Finally in peace?

[hugo]

http://gemart.8m.com/ramsey/note/index.html

 

Patsy wrote the letter.

[RoyalOrleans]

R.O., I'm surprised that you of all people have bought into the soap opera tabloid bullshit fed to the media by the Colorado P.D.

 

Everyone knows it was some Puerto Rican guy.

 

Anyone with half a dammed brain could look at that case and KNOW, that the Ramsey's were not involved in their daughters murder.

 

To the casual onlooker, yes... it looks cut and dry. I believe there are more to the Ramsey's than meets the eye.

 

Ten years ago, I did not buy into this opinion until this Karr surfaced.

 

Also, MRIH nailed it with what he said about this creeps presence in Thailand, the child prostitute capitol of the world.

 

I've been through a few third world type villages around Seoul, Korea. Not a pretty sight either... downright sickening.

 

I have a gut feeling that this Carr fella will get nailed unequivocally with this crime. You could see it in his eyes.

 

I never said Karr was not a child predator of sorts. His eyes give him away... it's like he's on another plane of existense or something. Karr's blank, emotionless stare, piercing hollow eyes remind me of another of similar background... Jeffrey Dahmer.

 

The FACT is there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever, not even one thing, that any of you could list as a reason for even suspecting the Ramsey's.

 

... and when you have money and resources at your beck and call...

 

What lies? Name one! The police called John Ramsey out right off the bat, stating to the media that he acted suspicious because he requested a lawyer within the first day. What the media didn't mention, is the reason why he asked for a lawyer. Because one of the lead detectives told him straight up "We know you did this". He said this to John within the first hours of the discovery of little Jon Benet's body.

 

Lying whore sounded better than malignant loopy cunt.

 

This poor little girl was paraded around like a showgirl for most of her short life. No rest for her, as she was then paraded around in death by all of you tabloid junkie fucks out there.

 

You talking to me?

 

I do, wholeheartedly, agree that this story has been played out well beyond all reason. Moreover, I could really careless about the case now. JonBenet was of no kin or relation to me.

 

Why should I care?

 

When a six year old is dressed up to look like a sixteen year old and then paraded about for all perverse eyes to witness, you've made a predator's day. Child pageants are sickening and should be fucking abolished.

 

The shameful thing is, once they throw this pedo in jail for the murder he DID commit, so many of you narrow minded fools will continue to support the much 'sexier' plot line that her parents murdered her.

 

You talking to me?

 

I hate the fact that you believe that I jumped on the bandwagon of the 'sexier' plot long ago. It's just an opinion I formulated over a decade of hearing about this fucking tragedy.

 

Perhaps Patsy had everything to do with murder. Perhaps she could've stopped Karr from murdering JonBenet.

 

Now we will never know.

 

You should never even utter that you think a parent murdered their child, unless you have some god damn reason to say that.

 

Absolutely.

[Jhony5]

Patsy wrote the letter.

 

Are you fucking stupid?

 

Who the fuck do you think you are coming in here with that fucking bullshit, you nimrod?

 

That is by far, the worst god damn investigative report I've ever painfully swallowed.

 

Just read this you jackass fucking retarded shit stirring soap opera junkie.

Back in 1998, a free-lance writer from Boulder, Colorado named Frank Coffman did an analysis of the ransom note compared to an application submitted by Patsy Ramsey to enter JonBen

[RoyalOrleans]

The whole fucking synopsis is derived from a fucking reporter with NO EXPERIENCE IN HAND WRITING SAMPLE COMPARISON!!

 

Well... one has to start somewhere. Maybe the week prior he was drawing chalk outlines.

[hugo]

Are you fucking stupid?

 

Who the fuck do you think you are coming in here with that fucking bullshit, you nimrod?

 

That is by far, the worst god damn investigative report I've ever painfully swallowed.

 

Just read this you jackass fucking retarded shit stirring soap opera junkie.

 

 

From your god damn link.

 

The whole fucking synopsis is derived from a fucking reporter with NO EXPERIENCE IN HAND WRITING SAMPLE COMPARISON!!

 

Look at the writing yourself, dumbfuck. Patsy wrote the letter. Maybe her and Jon Benet were both screwing this Karr guy.

[hugo]

On April 9, Steve Thomas, one of the former lead detectives in the Ramsey case, also stepped into the media arena when he appeared on ABC's Good Morning America saying he believed that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note. Thomas, who had previously resigned in protest to what he called the "lack of aggressive prosecution of the case," was appearing on the show to promote his own book on the case called JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation.

 

During the interview, Thomas described how out of 73 suspects whose writing samples were analyzed by experts in comparison with the note, Patsy Ramsey was the only one who could not be excluded as its author. He also accused Patsy Ramsey of changing her handwriting after the murder. "In the ransom note, almost exclusively the lowercase manuscript a was used, I think, 98 percent of the time," he said. "What was telling was that after the Ramseys were given a copy of the ransom note, the lowercase manuscript a almost disappeared entirely from Patsy's post-homicide writing. Writing samples from Ramseys' personal letters and notes she wrote before the killing contain 732 manuscript a's that look like the lowercase typewritten a, but they are written by hand. She switched to a cursive a after the murder."

 

Another point that Thomas made was that the ransom note was signed "S.B.T.C." which allegedly stands for what the note described as "a small foreign faction" that had kidnapped JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom. Thomas indicated that this fact also pointed to Patsy Ramsey as she often used acronyms. He cited a Christmas note to a friend that was signed "P.P.R.B.S.J.," which she said stood for "Patsy Paugh Ramsey, Bachelor of Science in Journalism." He also said the tear pattern of the ransom-note paper matched Patsy Ramsey's personal note pad, and the felt-tip pen used to write the note matched a pen found in a cup in the Ramseys' kitchen.

 

Another point of suspicion, Thomas felt, was when Ramsey said she found the note on the back stairs when police had found it on the hardwood floor.

 

Thomas bases his views on an analysis made of the ransom note by Donald Foster, a linguistics scholar who, it was later revealed, had previously offered his services to the Ramseys on June 18, 1997, because of his "strong belief in Patsy Ramsey's innocence." In a letter personally addressed to Patsy Ramsey, Foster wrote: "I know that you are innocent, know it, absolutely and unequivocally, I would stake my professional reputation on it, indeed, my faith in humanity. I believe you were an ideal mother, wise, protective, caring and truly devoted," before offering his services to help prove her innocence. Foster also describes the note and offers a theory as to its author: "It appears to have been written by a young adult with an adolescent imagination overheated by true crime literature and Hollywood thrillers." His offer of help was rejected.

 

I hope there is a hell for Patsy Ramsey.

[Jhony5]

When a six year old is dressed up to look like a sixteen year old and then paraded about for all perverse eyes to witness, you've made a predator's day.

 

Yep,and these "pageants" are available on DVD. Believe it or not.

 

I didn't mean to direct my entire rant at you, R.O. Sorry if thats what ya thought.

 

I have never really cared about this case. I didn't know Jon Benet or the Ramsey's. Children get murdered all the time. Odds are, a child is being murdered right now. Nothing special.

 

Then why has the Benet case been so interesting to garnish so much attention. The same reason why the ambiguous murder of the rich white girl in Aruba was on the news so much. The same reason why the Lacey Peterson murder was on the news. Sexy rich white people. Now thats a scoop! A whole family here in Indianapolis was whipped out by a couple ******s with AK's. Three generations gone. It did make national news, but quickly forgotten. Why? The family was Mexican. The perpetrators, black. Not sexy.

 

How many tabloid papers are you going to sell with a headline "Young girl killed by unknown assailant"? Not many. Hows this for a headline. "Ramsey's suspected of murdering their child"."John Ramsey asks for lawyer as police close in on him".. I'll take a copy Mr shopkeep.

[Jhony5]

I hope there is a hell for Patsy Ramsey

 

 

Your fucking sick, buddy.

Thats a real god dammed person your saying that about.

 

Again your making claims then trying to support it with ridiculous here say.

 

On April 9, Steve Thomas, one of the former lead detectives in the Ramsey case, also stepped into the media arena when he appeared on ABC's Good Morning America saying he believed that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note. Thomas, who had previously resigned in protest to what he called the "lack of aggressive prosecution of the case," was appearing on the show to promote his own book on the case called JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation.

 

Go buy a copy of enquirer Hugo, I hear their about to solve another mystery. Fucking jackass

[hugo]

Thats a real god dammed person your saying that about.

 

Again your making claims then trying to support it with ridiculous here say.

 

 

 

Looks like you are claiming Patsy's in hell. I hope there is a hell for Ted Bundy too.

 

73 suspects. Everyone of them excluded from authoring the note...except Patsy.

[Jhony5]

73 suspects, and not one of them was the child-porn aficionado, convicted sex-offender, Mr. Karr.

 

So far the two people you have quoted and provided links to, to support you crucification of Mrs. Ramsey, a reporter and an author. Both of whom profited from their inflammatory hypothesizing.

[RoyalOrleans]

Yep,and these "pageants" are available on DVD. Believe it or not.

 

I didn't mean to direct my entire rant at you, R.O. Sorry if thats what ya thought.

 

I have never really cared about this case. I didn't know Jon Benet or the Ramsey's. Children get murdered all the time. Odds are, a child is being murdered right now. Nothing special.

 

Then why has the Benet case been so interesting to garnish so much attention. The same reason why the ambiguous murder of the rich white girl in Aruba was on the news so much. The same reason why the Lacey Peterson murder was on the news. Sexy rich white people. Now thats a scoop! A whole family here in Indianapolis was whipped out by a couple ******s with AK's. Three generations gone. It did make national news, but quickly forgotten. Why? The family was Mexican. The perpetrators, black. Not sexy.

 

How many tabloid papers are you going to sell with a headline "Young girl killed by unknown assailant"? Not many. Hows this for a headline. "Ramsey's suspected of murdering their child"."John Ramsey asks for lawyer as police close in on him".. I'll take a copy Mr shopkeep.

 

On top of all that Jhony5, if JonBenet had been from MLK JR Blvd, black as coal, blue-lipped, illiterate, and a hairlip we would not have heard about this case.

 

Not all child abduction, abuse, murder, molestation cases are solved... EVER. All cases should get this much attention so that we, as citizens, know who the fuck is living around us.

[Jhony5]

Hugo, did you know that the police have recovered DNA from beneath JonBenet's fingernails?

 

You will find out soon who's DNA that is.

 

Thats evidence. Thats real shit there bro.

 

That hand writing shit is so bad, it could be referred to as phony. A real hand writing expert will tell you, NO ONE can disguise their handwriting completely. It can't be done. You will give yourself away.

 

That 'squint your eyes and try and see what I'm telling you to see' evidence you linked to, was reminiscent of a wheres waldo book.

[hugo]

73 suspects, and not one of them was the child-porn aficionado, convicted sex-offender, Mr. Karr.

 

So far the two people you have quoted and provided links to, to support you crucification of Mrs. Ramsey, a reporter and an author. Both of whom profited from their inflammatory hypothesizing.

 

Yep, Karr, the guy whose ex-wife claims he was in Alabama. The guy whose confession does not match the facts of the case.

[RoyalOrleans]

Yep, Karr, the guy whose ex-wife claims he was in Alabama. The guy whose confession does not match the facts of the case.

 

And his ex-wife has absolutely no reason to be an alibi. In the ensuing years of their divorce, she has swore out restraining orders, taken him to court for custody of their children and won, and a host of other acts.

[hugo]

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5046/ransom.html

 

Patsy wrote the note. Why is the only question. Most likely to cover her own tracks or someone she was close to.

[hugo]

That hand writing shit is so bad, it could be referred to as phony. A real hand writing expert will tell you, NO ONE can disguise their handwriting completely. It can't be done. You will give yourself away.

 

 

You are correct, Patsy was unable to completely disguise her handwriting. Soon you will find Karr's handwriting does not match the note.

[hugo]

That hand writing shit is so bad, it could be referred to as phony. A real hand writing expert will tell you, NO ONE can disguise their handwriting completely. It can't be done. You will give yourself away.

 

 

You are correct, Patsy was unable to completely disguise her handwriting. Soon you will find Karr's handwriting does not match the note.

[Jhony5]

Yep, Karr, the guy whose ex-wife claims he was in Alabama. The guy whose confession does not match the facts of the case.

 

What the hell do you know about the confession? About as much as I do, nothing. Nothing save the fleeting whispers of rumor dripping down to us from the media.

 

If I had any thought on this case from the first mention of it I heard ten years ago. My thoughts were that one day they would connect a child-sexual offender to it. The crime and the circumstances had all the ear marks of pedophilia.

 

Mrs. Ramsey had the freak show charisma of Tammy Faye Baker. Mr Ramsey came off like a smug jerk. However neither one of them showed any traits commonly held by pedophiles.

 

And his ex-wife has absolutely no reason to be an alibi. In the ensuing years of their divorce, she has swore out restraining orders, taken him to court for custody of their children and won, and a host of other acts.

 

When his ex gave her statements, she had every reason to trump an alibi. In the subsequent years following her original police statement, Mr Karr was convicted of possession of child pornography. Thus his marriage didn't hold up to well.

[Jhony5]

Take me up on a bet then.

 

If Mr Karr is not indicted for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey within the next seven days, I'll gladly spend a month in the idiot box for running my big ass mouth!

 

What say you?

[RoyalOrleans]

When his ex gave her statements, she had every reason to trump an alibi. In the subsequent years following her original police statement, Mr Karr was convicted of possession of child pornography. Thus his marriage didn't hold up to well.

 

Yes, I know this. But why would she claim that they were together on the night of JonBenet's death?

[Jhony5]

Yes, I know this. But why would she claim that they were together on the night of JonBenet's death?

 

I wish I knew brother.

 

Sometimes people do things for the wrong reasons.

Sometimes its the little things that have huge effects.

 

If his ex was lying or wrong in her statement, would this not explain why Mr Karr was able to evade continuing suspicion?

 

Lets review the subsequent happenings in the lives of these three players in this case.

1:PAtsy Ramsey----Died of ovarian cancer in July of this year.

2:John Ramsey----had to start life over after going broke defending himself and his family. Hes doing surprisingly well after losing his wife and daughter in the same decade, and having "an umbrella of suspicion" over him through every waking moment.

3:Mr Karr---- convicted of child pornography. registered sex offender. Left the country to live in a third world Provence that has well known child prostitution rings. Arrested and confessed to the murder,,,,,,,,,,of JonBenet Ramsey.

 

The game of Clue is far more difficult then this.

 

...and no, RO, it wasn't the butler who did it in the study with a knife.

[Lethalfind]

They may indict him but they won't convict him. The DA could get an indictment on a chair if she wanted to, that says nothing.

 

What I don't get is why would his ex wife, who supposedly has a restraining order against him for her and the children go out of her way to help him with a false alibi?

[hugo]

The case against Karr will be dropped. Fortunately, every pedophile is not a murderer. The only thing that is certain is Patsy wrote the ransom letter.

[Jhony5]

What I don't get is why would his ex wife, who supposedly has a restraining order against him for her and the children go out of her way to help him with a false alibi?

 

I explained this already. Please review the entire thread.

 

The case against Karr will be dropped.

 

Nope.

 

The only thing that is certain is Patsy wrote the ransom letter.

 

Hmmm, then why did the police not consider a negative result on the hand writing analysis to be evidence? Because its not evidence. For Mrs Ramsey to have killed her own daughter brutally then written a pseudo ransom note with her own pen and paper, is an insanely backwards assertion.

 

Karr benefited from an investigative team with tunnel vision. They used the media to convince so many of you to hate the Ramseys. If you took the time to investigate the crime on your own, without the predisposition of assuming guilt upon the Ramseys, you might see where they lost this investigation.

[hugo]

For anyone to have written a ransom note is blatantly stupid. Patsy obviously cracked under stress.