Finally in peace?

[Jhony5]

For anyone to have written a ransom note is blatantly stupid. Patsy obviously cracked under stress.

 

I'd say so. Man she went all fucking devil.

 

An excerpt from an Jonbenets autopsy report.

JonBenet was strangled, not once, says Smit, but twice, with an intricately-made device known as a garrote, which had to have been made by the killer during the murder. Why? Because the garrote had hair intertwined with it

[Jhony5]

Patsy Ramsey is a violent and sadistic child rapist. She must be, right? After all if she shapes her T's and Q's in a loosely similar fashion to that of the ransom note.

 

Excerpt from the actual coroners report:

On the anterior aspect of the perineum, along the edges of closure of the labia majora, is a small amount of dried blood. A similar small amount of dried and semifluid blood is present on the skin of the fourchette and in the vestibule. Inside the vestibule of the vagina and along the distal vaginal wall is reddish hyperemia. This hyperemia is circumferential and perhaps more noticeable on the right side and posteriorly. The hyperemia also appears to extend just inside the vaginal orifice. A 1 cm red-purple area of abrasion is located on the right posterolateral area of the 1 x 1 cm hymeneal orifice. The hymen itself is represented by a rim of mucosal tissue extending clockwise between the 2 and 10:00 positions. The area of abrasion is present at approximately the 7:00 position and appears to involve the hymen and distal right lateral vaginal wall and possibly the area anterior to the hymen. On the right labia majora is a very faint area of violent discoloration measuring approximately one inch by three-eighths of an inch. Incision into the underlying subcutaneous tissue discloses no hemorrhage. A minimal amount of semiliquid thin watery red fluid is present in the vaginal vault.

 

Again, homeboy. People don't do things like this with absolutely no indications of supporting behavior.

 

Weak pencil necked pedophiles do.

 

It makes no sense. The Ramseys entire lives, both prior to and afterwords, was investigated and thoroughly reviewed. Not one red flag behavioral trait has ever been found in the lives of Patsy and John Ramsey.

[snafu]

As stated by his ex-wife he had a history of an infatuation with the case as well as another one earlier.

 

My thought is that if you're a twisted pedophile that is now sitting in a Thi prison, wouldn't you want to find a way to back to the good old USA? This is also a way to connect himself with her.

 

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showthread.php?t=142466

 

Lets see what he's says when he gets back.

[Jhony5]

As stated by his ex-wife he had a history of an infatuation with the case as well as another one earlier.

 

My thought is that if you're a twisted pedophile that is now sitting in a Thi prison, wouldn't you want to find a way to back to the good old USA? This is also a way to connect himself with her.

 

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showthread.php?t=142466

 

Lets see what he's says when he gets back.

 

Boy am I gonna look like an ass if hes a fruad.

 

That being said, I think the guy could come up with something better then admitting to child-rape/murder to leave Thailand. Must be a swell place. I think part of me wants him to be guilty for two reasons. One, because one less child killer on the lose is a good thing. Two, because I can't tolerate the bird brained idiots that think the Ramseys killed and raped their child in such a way.

[snafu]

Boy am I gonna look like an ass if hes a fruad.

 

That being said, I think the guy could come up with something better then admitting to child-rape/murder to leave Thailand. Must be a swell place. I think part of me wants him to be guilty for two reasons. One, because one less child killer on the lose is a good thing. Two, because I can't tolerate the bird brained idiots that think the Ramseys killed and raped their child in such a way.

 

Well I've always thought the parents were involved. Maybe from the hype. But I do hope he is too. I want the killer caught. And this guy does fit the bill.

 

As far as you looking like an ass, RO gotta eat his straw hat if this guy is found guilty.

[somersetcace1]

My problem with all of this, and cases like it, is that from a social standpoint, accusation is the same as guilt. This isn't directed at any one particular person, but rather in general. All that has to happen is a person get's accused of a crime, and poof the mob assumes their guilt. Even if they are aquitted in court, they are guilty on the street, unless their innocence is proven.

 

It irritates me that some of the same people who stand on their soap box touting America as the greatest country ever, also whine and bitch that our legal system doesn't work, or is too soft. There are alot of people out there that need a history lesson to find out why our legal system is the way it is. Even with our present legal system, innocent people end up in jail, or executed.

 

It's a tragedy what happened to that little girl, and lot's of other children like her, but it's even more of a tragedy when the "mob" goes on a witch hunt, just to make themselves feel better that someone has paid for the crime. whether they're actually guilty or not it seems.

 

Most of what I've seen is this thread has been more reasonable than most of the jackasses on tv talking about it. Yeah, there are disagreements, but at least it's not just.."Burn the witch!"..That tells me there is SOME hope. I've ranted long enough.

[Jhony5]

Somerset,

I'm confused as to whom the hypothetical "witch" is your speaking of. Are you referring to Karr, or the Ramseys?

 

If you ask me, the Ramseys were burned at the steak years ago. Even with this Karr guy being brought in as potentially the real murderer, the mob still has some gas, and a match for Mr Ramsey.

[hugo]

We need to go after Beth Holloway next.

[Jhony5]

We need to go after Beth Holloway next.

 

So the media taught you to hate her too huh?

 

I'm noticing a trend with our society to turn the tragedy of others into public scrutiny.

[Lethalfind]

Why do we want to believe it was someone in the family who molested and killed this child??

 

Because according to law enforcement statistics, its rarely a stranger who commits these crimes against children.

 

"Adults were the offender in 60% of the sexual assaults of youth under age 12. Rarely were the offenders of young victims strangers. Strangers were the offender in just 3% of sexual assaults against victims under age 6 and 5% of the sexual assault of victimizations of youth ages 6 through 11.

-Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,

7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice "

 

"89% of child sexual assault cases involve persons known to the child, such as a caretaker or family acquaintance.

-Diana Russell Survey, 1978"

 

29% of child sexual abuse offenders are relatives, 60% are acquaintances, and only 11% are strangers.

-Diana Russell, The Secret Trauma, NY:Basic Books, 1986.

 

For the vast majority of child victimizers in State prison, the victim was someone they knew before the crime. 1/3 had committed their crime against their own child, about 1/2 had a relationship with the victim as a friend, acquaintance, or relative other than offspring, about 1 in 7 reported the victim to have been a stranger to them.

-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

 

The victim-offender relationship in child murder varies with the age of the victim: In most murders of a young child, a family member killed the child, while in most murders of an older child, age 15 to 17, the perpetrator was an acquaintance of the victim or was unknown to law enforcement authorities. About 1 in 5 child murders were committed by a family member.

- FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports, 1976-1994.

 

http://www.yellodyno.com/html/childabusestatistics.html

 

This website has some very sobering statistics.

[Jhony5]

LETHAL,

 

Mmmkay. You did your research on that. Very well done!

 

The distinction between child sexual assault (often limited to molestation), and the violent murder of children, is stark. As I read your post I was very dismissive of the statistics because I felt they did not apply to this discussion. Until you reached this point............

The victim-offender relationship in child murder varies with the age of the victim: In most murders of a young child, a family member killed the child, while in most murders of an older child, age 15 to 17, the perpetrator was an acquaintance of the victim or was unknown to law enforcement authorities. About 1 in 5 child murders were committed by a family member.

 

Again, good job covering the spectrum.

 

JonBenet was molested and murdered in a sadistic and excessively violent manner. Which when applied to the stats that you provided, puts the occurrences of a family member committing the afore mentioned act, in a rare category. About 1 in 5. Combine this with not only the generic descriptive of "child-murder" with the morbid form of molestation/sexual assault, then I'm thinking this occurrence is allowed an even less common percentage. 20% for child-murder < ???% for rape/murder of a minor child.

 

so..........

Why do we want to believe it was someone in the family who molested and killed this child??

 

My opinion remains that its social hysteria driven by the 'marketing' of JonBenets murder, that has put the popular opinion in favor of the Ramsey's guilt.

 

I assume at this point you agree with me because I'm kicking your ass on this?

[hugo]

So the media taught you to hate her too huh?

 

I'm noticing a trend with our society to turn the tragedy of others into public scrutiny.

 

Lighten up. Patsy ain't related to you by any chance?

[Jhony5]

Lighten up. Patsy ain't related to you by any chance?

 

Actually, I think she was the kind of person that would probably not give me the time of day. A snobby white bitch looking down at me from the upper echelon of societies better half.

 

Parading her daughter about like a stripper, to naive to realize the backlash of dressing your 6 year old like a whore.

 

I'm upset that people dismiss the obvious in lieu of the sensational.

 

If you want to see a very well made non-bias documentary on this case, I suggest "Who killed JonBenet".

 

I never held any opinion on the case and never cared, really. Until I saw this film. It was impartial and I was shocked at the mis-conduct of the Boulder police Dept. They used the media as a way of manipulating the process of justice.

 

My passionate stance on a case that has no bearing on my life whatsoever, stems from my disdain for questionable law enforcement practices. Not only did the Boulder police not catch the killer and rapist of a 6 year old baby. They were responsible for subsequently ruining the lives of the remaining victims of this crime, her family. Two crimes were committed. Murder and injustice.

[hugo]

It still seems highly probable to me Patsy wrote the note. Until proven otherwise I have to believe Patsy at least thought a family member was involved.

[snafu]

Lethel's statistics I'm sure are accurate. My problem is that they are only statistics and odds. Jonbenet was a 6 year old beauty pageant participant. Her odds go down with the fact that she is made up in makeup and paraded around in skimpy outfits. She is viewed by the public as a sex symbol. I'm sure she had pedo's whacking off to her pictures all over the place. And her mom was a beauty pageant queen herself. I think she was obsessed with having living her life through her daughter.

You add up everything and you find her life was everything but normal. This is why there's always long shot odds.

[berniec]

I'am of the belief that no parent could be involved in the murder of their own child,especially in such a brutal fashion,unless he or she was mentally deranged,or perhaps involved in some weird satanic sect or such.

And that hasn't been a question.

 

Recently in the suburbs here a pedo raped and strangled an eight year girl in a public toilet while her older brother waited for heroutside.

He was a twenty one year old employed as a cleaner in the shopping centre where it happened and a lot of questions should asked as to how a known mentally retarded pedo could get such a job.

I would love to be given an hour alone with him,but i would proberly have to join the queue.

[snafu]

I'am of the belief that no parent could be involved in the murder of their own child,especially in such a brutal fashion,unless he or she was mentally deranged,or perhaps involved in some weird satanic sect or such.

And that hasn't been a question.

 

Recently in the suburbs here a pedo raped and strangled an eight year girl in a public toilet while her older brother waited for heroutside.

He was a twenty one year old employed as a cleaner in the shopping centre where it happened and a lot of questions should asked as to how a known mentally retarded pedo could get such a job.

I would love to be given an hour alone with him,but i would proberly have to join the queue.

 

Yeah well your right there. A death such as this can only boggle the mind of the most sane of people because it's not in the realm of reality.

As far as the pedo getting the job it's hard to pick them out. As a politically correct society we usually have to have a crime before we stop them. And even then the liberal left feel they can rehabilitate them and send them back into the world. which usually ends up in a recurrence.

[Jhony5]

I'am of the belief that no parent could be involved in the murder of their own child,especially in such a brutal fashion,unless he or she was mentally deranged

 

Cause and effect.

 

As I stated earlier, people don't do things such as this without any red flags. Their are occasions when a parent will kill their child, then commit suicide due to divorce or other extenuating circumstances. Sometimes the cause is easy to identify, sometimes not. But either way its there.

 

In the case of the Ramsey's, there is absolutely no cause to go with the effect, if you support the popular opinion that the parents/parent had committed this crime.

 

Now take a look at the suspect in the murder, John Karr. He fits the bill to a tee. His actions over the years show cause for what he says himself that he did.

[tiredofwhiners]

FYI you can go to orgish.com and see the crime photos under August archives.

[Jhony5]

FYI you can go to orgish.com and see the crime photos under August archives.

 

Ummm....no thx!

[Hamza123]

They have DNA samples, whats taking so fucking long?

[OmegaManiac]

What a crock of shit! Not my daughter, not anybody I knows daughter, would not even know it happened had it not been for the media, not my problem. Think I'll focus on things that actually have some kind of influence on my life.

[Lethalfind]

Actually, I think she was the kind of person that would probably not give me the time of day. A snobby white bitch looking down at me from the upper echelon of societies better half.

 

Parading her daughter about like a stripper, to naive to realize the backlash of dressing your 6 year old like a whore.

 

I'm upset that people dismiss the obvious in lieu of the sensational.

 

If you want to see a very well made non-bias documentary on this case, I suggest "Who killed JonBenet".

 

I never held any opinion on the case and never cared, really. Until I saw this film. It was impartial and I was shocked at the mis-conduct of the Boulder police Dept. They used the media as a way of manipulating the process of justice.

 

My passionate stance on a case that has no bearing on my life whatsoever, stems from my disdain for questionable law enforcement practices. Not only did the Boulder police not catch the killer and rapist of a 6 year old baby. They were responsible for subsequently ruining the lives of the remaining victims of this crime, her family. Two crimes were committed. Murder and injustice.

 

I completely agree with you about the Boulder police, I think their performance here has been terrible.

 

I also don't believe it was her parents that killed her, I think it was their son or someone else close to the family. I have always believed that they know more then they have said. For instance the ransom amount being 118,000, coincidentally the amount Mr Ramsey got as a end of year bonus? Thats kind of an odd coincidence.

 

I think the public (including people on this site) have a hard time believe that parents or other family members can harm their own children when in fact its pretty common. When a child is kidnapped, the family are the first ones they look too, when a child is abused, sexually or physically, its usually someone in the family for the shear fact they are the ones who have the easiest access to the child. AND adults live in denial about Uncle Charlie or the Father, no one wants to admit to themselves that they gave someone that sick, access to their home and children so they live in denial. Even when its the Mother turning the other way as a child is abused under her nose. The statistics I posted were simply to show how common it is.

 

I too was horrified at how that poor child was dressed up like a whore and paraded around the stage. It made me sick to see her behave like that. If I remember correctly Patsy had been involved in pageants herself, I think she was living through her daughter which is very sad.

[Jhony5]

Its strange that in this day and age there are still people that can be that naive. To busy thinking about making their daughter the new beauty queen at the ripe age of 6. Without understanding the sexual overtones that many pedophiles are receiving.

[Lethalfind]

Its strange that in this day and age there are still people that can be that naive. To busy thinking about making their daughter the new beauty queen at the ripe age of 6. Without understanding the sexual overtones that many pedophiles are receiving.

 

Absolutely but my dislike for making your child dress like an adult goes WAY beyond the fear of attracting sickos. I don't think its good for a child to sexualize them. I also don't think its good for children to carry a burden that they have to fulfill something their parents didn't get done in their own life. I want my daughter to do what makes her happy (as long as its legal) NOT do something that will make me feel like my life is more complete.

 

Children should be allowed to remain children, with child like ways or I fear their emotional development will be adversely affected.

 

What kind of insecure parent has to parade their child around in that way? I know my daughter is pretty and kind hearted and sweet natured, I don't need to run her down a cat walk dressed like a hooker to get reinforcement from others.