builder Posted August 16, 2006 Posted August 16, 2006 This article details one Muslim's efforts to assimilate, and the barriers that he confronts almost daily, amid the rising paranoia all Muslims are facing now. Is the "war on terror", and the media beat-up of any negative issue relating to Islam, backfiring on us? Are we, as non-Muslims, actually adding to the problem of extremism, simply through induced paranoia and hooded hatred? US President Bush declared that "we are at war with islamo-fascists", adding further fuel to the fire. As a world leader, was that comment simply off-the-cuff reactionary ranting, or words designed to increase the rift between Christianity and Islam? Religious persecution has historically strengthened the resolve of those under persecution, generally resulting in more converts, more separatist attitudes, and more hatred. Mr Sofi sees this wholesale suspicion on the part of the authorities as a significant factor in the recent radicalisation of the young generation of British Muslims. "What happens is that when there is anger, and when young Muslims see that they are being targeted and disproportionately treated because of their faith, it makes them angry. They lose faith and confidence in the system. It provides an opportunity for some elements to engage young people in criminal activities. There has been also unhelpful comments by politicians, and the way the whole thing has been portrayed by the media, which has also had an impact on alienation […] which does provide an excellent opportunity for those who want to exploit these sentiments in terms of engaging youth or other Muslims in criminality." Some would say that this "war" started decades ago, but now that the reality of martyrdom and suicide bombings has reached mainstream western culture, the questions need to be asked; Have we demonised a religion to the point of no return? Is our collective paranoia creating the very monsters we fear? Are the anti-terror laws actually pushing new recruits towards the extremist views? Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted August 16, 2006 Posted August 16, 2006 Apparently young muslims have been the victims of "wholesale suspicion" since the 7th century. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
builder Posted August 17, 2006 Author Posted August 17, 2006 And Christians were persecuted by Rome. How did that one pan out? Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
builder Posted August 18, 2006 Author Posted August 18, 2006 I find it interesting that only MRIH has put his dibbs in here. Where are all the haters of Islam? Where are all the patriots? Demonising another minority, I suppose. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
hugo Posted August 18, 2006 Posted August 18, 2006 I think we need to seperate moderate and radical Islam. No one group suffers more from the actions of radical Islam than moderate muslims. Racial profiling is certainly a legitimate tool in combatting terrorism. A welfare state that propagates poverty is a more likely candidate for creating the despair that could provoke a dumbass to turn to crime. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Jhony5 Posted August 21, 2006 Posted August 21, 2006 Posted by : HUGO Racial profiling is certainly a legitimate tool in combatting terrorism. Legitimate is right. We are fortunate that our enemy has a face. By that I mean, Arabs. To bad for them I suppose. But yet those whom profile Arabs are tauted as racist. Is that racism or realism? What responsibility do Arabs/Muslims bear for the propagation of Islamic terrorism? How is it that education and social development has fallen so short in Arab nations, despite incalculable wealth generated by the presence of crude oil? I think we need to separate moderate and radical Islam. By force or.................??? It seems the more this is attempted, the more the two conjoin. Just take look at Lebanon. The people there seem to think of Hezbolah as saviors. If America road into Lebanon on a White stallion, handing out money to every citizen and rebuilding their homes and business. Bombs would be going off daily. Death and terror would be rampant and the people would take with one hand, and stab with the other. Its not what America does inside the middle-east. Its that we do anything, at all, in the middle-east. Even giving money to Israel is a good reason for murder. My question to you Builder, is this. If America withdrew from the Middle-east, entirely. If America issued a formal apology to the Arab states for our interference. If America cut off all funding to Israel. Do you think America would be held in high regard by not just radical Islam, but all Muslims? My answer. Hell fuck NO! Its always something with that misguided culture. If its not this, its that. We are still classified as 'infidels' according to the Qu'ran. Keeping all outsiders in a defined category for all time. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
hugo Posted August 21, 2006 Posted August 21, 2006 There don't seem to be many moderate arabs when it comes to the state of Israel. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
snafu Posted August 21, 2006 Posted August 21, 2006 Posted by : HUGO Legitimate is right. We are fortunate that our enemy has a face. By that I mean, Arabs. To bad for them I suppose. But yet those whom profile Arabs are tauted as racist. Is that racism or realism? Yes it is a good thing they have a face. And it's realism while were at war. After war it becomes racism that will fix it's self in time. Just like the Krauts, Japs, gooks. These ethnic slurs are gone and the rag head or sand ****** are born. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
Hamza123 Posted August 21, 2006 Posted August 21, 2006 The powers of the world love to keep the opression on minorities... Mostly for economic reasons. If the US has power over foreign oil, they have power over countries like Japan, Russia, China etc... Thats what it is about... and framing Islam is only used as a tool for their disgusting game. Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
hugo Posted August 21, 2006 Posted August 21, 2006 The powers of the world love to keep the opression on minorities... Mostly for economic reasons. If the US has power over foreign oil, they have power over countries like Japan, Russia, China etc... Thats what it is about... and framing Islam is only used as a tool for their disgusting game. That is funny. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Hamza123 Posted August 22, 2006 Posted August 22, 2006 That is funny. Perhaps funny to you, but it is true... If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what the lie was. Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
OmegaManiac Posted August 22, 2006 Posted August 22, 2006 Build a couple of "walmarts" up in that motherfucker and pave the rest, let em fight over the real estate between the sporting goods section and housewares. Quote
Jhony5 Posted August 23, 2006 Posted August 23, 2006 Posted by: Hazma123 The powers of the world love to keep the opression on minorities... Mostly for economic reasons. Excuse me if I'm incorrect, but would it not be beneficial to the entire world economy if "minorities" would pull their shit together? More money generated for the 'greedy white man' to stuff in his wallet? This fucking excuse has been used by every dark skinned three time loser out there. That somehow their own personal failures are the result of racial oppression. Now your moving this to the world stage. Their is no world wide white conspiracy to oppress minorities. I'm not even understanding your use of the word "minorities" here. What exactly is the minority population in Somalia, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria etc? Flat out its BAD for the entirety of the world population, despite the skin color, when 'minorities' leech off those whom have money. Explain clearly what the fuck you meant by this? 1 Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
hugo Posted August 23, 2006 Posted August 23, 2006 Perhaps funny to you, but it is true... If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what the lie was. You are a fool. Read jhony's post. It is quite convenient to blame whitey for all the world's and your personal problems. The problem with it is you fail to face up to reality. The primary problem in the ME is sectarian riffs among Muslims. These existed long before oil had any commercial viability. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Jhony5 Posted August 23, 2006 Posted August 23, 2006 The primary problem in the ME is sectarian riffs among Muslims. To realize this one only needs to close their eyes and in-vision a world populated only by Muslims. Hazma, do you think this world would enjoy the peace and prosperity that has long eluded the Arab people? LOL....oh shit thats funny.... I kid I kid \/\/ O \/\/ I'm funny. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
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