wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 wow, hypocrisy at it's finest. Good example wez. You twist everything I say into stuff I don't say, so why should I bother answering your questions? Especially ones I have already answered? Nah, I'm done. I pissed you off, and that was my goal. I got you to make yourself look like a freak, and that was just bonus. When you actually want to discuss it- and not add all the extra drama and baggage, I will be more than glad to discuss it with you. Hypocrite. +1 for me Yeah.. like this isn't how you "discuss" it every time.. running away with your tail between your legs? You pissed me off? Hahahahaha Wait! ... You forgot your head! Hahahahahaha Answer this simple question..Should be a piece of cake for a fine, church going Christian such as yourself.. Spread the word according to your teachings.. How can everyone be a hypocrite, where no one will be saved? According to your interpertation of the bible? Eddo? Maybe Aery can answer it.. She said we're all hypocrites too.. How can that be? It can't. Can it?
eddo Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Yeah.. like this isn't how you "discuss" it every time.. running away with your tail between your legs? You pissed me off? Hahahahaha Wait! ... You forgot your head! Hahahahahaha Answer this simple question..Should be a piece of cake for a fine, church going Christian such as yourself.. Spread the word according to your teachings.. How can everyone be a hypocrite, and no one will be saved according to your interpertation of the bible? Eddo? Maybe Aery can answer it.. She said we're all hypocrites too.. How can that be? It can't. Can it? oh, did I interpret the Bible that way, or did you? and are you now saying I did it? That's the baggage and crap I am talking about. Take that verse you quoted, and put it in context of the story of Jesus and you will have your answer. and Yes, it fits into what Aery and I have already said. I'm trusted by more women.
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 oh, did I interpret the Bible that way, or did you? and are you now saying I did it? That's the baggage and crap I am talking about. Take that verse you quoted, and put it in context of the story of Jesus and you will have your answer. and Yes, it fits into what Aery and I have already said. ..and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:51) Please interperet and have it match your claim that we are all hypocrites?
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Aery.. will you please answer it for me.. Eddo's having trouble.
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 So, a religious hypocrite is, by definition, a non-believer, since he is only pretending to be an adherent of the faith. A hypocrite is not a person who commits some sins on occasion (sin all people commit sin occasionally), but someone who practices those sins on a routine basis. The truth of the matter is that hypocrisy has been a problem for those who claim to follow God for a very long time. In fact, God challenged Cain (the first son born of Adam and Eve) on his hypocrisy when he submitted an inferior offering to Him.2 What did Jesus say about hypocrisy and hypocrites?By far, of all preachers and prophets of the Bible, Jesus had the most to say about hypocrisy and hypocrites. Since He didn't mince any words on the subject, but directly confronted the religious hypocrites of His day (the scribes and Pharisees), they hated Him intensely - eventually having Him arrested on trumped up charges. Here is a list of some of the hypocrisy that Jesus spoke against: Giving to the poor to be recognized by others Praying in public to be recognized as "God's man" Letting everybody know you are fasting to get recognition by others Complaining about other's behavior when yours is even worse. Pretending to honor God through lip service only Testing other people to try to make yourself look superior Deceiving people from knowing God Repressing the poor and widows Teaching proselytes to be hypocrites Tithing (giving to the church), but neglecting justice and mercy Doing everything for show, while really being self-indulgent and unrighteous Treating stock animals better than fellow human beings Being able to analyze the weather, but unable to distinguish between right and wrong Jesus indicated that those who practiced hypocrisy would be sent to hell,16 indicating that they were really non-believers. In other books of the New Testament, the writers associate hypocrisy with such things as evil,17 lying,18 perverting the gospel,19 envy and slander,20 and jealousy and selfish ambition.21 James contrasts the evil of hypocrisy with the "wisdom from above," which is characterized as being "pure, peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering."21 Modern day hypocrites: The news media loves to make a big deal when a "Christian" preacher commits some sort of sexual sin, with the most recent example being Ted Haggard, who rabidly preached against homosexual practice, while he himself was involved in it on a routine basis. Everybody loves to hate a hypocrite. It is not surprising that there are hypocrites today, as there were in Jesus' day. The Old Testament prophet Daniel even predicted that there would be more hypocrites in the end times, as the cost of faith could well be your life.22 Jesus also predicted that many would fall away23 although they would claim to be His disciple at the judgment: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' " (Matthew 7:21-23) Christianity should not be judged on the basis of those who claim to be its adherents, when, in reality, they practice the opposite of what it teaches. Atheist hypocrites: Yes, hypocrisy is not just limited to those who believe in God. When I first started reviewing Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion I expected to find some pretty crazy atheists' arguments, but did not expect to find any intentional misquoting. However, like some of the creationists he detests for misquoting, Dawkins, in his defense of atheism, used the exact same tactic - not just once or twice, but a bunch of times.24 It's good to know that even atheists can be hypocrites. Conclusion Christians are often accused of being hypocrites. However, the Bible clearly indicates that those who practice hypocrisy really aren't Christians at all, but will be judged to be non-believers and sent to hell. If you are a non-believer, this is a good reason to consider the Christian faith, since you don't want to end up in hell with all the hypocrites. Having attended many Christian churches, I can assure you that the pretenders are few and far between. One should judge Christianity not on the basis of what the fakers do, but on the basis of what Jesus taught and how He lived. ________________________________________________________________________________________ You must have missed this eddo.. with my jumping all over and all .. sorry about that.. I get a bit excited some times.. just like a little kid.. I noticed you didn't comment on that.. Is this guy a heratic liar or something? He's claiming the opposite of you.. who's the fraud? Please explain..
Phantom Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Aery.. will you please answer it for me.. Eddo's having trouble.' I love you Wez, but, no. It's not productive and I don't want to get sucked into the long running hypocrite drama. Blah.
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 ' I love you Wez, but, no. It's not productive and I don't want to get sucked into the long running hypocrite drama. I love you too.. But how can that be Aery? How can we all be hypocrites as you said? We can't, can we? Just please answer me that. Correct interpertation of the bible is always productive, wouldn't you agree? And the word of God cannot contradict itself, or it is not the word of God.. Correct? And the fact that Jesus spoke about hypocrisy so much, why is it a topic to avoid and not find a clear understanding? Isn't that what we're suppose to do? Do you see the contradiction and that there is no way we can all be hypocrites? How do you explain that?
Phantom Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Let me put it this way. We are all hypocrites and guilty of acts of hypocrisy. Maybe not every single day but there is a little bit of hypocrisy in us all. Saying we're not racist but then we can't help but walk a little bit faster when we see a black man walking a few paces behind us. Saying we would never hurt an animal but then have no problem eating meat. Little things like this are inside of us all if we really take the time to look. I believe what Jesus is talking about is the pharisee-like behavior. Those who He described as being 'white washed tombs.' Those who are described as having an appearance of godliness but those who 'know not the Father nor I.' Those are the types of hypocrites Jesus despised. Those who were in desperate need of Jesus but who refused to acknowledge it. The self righteous who believed they needed no savior because they considered themselves holy when they were anything but in reality. Hope that helps. Blah.
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Let me put it this way. We are all hypocrites and guilty of acts of hypocrisy. Maybe not every single day but there is a little bit of hypocrisy in us all. Saying we're not racist but then we can't help but walk a little bit faster when we see a black man walking a few paces behind us. Saying we would never hurt an animal but then have no problem eating meat. Little things like this are inside of us all if we really take the time to look. I believe what Jesus is talking about is the pharisee-like behavior. Those who He described as being 'white washed tombs.' Those who are described as having an appearance of godliness but those who 'know not the Father nor I.' Those are the types of hypocrites Jesus despised. Those who were in desperate need of Jesus but who refused to acknowledge it. The self righteous who believed they needed no savior because they considered themselves holy when they were anything but in reality. Hope that helps. Not really Aery.. So you're saying Jesus/God will be judging degrees and types of hypocrites and only some will be doing the teeth gnashing and weeping whilst others are "good" little hypocrites, which include everyone who has ever existed except Jesus? Why didn't Jesus come right out and tell everyone they are hypocrites and explain these degrees and levels of hypocrisy if that's the case? Because it's not the case.. It cannot be the case.. can it? Jesus was very specific and deliberate in his teachings, was he not? What you are saying contradicts that. Why would Jesus say "Don't be like the hypocrites", if everyone is a hypocrite? What you are saying in accordance with other passages means Jesus is going to come back to judge and save.......only Himself? You hypocrites! You know how to analyze the appearance of the earth and the sky, but why do you not analyze this present time? And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right? (Luke 12:56-57) He was talking to everybody, but Himself? ..and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:51) Again, If we are all hypocrites as you say, then this is all our fate. Correct? Where's the problem here? We are not all hypocrites, are we Aery? That would conform without contradiction, would it not? We can not all be hypocrites as you say, can we?
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Upright men shall be astonied at this, and the innocent shall stir up himself against the hypocrite. Job 17:8 According to what you guys are saying, the only possible interpertation for this is.. Jesus shall be astonied at this, and Jesus shall stir up himself against the hypocrite because everyone but Jesus, is a hypocrite. Doesn't work that way, does it?
snafu Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Jesus didn?t have a debate chat forum to break all of the idiosyncrasies of a hypocrite down to his listeners but think Aery explained which hypocrite Jesus was talking about. 1 "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Jesus didn’t have a debate chat forum to break all of the idiosyncrasies of a hypocrite down to his listeners but think Aery explained which hypocrite Jesus was talking about. Where did Jesus ever talk about different kinds of hypocrites? Good hypocrites and bad hypocrites? Could someone point out those passages to me? Aery and eddo said we are all hypocrites. Yet, that contradicts many things said in the bible about hypocrites. So there is some flawed logic somewhere. Since Aery and eddo say the bible is the absolute word of God, that can't be. God does not contradict himself. So where is the discrepency? I'd like to hear from Aery and eddo. It shouldn't be that difficult a question for a Christian, I wouldn't think. We cannot all be hypocrites as you say, can we? But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. (James 3:14-17) Can this just be thrown out of the bible to make what you say truth? And all the others I've mentioned?
Phantom Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Here, Wez. This might help. Less than three minutes. The twist at the end gave me goose bumps: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrLzYw6ULYw]YouTube - The Good-O-Meter[/ame] 1 Blah.
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 I got dial up.. and I want to hear it from you, in your words.. Please. But I will watch it.. You understand what I am saying to you, yes?
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Ok Aery.. I watched it.. Not sure how that pertains to what I am talking about here.. It didn't prove everyone is a hypocrite.. What was it suppose to help me with?
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Do you equate sinner with hypocrite? Are those two words the same? Did Jesus use them interchangebly or did each have a specific and seperate meaning? All Hypocrites, are sinners. All sinners, are not hypocrites. If I break into your house and steal from you, I have committed sin but not hypocrisy. Correct? What does the bible say will happen to those who practice hypocrisy, which is what construes a hypocrite? Job 13:16 He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him. Job 8:13 So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish: Job 36:13 But the hypocrites in heart heap up wrath: they cry not when he bindeth them. Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? ..and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:51) The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42) Are we all hypocrites Aery? Eddo?
snafu Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Jesus didn?t have a debate chat forum to break all of the idiosyncrasies of a hypocrite down to his listeners but think Aery explained which hypocrite Jesus was talking about. Where did Jesus ever talk about different kinds of hypocrites? Good hypocrites and bad hypocrites? Could someone point out those passages to me? Listen up wez. I just said he did not break down the different idiosyncrasies. Did not. You're tring to make an agrument when there isn't one. "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Listen up wez. I just said he did not break down the different idiosyncrasies. Did not. You're tring to make an agrument when there isn't one. That's because a hypocrite is a hypocrite is a hypocrite. The argument is whether or not we are all hypocrites and will be weeping and gnashing our teeth as eddo and Aery said. Are we, or are we not all hypocrites, except for Jesus? If you say we are, as you already did, then the bible is quite specific of our fate. Is it not?
Phantom Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Wez, have you ever heard the expression, 'If you can't grasp this concept then there is nothing I can do to help you?' It seems fitting. Blah.
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Wez, have you ever heard the expression, 'If you can't grasp this concept then there is nothing I can do to help you?' It seems fitting. Did you read anything I asked? Why can't you answer and clarify it for me in your words? You've studied the bible much more than I.. Why do you insult me and clarify nothing? I can grasp and understand anything..
snafu Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 That's because a hypocrite is a hypocrite is a hypocrite. The argument is whether or not we are all hypocrites and will be weeping and gnashing our teeth as eddo and Aery said. Are we, or are we not all hypocrites, except for Jesus? If you say we are, as you already did, then the bible is quite specific of our fate. Is it not? Yes we are all hypocrites. Have you ever flipped someone for cutting you off in traffic. But the next day your in a hurry to get to work and you do the same thing. It dosn't have to be this scenorio but you should be able to get the jest of it. "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
Phantom Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 I'm not insulting you, Hon. What I am doing is actually very Biblical. When it comes to pedantic questions, we are given the Biblical reason why this happens and are told to walk away. No insult to you whatsoever. You're my buddy. You really need to watch the video when you get a chance. It ties into what I said before about 'not knowing the Father nor I' and what makes the difference. Blah.
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Apparently you missed these... Your only comment was an indication that I am not as capable as you as understanding what is written.. yet you refuse to explain it? Do you equate sinner with hypocrite? Are those two words the same? Did Jesus use them interchangebly or did each have a specific and seperate meaning? All Hypocrites, are sinners. All sinners, are not hypocrites. If I break into your house and steal from you, I have committed sin but not hypocrisy. Correct? What does the bible say will happen to those who practice hypocrisy, which is what construes a hypocrite? Job 13:16 He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him. Job 8:13 So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish: Job 36:13 But the hypocrites in heart heap up wrath: they cry not when he bindeth them. Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? ..and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:51) The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42) Are we all hypocrites Aery? Eddo?
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Wez, have you ever heard the expression, 'If you can't grasp this concept then there is nothing I can do to help you?' It seems fitting. Not suggesting you have a complete, well adjusted grasp on something that I am incapable of grasping? pedant: The term in English is typically used with a negative connotation, indicating someone overly concerned with minutiae and whose tone is perceived as condescending. When it was first used by Shakespeare in Love's Labour's Lost (1588), it simply meant "teacher". Shortly afterward it began to be used negatively. Thomas Nashe wrote in Have with you to Saffron-walden (1596), page 43: "O, tis a precious apothegmaticall [terse] Pedant, who will finde matter inough to dilate a whole daye of the first inuention [invention] of Fy, fa, fum" Not an insult? You find something I said condesending? So speak to me in a condesending manner? What would that be? Or a convienient escape? Do fine details not deserve observation? Doesn't seem to Christianly to me.. but what do I know.. I didn't go to church. I take everything I think about as far as I possibly can.. The details are where the fruit is.. I don't stop at comfortable. Or "walk away".. according to someone who doesn't want me to look any deeper.. Seems the opposite of Christ to me.
wez Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 You must not have read the post several back where I already said I watched it. And is it not written that a hypocrite does not know the father, or I?
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