Bible Prophecy & The Scientfic Method

[wez]

So you have either never studied the Old Testamant or believe it to be wrong?

 

 

Both... never been to church, never will.. I don't take the bible as the unquestioning word of God.. Specially when it involves sh t to control people. I like the words of Jesus.. the truth. Words of life, not life after death.

[ImWithStupid]

Both... never been to church, never will.. I don't take the bible as the unquestioning word of God.. Specially when it involves sh t to control people.. I like the words of Jesus.. the truth.

 

So you admit you only "cherry pick" what parts that you agree with, when in comes to the Bible and Christianity?

[eddo]

So you have either never studied the Old Testamant or believe it to be wrong?

 

Both... never been to church, never will.. I don't take the bible as the unquestioning word of God.. Specially when it involves sh t to control people. I like the words of Jesus.. the truth. Words of life, not life after death.

 

How can you know what it does or doesn't say if you haven't studied it?

[wez]

So you admit you only "cherry pick" what parts that you agree with, when in comes to the Bible and Christianity?

 

 

I cherry pick what I know to be true.. like everything I ever saw that Jesus said.

[wez]

How can you know what it does or doesn't say if you haven't studied it?

 

Good point.. I don't and never claimed to..

[eddo]

I cherry pick what I know to be true.. like everything I ever saw that Jesus said.

 

Good point.. I don't and never claimed to..

 

You just insinuated that parts of it are untrue...

[wez]

You just insinuated that parts of it are untrue...

 

Well, I think parts of it in the literal sense, from what I have read, are untrue.. I tend to put the real world into the perspective and try to understand the words in relation to that. Not pagan magic and 1 fish turning into a bucketful out of thin air.. World don't work that way. Against the laws of physics..

 

 

If what that moron up there in IWS's post says is supposedly true, it's bullsh t. "God" isn't evil.. blah, blah, blah.. Whatever the cause of the universe and everything in it = God, period. To define it any further = assnine.

 

 

That being said.. everything Jesus ever said is true about us humans.. that I can know.. and do.

[ImWithStupid]

Well, I think parts of it in the literal sense, from what I have read, are untrue.. I tend to put the real world into the perspective and try to understand the words in relation to that. Not pagan magic and 1 fish turning into a bucketful out of thin air.. World don't work that way. Against the laws of physics..

 

 

If what that moron up there in IWS's post says is supposedly true, it's bullsh t. "God" isn't evil.. blah, blah, blah.. Whatever the cause of the universe and everything in it = God, period. To define it any further = assnine.

 

So we are to just assume what wez says Jesus says is the way things should be according to wez, it's right, but there are other things the same person says is bs and crazy crap and if wez doesn't agree then it's wrong?

 

All in all, if what Jesus would do is what wez agrees to = Good and right.

 

If what Jesus would do or say isn't what wez agrees to = Bad and wrong.

[wez]

So we are to just assume what wez says Jesus says is the way things should be according to wez, it's right, but there are other things the same person says is bs and crazy crap and if wez doesn't agree then it's wrong?

 

All in all, if what Jesus would do is what wez agrees to = Good and right.

 

If what Jesus would do or say isn't what wez agrees to = Bad and wrong.

 

I don't disagree with anything Jesus said..

 

what the hell you talkin' about, Willis?

 

 

Here's the law..

 

 

Whatever is ok for me to do to another human being is ok for every human being to do to me. Period. ~ wez

 

 

Whatever is ok for me to condone doing to another human being is ok for every other human being to condone doing to me. ~ wez

 

 

Apply to every scenario...

 

 

There's no, except if...

 

 

Right = right

 

Wrong = wrong

[ImWithStupid]

I don't disagree with anything Jesus said..

 

what the hell you talkin' about, Willis?

 

 

Here's the law..

 

 

Whatever is ok for me to do to another human being is ok for every human being to do to me. Period. ~ wez

 

There's no, except if...

 

 

Right = right

 

Wrong = wrong

 

So you agree with slavery?

 

Matthew 18:25: "But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made."

 

Mark 14:66: "And as Peter was beneath in the palace, there cometh one of the maids of the high priest:"

 

Jesus is recorded as mentioning slaves in one of his parables. It is important to realize that the term "servant" in the King James Version of the Bible refers to slaves, not employees like a butler, cook, or maid. Here, a slave which did not follow his owner's will would be beaten with many lashes of a whip. A slave who was unaware of his owner's will, but who did not behave properly, would also be beaten, but with fewer stripes.

 

This would have been a marvelous opportunity for Jesus to condemn the institution of slavery and its abuse of slaves. But he is not recorded of having taken it:

 

Luke 12:45-48: "The lord [owner] of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

[wez]

So you agree with slavery?

 

I think you know I don't... And I've never seen where Jesus does either.

[ImWithStupid]

I think you know I don't... And I've never seen where Jesus does either.

 

I just showed you several places in the New Testament where Jesus talks about slavery and directs how slaves should be treated.

 

Matthew 18:25: "But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made."

[wez]

I just showed you several places in the New Testament where Jesus talks about slavery and directs how slaves should be treated.

 

Lord = a slavemaster.. not Jesus.. how does that prove Jesus condoned slavery?

 

 

He didn't stop people from selling themselves to other people.. free will.

[Old Salt]

Lord = a slavemaster.. not Jesus.. how does that prove Jesus condoned slavery?

Because there is no record he condemned it?

 

And the quotes (the way I read them) have nothing to do with free will.

[wez]

Because there is no record he condemned it?

 

He condemned no one, ever, for anything.

 

 

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:17

 

 

 

 

He spoke against hypocrites/hypocrisy.

[wez]

Because there is no record he condemned it?

 

And the quotes (the way I read them) have nothing to do with free will.

 

 

You could sell yourself into bondage if you choose.. people still do it all the time. Prolly more now than at anytime in the history of humanity.. Free will..

[ImWithStupid]

Lord = a slavemaster.. not Jesus.. how does that prove Jesus condoned slavery?

 

 

He didn't stop people from selling themselves to other people.. free will.

 

So when he included his wife and children into servitude, it was still free will? sounds like slavery to me.

[ImWithStupid]

Are you once again going to cherry pick the version you want?

 

International Standard Version (?2008)

Because he couldn't pay, his master ordered him, his wife, his children, and everything that he owned to be sold so that payment could be made.

 

New American Standard Bible (?1995)

"But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made.

 

GOD'S WORD? Translation (?1995)

Because he could not pay off the debt, the master ordered him, his wife, his children, and all that he had to be sold to pay off the account.

 

King James Bible

But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

 

American King James Version

But for as much as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

 

American Standard Version

But forasmuch as he had not wherewith to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

 

Bible in Basic English

And because he was not able to make payment, his lord gave orders for him, and his wife, and his sons and daughters, and all he had, to be given for money, and payment to be made.

 

Douay-Rheims Bible

And as he had not wherewith to pay it, his lord commanded that he should be sold, and his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made.

 

Darby Bible Translation

But he not having anything to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and his children, and everything that he had, and that payment should be made.

 

English Revised Version

But forasmuch as he had not wherewith to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

 

Webster's Bible Translation

But as he had not ability to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

 

Weymouth New Testament

and was unable to pay. So his master ordered that he and his wife and children and everything that he had should be sold, and payment be made.

 

World English Bible

But because he couldn't pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, with his wife, his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

 

Young's Literal Translation

and he having nothing to pay, his lord did command him to be sold, and his wife, and the children, and all, whatever he had, and payment to be made.

[ImWithStupid]

Next question wez. I guess you agree with theft?

 

Luke 19:29-34 (New International Version)

 

29 As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30 "Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, 'Why are you untying it?' tell him, 'The Lord needs it.' "

 

32 Those who were sent ahead went and found it just as he had told them. 33 As they were untying the colt, its owners asked them, "Why are you untying the colt?"

 

34 They replied, "The Lord needs it."

 

In the old west of the United States, they would be hanged.

[wez]

Jesus didn't command anyone to be sold from what I can gather.. If those are his words, sounds like he's just saying "this is what happened"..

 

 

Yeah, I agree with theft, just like Jesus.. hahahaha

 

 

Was Jesus gonna steal it and sell it for a bottle of whisky, or use a colt no one has ridden before and return it?

 

 

wtf? So what are you saying, the old west is the natural human law and untying a horse with some hardass calling it theft and hanging someone that's the way it is/was/and should be?

[ImWithStupid]

He condemned no one, ever, for anything.

 

 

So Jesus never condemned anyone, not even the Pharisees?

 

Chapter 23

 

Pharisaism Exposed

 

1 aThen Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,

 

2 saying: “aThe scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses;

 

3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.

 

4 “aThey tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.

 

5 “But they do all their deeds ato be noticed by men; for they bbroaden their 1phylacteries and lengthen cthe tassels of their garments.

 

6 “They alove the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues,

 

7 and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called aRabbi by men.

 

8 “But ado not be called bRabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.

 

9 “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for aOne is your Father, He who is in heaven.

 

10 “Do not be called 1leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

 

11 “aBut the greatest among you shall be your servant.

 

12 “aWhoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

 

Eight Woes

 

13 “aBut woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, bbecause you shut off the kingdom of heaven 1from 2people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

 

14 [“1Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because ayou devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.]

 

15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one 1aproselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of 2bhell as yourselves.

 

16 “Woe to you, ablind guides, who say, ‘bWhoever swears by the 1temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the 1temple is obligated.’

 

17 “You fools and blind men! aWhich is 1more important, the gold or the 2temple that sanctified the gold?

 

18 “And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, that is nothing, but whoever swears by the 1offering on it, he is obligated.’

 

19 “You blind men, awhich is 1more important, the 2offering, or the altar that sanctifies the 2offering?

 

20 “Therefore, 1whoever swears by the altar, swears both by 2the altar and by everything on it.

 

21 “And 1whoever swears by the 2temple, swears both by 3the temple and by Him who adwells within it.

 

22 “And 1whoever swears by heaven, aswears both by the throne of God and by Him who sits upon it.

 

23 “aWoe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and 1cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

 

24 “You ablind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

 

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ayou clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full 1of robbery and self-indulgence.

 

26 “You blind Pharisee, first aclean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.

 

27 “aWoe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.

 

28 “So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

 

29 “aWoe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,

 

30 and say, ‘If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’

 

31 “So you testify against yourselves, that you aare 1sons of those who murdered the prophets.

 

32 “Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers.

 

33 “You serpents, ayou brood of vipers, how 1will you escape the 2sentence of 3bhell?

 

34 “aTherefore, behold, bI am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will cscourge in your synagogues, and dpersecute from city to city,

 

35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous aAbel to the blood of Zechariah, the bson of Berechiah, whom cyou murdered between the 1temple and the altar.

 

36 “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon athis generation.

 

Sure sounds like condemnation to me, even if it's under the guise of hypocrity.

[wez]

So Jesus never condemned anyone, not even the Pharisees?

 

 

 

Sure sounds like condemnation to me, even if it's under the guise of hypocrity.

 

Sounds like a warning to me... More like a favor than condemnation.

[ImWithStupid]

Jesus didn't command anyone to be sold from what I can gather.. If those are his words, sounds like he's just saying "this is what happened"..

 

 

Yeah, I agree with theft, just like Jesus.. hahahaha

 

 

Was Jesus gonna steal it and sell it for a bottle of whisky, or use a colt no one has ridden before and return it?

 

 

wtf? So what are you saying, the old west is the natural human law and untying a horse with some hardass calling it theft and hanging someone that's the way it is/was/and should be?

 

Doesn't matter what the intent. Jesus ordered someone to steal on his behalf.

 

Commandment number eight. Thou shal not steal. Sounds like a sin to me.

[wez]

Doesn't matter what the intent. Jesus ordered someone to steal on his behalf.

 

Commandment number eight. Thou shal not steal. Sounds like a sin to me.

 

 

 

Not stealing.. stole from who? Name names..

[ImWithStupid]

wtf? So what are you saying, the old west is the natural human law and untying a horse with some hardass calling it theft and hanging someone that's the way it is/was/and should be?

 

I'm trying to say that unless you agree with every aspect of the Bible, any quote you put up is crap.