

Why is it that nobody thinks of Houda and her family ??

 

I forgot... Palestinian blood isn't worth as much as Israeli blood.

 

She is crying over her father's dead body screaming, "Please do not leave me alone!"

 

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[Vortex]

am I the only one who is tired of the phrase "why america, islam, christianity, the middle east, and israel etc" is so hated?!?!?

 

Both are pissed off at the other...and both will never win at this battle because they have "faith" on thier side and that is all that they need.

 

 

sheesh..

 

If israel and the rest of the middle east got a clue they would forgive everything and share the land and make some big "holy center" and allow both faiths to flourish!!...it would be some HUUUUGEEE tourist attraction that all blind followers would KILL to go visit..........the revenue on tourism would support both religions.

 

but no....each seems to think they are correct...both cant get passed that the other just "might" be correct...so we have all this debating and hate for, frankly, no good reason..

 

personally...i hate both of them. On one hand im living in a christian controlled nation (if you dont believe that then you are QUITE nieve)...where their influence in politics is quite large to keep me with all rights except one...oh and to make it okay to keep me shunned ...etc.....

 

....then you have the middle east, the heart of islam, where someone like me is jailed and then executed..

 

then..hey, both of your "peace religions" have something to learn about loving your neighbor...or whatever is being taught!

 

 

and now for a prayer..

 

"...dear heavenly father of GF(bob)...and the rest of the celestial bodies up above. Namely; God, Allah, Zeus, Bob (again), Thor, Mohammad, Chupacabra, Booze, Madonna, Kiss.....whomever anyone prays too, basically......

 

Please please pleasae can we have another section of debate where only religion can be discussed?!?!?!?! Because that seems to be the primary focus of GF.com!!!!!!!!!! And some of us dont want to see this topic displayed in EVERY SINGLE area of the forum. ...It is ok for it to be discussed...but it shoudlnt spring up in all areas (from new members...to spam)

 

I think it is time to open up a new area of discussion devoted to just this crap topic!!...and apparently a worthy enough topic to make its own section..otherwise we are going to be known as the "religious debate forum"...and thats not what you found the place for, oh heavanly father, you founded it for us to rant....rave...and debate about what pisses us off! Yes religion is a big part of that..but NOW ...more than ever....oh blessed one (Bob)...we need a seperate section just for this topic..and this topic alone.

 

I dont want us to be pigeon-holed..........please...someone..anyone up there help me...help us!..We need it

[snafu]

sheesh..

 

If israel and the rest of the middle east got a clue they would forgive everything and share the land and make some big "holy center" and allow both faiths to flourish!!...it would be some HUUUUGEEE tourist attraction that all blind followers would KILL to go visit..........the revenue on tourism would support both religions.

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Vorty vorty vorty....

 

Haven’t you been watching and reading? We’re talking about a religion that wants YOU DEAD!!!! Not a state or country or even a continent. These are people that don’t want to sit down and talk peace.

This is the same as Hitler and Germany. There is no difference. It’s not between Christians and Muslims. It’s fanatics hell bent on Everybodies death that aren’t of their form of Islam. I don’t know how to make that any clearer.

I'm dead serious! You need to wake up.

Koombaya in arabic ain't gonna help.

[smutt butt]

BELIEVE IN ISLAM OR..................

 

 

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[Hamza123]

Oh smutt, I am so sure the 6 million Muslims in the USA are out to behead every single Christian just for not being Muslim...

[Lethalfind]

am I the only one who is tired of the phrase "why america, islam, christianity, the middle east, and israel etc" is so hated?!?!?

 

Both are pissed off at the other...and both will never win at this battle because they have "faith" on thier side and that is all that they need.

 

 

sheesh..

 

If israel and the rest of the middle east got a clue they would forgive everything and share the land and make some big "holy center" and allow both faiths to flourish!!...it would be some HUUUUGEEE tourist attraction that all blind followers would KILL to go visit..........the revenue on tourism would support both religions.

 

but no....each seems to think they are correct...both cant get passed that the other just "might" be correct...so we have all this debating and hate for, frankly, no good reason..

 

personally...i hate both of them. On one hand im living in a christian controlled nation (if you dont believe that then you are QUITE nieve)...where their influence in politics is quite large to keep me with all rights except one...oh and to make it okay to keep me shunned ...etc.....

 

....then you have the middle east, the heart of islam, where someone like me is jailed and then executed..

 

then..hey, both of your "peace religions" have something to learn about loving your neighbor...or whatever is being taught!

 

 

and now for a prayer..

 

"...dear heavenly father of GF(bob)...and the rest of the celestial bodies up above. Namely; God, Allah, Zeus, Bob (again), Thor, Mohammad, Chupacabra, Booze, Madonna, Kiss.....whomever anyone prays too, basically......

 

Please please pleasae can we have another section of debate where only religion can be discussed?!?!?!?! Because that seems to be the primary focus of GF.com!!!!!!!!!! And some of us dont want to see this topic displayed in EVERY SINGLE area of the forum. ...It is ok for it to be discussed...but it shoudlnt spring up in all areas (from new members...to spam)

 

I think it is time to open up a new area of discussion devoted to just this crap topic!!...and apparently a worthy enough topic to make its own section..otherwise we are going to be known as the "religious debate forum"...and thats not what you found the place for, oh heavanly father, you founded it for us to rant....rave...and debate about what pisses us off! Yes religion is a big part of that..but NOW ...more than ever....oh blessed one (Bob)...we need a seperate section just for this topic..and this topic alone.

 

I dont want us to be pigeon-holed..........please...someone..anyone up there help me...help us!..We need it

 

That is too bad that people can't live and let live unfortunately the nature of the fundamentalist is that they are the only ones who know the truth and all must obey, what utter arrogance...Muslims blow up the infidels, Christians HAVE to beat the bible every chance they get and drive us all nuts with their bullshit.

[Hamza123]

Pointing the finger at Islam hurts Muslims everywhere. You ask why Moderate Muslims are reluctant to join the fight over extremism but you are really hurting them!!

 

Why do you listen to Bush? You share his opinion simply because he said it.

 

Read the Qur'an than make a judgement, or don't make one at all. It just makes you look stupid.

 

Any Islamophobic person I have met just has never gotten to know a Muslim person...

[Lethalfind]

Pointing the finger at Islam hurts Muslims everywhere. You ask why Moderate Muslims are reluctant to join the fight over extremism but you are really hurting them!!

 

Why do you listen to Bush? You share his opinion simply because he said it.

 

Read the Qur'an than make a judgement, or don't make one at all. It just makes you look stupid.

 

Any Islamophobic person I have met just has never gotten to know a Muslim person...

 

I hope your not talking too me because Bush didn't form my opinion on Muslims Extremists. I remember back in 1980 when our people were taken hostage by geuss who.....Muslims Extremists, I remember when a plane was hijacked, they made the German stewardess gather the passports and tell them what names were Jewish so they could start killing them, OH I forgot, that was AFTER they had killed an American Service man and tossed his body out the window of the cockpit for the world too see...ALL of this WELL before Bush happened on the scene in any meaningful way...PLEASE lets not have to trot out that list that Builder posted of all the Muslim terrorist activity since I think it was 1960 something to remind you this is not a recent problem...this just keeps going on and on and on...

 

I am not phobic about just Islamic people, I am phobic about any person who follows a fundamentalist religion, who believe violence is the answer...people who can't think for themselves, people who value life SO little they will blow themselves up in the HOPES that they will take someone with them.

 

I watched a program called MSNBC Investigates...they went to Isreal and spoke to Muslims terrorists who had managed to FUCK UP the suicide bombing mission they were sent on...You just have to laugh at that don't you?? Isreal would be totally justified in standing them all up against a wall and blowing them away...but there they sit in prison instead...These men were picked out at a normal mosque, offered huge sums (by their standards) to commit these crimes, of course saying their families would be given the money after their successful missions...

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PLEASE lets not have to trot out that list that Builder posted of all the Muslim terrorist activity since I think it was 1960 something to remind you this is not a recent problem...this just keeps going on and on and on...

 

 

What list???????

 

I remember back in 1980 when our people were taken hostage by geuss who.....Muslims Extremists

 

The hostage crisis was enacted by student militia, not mainstream islamists. Remember also, the reasons for the action. Iran's democratically elected President, Time Magazine's Man of the Year, Dr. Mahommed Mossadegh, was oustered by a joint CIA/MI5 covert operation, that saw the implantation of the despotic Shah of Iran, who ruthlessly and murderously controlled the Iranians, no less violently than that other CIA puppet, Saddam Hussein.

 

The difference with Mossedegh's overthrow was that Britain fooled the US gov into the action with misinformation. The Brits didn't cop any flak, however, because the US was the overt ruler of Iran, up until the military coup that regained Iran for Iranians. That's twenty years of despotic rule, by a puppet regime, with the US gov as chief string-pullers.

 

Funny how people revolt against such trivial offenses as regime change and despotic murderous rulers, isn't it?

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Pointing the finger at Islam hurts Muslims everywhere. You ask why Moderate Muslims are reluctant to join the fight over extremism but you are really hurting them!!

 

Why do you listen to Bush? You share his opinion simply because he said it.

 

Read the Qur'an than make a judgement, or don't make one at all. It just makes you look stupid.

 

Any Islamophobic person I have met just has never gotten to know a Muslim person...

Moderate muslims back Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al-Queda... what the fuck? Islam IS the enemy!

[Lethalfind]

What list???????

 

 

 

The hostage crisis was enacted by student militia, not mainstream islamists. Remember also, the reasons for the action. Iran's democratically elected President, Time Magazine's Man of the Year, Dr. Mahommed Mossadegh, was oustered by a joint CIA/MI5 covert operation, that saw the implantation of the despotic Shah of Iran, who ruthlessly and murderously controlled the Iranians, no less violently than that other CIA puppet, Saddam Hussein.

 

The difference with Mossedegh's overthrow was that Britain fooled the US gov into the action with misinformation. The Brits didn't cop any flak, however, because the US was the overt ruler of Iran, up until the military coup that regained Iran for Iranians. That's twenty years of despotic rule, by a puppet regime, with the US gov as chief string-pullers.

 

Funny how people revolt against such trivial offenses as regime change and despotic murderous rulers, isn't it?

 

Some time ago in a similar thread you found a list of terrorist events and posted it...I wish I could remember the thread now so I could resurrect it.

[builder]

You're dreaming. I posted no such list. Hugo posted a couple.

 

Get your facts straight. Wench.