Guest NewsBot Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Now more than ever, it's the old guy against the agent of change.... By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON More... Quote
snafu Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 You know I am worried about how old McCain is and so his running mate might be a big factor. But I think his military and political experiences are more important than someone running around clambering for change. What change? I mean of course there’s gotta be change. McCain will change things too but Obama is using “change” as a political battle cry for ignorant people that have no clue what he’s changing. Sounds nice but what the hell dose he know? We have the economy to worry about. We have our boarders to worry about. We have the two wars we’re in right now to deal with along with N. Korea and especially Iran to worry about. All these need changes. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
wez Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 What gets me is why "we" believe it has to be an either or choice between these two guys? It's like choosing between a finger up the ass or a poke in the eye.. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 You know I am worried about how old McCain is and so his running mate might be a big factor. Ronald Reagan was pretty much the same age as McCain when he was elected. Quote
phreakwars Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 What gets me is why "we" believe it has to be an either or choice between these two guys? It's like choosing between a finger up the ass or a poke in the eye.. I hear the Obama supporters tend to LIKE the finger in their ass. Well... some of them do anyway... then again, some of the McCain supporters are known best for fingering asses. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
Chi Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 I hear the Obama supporters tend to LIKE the finger in their ass. Well... some of them do anyway... then again, some of the McCain supporters are known best for fingering asses. . . I'm an Obama supporter and I can attest that I don't like anything even near my ass.... Quote
Chi Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 You know I am worried about how old McCain is and so his running mate might be a big factor. But I think his military and political experiences are more important than someone running around clambering for change. What change? I mean of course there?s gotta be change. McCain will change things too but Obama is using ?change? as a political battle cry for ignorant people that have no clue what he?s changing. Sounds nice but what the hell dose he know? We have the economy to worry about. We have our boarders to worry about. We have the two wars we?re in right now to deal with along with N. Korea and especially Iran to worry about. All these need changes. McCain's military and his so-called political experiences won't matter much if he croaks mid term. Also, I think McCain having been tortured and coming from such a military-minded family might skew his views about war a bit. It makes him view war as something normal and almost like if there is nothing wrong with it. Personally, I am so tired of this war already and I'm not even serving in it. McCain has said it himself, that he has no plans of ending it any time soon. Now he wants to change his stance (his advisors must've had something to do with that)and now predicts the war to end in 2013. Why 2013? Some people believe because that way IF he wins the presidency, he can go through his first term without any commitments or pressures to end the war and then can still run for a 2nd term and can continue to drag the war on if he likes. Regarding Obama, ignorant is those who don't know and don't bother to educate themselves on what makes Obama different than some of our past presidents and most politicians around. Ejumacate yourselves, people! Quote
phreakwars Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 How do you call getting shot down and being captured by the enemy having political experience? I don't understand how anyone can call this guy a hero. Hero for being a prisoner of war? OK, if you wanna call that heroic. McCain is just riding the "PATRIOTISM" angle ticket. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
snafu Posted July 7, 2008 Posted July 7, 2008 How do you call getting shot down and being captured by the enemy having political experience? I don't understand how anyone can call this guy a hero. Hero for being a prisoner of war? OK, if you wanna call that heroic. McCain is just riding the "PATRIOTISM" angle ticket. . . He was a POW for 5 1/2 years! Yeah he's a hero alright and you can't take that away from him. But just being shot down and serving his country in a POW camp isn't the only thing that makes his experience worth more. Just being in the armed forces has a great wealth of knowledge. I think military service should be a prerequisite to becoming the commander and chief. Chi you have it backwards. What you want in a president is not someone who has no idea of the harsh reality of war. McCain is not going to be calas to the thought of people lying thier lives on the line. He's not going to want service men and women to go through the pain and torture he endured. And as far as changing his mind on Iraq, so do I. There has to come a time when we need to pull out. The object though is do it at the right time. With Iran becoming more and more of a threat we will need to reserve our troops for that oncoming war. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
Old Salt Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 He was a POW for 5 1/2 years! Yeah he's a hero alright and you can't take that away from him. But just being shot down and serving his country in a POW camp isn't the only thing that makes his experience worth more. Just being in the armed forces has a great wealth of knowledge. I think military service should be a prerequisite to becoming the commander and chief. Chi you have it backwards. What you want in a president is not someone who has no idea of the harsh reality of war. McCain is not going to be calas to the thought of people lying thier lives on the line. He's not going to want service men and women to go through the pain and torture he endured. And as far as changing his mind on Iraq, so do I. There has to come a time when we need to pull out. The object though is do it at the right time. With Iran becoming more and more of a threat we will need to reserve our troops for that oncoming war.I agree, snaf. The vast majority of military men, and women, understand and hate war. The thing is, once a war is inevitable they're (hopefully) ready to bring it to a speedy conclusion - as long as the politicians don't interfere too much. They're also less likely to drum up false reasons to go to war. Change is good. Change simply for the sake of change is not always good - can have unintended consequences. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 I'm an Obama supporter and I can attest that I don't like anything even near my ass.... I hope that doesn't include toilet paper. Yuck butt. Quote
Old Salt Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 McCain has said it himself, that he has no plans of ending it any time soon. Now he wants to change his stance (his advisors must've had something to do with that)and now predicts the war to end in 2013. Why 2013? Some people believe because that way IF he wins the presidency, he can go through his first term without any commitments or pressures to end the war and then can still run for a 2nd term and can continue to drag the war on if he likes.I think that the original statement was that he didn't want to leave Iraq until the job was done, that the US military would probably be in Iraq for a long time, and not that he wanted the war to go on forever. Quote
phreakwars Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 I think that the original statement was that he didn't want to leave Iraq until the job was done, that the US military would probably be in Iraq for a long time, and not that he wanted the war to go on forever. Personally, I say the job is done. I find it very stupid to say leaving would be "surrendering". The job is done, it is time to bring the troops home. Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki demands US withdrawal timetable - Times Online . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
Old Salt Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 Personally, I say the job is done. I find it very stupid to say leaving would be "surrendering". The job is done, it is time to bring the troops home. Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki demands US withdrawal timetable - Times Online . .You may be right. But we still gotta clean up our mess before we go home. Quote
phreakwars Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 You may be right. But we still gotta clean up our mess before we go home. Hell no, they have a huge enough population that they will be able to provide tons of jobs to the people to help mop up the mess. It's what they need to do to truly be "liberated" and terrorist free... clean up the mess themselves. The job ( still not clear what that job was ) is done, don't make us have to come back in here and start cracking skulls, the troops are going home to fukk their spouses and pop open an ice cold 12 pack. Nobody would be surrendering ANYTHING. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
snafu Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 We didn’t want the insurgents to know we have a timeline. They would simply sit back, stock pile their arms and wait it out. I think we’ve given the Iraqi government time now to handle it themselves with a watchful eye on the situation. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
phreakwars Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 Ah, so we should SNEAK OUT, like we were never there, surprise the "terrorists". That wouldn't be surrendering that way. No way would they try anything huh? . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
hugo Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 We should go a bit further and withdrawal our Korean and European troops while we are at it. You can't have an empire and small government. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Chi Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 I hope that doesn't include toilet paper. Yuck butt. Um, of course not. I even use soap and water between showers if you must know, and of course shower regularly, so.... Quote
snafu Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Um, of course not. I even use soap and water between showers if you must know, and of course shower regularly, so.... So she's sqeaky clean! Dem's good eatens dat a way. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
wez Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 I just heard a sound bite of McInsane blathering about insuring equal pay for equal work and equal opportunities... Sounds like a commie liberal to me... I guess 15 cents an hour sounds pretty good in the new and improved global economy... hahaha.. also saw yesterday that someone asked him if he knows how to win wars, why did we lose Vietnam? Quote
ImWithStupid Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 I just heard a sound bite of McInsane blathering about insuring equal pay for equal work and equal opportunities... Sounds like a commie liberal to me... I have come to the conclusion that McCain is the Democratic candidate this election and Obama is the Socialist Party candidate. hahaha.. also saw yesterday that someone asked him if he knows how to win wars, why did we lose Vietnam? I don't think McCain, as a Lieutenant who spent most of the Vietnam War injured from almost dying when his ship caught fire or in a POW camp had much to do with winning or losing the conflict. That war was lost in the US by the politicians in Washington D.C. Quote
phreakwars Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 That war was lost in the US by the politicians in Washington D.C. And the terrible pilots who couldn't fly planes and let themselves get captured by the enemy. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
wez Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 And the terrible pilots who couldn't fly planes and let themselves get captured by the enemy. . . Yeah.. real men and heros don't get captured.. Quote
hugo Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 I have come to the conclusion that McCain is the Democratic candidate this election and Obama is the Socialist Party candidate. That has been pretty much the situation in every election sice '64 with the exception of the Reagan elections. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
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