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[wez]

This is where you show your limited knowledge on the subject. Do some research in forensic Athropology, there is much more to the differences in race beyond skin color and melanin content, otherwise it would be impossible for us to determine race by degraded remains and not at all by skeletal remains alone.

 

As for the whole, white guilt thing, just because you harbor "white guilt" doesn't mean it's right, in modern society to let it guide you, nor does it mean we all live by it, nor should they, just as the definicion of racist as the U of D says, which includes you, is the only definition.

 

 

I don't harbor white guilt.. I never killed anyone cause of their skin pigment.. Problem is, we are still might = righting people based on skin pigment.. and as you know..

 

Whatever is ok for you to do to another human being, is ok for every other human being to do to you.

 

 

The only part of a human being that makes a difference to me is the brain and how it's used.

 

I guess I'm a racist against bigots who think skin pigment and bone structure make a man .. yay me.

[snafu]

I'm grateful to be white, I'm ashamed of many things white people have done to other races, and I have no problem with white people being proud to be white.

 

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And so should the blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc........ They ALL have something to be ashamed of and proud of. Black enslaved blacks. Asian committed genocide on other Asians. The list goes on and on all the way to the two cave man clans.

[ImWithStupid]

I don't harbor white guilt.. I never killed anyone cause of their skin pigment.. Problem is, we are still might = righting people based on skin pigment.. and as you know..

 

 

So it's ok for you to make a broad generalization about a group of people, but not for someone else.

 

Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

 

I gave the general opinion of society on white, christian males not being able to be offended, but your general opinon of us being a might = right people, is ok.

 

Your broad description of whites and our society as a whole is just as much of a bigoted sterotype as any skinhead. Skinheads are just willing to "own" the truth, you aren't.

 

Hypocrit.

 

One of the main differences between me and you is you live in the world of make believe and how things should be and I deal in the real world with everyday folk, of all sorts of backgrounds and ethnicities on a daily basis, under crisis situations, under times of joy, under times of thankfulness, under times of anger, under times of outrage, under times of distress, times of complete trauma, times of total violation to their lives and bodies, I've had to tell loved ones their family members are dead, these people are strangers but have had to deal with their pain at that time and confort them, I have traveled to many parts of the world, dealt with people in those places, people striving for true freedom not the false cries of many in the US, and base my views on this interaction, I make my opinions.

 

Please, don't even try to tell me you know of what real people are more than me.

[wez]

This is where you show your limited knowledge on the subject. Do some research in forensic Athropology...

 

And race cannot always be determined from a skeleton.. despite your worldly knowledge on forensic anthropology.

 

Matter of fact, I did a presentation on facial forensic reconstruction at the end of my cadaver dissection class last year... on the differences between negroids, mongolians, and caucasians.. not an exact science, nor court worthy.. but can help ID missing persons. Bad insult.. try again..

[wez]

So it's ok for you to make a broad generalization about a group of people, but not for someone else.

 

Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

 

I gave the general opinion of society on white, christian males not being able to be offended, but your general opinon of us being a might = right people, is ok.

 

Your broad description of whites and our society as a whole is just as much of a bigoted sterotype as any skinhead. Skinheads are just willing to "own" the truth, you aren't.

 

Hypocrit.

 

One of the main differences between me and you is you live in the world of make believe and how things should be and I deal in the real world with everyday folk, of all sorts of backgrounds and ethnicities on a daily basis, under crisis situations, under times of joy, under times of thankfulness, under times of anger, under times of outrage, under times of distress, times of complete trauma, times of total violation to their lives and bodies, I've had to tell loved ones their family members are dead, these people are strangers but have had to deal with their pain at that time and confort them, I have traveled to many parts of the world, dealt with people in those places, people striving for true freedom not the false cries of many in the US, and base my views on this interaction, I make my opinions.

 

Please, don't even try to tell me you know of what real people are more than me.

 

Errrr.. we are might = right people as a group, Not as individuals.

 

Hahahaha.. ok.. you know "real people" more than me..

 

 

Please, don't even try to tell me you know what hypocrites are more than me..

[ImWithStupid]

And race cannot always be determined from a skeleton.. despite your worldly knowledge on forensic anthropology.

 

Matter of fact, I did a presentation on facial forensic reconstruction at the end of my cadaver dissection class last year... on the differences between negroids, mongolians, and caucasians.. not an exact science, nor court worthy.. but can help ID missing persons. Bad insult.. try again..

 

I don't remember saying anything about facial forensics. I guess you want to limit the topic to something you think you can speak of. Hypocrit.

[ImWithStupid]

Errrr.. we are might = right people as a group, Not as individuals.

 

Hahahaha.. ok.. you know "real people" more than me..

 

 

Please, don't even try to tell me you know what hypocrites are more than me..

 

More blanket generalizations, just because you say it doesn't make it so.

[wez]

I don't remember saying anything about facial forensics. I guess you want to limit the topic to something you think you can speak of. Hypocrit.

 

Well.. what kind of forensics were you taking about and how do you think they determine race from a skeleton? If there's intact skin at all, they don't need to take an educated guess at race..

 

And I'm a hypocrite how?

[wez]

More blanket generalizations, just because you say it doesn't make it so.

 

Are you drunk?

 

Or in denial?

 

Or perhaps your a bit sore at me for another reason?

[ImWithStupid]

Are you drunk?

 

Or in denial?

 

Or perhaps your a bit sore at me for another reason?

 

How can the quote...

 

Errrr.. we are might = right people as a group, Not as individuals.

 

be determined as anything more than a blanket generalization? It's the same as a bigot saying that all Jews are money hungry.

 

It's a blanket generalization of a population.

 

Hypocrit.

 

No sore feelings. Amazing how when I point the mirror at you I have to be doing it from a point of hate or alterior motive, but when you do it, it's enlightening.

 

Hypocrit.

[ImWithStupid]

Well.. what kind of forensics were you taking about and how do you think they determine race from a skeleton? If there's intact skin at all, they don't need to take an educated guess at race..

 

And I'm a hypocrite how?

 

The skull is a major part of the puzzle but as with all credible science, it's a totality of the evidence that determines the result, not just the skull. More cherry picking?

 

Yes you are.

[wez]

How can the quote...

 

 

 

be determined as anything more than a blanket generalization? It's the same as a bigot saying that all Jews are money hungry.

 

It's a blanket generalization of a population.

 

Hypocrit.

 

No sore feelings. Amazing how when I point the mirror at you I have to be doing it from a point of hate or alterior motive, but when you do it, it's enlightening.

 

Hypocrit.

 

 

Not all whites subscribe to might = right, or condone it.. Better?

 

Nor does the might = right theory a monopoly to white people.. Every race on Earth has it's might = right freaks..

 

Better?

[wez]

The skull is a major part of the puzzle but as with all credible science, it's a totality of the evidence that determines the result, not just the skull. More cherry picking?

 

Yes you are.

 

Can you get a bit more specific and share your worldy knowledge on forensic anthropology?

 

Not that credible a science.. Not admissible in court..

 

And I'm a hypocrite how again? How can that be? I don't condemn anyone for anything..

 

Did I condemn someone for making generalizations?

 

Please explain

[wez]

Blacks have been enslaved, bought and sold by whites via might = right.

 

Whites have never been enslaved, bought and sold by blacks via might = right.

 

Got a problem with those statements?

[wez]

And another thing.. are you trying to prove FA correct by forensic anthropology for him? What's your point?

 

Can't he argue his own arguments?

 

Bone structure and skin pigment are the foundation of your argument?

 

 

Am I a hypocrite for judging, labeling, and looking down on someone for hating people for bone structure and skin pigment whilst I myself hate someone for bone structure and skin pigment?

 

I don't hate people who hate people based on bone structure and skin pigment, so how am I a hypocrite here?

 

Please explain

[ImWithStupid]

Not all whites subscribe to might = right, or condone it.. Better?

 

Nor does the might = right theory a monopoly to white people.. Every race on Earth has it's might = right freaks..

 

Better?

 

Has nothing to do with whites. Has to do with the American population and whites. You lump all Americans and all whites in the might = right argument. Funny thing is there is so much black on black violence, so much black tribe vs. black tribe in Africa commiting genocide, all the white on white genocide in the Balkans, all the Asian on Asian genocide in South East Asia along with the atrocities and discrimination in Tibet, but keep bringing up the might = right mentality as a white American thing. It's a world thing. Regardless of nationallity or race.

 

Bigot.

[wez]

Has nothing to do with whites. Has to do with the American population and whites. You lump all Americans and all whites in the might = right argument. Funny thing is there is so much black on black violence, so much black tribe vs. black tribe in Africa commiting genocide, all the white on white genocide in the Balkans, all the Asian on Asian genocide in South East Asia along with the atrocities and discrimination in Tibet, but keep bringing up the might = right mentality as a white American thing. It's a world thing. Regardless of nationallity or race.

 

Bigot.

 

Isn't that what I just said?

 

Not all whites subscribe to might = right, or condone it.. Better?

 

Nor does the might = right theory a monopoly to white people.. Every race on Earth has it's might = right freaks..

 

Why yes.. it is..

 

I also said this..

 

Blacks have been enslaved, bought and sold by whites via might = right.

 

Whites have never been enslaved, bought and sold by blacks via might = right.

 

Come show me how this makes me a hypocrite and a bigot..

[ImWithStupid]

And another thing.. are you trying to prove FA correct by forensic anthropology for him? What's your point?

 

Can't he argue his own arguments?

 

Bone structure and skin pigment are the foundation of your argument?

 

 

Am I a hypocrite for judging, labeling, and looking down on someone for hating people for bone structure and skin pigment whilst I myself hate someone for bone structure and skin pigment?

 

I don't hate people who hate people based on bone structure and skin pigment, so how am I a hypocrite here?

 

Please explain

 

At least you are now acknowledging that it's "bone structure" not just "skull structure" that forensic anthropologist use as tools. Nice try to slip in the big picture to your failed arguemnent. (I'd really like to read your supposed paper on skulls though) could you please send me a copy by PM or email. It would be a wonderful read.

 

You continually look down on whites, judge and label them base on their skin color. I however have never done so.

 

You generalize and label people of "white" color for the past atrocities of their ancestors. It's racism and it's bigotry no matter how you define it. A generalization of a group based on a single charactheristic is racism and bigotry. No matter what the group.

[ImWithStupid]

Blacks have been enslaved, bought and sold by whites via might = right.

 

Whites have never been enslaved, bought and sold by blacks via might = right.

 

Got a problem with those statements?

 

Here again you show your historical niativity. Whites have been enslaved for centuries. Maybe not by a large portion of blacks in the recent history of the United States, but black Muslims had many white slaves along with slaves between different factions of Europe dealing with the Romans, Goths, Germanians, Slovs, etc... to say that whites have never been enslaved is utter igonrance, just as Christians, Jews and "hethans" have been enslaved by Muslims if they refused to convert.

 

Just because a situation is more modern doesn't make it more relevent.

[wez]

At least you are now acknowledging that it's "bone structure" not just "skull structure" that forensic anthropologist use as tools. Nice try to slip in the big picture to your failed arguemnent. (I'd really like to read your supposed paper on skulls though) could you please send me a copy by PM or email. It would be a wonderful read.

 

You continually look down on whites, judge and label them base on their skin color. I however have never done so.

 

You generalize and label people of "white" color for the past atrocities of their ancestors. It's racism and it's bigotry no matter how you define it. A generalization of a group based on a single charactheristic is racism and bigotry. No matter what the group.

 

 

No, I don't.. I judge hypocrites.. not to condemn them.. but to help them see.. I have a soft spot for them. I loved one for 20 years.. and still do.

 

And my supposed paper is nothing I have to e mail.. nor anything I saved.. and was a small part of a 4 person presentation on facial features.. of which the 4 of us dissected the head on 2 different cadavers.. Other groups of 4 did presentations on the part of the body they dissected.. Besides, why would someone with infinite knowledge on forensic anthropology want to see my failed argument?

 

Why don't you tell me what other specific bone structure is used to determine race? You're the expert, not me..

 

When did the argument turn into forensic anthropology and I failed how?

 

Please explain

[wez]

Here again you show your historical niativity. Whites have been enslaved for centuries. Maybe not by a large portion of blacks in the recent history of the United States, but black Muslims had many white slaves along with slaves between different factions of Europe dealing with the Romans, Goths, Germanians, Slovs, etc... to say that whites have never been enslaved is utter igonrance, just as Christians, Jews and "hethans" have been enslaved by Muslims if they refused to convert.

 

Just because a situation is more modern doesn't make it more relevent.

 

I guess I didn't clarify.. I never said whites have never been slaves.. and I was talking about America, specifically..

 

Sounds interesting though.. perhaps you could fill me in on your worldy historical non-naivity on the ins and outs of slavery and who mighted = righted who since the dawn of time?

[ImWithStupid]

No, I don't.. I judge hypocrites.. not to condemn them.. but to help them see.. I have a soft spot for them. I loved one for 20 years.. and still do.

 

And my supposed paper is nothing I have to e mail.. nor anything I saved.. and was a small part of a 4 person presentation on facial features.. of which the 4 of us dissected the head on 2 different cadavers.. Other groups of 4 did presentations on the part of the body they dissected.. Besides, why would someone with infinite knowledge on forensic anthropology want to see my failed argument?

 

Why don't you tell me what other specific bone structure is used to determine race? You're the expert, not me..

 

When did the argument turn into forensic anthropology and I failed how?

 

Please explain

 

Scan it and send it as a pdf file if you have to or a jpg if necessary. I'd love to read it.

 

As far as the bone structure I think you know the answer as far as that. You just thought you could bluff your way past, pelvic structure, leg and arm structure as a factor to support skull information. Yes, the skull gives much of the information but there are many corroborting markers in the rest of the skeleton that ultimately determine a definitive diagnosis of the major race profile.

 

It turned to forensic anthropology when you tried to make the arguement that race was only a matter of melanin in the skin, not based on bone structure, genetic charachteristics as far as disorders, propensity to fflictions and general DNA.

[wez]

Scan it and send it as a pdf file if you have to or a jpg if necessary. I'd love to read it.

 

As far as the bone structure I think you know the answer as far as that. You just thought you could bluff your way past, pelvic structure, leg and arm structure as a factor to support skull information. Yes, the skull gives much of the information but there are many corroborting markers in the rest of the skeleton that ultimately determine a definitive diagnosis of the major race profile.

 

It turned to forensic anthropology when you tried to make the arguement that race was only a matter of melanin in the skin, not based on bone structure, genetic charachteristics as far as disorders, propensity to fflictions and general DNA.

 

And my supposed paper is nothing I have to e mail.. nor anything I saved..

 

I saved nothing... why would I? Didn't know I'd be accused of lying about it 1 1/2 years later..

 

And those bone structures, skin pigmentation, propensity for disorders, and general DNA support racial segregation how?

 

Basically.. those bone structures are broken down into percentages that are found in all races, some more common in certain races than others, with the skull the most telling.. specifically the eye sockets, frontal bone and nasal area... and an educated guess is made..

 

Pelvic bones are good.. for telling the sex.. and the race to a certain extent I suppose.. don't really know. I aint an expert like you.. and like I said, this supports racial segregation and a race war how?

[ImWithStupid]

I saved nothing... why would I? Didn't know I'd be accused of lying about it 1 1/2 years later..

 

And those bone structures, skin pigmentation, propensity for disorders, and general DNA support racial segregation how?

 

Basically.. those bone structures are broken down into percentages that are found in all races, some more common in certain races than others, with the skull the most telling.. specifically the eye sockets, frontal bone and nasal area... and an educated guess is made..

 

at which point a "definitive" opinion is based on corroborting evidence. Information based on skull profiles alone is presumptive, that's agian why I said determinations based on "skeletal ramains" is relevant. Nice attempt to bring things back to your supposed paper on skulls alone. It's a sham based on it's basis and theory.

 

Pelvic bones are good.. for telling the sex.. and the race to a certain extent I suppose.. don't really know. I aint an expert like you.. and like I said, this supports racial segregation and a race war how?

 

So now that you've been pwned on your own line of debate, you want to regress back to race war.

 

The subject was on differnces between races beyond skin color and your own "white guilt". Funny thing is you were hoping to live off of this arguemnt that once you played the race card everyone would become submissive. Thank you for supporting my whole argument that white, male christians can't have an honest discussion without being consdered bigots.

[wez]

at which point a "definitive" opinion is based on corroborting evidence. Information based on skull profiles alone is presumptive, that's agian why I said determinations based on "skeletal ramains" is relevant. Nice attempt to bring things back to your supposed paper on skulls alone. It's a sham based on it's basis and theory.

 

 

 

So now that you've been pwned on your own line of debate, you want to regress back to race war.

 

The subject was on differnces between races beyond skin color and your own "white guilt". Funny thing is you were hoping to live off of this arguemnt that once you played the race card everyone would become submissive. Thank you for supporting my whole argument that white, male christians can't have an honest discussion without being consdered bigots.

 

 

Well.. you lost me.. I'll take it up with FA..

 

And you're welcome.. well done.