Al Gore's Tennessee Home Wasting Electricity

[ImWithStupid]

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[timesjoke]

Climate change data dumped - Times Online

 

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

 

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

 

The UEA?s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

 

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals ? stored on paper and magnetic tape ? were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

 

The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU?s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.

 

In a statement on its website, the CRU said: ?We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.?

 

The CRU is the world?s leading centre for reconstructing past climate and temperatures. Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible.

 

Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. ?The CRU is basically saying, ?Trust us?. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,? he said.

 

Jones was not in charge of the CRU when the data were thrown away in the 1980s, a time when climate change was seen as a less pressing issue. The lost material was used to build the databases that have been his life?s work, showing how the world has warmed by 0.8C over the past 157 years.

 

He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is ?unequivocally? linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global warming is a threat to humanity.

 

 

 

 

So "take our word for it" is all they have to say, lol.

 

 

 

Read some of the comments after the story, I find them to be very good, here is one:

 

The lost data excuse is akin to "the dog ate my homework!"

 

We have detailed 10,000-year data from Greenland ice cores, sea sediment, tree rings and other geologic sources. That data record, covering about one-half of the current interglacial, clearly shows much warmer climate until about 2,000 to 3,000 years ago when temperatures declined, then rebounded in a Roman Warm Period, declined again, then rebounded again in the Medieval Warm Period, then declined sharply into the Little Ice Age punctuated with a brief warming at its middle before bringing the coldest temperatures of the past 10,000 years in the 1800s. The modern warming has been fairly routine since then, with nothing that begins to match the warming of either the Medieval Warm Period or the many thousands of years of the Holocene Optimum that marked the middle of the current interglacial. All those changes were natural and go unexplained (and ignored) by climate alarmists. Indeed, Michael Mann, et al, created the "hockey stick" fraud to try to substantiate two claims: (1) that the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age never happened, and, (2) that current warm temperatures were "unprecedented" (both of which are false).

 

Claims that CO2 emissions are driving climate change ignore the long accurate geologic record that establishes just the reverse -- that changes in temperature drive changes in CO2.

 

Human additions of CO2 are miniscule compared with natural forces and CO2 itself is a minor contributor to atmospheric warming.

 

In a sane world, that would be the end of the story.

[timesjoke]

Gropenhagen Conference: Prostitutes Offer Free Climate Summit Sex - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

 

 

 

 

Danish sex workers are offering free sex to COP15 in order to defend their industry.

Copenhagen Mayor Ritt Bjerregaard sent postcards to city hotels warning summit guests not to patronize Danish sex workers during the upcoming conference. Now, the prostitutes have struck back, offering free sex to anyone who produces one of the warnings.

 

Copenhagen's city council in conjunction with Lord Mayor Ritt Bjerregaard sent postcards out to 160 Copenhagen hotels urging COP15 guests and delegates to 'Be sustainable - don't buy sex'.

 

 

"Dear hotel owner, we would like to urge you not to arrange contacts between hotel guests and prostitutes," the approach to hotels says.

 

Now, Copenhagen prostitutes are up in arms, saying that the council has no business meddling in their affairs. They have now offered free sex to anyone who can produce one of the offending postcards and their COP15 identity card, according to the Web site avisen.dk.

 

Discrimination

 

According to the report, the move has been organized by the Sex Workers Interest Group (SIO).

 

"This is sheer discrimination. Ritt Bjerregaard is abusing her position as Lord Mayor in using her power to prevent us carrying out our perfectly legal job. I don't understand how she can be allowed to contact people in this way," SIO Spokeswoman Susanne M?ller tells avisen.dk.

 

M?ller adds that it is reprehensible and unfair that Copenhagen politicians have chosen to use the UN Climate Summit as a platform for a hetz against sex workers.

 

"But they've done it and we have to defend ourselves," M?ller says.

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Politicians vs. Prostitutes: The Battle of the Whores

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Snowed yesterday...here in Houston, Tx....the earliest snow in Houston history.

[Old Salt]

Snowed yesterday...here in Houston, Tx....the earliest snow in Houston history.

Dang global warming....

[ImWithStupid]

Snowed yesterday...here in Houston, Tx....the earliest snow in Houston history.

 

 

Yea, I heard someone call into a talk radio show from Huston who said that they were getting hit by global warming so hard it was falling from the sky in white flakes.

[ImWithStupid]

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[ImWithStupid]

PJTV - Afterburner with Bill Whittle - Nopenhagen: The Truth is Missing From the Climate Debate

[RoyalOrleans]

Plants Need CO2 - Carbon Dioxide is Green!

[ImWithStupid]

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[hugo]

Damn, might have to change my view. I hate kittens.

[Anna Perenna]

Before I commit to paying higher taxes and energy bills the Goreist's need to show the preponderance of the evidence shows:

 

1) The Earth is warming. (It has not since 1998)

 

2) A significant part of this warming is due to usage of fossil fuels.

 

3) That the benefits from reducing the damages caused by global warming will outweigh the huge costs to economies that will be incurred in taxing and regulating fossil fuel usage. (Many believe global warming will be a net benefit to mankind, more food for the growing population. Who can be against that?)

 

4) That it is possible for worldwide cooperation that actually reduces global warming significantly.

 

 

I am not a Goreist, I am a Greenie. But I'll try to answer your four points:

 

1) The "Earth" is not "Warming". The changes in climate attributed to the large level of CO2 in the atmosphere are collectively referred to as Global Warming, or Climate Change. We will see extreme weather changes and events - including extreme cold. Basically the planet will soon not be able to sufficiently support the human population - if we continue to live the way we currently do. I'm pretty sure I clarified this point earlier.

 

2) It's not just fossil fuels. In a layman's nutshell: our extreme and unsustainable use of the earth's resources (and use of various power sources to create, move and use these resources) is causing an extreme level of CO2. It makes sense. Common sense. All these buildings, roads, cars, electricity, gadgets, etc etc etc etc everywhere - it's not reasonable to assume that their production, distribution and use can be having NO or even a negligible effect on the planet.

 

3) People are highly innovative creatures. There is some amazing technology out there. It's just a matter of turning the best science into the right policies -and getting the government and corporations to support the right ideas while following the best processes. (Carbon sequestration has not been sufficiently trialled, unfortunately there are plants springing up all over the place. No wonder people are sceptical).

 

Also, your economy is already completely and utterly fucked. Why not try some new things, try to implement some changes to the modern western lifestyle and see if it doesn't improve general happiness and wellbeing? Humans are happier when they are surrounded by nature. And considering the way most US cities are laid out (making you all so reliant upon cars) I'm sure US citizens would be happier if there was a convenient and clever new public transport system (that just so happens to be green).

 

4) If the idea is sold in the right way and information is shared properly, we could probably convince developing countries to cooperate.

 

I probably sound grossly optimistic but I don't think there's an excuse here for wilful ignorance. This is a serious issue and trying to look for reasons to not support a reduction in CO2, rather than looking for ways to kill two birds with one stone (stable economy + reduced CO2 = a planet that humans can live comfortably on for years to come) just seems ...... silly.

[timesjoke]

And yet one of the greatest temperature increases that we can prove to have happened was during the middle ages, and no industry to blame it on.

 

One of the greatest drops in temperature was during the industrial revolution with Co2 levels on the rise.

 

 

 

Fact, temperatures have gone up and down for as long as the Earth has existed and most of those massive temperature changed happened when there was no industry or fossil fuel uses at all.

 

 

Fact, every person pushing this 'man caused global warming' agenda has political or financial gain as their reason.

 

 

Fact, recent information has come out that proves the main scientists involved in things like the UN reports have been manipulating data, discouraging studies that do not agree with them, and even throwing away data so their work could not be independently checked so they can force people to "take their word" on what the data was.

 

 

 

 

Anna, there is more information proving that solar conditions change our temperatures here on Earth than Co2, but everyone ignores this fact because there is no way to make money or gain political power if this is true.

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Fact, every person pushing this 'man caused global warming' agenda has political or financial gain as their reason.

 

 

 

Really? Every single one? It would take a lunatic to believe that.

 

The fact is CO2 is a greenhouse gas which means there is a positive correlation between higher CO2 content in the atmosphere and warmer temperatures. The questions are 1) How significant is CO2 as a greenhouse gas 2) What other factors could multiply or diminish the warming effect of CO2 and 3) What politically possible options are available to diminish CO2 in the atmosphere if it is deemed a real threat. In my opinion the only way to diminish CO2 in the atmosphere, given the economic rise of the developing nations, is to find energy sources that are as cheap as those that produce CO2 emissions. If the Western world simply reduces emissions by artificially equalizing the cost of oil and coal with cleaner energies it will do very little to combat the issue of CO2 emissions worldwide.

 

 

The temperature of the surface of Venus right now is about 850 degrees farenheit.

 

The temperature of the surface of Mercury right now is about 350 degrees farenheit.

[ImWithStupid]

Fact, every person pushing this 'man caused global warming' agenda has political or financial gain as their reason.

 

 

Just one more of Times every/all, never/always, opinions that he tries to pass off as fact and is only that way in his delusional mind.

[ImWithStupid]

Really? Every single one? It would take a lunatic to believe that.

 

The fact is CO2 is a greenhouse gas which means there is a positive correlation between higher CO2 content in the atmosphere and warmer temperatures. The questions are 1) How significant is CO2 as a greenhouse gas 2) What other factors could multiply or diminish the warming effect of CO2 and 3) What politically possible options are available to diminish CO2 in the atmosphere if it is deemed a real threat. In my opinion the only way to diminish CO2 in the atmosphere, given the economic rise of the developing nations, is to find energy sources that are as cheap as those that produce CO2 emissions. If the Western world simply reduces emissions by artificially equalizing the cost of oil and coal with cleaner energies it will do very little to combat the issue of CO2 emissions worldwide.

 

 

The temperature of the surface of Venus right now is about 850 degrees farenheit.

 

The temperature of the surface of Mercury right now is about 350 degrees farenheit.

 

 

Agreed, but it's also true that the largest greenhouse gas is water vapor and that the temps on every planet in the inner solar system + Jupiter have gone up along with the Earth's relevant to solar activity.

 

My take and I may be wrong, the Earth and the Sun will do what it wants. What man does to effect either will be insignificant on either raising or lowering the temps on Earth.

 

That said, we should be the best stewards of the earth and yearn for the most responsible means of existence as possible without destroying ourselves in the process.

[RoyalOrleans]

That said, we should be the best stewards of the earth and yearn for the most responsible means of existence as possible without destroying ourselves in the process.

 

Hence my "Privatize the Elephant" thread. The power of private ownership!

[ImWithStupid]

The Space and Science Research Center (SSRC), the leading independent research organization in the United States on the subject of the next climate change, issues today the following warning of imminent crop damage expected to produce food and ethanol shortages for the US and Canada:

 

Over the next 30 months, global temperatures are expected to make another dramatic drop even greater than that seen during the 2007-2008 period. As the Earth’s current El Nino dissipates, the planet will return to the long term temperature decline brought on by the Sun’s historic reduction in output, the on-going “solar hibernation.� In follow-up to the specific global temperature forecast posted in SSRC Press Release 4-2009, the SSRC advises that in order to return to the long term decline slope from the current El Nino induced high temperatures, a significant global cold weather re-direction must occur. According to SSRC Director John Casey, “The Earth typically makes adjustments in major temperature spikes within two to three years. In this case as we cool down from El Nino, we are dealing with the combined effects of this planetary thermodynamic normalization and the influence of the more powerful underlying global temperature downturn brought on by the solar hibernation. Both forces will present the first opportunity since the period of Sun-caused global warming period ended to witness obvious harmful agricultural impacts of the new cold climate. Analysis shows that food and crop derived fuel will for the first time, become threatened in the next two and a half years. Though the SSRC does not get involved with short term weather prediction, it would not be unusual to see these ill-effects this year much less within the next 30 months.�

 

http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html