If we let Europe decide...

[RoyalOrleans]

That was a fine moment for the red, white, and blue...

 

He was prolly so wracked with dementia, however, that he didn't even realize it...

 

From his speeches, he didn't seem too out of it.

 

Reagan may have suffered from dementia, but Obama suffers from delusions.

[wez]

 

Reagan may have suffered from dementia, but Obama suffers from delusions.

 

 

Gotta agree there..

[hugo]

Give Newt much of the credit for the lower deficit during the Clinton administration. If the Republicans had not killed Hillarycare the deficit would have zoomed. Most of the decrease in the deficit was the direct result of lower military spending due to the Cold War victory. A victory that Reagan must be given much credit for. People tend to forget it is Congress that ultimately controls spending.

[RoyalOrleans]

Give Newt much of the credit for the lower deficit during the Clinton administration. If the Republicans had not killed Hillarycare the deficit would have zoomed. Most of the decrease in the deficit was the direct result of lower military spending due to the Cold War victory. A victory that Reagan must be given much credit for. People tend to forget it is Congress that ultimately controls spending.

 

The Contract with America hard at work!

[Chi]

This will seem like deja vu if he is elected. He and a Dem controlled Congress will likely increase the size of government and the the budget several times over, all at the expense of you and I in income and payroll tax.

 

You realize that increase from 70,000 to 400,000 in it's budget, isn't money earned, right. It is at tax payer expense.

 

Now that may very well be. But would you prefer that tax money to be given to those people in the form of a welfare check? Or in a way that will aid them to get an education, get job training, and make them self-sufficient, contributing members of society?

 

Never-ending handouts or tools that will help cut people off the government tit? Which do you think will pay off better in the long run?

[Chi]

Yeah... like tripling or quadrupling the national debt.

 

Swelling government's numbers by fifty percent.

 

The last thing we need is a bigger national debt and government personel, Bush the Younger has already accomplished that.

 

Much to the dismay of the bandwagoners, lemmings, et. al.; Obama's tenure will be likened to Bush the Younger's presidency and Jimmy Carter's term.

 

Well, we shall see. If he gets elected of course.

[RoyalOrleans]

Now that may very well be. But would you prefer that tax money to be given to those people in the form of a welfare check? Or in a way that will aid them to get an education, get job training, and make them self-sufficient, contributing members of society?

 

Never-ending handouts or tools that will help cut people off the government tit? Which do you think will pay off better in the long run?

 

I'm not a big opponent to government assistance for education.I went to college on the GI Bill, but the taxpayers and government owed me that much for risking my neck in the Gulf War. I served four years and I took four years, we are even and I am ever grateful. The American People are grateful, too, or at least the folk in my hometown were proud to see me return.

 

Grants, allowances, etc for education, issued by the government, should be earned on merit. Either in the service of the country, outstanding community service, and/or academic acheivements.

 

I am a proponent to welfare and the support of those who suck the teet of governemnt. Lazy, leeching Americans will be forced to look for work and this will push illegal immigrants out jobs and hopefully back home. Suddenly, back-breaking labor doesn't sound so bad when you're homeless and starving.

 

Now I do believe in some assistance to those in dire need, but they should be privately funded through charities and similar organizations. Not on my dollar! My dollar will go to the charity that I decide and not through a government agency and then to a single mother who can't keep her legs closed.

 

The government dictates how you ought to live your life with every penny spent on welfare.

[RoyalOrleans]

Well, we shall see. If he gets elected of course.

 

Yes, we shall see.

 

If he does, you'll throw your hands up in glee, but by the end of his term you'll be throwing your hands up with the middle finger extended.

 

Mark my words, if elected, it will be a lameduck administration.

[phreakwars]

No way it will be a lame duck administration if the DEMS get a majority of seats in congress, and by the looks of it, that is probably going to happen as well.

 

Like or hate Obama all you want, the consensus among voters is to get their DEMOCRATIC ELECTED OFFICIAL into Washington.

 

I think that has more significance then just the Presidential race.

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[wez]

No way it will be a lame duck administration if the DEMS get a majority of seats in congress, and by the looks of it, that is probably going to happen as well.

 

Like or hate Obama all you want, the consensus among voters is to get their DEMOCRATIC ELECTED OFFICIAL into Washington.

 

I think that has more significance then just the Presidential race.

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On a positve note, things sure can't be any worse than the 8 years we just had with perhaps the stupidest man on planet Earth..

 

 

The way I see it, whoever the handful of ghosts are that really choose the pres had a brainstorm that Obama can clean up their mess and image around the world... Specially the Muslim world..

 

"Sorry we've been interfering in your affairs for 60 years.. Arming both sides of your holy war whilst stealing your oil... See, we elected a black man with a middle eastern name. Don't hate us."

 

We don't elect the real decision makers.. Their ghosts.. and they aim to keep it that way.

[RoyalOrleans]

No way it will be a lame duck administration if the DEMS get a majority of seats in congress, and by the looks of it, that is probably going to happen as well.

 

Like or hate Obama all you want, the consensus among voters is to get their DEMOCRATIC ELECTED OFFICIAL into Washington.

 

I think that has more significance then just the Presidential race.

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The American people MAY get out and vote their favored son into the office of the President, but the chances of the same people voting in an election for a senator or a local rep are slim to none.

[RoyalOrleans]

On a positve note, things sure can't be any worse than the 8 years we just had with perhaps the stupidest man on planet Earth..

 

When did you say you would be running for president?

 

"Sorry we've been interfering in your affairs for 60 years.. Arming both sides of your holy war whilst stealing your oil... See, we elected a black man with a middle eastern name. Don't hate us."

 

Last I looked, we are a capitalistic society. Arming either side of the combatants is no more sinful than the candy and women's magazines at the checkout stand.

 

I'm sure our first thought might have been, "Well.. they'll blow themselves up and we can step in and claim their oil.". Didn't work exactly like that, but we certainly didn't steal any oil. Last I looked, they have been raping us for years.

 

We don't elect the real decision makers.. Their ghosts.. and they aim to keep it that way.

 

I bet Scooby Doo and his gang could figure it out.

 

Freddy removes the mask of Dick Cheney.

 

All gasp. "SATAN?"

 

Satan replies, "Yeah and I would of gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't a been for you meddling kids.".

[wez]

When did you say you would be running for president?

 

I'd make a horrible prez... I don't lick ass and I'm not too motivated by money.

 

 

 

Last I looked, we are a capitalistic society. Arming either side of the combatants is no more sinful than the candy and women's magazines at the checkout stand.

 

I'm sure our first thought might have been, "Well.. they'll blow themselves up and we can step in and claim their oil.". Didn't work exactly like that, but we certainly didn't steal any oil. Last I looked, they have been raping us for years.

 

Never said it was, but one can expect ordinary people to get a bit pissed about it after 6 decades. And "they" are a pretty small group of folks who take all that money while their citizenship rabbles in squalor. Raping us? hahahahaha... yeah. I don't see them over wanting anything of ours but our worthless dollars, weapons, and "protection" of a sloth "Royal Family".. Paper and muscle for oil... cool. I have some scurvy blankets and booze for that big shiny yellow nugget there..

 

 

Next year.. we'll trade you this lovely desert for your forests and rivers.. or else.

 

Perhaps we should trade what's left of our forests for the desert sands of Arabia..

 

I bet Scooby Doo and his gang could figure it out.

 

Freddy removes the mask of Dick Cheney.

 

All gasp. "SATAN?"

 

Satan replies, "Yeah and I would of gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't a been for you meddling kids.".

 

Yeah, no such thing as lobbists, favors, peer pressure and corruption in our guv.. My bad.

 

Funny.. most of them lobbyists are former congressmen and senators.. wonder how that works?

 

Why has every prez for the last 40 years been on the same path of self destruction?

[ImWithStupid]

At least the entire national debt got paid off and then some during his term..

 

The only reason that happened was because the Repubs took over Congress with their contract with America, and only passed fiscally responsible bills on to Clinton to sign. Unfortunately they lost sight of their purpose after Newt left office and then when W got in office they started spending money like Democrats or drunken sailors.

 

I think Ronnie started the ball rolling with his stupid fukking war on drugs.. The invisible hand grew huge from his bull .. All while he claimed the opposite. He was prolly senile his last 6 years in office..

 

Ronald Reagan was the closest thing we have had to a conservative president since Teddy Roosevelt. The war on drugs wasn't started by Ron. Nixon declared our country was in a war on drugs in the 70's created the DEA, and congress passed an act allowing for new drug laws with the current drug schedule.

[hugo]

essays & effluvia: Europeans Overwhelmingly Favor Kerry for President Europe always favors the major party US Presidential candidate who is the strongest socialist (the Democrat). Nothing new here. We did not obtain superpower status by imitating Europe; in fact, we obtained superpower status by partially rejecting the socialist agenda of Europe. Sadly, I had to qualify the previous statement with the adjective partially.

[RoyalOrleans]

Why has every prez for the last 40 years been on the same path of self destruction?

 

I can think of a two-termer that wasn't. Reagan.

[wez]

I can think of a two-termer that wasn't. Reagan.

 

 

Nuclear proliferation was rampant under Reagan and Reagonomics was nothing but providing jobs and business on the tax dole directly and indirectely thanks to those new drug laws.. Nice legacy he left us.. Prisons up the ass and a bunch of new "criminals" to toss into them..

 

I was an 11 - 19 year old, long haired rebel during his administration.. I saw most adults and politicians for what they were.. Lying sacs of .. Needless to say, I wasn't impressed..

[ImWithStupid]

Nuclear proliferation was rampant under Reagan and Reagonomics was nothing but providing jobs and business on the tax dole directly and indirectely thanks to those new drug laws.. Nice legacy he left us.. Prisons up the ass and a bunch of new "criminals" to toss into them..

 

I was an 11 - 19 year old, long haired rebel during his administration.. I saw most adults and politicians for what they were.. Lying sacs of .. Needless to say, I wasn't impressed..

 

Reagan brought us out of the biggest recession since the depression, via Jimmy Carter, and with Margaret Thatcher and the Pope brought the USSR to it's knees, paving the way to the end of the cold war that was only able to be achieved by amping up our military beyond what the USSR's economy could handle.

[wez]

Reagan brought us out of the biggest recession since the depression, via Jimmy Carter, and with Margaret Thatcher and the Pope brought the USSR to it's knees, paving the way to the end of the cold war that was only able to be achieved by amping up our military beyond what the USSR's economy could handle.

 

 

 

I think the fall of the USSR was of their own doing more than anything.. But you're right, there was indeed some great things that happened during the Reagan years.. I personally think that's where we, the US, dropped the ball.. That was our moment to seize the role as world leader and walk the talk.. Sadly, seems we chose hypocrisy and greed... Look at us now.

 

The cold war was a bad joke really... We're closer than ever to some lunitic getting ahold of a nuke.. I'm sad to say I'm kinda surprised it hasn't happened already. Only a matter of time I fear..

 

Really.. what are we gonna do if some phuckhead blows off a suitcase nuke in New York or DC ? Wipe out Russia 14 times? Every angle I look at weapons proliferation to bring down anyone or anything or to be someone and something, I come to one conclusion.. Retarded.

 

You gotta remember.. and if my buddy TJ comes back he'll tell you.. I'm a weak pacifist..

 

 

I'm stupid like Ghandi and Jesus..

[Chi]

I'm not a big opponent to government assistance for education.I went to college on the GI Bill, but the taxpayers and government owed me that much for risking my neck in the Gulf War. I served four years and I took four years, we are even and I am ever grateful. The American People are grateful, too, or at least the folk in my hometown were proud to see me return.

 

Grants, allowances, etc for education, issued by the government, should be earned on merit. Either in the service of the country, outstanding community service, and/or academic acheivements.

 

I am a proponent to welfare and the support of those who suck the teet of governemnt. Lazy, leeching Americans will be forced to look for work and this will push illegal immigrants out jobs and hopefully back home. Suddenly, back-breaking labor doesn't sound so bad when you're homeless and starving.

 

Now I do believe in some assistance to those in dire need, but they should be privately funded through charities and similar organizations. Not on my dollar! My dollar will go to the charity that I decide and not through a government agency and then to a single mother who can't keep her legs closed.

 

The government dictates how you ought to live your life with every penny spent on welfare.

 

Hey, I'm against giving money to whose who don't and won't help themselves, too. That's why I liked what he did, he at least helped make people be self-sufficient with those programs. But I agree with what you said here.

[Chi]

Yes, we shall see.

 

If he does, you'll throw your hands up in glee, but by the end of his term you'll be throwing your hands up with the middle finger extended.

 

Mark my words, if elected, it will be a lameduck administration.

 

Fair enough. We shall see.

 

Believe it or not, I wanted Bush to get elected both times. I still stand by that decision.

[wez]

 

Believe it or not, I wanted Bush to get elected both times. I still stand by that decision.

 

 

They call it "foolish" pride for a reason.

 

 

I had nightmares of him being elected... and unfortunately they all came true.

[RoyalOrleans]

Hey, I'm against giving money to whose who don't and won't help themselves, too. That's why I liked what he did, he at least helped make people be self-sufficient with those programs. But I agree with what you said here.

 

Those with any self-respect, dignity, and motivation needs no help and do not cry about their "fair share".

 

They crack books.

 

Take two jobs.

 

Cut expenses.

 

The sloth and the gluttons have sucked from the teet of welfare far too long. It's time to end this bullsh!t once and for all.

[RoyalOrleans]

Fair enough. We shall see.

 

Believe it or not, I wanted Bush to get elected both times. I still stand by that decision.

 

So we're equally efficient at picking losers.

[RoyalOrleans]

I think the fall of the USSR was of their own doing more than anything.. But you're right, there was indeed some great things that happened during the Reagan years.. I personally think that's where we, the US, dropped the ball.. That was our moment to seize the role as world leader and walk the talk.. Sadly, seems we chose hypocrisy and greed... Look at us now.

 

Could you be a little more vague?

 

The cold war was a bad joke really... We're closer than ever to some lunitic getting ahold of a nuke.. I'm sad to say I'm kinda surprised it hasn't happened already. Only a matter of time I fear..

 

Really.. what are we gonna do if some phuckhead blows off a suitcase nuke in New York or DC ? Wipe out Russia 14 times? Every angle I look at weapons proliferation to bring down anyone or anything or to be someone and something, I come to one conclusion.. Retarded.

 

Woe be to the tard that unleashes a nuke in an American city or a city of our allies.

 

You think France would sit idly by while nukes fly over their little cafes?

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE]YouTube - End Of Ze World[/ame]

 

You gotta remember.. and if my buddy TJ comes back he'll tell you.. I'm a weak pacifist..

 

I'm stupid like Ghandi and Jesus..

 

Too easy... ROLLEYES.