If we let Europe decide...

[hugo]

What Ronald Reagan did best was espouse the virtues of neoclassical economic theory. Before Reagan both parties were entrenched in socialist Keynesian theory.

 

In the last year Iraq has greatly stabilized. History may remember Bush fairy well. He is too damn liberal for me but much better than Gore, Kerry or Obama. Before bashing Bush voters ya better examine who Bush's major opponent was. Had I lived in a battleground state I would have held my nose and voted for GW.

[wez]

Could you be a little more vague?

 

Us good, them bad...

 

 

 

Woe be to the tard that unleashes a nuke in an American city or a city of our allies.

 

You think France would sit idly by while nukes fly over their little cafes?

 

What would we do? What if it was another Tim McVie? What if we don't know who the hell it was?

 

 

Too easy... ROLLEYES.

 

hahahaha.. yeah.. Ghandi and Jesus had it easy.

 

What's too easy is to resort to violence.. And live in a perpetual circle of sh t for 2000 years..

[RoyalOrleans]

Us good, them bad...

 

No.. no. We always have to be right.

 

 

What would we do? What if it was another Tim McVie? What if we don't know who the hell it was?

 

The world ain't a Hollywood film, wez. We know our enemies and will retaliate.

 

If it's a Timothy McVey type, then it is seriously doubtful that they could get a hold of a nuclear weapon. Let alone, have a place to store it and a method to deliver it.

 

What's too easy is to resort to violence.. And live in a perpetual circle of sh t for 2000 years..

 

Violence is a base human emotion, nothing wrong with GETTING IN F CKIN' TOUCH WITH YOUR EMOTIONS!

 

I for one have found boxing and skeet-shooting does wonders for that emotion.

[RoyalOrleans]

What Ronald Reagan did best was espouse the virtues of neoclassical economic theory. Before Reagan both parties were entrenched in socialist Keynesian theory.

 

In the last year Iraq has greatly stabilized. History may remember Bush fairy well. He is too damn liberal for me but much better than Gore, Kerry or Obama. Before bashing Bush voters ya better examine who Bush's major opponent was. Had I lived in a battleground state I would have held my nose and voted for GW.

 

What kills me; the Democrats could not come up with anyone that could beat Bush the Younger?

[ImWithStupid]

What kills me; the Democrats could not come up with anyone that could beat Bush the Younger?

 

I've said that from the get go. The only reason he won in 2004 is that John Kerry was the best the Dems could come up with.

[wez]

No.. no. We always have to be right.

 

Course we are... Or else..

 

 

The world ain't a Hollywood film, wez. We know our enemies and will retaliate.

 

If it's a Timothy McVey type, then it is seriously doubtful that they could get a hold of a nuclear weapon. Let alone, have a place to store it and a method to deliver it.

 

Great... we can evaporate with the satisfaction of revenge...

 

What if our enemies have no country to nuke? Like Al Qaida.. Take out China for the hell of it?

 

Violence is a base human emotion, nothing wrong with GETTING IN F CKIN' TOUCH WITH YOUR EMOTIONS!

 

I for one have found boxing and skeet-shooting does wonders for that emotion.

 

 

I beg to differ.. violence is not an emotion.. a reaction to a base human emotion.. fear.

 

 

Do you pet bunnies to get in touch with your compassion and empathy?

[hugo]

Dec 1835:

 

The Maori decide to celebrate the holiday season by visiting the Moriori on the Chatham Islands. They announce the Moriori are now their slaves and kill a few who object. The Moriori react by having a council meeting where they decide not to fight back but to offer peace, friendship and division of resources. Before they can make this generous offer the Maori attack kill hundreds of Moriori, many of whom they cook and eat, and enslave the rest.

 

Moral: Pacifists are an important source of protein in the warrior diet

[wez]

Dec 1835:

 

The Maori decide to celebrate the holiday season by visiting the Moriori on the Chatham Islands. They announce the Moriori are now their slaves and kill a few who object. The Moriori react by having a council meeting where they decide not to fight back but to offer peace, friendship and division of resources. Before they can make this generous offer the Maori attack kill hundreds of Moriori, many of whom they cook and eat, and enslave the rest.

 

Moral: Pacifists are an important source of protein in the warrior diet

 

Hahahahaha...

[RoyalOrleans]

Course we are... Or else..

 

The Big Brother personna is something that we are going to have to drop in the coming years. Sure, it's all well and good to help out our friends and allies, but a line is easily crossed. That line is the one that divides HELP and AUTHORITY.

 

We do not have any right to tell people how to live.

 

Great... we can evaporate with the satisfaction of revenge...

 

I'd be satisfied while my flesh falls from the bone.

 

What if our enemies have no country to nuke? Like Al Qaida.. Take out China for the hell of it?

 

Then we'd have to manufacture our own American Flags.

 

I beg to differ.. violence is not an emotion.. a reaction to a base human emotion.. fear.

 

Do you pet bunnies to get in touch with your compassion and empathy?

 

Ok... you called me out. Yes, violence is better described as a reaction to an emotion.

 

I eat bunnies. I don't empathize with food.

[wez]

The Big Brother personna is something that we are going to have to drop in the coming years. Sure, it's all well and good to help out our friends and allies, but a line is easily crossed. That line is the one that divides HELP and AUTHORITY.

 

We do not have any right to tell people how to live.

 

Here here.. We look especially stupid telling everyone they can't have nukes while we sit on enough to destroy the planet 25 times over.. Good investment by the way..

 

Would you trust a guy on the next block who told you that you couldn't have your pistol, or else, while he has a basement full of them with no intention to get rid of his own?

 

 

I'd be satisfied while my flesh falls from the bone.

 

Cause if you can't have her, no one can...

 

 

 

Then we'd have to manufacture our own American Flags.

 

Cool.. we can use the money we pay farmers to not grow food..

 

 

Ok... you called me out. Yes, violence is better described as a reaction to an emotion.

 

I eat bunnies. I don't empathize with food.

 

 

Hahahahaha... neither did those cannibals..

 

Perhaps a steady diet of Iraqi's is in order...

[RoyalOrleans]

Here here.. We look especially stupid telling everyone they can't have nukes while we sit on enough to destroy the planet 25 times over.. Good investment by the way..

 

Yeah... don't mess with the U.S.

 

Would you trust a guy on the next block who told you that you couldn't have your pistol, or else, while he has a basement full of them with no intention to get rid of his own?

 

No, I would not. I live in the United States of America where my right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

 

If you're allegorically refering to the UN Security Council's investigation into nuclear proliferation in several countries deemed a threat to the interests of the world, then you are comparing apples and potatoes.

 

Some base similarities exist and sometimes it sounds a bit hypocritical, but the purpose is to keep nuclear weapons and other WMDs out of the hands of known dictatorships, those who harbor terrorists, et. al.

 

 

Cause if you can't have her, no one can...

 

What?

 

 

Cool.. we can use the money we pay farmers to not grow food..

 

What?

 

 

Hahahahaha... neither did those cannibals..

 

Perhaps a steady diet of Iraqi's is in order...

 

I don't like dark meat.

[wez]

Yeah... don't mess with the U.S.

 

Hypocrisy stinks...

 

 

No, I would not. I live in the United States of America where my right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

 

If you're allegorically refering to the UN Security Council's investigation into nuclear proliferation in several countries deemed a threat to the interests of the world, then you are comparing apples and potatoes.

 

Some base similarities exist and sometimes it sounds a bit hypocritical, but the purpose is to keep nuclear weapons and other WMDs out of the hands of known dictatorships, those who harbor terrorists, et. al.

 

It sounds hypocritical cause it is hypocritical.. Put yourself on the other side. They should trust us as much as you'd trust that guy on the next block..

 

 

 

What?

 

 

It's the same mentality as a moron who kills their spouse because if he can't her, no one can.. OJ for pres!

 

 

 

 

What?

 

We subsidize and pay farmers to not grow food.. Must want to manipulate food supply and price.. We should use that money to make our own flags and let farmers farm food..

 

 

 

 

I don't like dark meat.

 

Fine.. let's invade Switzerland...

[ImWithStupid]

Fine.. let's invade Switzerland...

 

Woo hoo! Then instead of the promise of a chicken, we can have chocolate, cheese, watches and knives in every pot.

 

.

[wez]

Woo hoo! Then instead of the promise of a chicken, we can have chocolate, cheese, watches and knives in every pot.

 

 

I may just trade in my pacifist gloves for a piece of that action..

[wez]

You know.. there was prolly a time when the British Crown dubbed George Washington and Paul Revere terrorists too... And had to keep weapons out of their hands..

[RoyalOrleans]

Hypocrisy stinks...

 

...smells of elderberries.

 

It sounds hypocritical cause it is hypocritical.. Put yourself on the other side. They should trust us as much as you'd trust that guy on the next block..

 

It's not being hypocritical if we are trying to protect the interests and/or consensus of the rest of the UN. Do we, and our allies, really want North Korea or Iran with the ability to obliterate their enemies?

 

Ohh... and that guy down the block, will have to pry my pistols and rifles from my cold dead hands. This goes for any agent of the government. Again, my right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

 

It's the same mentality as a moron who kills their spouse because if he can't her, no one can.. OJ for pres!

 

Now you're sounding like a duck.

 

You know what a duck sounds like? He quacks.

 

We subsidize and pay farmers to not grow food.. Must want to manipulate food supply and price.. We should use that money to make our own flags and let farmers farm food..

 

Quack quack quack

 

Fine.. let's invade Switzerland...

 

Freakin' squareheads have had it way too easy.

[RoyalOrleans]

Woo hoo! Then instead of the promise of a chicken, we can have chocolate, cheese, watches and knives in every pot.

 

.

 

I'd give that Swiss Miss chick a reason to yodel.

[RoyalOrleans]

You know.. there was prolly a time when the British Crown dubbed George Washington and Paul Revere terrorists too... And had to keep weapons out of their hands..

 

Now you're starting to think like a sensible fukken man.

[wez]

...smells of elderberries.

 

Elderberries must reek of sh t..

 

It's not being hypocritical if we are trying to protect the interests and/or consensus of the rest of the UN. Do we, and our allies, really want North Korea or Iran with the ability to obliterate their enemies?

 

Ohh... and that guy down the block, will have to pry my pistols and rifles from my cold dead hands. This goes for any agent of the government. Again, my right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

 

The British Empire was just protecting their interests too..

 

If you were Iranian or North Korean, would you want your enemies to be able to obliterate you, and try to stop you from being able to return the favor, or else?

 

Why don't we grant that same 2nd amendment right to soverien nations?

 

 

Now you're sounding like a duck.

 

You know what a duck sounds like? He quacks.

 

 

Then what is the sense of devoloping weapons that can destroy the Earth 193 times? My way, or the highway to hell?

 

 

Quack quack quack

 

 

You lost me at Q...

 

 

Freakin' hoopleheads have had it way too easy.

 

 

 

Their days are numbered...

[wez]

Would you like to see britannia,

Rule again, my friend?

All you have to do is follow the worms.

Would you like to send our colored cousins,

Home again, my friend?

All you need to do is follow the worms. ~ Roger Waters

 

 

 

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Elderberries must reek of sh t..

 

With a faint hint of urine.

 

The British Empire was just protecting their interests too..

 

Yes, they were protecting their interests and they lost.

 

If you were Iranian or North Korean, would you want your enemies to be able to obliterate you, and try to stop you from being able to return the favor, or else?

 

If I were Korean or Iranian, I would be on the next boat to America.

 

Why don't we grant that same 2nd amendment right to soverien nations?

 

It's not up to the United States to decide that, the UN has to agree upon the terms in those regards.

 

Then what is the sense of devoloping weapons that can destroy the Earth 193 times? My way' date=' or the highway to hell?[/quote']

 

Just to say that "we did it".

 

You lost me at Q...

 

You lost me at wez...

 

Their days are numbered...

 

I will re-enlist. I hear there are openings in the Old Navy.

[wez]

With a faint hint of urine.

 

Yum...

 

 

Yes, they were protecting their interests and they lost.

 

 

I don't subscribe to the might = right theory. I believe there are fundamental right and wrong when it comes to dealing with others of my species..

 

 

I hear it's a popular belief in the idiot who can't out think a bowling ball and rapist crowd though..

 

 

If I were Korean or Iranian' date=' I would be on the next boat to America.[/quote']

 

So had you been a "Native American" like the one in your avatar there, you woulda been on the first shrimp boat to tuna town to suckle the teat of the Royal Crown cause they were mightier?

 

 

 

Just to say that "we did it".

 

Bloody brilliant of us...

 

 

 

You lost me at wez...

 

I'll try to talk slower next time..

 

 

 

I will re-enlist. I hear there are openings in the Old Navy.

 

I'm in...

[wez]

It's not up to the United States to decide that, the UN has to agree upon the terms in those regards.

 

 

1955-1992:

 

Resolution 106: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"

 

111: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"

 

127: ". . . 'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"

 

162: ". . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"

 

171: ". . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"

 

228: ". . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"

 

237: ". . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"

 

248: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"

 

250: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"

 

251: ". . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"

 

252: ". . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"

 

256: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation""

 

259: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"

 

262: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"

 

265: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"

 

267: ". . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"

 

270: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon" Resolution 271: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"

 

279: ". . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"

 

280: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"

 

285: ". . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"

 

298: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"

 

313: ". . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"

 

316: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"

 

317: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"

 

332: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"

 

337: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"

 

347: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"

 

425: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

 

427: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'

 

444: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"

 

446: ". . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

 

450: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"

 

452: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"

 

465: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"

 

467: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"

 

468: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"

 

469: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"

 

471: ". . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

 

476: ". . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"

 

478: ". . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"

 

484: ". . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"

 

487: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"

 

497: ". . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith"

 

498: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"

 

501: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"

 

509: ". . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"

 

515: ". . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"

 

517: ". . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

 

518: ". . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"

 

520: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"

 

573: ". . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters

 

587: ". . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"

 

592: ". . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"

 

605: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians

 

607: ". . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention

 

608: ". . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"

 

636: ". . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians

 

641: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians

 

672: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount

 

673: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations

 

681: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians

 

694: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return

 

726: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians

 

799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

 

(taken from the above-mentioned title, pages 188 - 192)

 

THE FOLLOWING ARE THE RESOLUTIONS VETOED BY THE UNITED STATES DURING THE PERIOD OF SEPTEMBER, 1972, TO MAY, 1990 TO PROTECT ISRAEL FROM COUNCIL CRITICISM:

 

. . . condemned Israel's attack against Southern Lebanon and Syria..."

 

. . . affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections. . . "

 

. . . condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. . . "

 

. . . called for self-determination of Palestinian people. . . "

 

. . deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations . . . "

 

. . . affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people . . . "

 

. . . endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people . . . "

 

. . . demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights . . . "

 

. . . condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations.

 

. . . condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. . . "

 

. . . urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon ... "

 

. . . urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut. . . "

 

. . . urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. . . "

 

. . . condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. . . "

 

. . . deplores Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal. . . "

 

. . . condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression. . . "

 

. . . denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories. . . "

 

. . . deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon. . . "

 

. . . deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. . . "

 

. . . condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane. . . "

 

. . . deplored Israel's attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. . . "

 

. . . called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations. . . "

 

. . . urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices. . . "

 

. . . condemned Israel's . . incursion into Lebanon. . . "

 

. . . deplored Israel's . . . commando raids on Lebanon. . . "

 

. . . deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. . . "

 

. . . deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. . . "

 

. . . demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian intifada . . . "

 

. . . called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands. . . "

 

 

 

When do we put em on the sh t list and move in?

 

For some reason.. I'm not impressed with the UN...

 

Not to mention it's ran and controlled by those with Nukes.. Hahahahaha

[wez]

So if said guy on the next block belonged to a larger organization of guys with basements full of pistols telling you to cease and desist, you would comply?

 

Might = right?

 

One big flaw in that theory.. eventually peoples fear becomes anger which becomes hatred and they dump tea into harbors..

[RoyalOrleans]

Yum...

 

Ehh...

 

I don't subscribe to the might = right theory. I believe there are fundamental right and wrong when it comes to dealing with others of my species..

 

You're saying wharf rats should have nukes?

 

I hear it's a popular belief in the idiot who can't out think a bowling ball and rapist crowd though..

 

Huh? What the fukk are you talking about? Is that Minnesotan?

 

So had you been a "Native American" like the one in your avatar there, you woulda been on the first shrimp boat to tuna town to suckle the teat of the Royal Crown cause they were mightier?

 

I wasn't born yet. How would I know how I would react?