Uncle Child Molestor Loses It, Threatens In A Frothing Rage To Go RL!

June 19, 2008

Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

news:4iri549br89omq64k02d4ri2vpv6d6f394@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:48 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>

>>> Uh huh, you just magically stumbled upon a random thread in a

>>> random, hole in the wall, incredibly obscure gaming Webbie board from

>>> A FUCKING YEAR AGO...wow...boy you REALLY didn't think this one

>>> through too well, didja Greggles?

>

>>You wrote to the guy's client. WTF were you thinking?

>

> That he scammed them, fucked them over, commited fraud, lied to them,

> etc, etc.

PPOSTFU

Free cl00, MORON, fraud is ILLEGAL, at least here in the

> states it is.

Then why didn't you just call the cops and let them handle it?

>>> Next tiam try harder to NOT look

>>> liak a complete fuckin Hatter Addict whose running Google searches on

>>> my nyme day and night.

>

>>Everyone is going to be googling you now to see what other totally

>>fuckheaded things you've done, you insane, real-lifing, slimebucket.

>

> Again, there's a BIG difference between that and letting someone know

> that they've been a victim of fraud...not that a raving fuckin

> lunakook like YOU would be able to tell the difference.

Nor do you, apparently, since the email of yours in that thread doesn't

mention fraud. It basically just says you think their website sucks.

>>> Concerning that thread, this is my favorite post (I fixed the typos):

>>> "You should feel honored that we've all put so much time and effort

in

>>> to laming you in this thread."

>>>

>>> ...quite frankly, I'm not really honored at all so much as baffled as

>>> to why someone would sacrifice their entire meandering little stain

of

>>> a life just to froth in idiocy over ME of all people.

>

>>He shoulda sued you for tortious interference.

>

> Yeah because that wouldn't have been completely fuckin retarded.

[pitysnipped incoherent rambling]

Feel free to repost that in a way that makes an ounce of sense to normal

people, froth boi.

>>> Oh, BTW, Greggles, I know yer liak uber stupid and all, so you can't

>>> really tell the difference, but really, there's liak a gawd damn

>>> nuclear EXPLOSION of difference between going RL on someone because

>>> they made you all butthurtz and going RL on someone because they're a

>>> criminal who's committing fraud. For spankards liak you who always

>>> need to change yer nyme from too much butthurtz, yeah I guess you see

>>> trolling, UPA and the art of making you a pants pissing little emo

>>> whiner to be of a criminal act, huh Greggles?

>

>>Criminal act?

>

> Yeah, criminal act, you fuckin idiot.

So which law enforcement organization did you report it to? Crimes have

to be reported, you know. Got a case number or something?

>>> Oh hey, Greggles, make sure you call using a pay phone, you wouldn't

>>> want to inadvertantly out yerself in the process of proving to people

>>> what a terminal fucking Hatter you ar. LOL

>

>>Freudian slip there, Mattie?

>

> ...I don't think you know what that means, Rhonda.

Oh, so you were just so filled with excruciating butthurt over this fun

li'l party that you couldn't form a decent English sentence. Got it.

June 19, 2008

On 18 Jun 2008 21:08:12 GMT, gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:

>Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

>news:4iri549br89omq64k02d4ri2vpv6d6f394@4ax.com:

>

>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:48 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

>> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>>

>>>> Uh huh, you just magically stumbled upon a random thread in a

>>>> random, hole in the wall, incredibly obscure gaming Webbie board from

>>>> A FUCKING YEAR AGO...wow...boy you REALLY didn't think this one

>>>> through too well, didja Greggles?

>>

>>>You wrote to the guy's client. WTF were you thinking?

>>

>> That he scammed them, fucked them over, commited fraud, lied to them,

>> etc, etc.

>

>PPO<COCK SLAP>

Yer done now, Greggles, put it down. Go Google dive for something

else to obsess over you terminal Hatter Addict. Yeesh, what a fuckin

lunakook, raving the fuck on about some posts I made around a YEAR

ago, threatening me with lawsuits, frothing in rage about how some

poser class dipshit fraud artist is somehow a "professional"...tha

fuck...I think Gregs been sampling the drain cleaner again...and

possibly the anti-freeze as well.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter

mhm ? x ?

http://www.backwater-productions.net

http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes

-------------

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the

best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you

with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my

bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity

of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct

that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others

of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start

creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that

they're just born with a soul. snicker ...yeah, like they're just

givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.

So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,

to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly

horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip

their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand

sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible

images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even

properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,

endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you

don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton

tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a

function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.

Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast

indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,

gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

June 19, 2008

Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

news:1f6j54hp9i68bh69mpl4vmqqs7rda94afu@4ax.com:

> On 18 Jun 2008 21:08:12 GMT, gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:

>

>>Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

>>news:4iri549br89omq64k02d4ri2vpv6d6f394@4ax.com:

>>

>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:48 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

>>> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>> Uh huh, you just magically stumbled upon a random thread in a

>>>>> random, hole in the wall, incredibly obscure gaming Webbie board from

>>>>> A FUCKING YEAR AGO...wow...boy you REALLY didn't think this one

>>>>> through too well, didja Greggles?

>>>

>>>>You wrote to the guy's client. WTF were you thinking?

>>>

>>> That he scammed them, fucked them over, commited fraud, lied to them,

>>> etc, etc.

>>

>>PPOSTFU<COCK SLAP>

>

> Yer done now, Greggles, put it down.

The foam-tank finally empty? That's hardly surprising, since you've been

spewing nonstop for like two or three full days now.

SPANK

June 19, 2008

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:48 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>

>>> Uh huh, you just magically stumbled upon a random thread in a

>>> random, hole in the wall, incredibly obscure gaming Webbie board

>>> from A FUCKING YEAR AGO...wow...boy you REALLY didn't think this one

>>> through too well, didja Greggles?

>

>> You wrote to the guy's client. WTF were you thinking?

>

> That he scammed them, fucked them over, commited fraud, lied to them,

> etc, etc.

Fraud has a very specific definition, Mattie.

So does libel.

Reid 1, Hatter 0

> Free cl00, MORON, fraud is ILLEGAL, at least here in the

> states it is. If you make a deal with a client and promise them

> UNIQUE content that's all their own, only to be delivered cookie

> cutter bullshit that YOU DIDN'T MAKE...yeah...that's fucking fraud,

> you MORON!

See above.

> Essentially, by your logic, if you knew someone online was a

>

>>> Next tiam try harder to NOT look

>>> liak a complete fuckin Hatter Addict whose running Google searches

>>> on my nyme day and night.

>

>> Everyone is going to be googling you now to see what other totally

>> fuckheaded things you've done, you insane, real-lifing, slimebucket.

>

> This from the real-lifing, insane, slimebucket who supports going RL

> on people for butt hurtz and trying to froth off lies in order to get

> "revenve" against them for hurting yer wittle feewings.

Um...Mattie, I do not support going real life on anyone. I did, however,

once take defensive measures against someone who went real life on me.

> Again, there's a BIG difference between that and letting someone know

> that they've been a victim of fraud...not that a raving fuckin

> lunakook like YOU would be able to tell the difference.

Maybe next time you should talk to a lawyer first.

>>> Concerning that thread, this is my favorite post (I fixed the

>>> typos): "You should feel honored that we've all put so much time

>>> and effort in to laming you in this thread."

>>>

>>> ...quite frankly, I'm not really honored at all so much as baffled

>>> as to why someone would sacrifice their entire meandering little

>>> stain of a life just to froth in idiocy over ME of all people.

>

>> He shoulda sued you for tortious interference.

>

> Yeah because that wouldn't have been completely fuckin retarded.

> Anyone is perfectly free to contact any potential client, tell them

> what's wrong with their shit, and then offer them the services to fix

> the shit.

So you cruise the net looking for ways to undermine people?

What a life you live.

> The only seperating factor is goal. If you're doing it for

> revenge cause you got the verbal butthurtz real bad...yeah, yer a

> fuckhead, plain and simple. But if you're doing it with the genuine

> intent to HELP the company in question because they obviously got

> taken in by a scam artist, then it's perfectly peachy.

Right.

Apparently, though, the person you contacted wasn't interested in your

services.

> At that point,

> it's really NOT about the scam artist, it's about their client that

> they fucked over. As I recall, in the emails I sent to his clients, I

> never even mentioned him specifically in any way, I simply gave a

> straight up, direct critique of their sites...a service which normally

> runs for upwards of $200 to $300 that I gave them for free. And it's

> not liak his is a unique case, I email companies ALL THE TIME to

> critique their shit, 99% of the time having no idea who the original

> designer or designers are. And further, even moar will actively post

> to ADG directly ASKING ME for that level of critique of their sites.

> Simply put, that scam artist didn't liak getting exposed as a scam

> artist, so he tried to make it personal, he tried to make it about

> him, when really he never even entered into the equation originally.

> Again, he was NEVER mentioned by name, directly or indirectly in the

> emails I sent to his clients.

Jesus.

>>> Oh, BTW, Greggles, I know yer liak uber stupid and all, so you can't

>>> really tell the difference, but really, there's liak a gawd damn

>>> nuclear EXPLOSION of difference between going RL on someone because

>>> they made you all butthurtz and going RL on someone because they're

>>> a criminal who's committing fraud. For spankards liak you who

>>> always need to change yer nyme from too much butthurtz, yeah I

>>> guess you see trolling, UPA and the art of making you a pants

>>> pissing little emo whiner to be of a criminal act, huh Greggles?

>

>> Criminal act?

>

> Yeah, criminal act, you fuckin idiot. There are no shortage of scam

> artist "designers" on the web lying to clients and selling them cookie

> cutter bullshit on the promise of unique designs. Such situations

> often result in rather incredible lawsuits when one company suddenly

> see's another company with the same site as theirs. Rather than find

> out if they were scammed by the designer they'll often ASSume that the

> other company simply ripped them off and then they'll waste thousands,

> even hundreds of thousands of dollars on a lawsuit that'll eventually

> prove they both got suckered.

Cite?

What I mean is, do you have an example? I've actually seen some examples

of copyright and trademark infringement in this area, and I believe

you're talking out your ass.

> Of course you support going RL on people for the verbal butthurtz they

> inflict upon you, so I guess it wouldn't be much of a stretch to

> assume that you also support scam artists and frauds.

>

>>> Oh hey, Greggles, make sure you call using a pay phone, you wouldn't

>>> want to inadvertantly out yerself in the process of proving to

>>> people what a terminal fucking Hatter you ar. LOL

>

>> Freudian slip there, Mattie?

>

> ...I don't think you know what that means, Rhonda. rolls eyes

Re-read that last line, Mattie. The one immediately above my comment on

your Freudian slip. Slowly.

--

Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will

scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will

refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something

which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he

will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is

explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell

June 19, 2008

gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:

>"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <nimue@databasix.com> wrote in news:g3bf3n$52f$1

>@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

>

>> gregvk wrote:

>>> Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

>>> news:cgci545j9mkgmk2pvsstfj10dllcp2p84a@4ax.com:

>>>

>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:18:19 -0700, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Maddies easily trolled, fyi

>>>>

>>>> Jus trollin gov, honest he was! It's cute that he has to have you

>>>> defend his frothing RL rage.

>>>

>>> Speaking of which, I stumbled across some web-rage yesterday. That's

>>> not at all unusual, as all web forums are chock full of butthurt, but

>>> then I took a closer look at the first post and realized that I found

>>> something special.

>>>

>>> Get a load of this:

>>>

>>> http://tinyurl.com/54kv79

>>

>> Wow. Just wow.

>>

>>> ...Jesus, tubby, it's getting so that it's almost impossible to surf

>>> the web without tripping over your fuckheadedness. That first post

>>> is a true gem, and provides some very interesting insight into the

>>> depths to which you are willing to lower youself.

>>>

>>> [cue the usual "Hatter Addict" screeching]

>>

>> Uncle Monster is wrong. This is not childish behavior, it's NPD or

>> something eerily like it. <cue Sam Vaknin>

>>

>> Whatta whack job.

>

>Somewhere out there is an unknown shrink who

Congratulations, you sucked in Rhonduh.

--

"Substantiation that you regard yourself as a God to be worhsipped [sic]

should be your concern, Deco."

-- David Tholen

June 19, 2008

On 19 Jun 2008 00:38:15 GMT, gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:

>Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

>news:1f6j54hp9i68bh69mpl4vmqqs7rda94afu@4ax.com:

>

>> On 18 Jun 2008 21:08:12 GMT, gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:

>>

>>>Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

>>>news:4iri549br89omq64k02d4ri2vpv6d6f394@4ax.com:

>>>

>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:48 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

>>>> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>> Uh huh, you just magically stumbled upon a random thread in a

>>>>>> random, hole in the wall, incredibly obscure gaming Webbie board from

>>>>>> A FUCKING YEAR AGO...wow...boy you REALLY didn't think this one

>>>>>> through too well, didja Greggles?

>>>>

>>>>>You wrote to the guy's client. WTF were you thinking?

>>>>

>>>> That he scammed them, fucked them over, commited fraud, lied to them,

>>>> etc, etc.

>>>

>>>PPOSTFU<COCK SLAP>

>>

>> Yer done now, Greggles, put it down.

>

>The fo<COCK SLAP>

How's the law suit coming, Greggles?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter

mhm ? x ?

http://www.backwater-productions.net

http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes

-------------

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the

best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you

with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my

bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity

of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct

that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others

of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start

creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that

they're just born with a soul. snicker ...yeah, like they're just

givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.

So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,

to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly

horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip

their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand

sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible

images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even

properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,

endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you

don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton

tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a

function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.

Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast

indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,

gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

June 19, 2008

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:07:13 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:18:19 -0700, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>

> wrote:

>

>>On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:24:33 +0000, gregvk wrote:

>>

>>> Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

>>> news:1l6g54544mghcda09sugq9sbeerf3go3go@4ax.com:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You'd think that MallWart would be concerned about their employees

>>>>>> mental health issues.

>>>>>>

>>>>>Do you think WallMart should be warned about an employee

>>>>>who might go postal at any moment? What would happen if

>>>>>the management were to see the nut job's writings? It's

>>>>>obvious from his posts that there is something very wrong

>>>>>with him. Perhaps our sense of civic duty should prod us

>>>>>into action to prevent any harm to innocent people by

>>>>>warning WallMart about Obviously Mental Hatter?

>>>>

>>>> You should get right on that, Child Molestor. Go on and show everyone

>>>> just how much you're "really ignoring" me by going all crazy stupid

>>>> stalker and calling up my employer in a froth to tell them about how

>>>> your Usenet posts (be sure to mention the name Usenet so you'll really

>>>> tip them off to what a raving lunakook you are) somehow PROEV! that

>>>> I'm a mean 'ol bastage who went and hurt yer virtual feewing and made

>>>> you so butthurtz you just HAD to try and go RL!

>>>>

>>>> nods

>>>>

>>>> Oh yeah, THAT sure won't make you look like a complete fuckin retard

>>>> completely obsessed with me (online and off). Do be sure and try to

>>>> explain (for the thousandth time now) how you're not REALLY a Hatter

>>>> Addict and how you're REALLY actually ignoring me and how you're not

>>>> REALLY actually a frothing lunatic with endless butthurtz. I'm sure

>>>> you'll be able to convince EVERYBODY this time.

>>>>

>>>> PS - doesn't this sort of kook behavior liak auto-nominate the

>>>> pedophile for some kind of stAUKer award? I guess maybe those roolies

>>>> don't count though if the spankard kook in question is frothing in

>>>> idiocy over me though, after all, the stAUKers don't much like dat

>>>> mean 'ol Mad Hatter. ^__^

>>>

>>> Nice froth.

>>>

>>> It really scares the fucking shit out of you when there's talk of

>>> linking your OL shit with your IRL world, huh. LOL

>>

>>Maddies easily trolled, fyi

>

> Jus trollin gov, honest he was! It's cute that he has to have you

> defend his frothing RL rage. It must be REALLY embarrassing when one

> of yer own (a Hatter hater) goes and says something so incredibly

> stupid that it really just puts flares up all around the sad fact that

> all you drooling lackwits are terminally fucking obsessed with

> everything "me". Hence your little "need" to defend the chromosomal

> deficient.

>

Thats pretty funny coming from a guy who speaks of himself in the third

person.

--

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/15347

June 19, 2008

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:04:15 +0000, gregvk wrote:

> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <nimue@databasix.com> wrote in news:g3bf3n$52f$1

> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

>

>> gregvk wrote:

>>> Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

>>> news:cgci545j9mkgmk2pvsstfj10dllcp2p84a@4ax.com:

>>>

>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:18:19 -0700, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Maddies easily trolled, fyi

>>>>

>>>> Jus trollin gov, honest he was! It's cute that he has to have you

>>>> defend his frothing RL rage.

>>>

>>> Speaking of which, I stumbled across some web-rage yesterday. That's

>>> not at all unusual, as all web forums are chock full of butthurt, but

>>> then I took a closer look at the first post and realized that I found

>>> something special.

>>>

>>> Get a load of this:

>>>

>>> http://tinyurl.com/54kv79

>>

>> Wow. Just wow.

>>

>>> ...Jesus, tubby, it's getting so that it's almost impossible to surf

>>> the web without tripping over your fuckheadedness. That first post

>>> is a true gem, and provides some very interesting insight into the

>>> depths to which you are willing to lower youself.

>>>

>>> [cue the usual "Hatter Addict" screeching]

>>

>> Uncle Monster is wrong. This is not childish behavior, it's NPD or

>> something eerily like it. <cue Sam Vaknin>

>>

>> Whatta whack job.

>

> Somewhere out there is an unknown shrink who is destined for greatness.

> One day fate will cross his path with Matty's. Several years of analysis

> and research will follow, culminating in a landmark paper that will

> define a whole new mental condition: Raging Moron/Asshole Disorder. For

> many years afterward, the shrink's name will be uttered in the same

> breath as the likes of Freud, Jung and Skinner.

The first line of that email is true sigfile material; "Friends are only

enemies that don't have the guts to kill you..."

Thats a real paranoic attitude with a side of persecution if I ever saw

one

Poor kid.

--

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/15347

June 19, 2008

In alt.flame The 2-Belo <the2belo@msd.bigremovethislobe.ne.jp> wrote:

> We have a report from the alt.flame Dynamics Officer that Onideus Mad Hatter has

> exploded. Flight director confirms that:

>>On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:07:35 +0900, The 2-Belo

>><the2belo@msd.bigREMOVETHISlobe.ne.jp> wrote:

>>

>>>We have a report from the alt.flame Dynamics Officer that Onideus Mad Hatter has

>>>exploded. Flight director confirms that:

>>>

>>>>I'm a mean 'ol bastage who went and hurt yer virtual feewing and made

>>>>you so butthurtz you just HAD to try and go RL!

>>>

>>>Maybe you'll get lucky, Ludbunski, and he'll just stop at "outing yer docs".

>>

>>...what?

> LET'S GIVE HIM A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE!

belch

--

alt.flame Special Forces

"Enemy -- SP (Suppressive Person) Order. Fair Game. May be deprived of

property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline

of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."

-- L. Ron Hubbard, "Fair Game Doctrine"

June 19, 2008

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:04:04 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

<nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:48 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

>> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>>

>>>> Uh huh, you just magically stumbled upon a random thread in a

>>>> random, hole in the wall, incredibly obscure gaming Webbie board

>>>> from A FUCKING YEAR AGO...wow...boy you REALLY didn't think this one

>>>> through too well, didja Greggles?

>>

>>> You wrote to the guy's client. WTF were you thinking?

>> That he scammed them, fucked them over, commited fraud, lied to them,

>> etc, etc.

>Fraud has a very specific definition, Mattie.

Yeah which you don't seem to grasp...at all. Not that it comes as a

surprise, it's not as if you're involved with any industry on that

level. As a free lancing graphic artist and web designer I deal with

those sorts of laws on, literarily, a daily basis. You have to be

VERY careful how you word your contracts, because otherwise you can

get yerself into a whole world of shit. I've seen some morons who

will advertise something liak, "unlimited revisions!" only to wind up

severely fucked when a company actually calls them on it and starts

sending them work to "revise" on a daily basis. You also have to be

careful regarding ownership of the content, for example they might

have something in their contract that if you make something for them

that they own exclusive rights to it, which wouldn't be good if it was

a concept or design that you wanted to be able to sell to others (ala

Bill Gates DOS style). Emails also act as binding contracts so you

REALLY have to watch yer Ps and Qs when emailing clients, because if

you accidentally promise them something, yeah, you can't go back on it

later. And liak all that, if you promise a client that you're

constructing ORIGINAL content for them, then you had BETTER not be

simply reselling them a prefab cookie cutter template you bitched off

some freebie site. Otherwise it's FRAUD, you stupid fuckjob.

>So does libel.

It can't be libel unless the person in question is mentioned directly,

and even then in order for it to be libel it would have to NOT fall

under fair use laws regarding satire and it would have to be UNTRUE.

It's not libel if it's the truth, you fuckin retard. Tha fuck...how

fuckin stupid are you?

>Reid 0, Hatter 1

Fixed yer typos.

>> Free cl00, MORON, fraud is ILLEGAL, at least here in the

>> states it is. If you make a deal with a client and promise them

>> UNIQUE content that's all their own, only to be delivered cookie

>> cutter bullshit that YOU DIDN'T MAKE...yeah...that's fucking fraud,

>> you MORON!

>See above.

If you were right why didn't he take his tweenage muppet fuck

e-lawyers "advice" and sue me? I mean by your retardation of

comprehension he should have won EASILY, open and shut case...too bad

yer retardation doesn't account for REALITY, huh bitchtits?

>>>> Next tiam try harder to NOT look

>>>> liak a complete fuckin Hatter Addict whose running Google searches

>>>> on my nyme day and night.

>>> Everyone is going to be googling you now to see what other totally

>>> fuckheaded things you've done, you insane, real-lifing, slimebucket.

>> This from the real-lifing, insane, slimebucket who supports going RL

>> on people for butt hurtz and trying to froth off lies in order to get

>> "revenve" against them for hurting yer wittle feewings.

>Um...Mattie, I do not support going real life on anyone.

Greg started frothing about how he was going to make liak Uncle Child

Molester and go RL on me, you then replied to his posts in yer usual

butt slurping capacity and basically agreed with him (ie supported his

plans to go RL).

>I did, however,

>once take defensive measures against someone who went real life on me.

I've only had a couple of people ever try and go RL on me...but then

they wound up looking liak lunatics in the process and we all had a

good laugh about it. Most people don't know what a "usenet is" and

most people, when someone brings up conversations online, won't take

them seriously, simply because you can't, because you have no idea

whether it's real in any way or not. I mean I could very easily start

posting under anyone's RL name/address/phone number and claim whatever

I liak...there's no way to tell definitively what is and what isn't

real online. Plus if you phone someone up because yer all butthurt

over some online "Internet fight"...yeah, yer credibility is pretty

much gonna drop to zero and whoever yer talkin to is gonna think yer a

fuckin retard.

>> Again, there's a BIG difference between that and letting someone know

>> that they've been a victim of fraud...not that a raving fuckin

>> lunakook like YOU would be able to tell the difference.

>Maybe next time you should talk to a lawyer first.

Maybe next time YOU should talk to a lawyer first, so you can avoid

looking so completely fuckin stupid. You OBVIOUSLY haven't ever

studied case law or even fuckin READ any of the laws on the books. I

even go so far as to delve into all the local laws and regulations

concerning my area. Liak nyah:

http://www.codepublishing.com/WA/wallawalla/wallawallant.html

>>> He shoulda sued you for tortious interference.

>> Yeah because that wouldn't have been completely fuckin retarded.

>> Anyone is perfectly free to contact any potential client, tell them

>> what's wrong with their shit, and then offer them the services to fix

>> the shit.

>So you cruise the net looking for ways to undermine people?

>

>What a life you live.

When it comes to scam artists, spammers, rip-off artist and the

liak...definitely. Those sorts of people NEED to be stopped, lest

they start making moar victims. Further, in my industry as a free

lancer it becomes VERY important to get rid of these fucks because

they give the whole free lancing industry a bad nyme. At this point a

good 90% of my business comes from companies that got burned by

someone else who claimed to be something they weren't and then

couldn't deliver what they promised or delivered it in such a halfass,

shit smeared way that it was basically just money they threw in the

shitter. A lot of what I do as far as free lancing is reconstruction

of something that some n00b level, poser class, college flunkie tried

to make and then failed miserably.

>> The only seperating factor is goal. If you're doing it for

>> revenge cause you got the verbal butthurtz real bad...yeah, yer a

>> fuckhead, plain and simple. But if you're doing it with the genuine

>> intent to HELP the company in question because they obviously got

>> taken in by a scam artist, then it's perfectly peachy.

>Right.

>

>Apparently, though, the person you contacted wasn't interested in your

>services.

Actually they agreed with me, told me that they had expected moar than

what they got but then said they couldn't really afford it to have all

the problems corrected or a new site built, but if/when they did they

would keep me in mind. There's a VERY high likelihood that they will

eventually become clients of mine, simply because I was so open and

honest with them.

>> At that point,

>> it's really NOT about the scam artist, it's about their client that

>> they fucked over. As I recall, in the emails I sent to his clients, I

>> never even mentioned him specifically in any way, I simply gave a

>> straight up, direct critique of their sites...a service which normally

>> runs for upwards of $200 to $300 that I gave them for free. And it's

>> not liak his is a unique case, I email companies ALL THE TIME to

>> critique their shit, 99% of the time having no idea who the original

>> designer or designers are. And further, even moar will actively post

>> to ADG directly ASKING ME for that level of critique of their sites.

>> Simply put, that scam artist didn't liak getting exposed as a scam

>> artist, so he tried to make it personal, he tried to make it about

>> him, when really he never even entered into the equation originally.

>> Again, he was NEVER mentioned by name, directly or indirectly in the

>> emails I sent to his clients.

>Jesus.

No I never mentioned Jesus's name either, Fruit Loop.

>> Yeah, criminal act, you fuckin idiot. There are no shortage of scam

>> artist "designers" on the web lying to clients and selling them cookie

>> cutter bullshit on the promise of unique designs. Such situations

>> often result in rather incredible lawsuits when one company suddenly

>> see's another company with the same site as theirs. Rather than find

>> out if they were scammed by the designer they'll often ASSume that the

>> other company simply ripped them off and then they'll waste thousands,

>> even hundreds of thousands of dollars on a lawsuit that'll eventually

>> prove they both got suckered.

>Cite?

>

>What I mean is, do you have an example? I've actually seen some examples

>of copyright and trademark infringement in this area, and I believe

>you're talking out your ass.

I'm not going to go and look them up for you, Dipshit. DYOFDW. Go

find the original thread in ADG, it should be archived in Google, in

which there were over a half dozen different examples given. To put

it bluntly, you aren't arguing anything that hasn't already been

presented and then ripped all apart (and not simply by me). You ought

to subscribe to ADG if you want to get in on these sorts of

discussions because they come up so often, especially stuff in regards

to spec work and the liak.

>>>> Oh hey, Greggles, make sure you call using a pay phone, you wouldn't

>>>> want to inadvertantly out yerself in the process of proving to

>>>> people what a terminal fucking Hatter you ar. LOL

>>> Freudian slip there, Mattie?

>> ...I don't think you know what that means, Rhonda. rolls eyes

>Re-read that last line, Mattie. The one immediately above my comment on

>your Freudian slip. Slowly.

I've read it, Stupid, I left off the 'e' from 'are'...a typing mistake

isn't in itself a Freudian Slip, you moron. If I had maybe

accidentally substitute the word "I" for "you" THEN you would have

grounds for claiming a Freudian Slip, but otherwise, no. It's a

simple typing mistake, nothing more, nothing less. Your little NEED

to try and see it as moar than that is pretty telling though. Further,

even if I had made such a mistake, it wouldn't make any fuckin sense

at all since:

A. I can't be a Hatter Addict

and

B. I've already freely posted all my personal information

....so there's nothing TO out in that regard, you fuckin idiot.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter

mhm ? x ?

http://www.backwater-productions.net

http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes

-------------

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the

best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you

with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my

bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity

of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct

that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others

of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start

creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that

they're just born with a soul. snicker ...yeah, like they're just

givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.

So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,

to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly

horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip

their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand

sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible

images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even

properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,

endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you

don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton

tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a

function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.

Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast

indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,

gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

June 19, 2008

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:12:21 -0700, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>

wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:04:15 +0000, gregvk wrote:

>

>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <nimue@databasix.com> wrote in news:g3bf3n$52f$1

>> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

>>

>>> gregvk wrote:

>>>> Onideus Mad Hatter <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in

>>>> news:cgci545j9mkgmk2pvsstfj10dllcp2p84a@4ax.com:

>>>>

>>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:18:19 -0700, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Maddies easily trolled, fyi

>>>>>

>>>>> Jus trollin gov, honest he was! It's cute that he has to have you

>>>>> defend his frothing RL rage.

>>>>

>>>> Speaking of which, I stumbled across some web-rage yesterday. That's

>>>> not at all unusual, as all web forums are chock full of butthurt, but

>>>> then I took a closer look at the first post and realized that I found

>>>> something special.

>>>>

>>>> Get a load of this:

>>>>

>>>> http://tinyurl.com/54kv79

>>>

>>> Wow. Just wow.

>>>

>>>> ...Jesus, tubby, it's getting so that it's almost impossible to surf

>>>> the web without tripping over your fuckheadedness. That first post

>>>> is a true gem, and provides some very interesting insight into the

>>>> depths to which you are willing to lower youself.

>>>>

>>>> [cue the usual "Hatter Addict" screeching]

>>>

>>> Uncle Monster is wrong. This is not childish behavior, it's NPD or

>>> something eerily like it. <cue Sam Vaknin>

>>>

>>> Whatta whack job.

>>

>> Somewhere out there is an unknown shrink who is destined for greatness.

>> One day fate will cross his path with Matty's. Several years of analysis

>> and research will follow, culminating in a landmark paper that will

>> define a whole new mental condition: Raging Moron/Asshole Disorder. For

>> many years afterward, the shrink's name will be uttered in the same

>> breath as the likes of Freud, Jung and Skinner.

>

>The first line of that email is true sigfile material; "Friends are only

>enemies that don't have the guts to kill you..."

>

>Thats a real paranoic attitude with a side of persecution if I ever saw

>one

>

>Poor kid.

That's not mine exactly you stupid fuckjob, but 100 kookla points to

whomever can cite the original source (you might have trouble finding

it though because I think I reworded the original a bit).

--

Onideus Mad Hatter

mhm ? x ?

http://www.backwater-productions.net

http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes

-------------

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the

best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you

with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my

bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity

of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct

that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others

of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start

creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that

they're just born with a soul. snicker ...yeah, like they're just

givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.

So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,

to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly

horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip

their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand

sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible

images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even

properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,

endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you

don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton

tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a

function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.

Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast

indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,

gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

June 19, 2008

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:04:04 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>

>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:48 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

>>> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>> Uh huh, you just magically stumbled upon a random thread in a

>>>>> random, hole in the wall, incredibly obscure gaming Webbie board

>>>>> from A FUCKING YEAR AGO...wow...boy you REALLY didn't think this

>>>>> one through too well, didja Greggles?

>>>

>>>> You wrote to the guy's client. WTF were you thinking?

>

>>> That he scammed them, fucked them over, commited fraud, lied to

>>> them, etc, etc.

>

>> Fraud has a very specific definition, Mattie.

>

> Yeah which you don't seem to grasp...at all. Not that it comes as a

> surprise, it's not as if you're involved with any industry on that

> level. As a free lancing graphic artist and web designer I deal with

> those sorts of laws on, literarily, a daily basis. You have to be

> VERY careful how you word your contracts, because otherwise you can

> get yerself into a whole world of shit. I've seen some morons who

> will advertise something liak, "unlimited revisions!" only to wind up

> severely fucked when a company actually calls them on it and starts

> sending them work to "revise" on a daily basis. You also have to be

> careful regarding ownership of the content, for example they might

> have something in their contract that if you make something for them

> that they own exclusive rights to it, which wouldn't be good if it was

> a concept or design that you wanted to be able to sell to others (ala

> Bill Gates DOS style). Emails also act as binding contracts so you

> REALLY have to watch yer Ps and Qs when emailing clients, because if

> you accidentally promise them something, yeah, you can't go back on it

> later. And liak all that, if you promise a client that you're

> constructing ORIGINAL content for them, then you had BETTER not be

> simply reselling them a prefab cookie cutter template you bitched off

> some freebie site. Otherwise it's FRAUD, you stupid fuckjob.

So...in other words...without knowing the nature of Reid's contract with

his client, you took upon yourself the assumption that he had violated

it.

BTW, part of what I do for a living is drafting agreements of various

kinds.

>> So does libel.

>

> It can't be libel unless the person in question is mentioned directly,

> and even then in order for it to be libel it would have to NOT fall

> under fair use laws regarding satire and it would have to be UNTRUE.

> It's not libel if it's the truth, you fuckin retard. Tha fuck...how

> fuckin stupid are you?

>

>> Reid 1, Hatter -1

>

> Fixed yer typos.

Fixed mine and yours.

>>> Free cl00, MORON, fraud is ILLEGAL, at least here in the

>>> states it is. If you make a deal with a client and promise them

>>> UNIQUE content that's all their own, only to be delivered cookie

>>> cutter bullshit that YOU DIDN'T MAKE...yeah...that's fucking fraud,

>>> you MORON!

>

>> See above.

>

> If you were right why didn't he take his tweenage muppet fuck

> e-lawyers "advice" and sue me?

His client ignored you, so he had no damages to speak of. Suing you as a

matter of principle would've been pointless.

> I mean by your retardation of

> comprehension he should have won EASILY, open and shut case...too bad

> yer retardation doesn't account for REALITY, huh bitchtits?

There was nothing for him to win that he didn't already have, i.e., his

client's satisfaction, goodwill and money.

>>>>> Next tiam try harder to NOT look

>>>>> liak a complete fuckin Hatter Addict whose running Google searches

>>>>> on my nyme day and night.

>

>>>> Everyone is going to be googling you now to see what other totally

>>>> fuckheaded things you've done, you insane, real-lifing,

>>>> slimebucket.

>

>>> This from the real-lifing, insane, slimebucket who supports going RL

>>> on people for butt hurtz and trying to froth off lies in order to

>>> get "revenve" against them for hurting yer wittle feewings.

>

>> Um...Mattie, I do not support going real life on anyone.

>

> Greg started frothing about how he was going to make liak Uncle Child

> Molester and go RL on me, you then replied to his posts in yer usual

> butt slurping capacity and basically agreed with him (ie supported his

> plans to go RL).

Um...you really work at WalMart, Mattie? I didn't realize that was

truth, not troll.

>> I did, however,

>> once take defensive measures against someone who went real life on

>> me.

>

> I've only had a couple of people ever try and go RL on me...but then

> they wound up looking liak lunatics in the process and we all had a

> good laugh about it. Most people don't know what a "usenet is" and

> most people, when someone brings up conversations online, won't take

> them seriously, simply because you can't, because you have no idea

> whether it's real in any way or not. I mean I could very easily start

> posting under anyone's RL name/address/phone number and claim whatever

> I liak...there's no way to tell definitively what is and what isn't

> real online. Plus if you phone someone up because yer all butthurt

> over some online "Internet fight"...yeah, yer credibility is pretty

> much gonna drop to zero and whoever yer talkin to is gonna think yer a

> fuckin retard.

>

>>> Again, there's a BIG difference between that and letting someone

>>> know that they've been a victim of fraud...not that a raving fuckin

>>> lunakook like YOU would be able to tell the difference.

>

>> Maybe next time you should talk to a lawyer first.

>

> Maybe next time YOU should talk to a lawyer first, so you can avoid

> looking so completely fuckin stupid. You OBVIOUSLY haven't ever

> studied case law or even fuckin READ any of the laws on the books. I

> even go so far as to delve into all the local laws and regulations

> concerning my area. Liak nyah:

> http://www.codepublishing.com/WA/wallawalla/wallawallant.html

I'm not sure what the municipal code of Walla Walla has to do with this

discussion, but okay.

>>>> He shoulda sued you for tortious interference.

>

>>> Yeah because that wouldn't have been completely fuckin retarded.

>>> Anyone is perfectly free to contact any potential client, tell them

>>> what's wrong with their shit, and then offer them the services to

>>> fix the shit.

>

>> So you cruise the net looking for ways to undermine people?

>>

>> What a life you live.

>

> When it comes to scam artists, spammers, rip-off artist and the

> liak...definitely. Those sorts of people NEED to be stopped, lest

> they start making moar victims.

Libeling your peers is not the way to do it.

> Further, in my industry as a free

> lancer it becomes VERY important to get rid of these fucks because

> they give the whole free lancing industry a bad nyme. At this point a

> good 90% of my business comes from companies that got burned by

> someone else who claimed to be something they weren't and then

> couldn't deliver what they promised or delivered it in such a halfass,

> shit smeared way that it was basically just money they threw in the

> shitter. A lot of what I do as far as free lancing is reconstruction

> of something that some n00b level, poser class, college flunkie tried

> to make and then failed miserably.

>

>>> The only seperating factor is goal. If you're doing it for

>>> revenge cause you got the verbal butthurtz real bad...yeah, yer a

>>> fuckhead, plain and simple. But if you're doing it with the genuine

>>> intent to HELP the company in question because they obviously got

>>> taken in by a scam artist, then it's perfectly peachy.

>

>> Right.

>>

>> Apparently, though, the person you contacted wasn't interested in

>> your services.

>

> Actually they agreed with me, told me that they had expected moar than

> what they got but then said they couldn't really afford it to have all

> the problems corrected or a new site built, but if/when they did they

> would keep me in mind. There's a VERY high likelihood that they will

> eventually become clients of mine, simply because I was so open and

> honest with them.

You've never taken a course in business ethics, I guess.

>>> At that point,

>>> it's really NOT about the scam artist, it's about their client that

>>> they fucked over. As I recall, in the emails I sent to his

>>> clients, I never even mentioned him specifically in any way, I

>>> simply gave a straight up, direct critique of their sites...a

>>> service which normally runs for upwards of $200 to $300 that I gave

>>> them for free. And it's not liak his is a unique case, I email

>>> companies ALL THE TIME to critique their shit, 99% of the time

>>> having no idea who the original designer or designers are. And

>>> further, even moar will actively post to ADG directly ASKING ME for

>>> that level of critique of their sites. Simply put, that scam artist

>>> didn't liak getting exposed as a scam artist, so he tried to make

>>> it personal, he tried to make it about him, when really he never

>>> even entered into the equation originally. Again, he was NEVER

>>> mentioned by name, directly or indirectly in the emails I sent to

>>> his clients.

>

>> Jesus.

>

> No I never mentioned Jesus's name either, Fruit Loop.

>

>>> Yeah, criminal act, you fuckin idiot. There are no shortage of scam

>>> artist "designers" on the web lying to clients and selling them

>>> cookie cutter bullshit on the promise of unique designs. Such

>>> situations often result in rather incredible lawsuits when one

>>> company suddenly see's another company with the same site as

>>> theirs. Rather than find out if they were scammed by the designer

>>> they'll often ASSume that the other company simply ripped them off

>>> and then they'll waste thousands, even hundreds of thousands of

>>> dollars on a lawsuit that'll eventually prove they both got

>>> suckered.

>

>> Cite?

>>

>> What I mean is, do you have an example? I've actually seen some

>> examples of copyright and trademark infringement in this area, and I

>> believe you're talking out your ass.

>

> I'm not going to go and look them up for you, Dipshit. DYOFDW. Go

> find the original thread in ADG, it should be archived in Google, in

> which there were over a half dozen different examples given. To put

> it bluntly, you aren't arguing anything that hasn't already been

> presented and then ripped all apart (and not simply by me). You ought

> to subscribe to ADG if you want to get in on these sorts of

> discussions because they come up so often, especially stuff in regards

> to spec work and the liak.

In other words, you have no cite.

>>>>> Oh hey, Greggles, make sure you call using a pay phone, you

>>>>> wouldn't want to inadvertantly out yerself in the process of

>>>>> proving to people what a terminal fucking Hatter you ar. LOL

>

>>>> Freudian slip there, Mattie?

>

>>> ...I don't think you know what that means, Rhonda. rolls eyes

>

>> Re-read that last line, Mattie. The one immediately above my comment

>> on your Freudian slip. Slowly.

>

> I've read it, Stupid, I left off the 'e' from 'are'...

You left off the "Addict" from "Hatter," dumbass. Now read the sentence

again, since your eyes continue to slide over your "slip."

> a typing mistake

> isn't in itself a Freudian Slip, you moron. If I had maybe

> accidentally substitute the word "I" for "you" THEN you would have

> grounds for claiming a Freudian Slip, but otherwise, no. It's a

> simple typing mistake, nothing more, nothing less. Your little NEED

> to try and see it as moar than that is pretty telling though. Further,

> even if I had made such a mistake, it wouldn't make any fuckin sense

> at all since:

> A. I can't be a Hatter Addict

But according to you, Greg is a "terminal fucking Hatter."

> and

> B. I've already freely posted all my personal information

> ...so there's nothing TO out in that regard, you fuckin idiot.

Okay.

--

Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will

scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will

refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something

which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he

will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is

explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell

June 19, 2008

"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" wrote:

> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:04:04 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

>> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:13:48 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"

>>>> <nimue@databasix.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>> Uh huh, you just magically stumbled upon a random thread in a

>>>>>> random, hole in the wall, incredibly obscure gaming Webbie board

>>>>>> from A FUCKING YEAR AGO...wow...boy you REALLY didn't think this

>>>>>> one through too well, didja Greggles?

>>>>

>>>>> You wrote to the guy's client. WTF were you thinking?

>>

>>>> That he scammed them, fucked them over, commited fraud, lied to

>>>> them, etc, etc.

>>

>>> Fraud has a very specific definition, Mattie.

>>

>> Yeah which you don't seem to grasp...at all. Not that it comes as a

>> surprise, it's not as if you're involved with any industry on that

>> level. As a free lancing graphic artist and web designer I deal with

>> those sorts of laws on, literarily, a daily basis. You have to be

>> VERY careful how you word your contracts, because otherwise you can

>> get yerself into a whole world of shit. I've seen some morons who

>> will advertise something liak, "unlimited revisions!" only to wind up

>> severely fucked when a company actually calls them on it and starts

>> sending them work to "revise" on a daily basis. You also have to be

>> careful regarding ownership of the content, for example they might

>> have something in their contract that if you make something for them

>> that they own exclusive rights to it, which wouldn't be good if it was

>> a concept or design that you wanted to be able to sell to others (ala

>> Bill Gates DOS style). Emails also act as binding contracts so you

>> REALLY have to watch yer Ps and Qs when emailing clients, because if

>> you accidentally promise them something, yeah, you can't go back on it

>> later. And liak all that, if you promise a client that you're

>> constructing ORIGINAL content for them, then you had BETTER not be

>> simply reselling them a prefab cookie cutter template you bitched off

>> some freebie site. Otherwise it's FRAUD, you stupid fuckjob.

>

> So...in other words...without knowing the nature of Reid's contract with

> his client, you took upon yourself the assumption that he had violated it.

>

> BTW, part of what I do for a living is drafting agreements of various

> kinds.

>

>>> So does libel.

>>

>> It can't be libel unless the person in question is mentioned directly,

>> and even then in order for it to be libel it would have to NOT fall

>> under fair use laws regarding satire and it would have to be UNTRUE.

>> It's not libel if it's the truth, you fuckin retard. Tha fuck...how

>> fuckin stupid are you?

>>

>>> Reid 1, Hatter -1

>>

>> Fixed yer typos.

>

> Fixed mine and yours.

>

>>>> Free cl00, MORON, fraud is ILLEGAL, at least here in the

>>>> states it is. If you make a deal with a client and promise them

>>>> UNIQUE content that's all their own, only to be delivered cookie

>>>> cutter bullshit that YOU DIDN'T MAKE...yeah...that's fucking fraud,

>>>> you MORON!

>>

>>> See above.

>>

>> If you were right why didn't he take his tweenage muppet fuck

>> e-lawyers "advice" and sue me?

>

> His client ignored you, so he had no damages to speak of. Suing you as a

> matter of principle would've been pointless.

>

>> I mean by your retardation of

>> comprehension he should have won EASILY, open and shut case...too bad

>> yer retardation doesn't account for REALITY, huh bitchtits?

>

> There was nothing for him to win that he didn't already have, i.e., his

> client's satisfaction, goodwill and money.

>

>>>>>> Next tiam try harder to NOT look

>>>>>> liak a complete fuckin Hatter Addict whose running Google searches

>>>>>> on my nyme day and night.

>>

>>>>> Everyone is going to be googling you now to see what other totally

>>>>> fuckheaded things you've done, you insane, real-lifing,

>>>>> slimebucket.

>>

>>>> This from the real-lifing, insane, slimebucket who supports going RL

>>>> on people for butt hurtz and trying to froth off lies in order to

>>>> get "revenve" against them for hurting yer wittle feewings.

>>

>>> Um...Mattie, I do not support going real life on anyone.

>>

>> Greg started frothing about how he was going to make liak Uncle Child

>> Molester and go RL on me, you then replied to his posts in yer usual

>> butt slurping capacity and basically agreed with him (ie supported his

>> plans to go RL).

>

> Um...you really work at WalMart, Mattie? I didn't realize that was truth,

> not troll.

I wondered about that as well. I mean, to hear him tell the story he's an

uber-talented webmaster with tons of clients. So why on earth would he need

to subsidize his income fucking around in WallMart for a few hundred bucks a

week?

>>> I did, however,

>>> once take defensive measures against someone who went real life on

>>> me.

>>

>> I've only had a couple of people ever try and go RL on me...but then

>> they wound up looking liak lunatics in the process and we all had a

>> good laugh about it. Most people don't know what a "usenet is" and

>> most people, when someone brings up conversations online, won't take

>> them seriously, simply because you can't, because you have no idea

>> whether it's real in any way or not. I mean I could very easily start

>> posting under anyone's RL name/address/phone number and claim whatever

>> I liak...there's no way to tell definitively what is and what isn't

>> real online. Plus if you phone someone up because yer all butthurt

>> over some online "Internet fight"...yeah, yer credibility is pretty

>> much gonna drop to zero and whoever yer talkin to is gonna think yer a

>> fuckin retard.

>>

>>>> Again, there's a BIG difference between that and letting someone

>>>> know that they've been a victim of fraud...not that a raving fuckin

>>>> lunakook like YOU would be able to tell the difference.

>>

>>> Maybe next time you should talk to a lawyer first.

>>

>> Maybe next time YOU should talk to a lawyer first, so you can avoid

>> looking so completely fuckin stupid. You OBVIOUSLY haven't ever

>> studied case law or even fuckin READ any of the laws on the books. I

>> even go so far as to delve into all the local laws and regulations

>> concerning my area. Liak nyah:

>> http://www.codepublishing.com/WA/wallawalla/wallawallant.html

>

> I'm not sure what the municipal code of Walla Walla has to do with this

> discussion, but okay.

>

>>>>> He shoulda sued you for tortious interference.

>>

>>>> Yeah because that wouldn't have been completely fuckin retarded.

>>>> Anyone is perfectly free to contact any potential client, tell them

>>>> what's wrong with their shit, and then offer them the services to

>>>> fix the shit.

>>

>>> So you cruise the net looking for ways to undermine people?

>>>

>>> What a life you live.

>>

>> When it comes to scam artists, spammers, rip-off artist and the

>> liak...definitely. Those sorts of people NEED to be stopped, lest

>> they start making moar victims.

>

> Libeling your peers is not the way to do it.

>

>> Further, in my industry as a free

>> lancer it becomes VERY important to get rid of these fucks because

>> they give the whole free lancing industry a bad nyme. At this point a

>> good 90% of my business comes from companies that got burned by

>> someone else who claimed to be something they weren't and then

>> couldn't deliver what they promised or delivered it in such a halfass,

>> shit smeared way that it was basically just money they threw in the

>> shitter. A lot of what I do as far as free lancing is reconstruction

>> of something that some n00b level, poser class, college flunkie tried

>> to make and then failed miserably.

>>

>>>> The only seperating factor is goal. If you're doing it for

>>>> revenge cause you got the verbal butthurtz real bad...yeah, yer a

>>>> fuckhead, plain and simple. But if you're doing it with the genuine

>>>> intent to HELP the company in question because they obviously got

>>>> taken in by a scam artist, then it's perfectly peachy.

>>

>>> Right.

>>>

>>> Apparently, though, the person you contacted wasn't interested in

>>> your services.

>>

>> Actually they agreed with me, told me that they had expected moar than

>> what they got but then said they couldn't really afford it to have all

>> the problems corrected or a new site built, but if/when they did they

>> would keep me in mind. There's a VERY high likelihood that they will

>> eventually become clients of mine, simply because I was so open and

>> honest with them.

>

> You've never taken a course in business ethics, I guess.

Business ethics? ROFL! Even if there were such a thing, (trust me,

there isn't) he'd need to learn the basics first.

Damn, Rhonda. That was a hot one. "Business ethics". Especially coming

from someone in the legal profession. I'm still rolling. LOL!

FWIW? I took two years of that garbage and ya know what it got me? Shit

on. That's what.

If I had continued to apply what I'd learned in my B.E. classes instead of

getting down in the mud with my competition, I would have had to close my

shop within a year of opening, instead of selling it at a profit 23 years

later.

>>>> At that point,

>>>> it's really NOT about the scam artist, it's about their client that

>>>> they fucked over. As I recall, in the emails I sent to his

>>>> clients, I never even mentioned him specifically in any way, I

>>>> simply gave a straight up, direct critique of their sites...a

>>>> service which normally runs for upwards of $200 to $300 that I gave

>>>> them for free. And it's not liak his is a unique case, I email

>>>> companies ALL THE TIME to critique their shit, 99% of the time

>>>> having no idea who the original designer or designers are. And

>>>> further, even moar will actively post to ADG directly ASKING ME for

>>>> that level of critique of their sites. Simply put, that scam artist

>>>> didn't liak getting exposed as a scam artist, so he tried to make

>>>> it personal, he tried to make it about him, when really he never

>>>> even entered into the equation originally. Again, he was NEVER

>>>> mentioned by name, directly or indirectly in the emails I sent to

>>>> his clients.

>>

>>> Jesus.

>>

>> No I never mentioned Jesus's name either, Fruit Loop.

>>

>>>> Yeah, criminal act, you fuckin idiot. There are no shortage of scam

>>>> artist "designers" on the web lying to clients and selling them

>>>> cookie cutter bullshit on the promise of unique designs. Such

>>>> situations often result in rather incredible lawsuits when one

>>>> company suddenly see's another company with the same site as

>>>> theirs. Rather than find out if they were scammed by the designer

>>>> they'll often ASSume that the other company simply ripped them off

>>>> and then they'll waste thousands, even hundreds of thousands of

>>>> dollars on a lawsuit that'll eventually prove they both got

>>>> suckered.

>>

>>> Cite?

>>>

>>> What I mean is, do you have an example? I've actually seen some

>>> examples of copyright and trademark infringement in this area, and I

>>> believe you're talking out your ass.

>>

>> I'm not going to go and look them up for you, Dipshit. DYOFDW. Go

>> find the original thread in ADG, it should be archived in Google, in

>> which there were over a half dozen different examples given. To put

>> it bluntly, you aren't arguing anything that hasn't already been

>> presented and then ripped all apart (and not simply by me). You ought

>> to subscribe to ADG if you want to get in on these sorts of

>> discussions because they come up so often, especially stuff in regards

>> to spec work and the liak.

>

> In other words, you have no cite.

>

>>>>>> Oh hey, Greggles, make sure you call using a pay phone, you

>>>>>> wouldn't want to inadvertantly out yerself in the process of

>>>>>> proving to people what a terminal fucking Hatter you ar. LOL

>>

>>>>> Freudian slip there, Mattie?

>>

>>>> ...I don't think you know what that means, Rhonda. rolls eyes

>>

>>> Re-read that last line, Mattie. The one immediately above my comment

>>> on your Freudian slip. Slowly.

>>

>> I've read it, Stupid, I left off the 'e' from 'are'...

>

> You left off the "Addict" from "Hatter," dumbass. Now read the sentence

> again, since your eyes continue to slide over your "slip."

>

>> a typing mistake

>> isn't in itself a Freudian Slip, you moron. If I had maybe

>> accidentally substitute the word "I" for "you" THEN you would have

>> grounds for claiming a Freudian Slip, but otherwise, no. It's a

>> simple typing mistake, nothing more, nothing less. Your little NEED

>> to try and see it as moar than that is pretty telling though. Further,

>> even if I had made such a mistake, it wouldn't make any fuckin sense

>> at all since:

>> A. I can't be a Hatter Addict

>

> But according to you, Greg is a "terminal fucking Hatter."

>

>> and

>> B. I've already freely posted all my personal information

>> ...so there's nothing TO out in that regard, you fuckin idiot.

>

> Okay.

Ya got yerself a live one there, Rhonda. Lucky(?) for you he obviously

doesn't hold the "rules" in any higher regard than most other sane people.

Otherwise you and he wouldn't be having this lively errrm ...debate. You

know, what with you being "net dead" and all. LOL!

So have fun, and try not to break your new toy real quick, K?

Oh. Before I forget ...Just out of curiosity, is your surname pronounced

"Freeze" or "Frys"

Bill

June 19, 2008

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:11:59 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"