Guest Robibnikoff Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156440089.647521.176970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> On 24 Aug 2006 08:48:25 -0700, "thepossibilities" >> <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Why do you morons invent beliefs we don't have? >> >> Learn the difference between your stupid, ignorant and smug straw man, >> and the actuality of HAVING ZERO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR MYTHS. >> > > i didn't invent the belief its been around for thousands of years and > is still going. Well, duh, of course not. Doesn't mean it's true either. > > Another straw man to the point of lying. >> >> Why can't you assholes have a shred of honesty? > > so if I cuss and throw some acusations around I'll be considered > honest? okay, why can't you assholes be a little nicer? Why the fuck should we if we don't feel like it? >> Then you're a brainwashed idiot. > > so you have proof that your way of life is better? and everyone should > believe in nothing? What makes you think atheists "believe in nothing"? We just don't believe in god(s). -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire #1557 Quote
Guest thepossibilities Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 Robibnikoff wrote: > "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1156438268.131836.281540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Robibnikoff wrote: > >> > >> Where did he stated he believe there is "only evil"? Sounds like > >> projection > >> on your part. > > > > not so much projection as i stayed up late watching baseball and > > misread what he said, my bad. > > > >> > >> Thank goodness for that. I would hope that sort of thinking went out > >> with > >> the dark ages. > >> > > > > i only added my two cents I'm not trying to change your world or your > > beliefs, but I will admit this is fun watching everyone spin because > > they can't handle someone believing differently. > > LOL - You're funny. What in the world makes you think we "can't handle" it? > I can handle it quite fine, dearly. I assure you. > glad to here it then, let's call this a debate and do away with the terms "moron", "idiot", "straw man" and "dishonest Christain". > >> EVERYTHING that's in the bible? > > > > it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with > > absolutely everything just most things. > > Uh huh. Pick and choose what to believe in, eh? How typical. You're > what's known as a "Salad Bar Christian". i think you misunderstand me a little here, parts of the old testiment were replaced with the new testiment. hey you got any ranch to go with that? > > >> Yeah, right, sure. > > > > give it up your not changing anything I've witnessed, you can > > believe it didn't happen that's fine with me. > > Don't worry yourself, deary. I don't believe a word of it. good for you, it's your right. you wasn't there so what do you care. found it interesting how many people don't believe it but hey we all have our own mind. i would probably find it hard to believe myself if I hadn't ever experienced it and heard the story. > > > >> Fine, then bug off, okay? > > > > no, plain and simple no, this is a discussion board and this is a > > seriously interesting discussion to me. > > Alrighty then - You've been warned bring it on, I don't know everything there is to know for sure so anything new I can learn about what motivates people in what they believe in, great. always love learning. Quote
Guest DanWood Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:p9qre2d5e8667o1q492qs7t29ubrjhnnb7@4ax.com... > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:41:21 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > > > >"Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:genre2ttjlsfegkq27vidfso7h2lsouho3@4ax.com... > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:20:08 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> ><jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> >news:1156227178.495729.118180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> >> > >> >> Immortalist wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > God is a concept some humans use as a lever > >> >> > [crutch-lever?]. > >> >> > >> >> Okay. But with some 6 billion people on the planet, > >> >> this isn't exactly going out on a limb. > >> >> > >> >> I mean, try to imagine if some aliens visited the > >> >> Earth from another planet, and not knowing a lot > >> >> about us they asked me about sex, what it is we > >> >> do. At this point I tell the aliens that some people > >> >> are masochistic, that they get a sexual thrill out > >> >> of having pain inflicted on them. > >> >> > >> >> I'd be leaving them with a pretty misleading view > >> >> of human sexuality, would I not? > >> >> > >> >> > If evolutionary theory is correct, people with > >> >> > particular religious instincts survived and the > >> >> > atheists died. > >> >> > >> >> There is absolutely no reason to believe this. > >> >> > >> >> None. > >> >> > >> >> How are you arriving at this claim? > >> >> > >> >There are people who go to their deaths completely > >> >assured that it's not the end. And are convinced they > >> >will live again a much better life. Atheist, however, > >> >have none of this assurance. > >> > > >> > >> Neither do Christians, Dan. They want to believe their fantasies, but > >> they don't really. > >> > >Do you speak for Christians? > > So demonstrate that your pretend friend is more than just a fantasy. > > What's that? > > You can't? > > Given your earlier performance where you couldn't grasp the difference > between rationalising in terms of an unjustified presumption, and a > conclusion which you pretended to make, that doesn't surprise me. > Chris, do you consider anything in the religious sphere to be anything, but unjustified presumptions? I know the difference between a conclusion and a presumption. I did offer what I consider empirical evidence for God's existence. And this is evidence which satisfies me. You disagreed that this evidence points to a creator, but you offered nothing in its place except guesses, supposition and unsupported hypotheses. Dan Quote
Guest thepossibilities Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 Robibnikoff wrote: > "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > snip > > > > okay, you can call it what you wish, how about a rise? > > Rise? Hey, whatever blows your dress up, kiddo. thanks but these days I wear a skirt so it's much easier to get it blown up. What does "kiddo" have to do with anything? throwing more sarcism out there to help get your view point across? > >> > >> >> EVERYTHING that's in the bible? > >> > > >> > it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with > >> > absolutely everything just most things. > >> > >> How do you know which are the right ones? Is it because you want them > >> to be? (Like you had said about belief in the religion in general), or > >> because of the historicality of certain parts, or what? > > > > historical things that are backed up by recent archeological > > discoveries. > > Such as? > what i've read, how about you citing something to do with there being no "God"? > > not to mention writings from others about Jesus's > > existence > > Such as? Got a cite for that? BTW, Josephus doesn't count as that's a proven > forgery > > >and what happend that have nothing to do with the Bible. > > What the heck does this mean? i mean sources that aren't Christian and have nothing to do with the Bible. Quote
Guest BORG Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156448755.671396.135100@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > i think you misunderstand me a little here, parts of the old testiment > were replaced with the new testiment. It is this kind of thing that endears us to humans. I mean look at it. Ain't it CUTE! Quote
Guest thepossibilities Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 Robibnikoff wrote: > "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1156440089.647521.176970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > Christopher A. Lee wrote: > >> On 24 Aug 2006 08:48:25 -0700, "thepossibilities" > >> <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Why do you morons invent beliefs we don't have? > >> > >> Learn the difference between your stupid, ignorant and smug straw man, > >> and the actuality of HAVING ZERO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR MYTHS. > >> > > > > i didn't invent the belief its been around for thousands of years and > > is still going. > > Well, duh, of course not. > > Doesn't mean it's true either. what about history books about our country? should we say they are all completely false, throw out the constitution and do whatever? Since it's probably fake anyway? > > > > Another straw man to the point of lying. > >> > >> Why can't you assholes have a shred of honesty? > > > > so if I cuss and throw some acusations around I'll be considered > > honest? okay, why can't you assholes be a little nicer? > > Why the fuck should we if we don't feel like it? your proving a point to me, kindness will not abound from non-believers. ;] > > >> Then you're a brainwashed idiot. > > > > so you have proof that your way of life is better? and everyone should > > believe in nothing? > > What makes you think atheists "believe in nothing"? We just don't believe > in god(s). explain a little of what you believe in so I better understand Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 On 24 Aug 2006 12:33:43 -0700, "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> On 24 Aug 2006 10:21:29 -0700, "thepossibilities" >> <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> >> On 24 Aug 2006 08:48:25 -0700, "thepossibilities" >> >> <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Why do you morons invent beliefs we don't have? >> >> >> >> Learn the difference between your stupid, ignorant and smug straw man, >> >> and the actuality of HAVING ZERO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR MYTHS. >> >> >> > >> >i didn't invent the belief its been around for thousands of years and >> >is still going. >> >> You meant the belief that brindead theists have about what is in >> atheists' heads? >> >> And that excuses you lying about atheists to our faces, brainwashed >> moron? > >don't get where you are going with this, can you offer a more detailed >response with less criticism, it distracts from the subject matter. i >am touching on the subject of God primarily because that is the main >subject here, I explained why I believe in God so explain to me the >convincing evidence you have there is no God and what other belief's an >atheist has. Here's a clue, moron, you obviously need it: WE DON'T HAVE THE BELIEFS YOU INVENTED FOR US. Was that clear enough even for you? And stop shifting the burden of proof. >> >> > > Another straw man to the point of lying. >> >> >> >> Why can't you assholes have a shred of honesty? >> > >> >so if I cuss and throw some acusations around I'll be considered >> >honest? okay, why can't you assholes be a little nicer? >> >> More Christian dishonesty. > >you seem to have brandened every "Christian" as dishonest, do you know >every "Christian" personally? I am not trying to prove otherwise since >in your mind you firmly believe this so I would say it's best to let it >go. Another emotionally prejudicial lie. We wouldn't give a shit about your religion if you kept it to yourself. And when you don't, or when you lie about us to our faces, don't whine about the response and resort to further lies. Like whaen you said "Again if you want to believe you live out your life on earth and then it's over and done with and you can be happy with this then so be it". We don't "believe" that, liar. Let alone "want to believe it". It is a fact of life that people die. If you imagine anybody has to take your ridiculoud beliefs about an after life seriously YOU have to demonstrate one BEFORE smugly lying about us. In the real world outside your religion, it is just SOMEBODY'S RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. We don't waste our time believing the opposite. Your beliefs are merely beliefs until YOU demonstrate otherwise. And rationalisations aren't demonstration that it is anything more than your wacky belief(s) that we wouldn't care about if you kept them to yourself. >> >> >> Then you're a brainwashed idiot. >> > >> >so you have proof that your way of life is better? and everyone should >> >believe in nothing? >> >> Yet more stupidity. The only people who imagine atheists "believe >> innothing" are deliberately ignorant theists like you who invent >> positions we don't have, projecting their own deficiencies on us. > >again explain to me what you believe in other than there being no "God" >so I better understand you. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 On 24 Aug 2006 12:45:55 -0700, "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: >Robibnikoff wrote: >> "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1156438268.131836.281540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> > Robibnikoff wrote: >> >> >> >> Where did he stated he believe there is "only evil"? Sounds like >> >> projection >> >> on your part. >> > >> > not so much projection as i stayed up late watching baseball and >> > misread what he said, my bad. >> > >> >> >> >> Thank goodness for that. I would hope that sort of thinking went out >> >> with >> >> the dark ages. >> >> >> > >> > i only added my two cents I'm not trying to change your world or your >> > beliefs, but I will admit this is fun watching everyone spin because >> > they can't handle someone believing differently. >> >> LOL - You're funny. What in the world makes you think we "can't handle" it? >> I can handle it quite fine, dearly. I assure you. >> > >glad to here it then, let's call this a debate and do away with the >terms "moron", "idiot", "straw man" and "dishonest Christain". Then don't be any of those. Hint" IF YOU HADN'T SMUGLY LIED ABOUT BELIEFS YOU INVENTED FOR US THAT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SHOWN YOURSELF TO BE THOSE THINGS. Was that clear enough even for you? Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156447390.271476.292870@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > droth wrote: >> thepossibilities wrote: >> >>> i only added my two cents I'm not trying to change your world or your >> >>> beliefs, but I will admit this is fun watching everyone spin because >> >>> they can't handle someone believing differently. >> >> I think you are seeing something that isn't there (again?). >> > >> > okay, you can call it what you wish, how about a rise? >> >> How about a response ? > > thought I did respond when I explained that I misread the earlier post, > however I deem this issue mute at this point and doesn't matter a whole > lot in the grand scheme of things. > >> >> >>>> EVERYTHING that's in the bible? >> >>> it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with >> >>> absolutely everything just most things. >> >> How do you know which are the right ones? Is it because you want them >> >> to be? (Like you had said about belief in the religion in general), >> >> or >> >> because of the historicality of certain parts, or what? >> > >> > historical things that are backed up by recent archeological >> > discoveries. not to mention writings from others about Jesus's >> > existence and what happend that have nothing to do with the Bible. >> >> Okay, so let's get specific. >> >> Matthew 19:24: >> "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a >> rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." >> >> A couple of questions: >> 1. Do you believe this is a true part of the Bible? >> >> 2. If so, what archeological evidence, or writings of others, leads you >> to that conclusion? >> >> 3. If not, are there any other quotes attributed to Jesus that you lack >> archeological evidence of their truth, but still believe them to be true? >> > you know other than you not believeing in God why don't you educate me > a little on what atheists believe so I better understand who I am > dealing with. Well, I personally believe my husband's quite the cutie pie, but that's probably not what you're looking for -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156447574.381655.17250@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Bob wrote: >> On 23 Aug 2006 15:42:19 -0700, "thepossibilities" >> <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >I don't want to >> >believe we are born on this earth live out our life and then cease to >> >exist. >> >> Why not? >> >> What could be more blissful than nonexistence. > > this would be your opinion in regard to the matter. > >> >> I am looking forward to it. One lifetime is enough to last me all >> eternity. >> >> It would be cruel if God forced us to exist as finite creatures for >> all eternity. The existential dread would drive us mad. > > if you consider heaven to be dreadful then you should read up on it a > little. LOL - Perhaps you could prove it exists first -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156448755.671396.135100@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Robibnikoff wrote: >> "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1156438268.131836.281540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> > Robibnikoff wrote: >> >> >> >> Where did he stated he believe there is "only evil"? Sounds like >> >> projection >> >> on your part. >> > >> > not so much projection as i stayed up late watching baseball and >> > misread what he said, my bad. >> > >> >> >> >> Thank goodness for that. I would hope that sort of thinking went out >> >> with >> >> the dark ages. >> >> >> > >> > i only added my two cents I'm not trying to change your world or your >> > beliefs, but I will admit this is fun watching everyone spin because >> > they can't handle someone believing differently. >> >> LOL - You're funny. What in the world makes you think we "can't handle" >> it? >> I can handle it quite fine, dearly. I assure you. >> > > glad to here it then, let's call this a debate and do away with the > terms "moron", "idiot", "straw man" and "dishonest Christain". Hey, I don't use those terms in the first place. However, one thing you will soon discover is that you can't get people to do what you want in Usenet. >> >> EVERYTHING that's in the bible? >> > >> > it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with >> > absolutely everything just most things. >> >> Uh huh. Pick and choose what to believe in, eh? How typical. You're >> what's known as a "Salad Bar Christian". > i think you misunderstand me a little here, parts of the old testiment > were replaced with the new testiment. Such as? > hey you got any ranch to go with > that? No, only blue cheese. >> >> Yeah, right, sure. >> > >> > give it up your not changing anything I've witnessed, you can >> > believe it didn't happen that's fine with me. >> >> Don't worry yourself, deary. I don't believe a word of it. > > good for you, it's your right. you wasn't there so what do you care. I don't > found it interesting how many people don't believe it but hey we all > have our own mind. i would probably find it hard to believe myself if > I hadn't ever experienced it and heard the story. >> > >> >> Fine, then bug off, okay? >> > >> > no, plain and simple no, this is a discussion board and this is a >> > seriously interesting discussion to me. >> >> Alrighty then - You've been warned > > bring it on, I don't know everything there is to know for sure so > anything new I can learn about what motivates people in what they > believe in, great. always love learning. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156449090.569294.221770@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Robibnikoff wrote: >> "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> snip >> > >> > okay, you can call it what you wish, how about a rise? >> >> Rise? Hey, whatever blows your dress up, kiddo. > > thanks but these days I wear a skirt so it's much easier to get it > blown up. What does "kiddo" have to do with anything? throwing more > sarcism out there to help get your view point across? Maybe.............maybe not. Don't make such a big deal out of it. Usenet isn't for the thin-skinned. Frankly, you sound pretty young. >> >> >> EVERYTHING that's in the bible? >> >> > >> >> > it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with >> >> > absolutely everything just most things. >> >> >> >> How do you know which are the right ones? Is it because you want them >> >> to be? (Like you had said about belief in the religion in general), >> >> or >> >> because of the historicality of certain parts, or what? >> > >> > historical things that are backed up by recent archeological >> > discoveries. >> >> Such as? > > what i've read, Such as? how about you citing something to do with there being > no "God"? Why should I? I never made such a statement. >> not to mention writings from others about Jesus's >> > existence >> >> Such as? Got a cite for that? BTW, Josephus doesn't count as that's a >> proven >> forgery >> >> >and what happend that have nothing to do with the Bible. >> >> What the heck does this mean? > > i mean sources that aren't Christian and have nothing to do with the > Bible. Such as? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire #1557 Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:50:49 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >news:p9qre2d5e8667o1q492qs7t29ubrjhnnb7@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:41:21 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >news:genre2ttjlsfegkq27vidfso7h2lsouho3@4ax.com... >> >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:20:08 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> ><jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:1156227178.495729.118180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> Immortalist wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > God is a concept some humans use as a lever >> >> >> > [crutch-lever?]. >> >> >> >> >> >> Okay. But with some 6 billion people on the planet, >> >> >> this isn't exactly going out on a limb. >> >> >> >> >> >> I mean, try to imagine if some aliens visited the >> >> >> Earth from another planet, and not knowing a lot >> >> >> about us they asked me about sex, what it is we >> >> >> do. At this point I tell the aliens that some people >> >> >> are masochistic, that they get a sexual thrill out >> >> >> of having pain inflicted on them. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'd be leaving them with a pretty misleading view >> >> >> of human sexuality, would I not? >> >> >> >> >> >> > If evolutionary theory is correct, people with >> >> >> > particular religious instincts survived and the >> >> >> > atheists died. >> >> >> >> >> >> There is absolutely no reason to believe this. >> >> >> >> >> >> None. >> >> >> >> >> >> How are you arriving at this claim? >> >> >> >> >> >There are people who go to their deaths completely >> >> >assured that it's not the end. And are convinced they >> >> >will live again a much better life. Atheist, however, >> >> >have none of this assurance. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Neither do Christians, Dan. They want to believe their fantasies, but >> >> they don't really. >> >> >> >Do you speak for Christians? >> >> So demonstrate that your pretend friend is more than just a fantasy. >> >> What's that? >> >> You can't? >> >> Given your earlier performance where you couldn't grasp the difference >> between rationalising in terms of an unjustified presumption, and a >> conclusion which you pretended to make, that doesn't surprise me. >> >Chris, do you consider anything in the religious sphere to be anything, >but unjustified presumptions? I know the difference between a >conclusion and a presumption. I did offer what I consider empirical >evidence for God's existence. And this is evidence which satisfies me. >You disagreed that this evidence points to a creator, but you offered >nothing in its place except guesses, supposition and unsupported >hypotheses. More dishonesty. Or are you just incapable of reading for comprehension? When you beg the question, they are unjustified until you provide justification. And you are deluding yourself if you imagine there is empirical evidence. You presume it, you don't conclude it. You have offered nothing that remotely resembles evidence, let one empirical evidence. Let alone anything that points to a creator. And what is wrong with not knowing YET what happened prior to 10^-43 seconds after the big bang? We're honest about that - unlike you. Your insistence that the deity you coincidentally happened to already believe in, did it, is baseless. You have crashed an area where every claim has to be backed up, and where the speculations you dismiss are part and parcel of how science works BECAUSE NOBODY PRETENDS THEY ARE ANY MORE THAN AVENUES TO BE EXPLORED - which is simply the methodology used for finding out how reality works. Your dismissal of them merely demonstrates your ignorance of the real world outside your religion. As does your refusal to back up your "God" claims IN AN AREA WHERE EVERY CLAIM HAS TO BE BACKED UP. AGAIN, OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION. In your "logic", "God" is a presumption not a conclusion nor an observation. Because it is the only way to get there using your circular argument, your argument from ignorance etc. You have to step aside from any presumptions about it, pretending you had never heard of it. Then describe the evidence you insist exists that you never provide, and then explain why it leads to "God" without any of the presumptions you are supposed not to have. Hint: without those presumptions you could not even call it "God", whatever it is you imagine you have found. Let alone any of the doctrinal attributes you give it. Until you do that, you have nothing whatsoever to say on the subject. So stop wasting everybody's time. >Dan > Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156449315.275054.323260@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Robibnikoff wrote: >> "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1156440089.647521.176970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> > Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> >> On 24 Aug 2006 08:48:25 -0700, "thepossibilities" >> >> <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Why do you morons invent beliefs we don't have? >> >> >> >> Learn the difference between your stupid, ignorant and smug straw man, >> >> and the actuality of HAVING ZERO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR MYTHS. >> >> >> > >> > i didn't invent the belief its been around for thousands of years and >> > is still going. >> >> Well, duh, of course not. >> >> Doesn't mean it's true either. > > what about history books about our country? What about them? should we say they are all > completely false, throw out the constitution and do whatever? Of course not - That would be stupid. Since > it's probably fake anyway? What makes you think that? Last I heard, history didn't deal too much with myths and people rising from the dead. >> > > Another straw man to the point of lying. >> >> >> >> Why can't you assholes have a shred of honesty? >> > >> > so if I cuss and throw some acusations around I'll be considered >> > honest? okay, why can't you assholes be a little nicer? >> >> Why the fuck should we if we don't feel like it? > > your proving a point to me, kindness will not abound from > non-believers. ;] So? Take a look at some of the raving believers that come into alt.atheism. One recently prayed that someone here would get cancer. Nice! BTW, sweetums, we're not telling you you're going to burn in hell for all eternity. We hear that quite frequently from believers. >> >> Then you're a brainwashed idiot. >> > >> > so you have proof that your way of life is better? and everyone should >> > believe in nothing? >> >> What makes you think atheists "believe in nothing"? We just don't >> believe >> in god(s). > > explain a little of what you believe in so I better understand I believe that I'm starting to get bored with this conversation How's that? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire #1557 Quote
Guest thepossibilities Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 here's "dictionary.com"'s definintion of an atheist, found the synonyms interesting. as for backing up my points it's pointless you won't believe it anyway. besides i don't see anyone defining an atheist or proving any of there points. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source new! a‧the‧ist /ˈeɪθiɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ey-thee-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Origin: 1565–75; < Gk áthe(os) godless + -ist] —Synonyms Atheist, agnostic, infidel, skeptic refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular form of religious belief. An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine. Infidel means an unbeliever, especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity. A skeptic doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds. Quote
Guest Lizz Holmans Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:15:25 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >Well, I personally believe my husband's quite the cutie pie, but that's >probably not what you're looking for Surely there is no man lovelier than my caro sposo. He knows when to leave the bit loose, so he gentle, but he never uses his whip. Lizz 'this is a metaphor. Nobody ever bought me a pony. And I'm still pissed about it' Holmans -- Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta Quote
Guest Lizz Holmans Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:42:04 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >"thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >snip >> >> okay, you can call it what you wish, how about a rise? > >Rise? Hey, whatever blows your dress up, kiddo. Your correspondent is probably speaking English English. Rise=raise in salary. Lizz 'and I don't wear dresses if I don't have to' Holmans -- Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta Quote
Guest Frank Mayhar Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:45:55 -0700, thepossibilities wrote: > [ Unimportant. ] Kiddo, you're crossposting to alt.philosophy, sci.logic, sci.skeptic, alt.atheism and alt.religion. Except for that last one, you're in the _wrong_ place to promote your religious belief. Further, judging from what you've already written, you're way, _way_ out of your depth. Most folks here in alt.atheism have knocked down the arguments you've posted so far not once but many, many times. It may be new to you but it's certainly not new to us. So I suggest that you do one of three things: You can lurk for a while, reading what both the regulars and the trolling theists post and learning just why the attitude of most here is what it is. (You can also go to Google Groups and read the archives, which will also teach you a lot.) You can go play in your own sandbox and leave the rest of us alone, whereby we won't be annoyed and you won't have your cherished beliefs dissected and torn apart before your eyes. Or, finally, you can recognize that others don't share your beliefs and that those beliefs have no objective, provable underpinning, grow a very thick skin, and join the chaos that is alt.atheism. The alternative, of course, is to get your rhetorical ass handed to you in multiple pieces, over and over again. Your choice. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ Quote
Guest thepossibilities Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 Frank Mayhar wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:45:55 -0700, thepossibilities wrote: > > [ Unimportant. ] > > Kiddo, you're crossposting to alt.philosophy, sci.logic, sci.skeptic, > alt.atheism and alt.religion. Except for that last one, you're in the > _wrong_ place to promote your religious belief. > > Further, judging from what you've already written, you're way, _way_ out > of your depth. Most folks here in alt.atheism have knocked down the > arguments you've posted so far not once but many, many times. It may be > new to you but it's certainly not new to us. > > So I suggest that you do one of three things: You can lurk for a while, > reading what both the regulars and the trolling theists post and learning > just why the attitude of most here is what it is. (You can also go to > Google Groups and read the archives, which will also teach you a lot.) > You can go play in your own sandbox and leave the rest of us alone, > whereby we won't be annoyed and you won't have your cherished beliefs > dissected and torn apart before your eyes. Or, finally, you can recognize > that others don't share your beliefs and that those beliefs have no > objective, provable underpinning, grow a very thick skin, and join the > chaos that is alt.atheism. > > The alternative, of course, is to get your rhetorical ass handed to you in > multiple pieces, over and over again. Your choice. > -- > Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ > Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ > http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ i would have to ask who is doing the judging here? you or me? I am juding no one I am just curious as to why you believe the way you do and you are so inistent on disproving my beliefs. You have some good advice I will reference the older posts to better understand this subject. I am pushing nothing, I am stating what I believe in, and being persecuted for it which is fine, it's expected. if I am cross posting it wasn't my intent I only wanted to respond to the "Re: Definition of God" post which I found under sci.logic. And yes I am relatively new to this group so thanks for the advice. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 On 24 Aug 2006 13:29:58 -0700, "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: >here's "dictionary.com"'s definintion of an atheist, found the synonyms >interesting. as for backing up my points it's pointless you won't >believe it anyway. besides i don't see anyone defining an atheist or >proving any of there points. > > >Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source new! >a?the?ist? /?e??i?st/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled >Pronunciation[ey-thee-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation > > Quote
Guest Frank Mayhar Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:04:17 -0700, thepossibilities wrote: > i would have to ask who is doing the judging here? you or me? I am > juding no one I am just curious as to why you believe the way you do > and you are so inistent on disproving my beliefs. If you have to ask, you're not going to understand the answer. But, yes, _you_ are doing the judging. I was just an onlooker who decided to give you some advice, since you seemed reasonable, just ill-informed. The other thing that you're going to have to realize if you want to post to alt.atheism is that _no_ one here is interested in (much less "insistent on") disproving your beliefs. It's very, very simple: The person making the assertion has the burden of proof. You assert that there is a god, fine, you prove it. When you claim that we have to _disprove_ it, you fall right into the seething pit of fallacies occupied my the rest of the religious trolls that keep coming through. None of us, to the best of my knowledge, really care what you believe, as long as you don't try to tell us that it's "The Truth" and that if we don't believe as you do some boogey god is going to torture us forever, or some such. We've heard it too many times and we're seriously _not_ interested in hearing it again. > You have some good > advice I will reference the older posts to better understand this > subject. I am pushing nothing, I am stating what I believe in, and > being persecuted for it which is fine, it's expected. See, this is a perfect example of one of the common fallacies. Just because you're being challenged does _not_ mean that you're being "persecuted." And the fact that you apparently think it does means that you have a lot to learn. Particularly about the meaning of the word "persecution." > if I am cross > posting it wasn't my intent I only wanted to respond to the "Re: > Definition of God" post which I found under sci.logic. And yes I am > relatively new to this group so thanks for the advice. You're welcome. If you want to avoid alt.atheism, I urge you to remove that group from the list of groups to which your articles are posted. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ Quote
Guest knucmo Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 Bob wrote: > What could be more blissful than nonexistence. One cannot experience non-existence. Quote
Guest droth Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 thepossibilities wrote: > droth wrote: >> thepossibilities wrote: >>>>> i only added my two cents I'm not trying to change your world or your >>>>> beliefs, but I will admit this is fun watching everyone spin because >>>>> they can't handle someone believing differently. >>>> I think you are seeing something that isn't there (again?). >>> okay, you can call it what you wish, how about a rise? >> How about a response ? > > thought I did respond when I explained that I misread the earlier post, > however I deem this issue mute at this point and doesn't matter a whole > lot in the grand scheme of things. Ah, sorry, I realize what I said was ambiguous. I meant that instead of interpreting the comments you have received as "everyone spin[ning]" or a "rise", which are kind of loaded, why not simply say "response". >>>>>> EVERYTHING that's in the bible? >>>>> it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with >>>>> absolutely everything just most things. >>>> How do you know which are the right ones? Is it because you want them >>>> to be? (Like you had said about belief in the religion in general), or >>>> because of the historicality of certain parts, or what? >>> historical things that are backed up by recent archeological >>> discoveries. not to mention writings from others about Jesus's >>> existence and what happend that have nothing to do with the Bible. >> Okay, so let's get specific. >> >> Matthew 19:24: >> "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a >> rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." >> >> A couple of questions: >> 1. Do you believe this is a true part of the Bible? >> >> 2. If so, what archeological evidence, or writings of others, leads you >> to that conclusion? >> >> 3. If not, are there any other quotes attributed to Jesus that you lack >> archeological evidence of their truth, but still believe them to be true? >> > you know other than you not believeing in God why don't you educate me > a little on what atheists believe so I better understand who I am > dealing with. If you aren't interested in answering the questions, that's fine. However, you DID state the following: 1) that you believe in Christianity largely because you don't like the option 2) you believe in the Bible because of historical veracity 3) you believe in the Bible due to later writings which support it. When asked if you believe ALL of the Bible, you said no, so I'm wondering what your method is for determining which parts to believe and which to not believe. If you need to know anything about me, or my beliefs, to make sense of yours, then I think you're in trouble. Quote
Guest Steve O Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156434505.556225.84560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Steve O wrote: >> That seems like a completely irrational thing to say. >> Just because you hope that death isn't permanent doesn't make it any >> different. >> What's the point in forcing yourself to believe in something, as you >> appear >> to , simply because the alternative is unthinkable? >> How do you actually manage to do that? >> Most of us are incapable of such double think. > > i don't force myself to believe in God at all. I freely believe in him > and his son Jesus. That isn't what you said. You said that you were a Christian largely because you don't want to believe that we are born on this earth, live out our lives and then cease to exist. To an atheist, that sounds like you only believe in God because the alternative is too horrible. I wasn't the only person to interpret your statement that way, judging from the responses. >Again if you want to believe you live out your life > on earth and then it's over and done with and you can be happy with > this then so be it. It's not a question of believing, or being happy with it, or wanting or not wanting eternal oblivion - we have no choice in the matter. Just wishing that there is an afterlife doesn't mean there is one. I really cannot understand why you cannot grasp this point. Unless of course, you have some irrefutable evidence of an afterlife which I'm not aware of. If you have, I'd be pleased to hear it. > > If you want to believe there is only evil .... Hold on a minute... who said that I believe there is only evil? You're jumping to a lot of conclusions here. In fact, for me personally, there is a lot of good and beauty in the world at the moment. >that's your choice, pretty > dismal belief if you ask me but that's your choice as well. It's not a choice or belief. You are trying to put words into my mouth. All I did was question the actual existence of an afterlife and you immediately assumed that I believed there is only evil in the world. Your illogical hopping from one subject matter to the other seems strange to me. I do not "believe" in the non existence of an afterlife at all - I simply postulate that there is absolutely no evidence that there is one. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please let me know. If you are unable to produce any, then please excuse me for not believing YOUR assertion. > >> There's nothing funny about mental health problems or delusions - I can >> assure you I'm not laughing- but what makes you think that a medical >> condition has anything to do with "demons"? > > as for mental health problems I agree there is nothing funny about > them. I believe that people can have mental problems and it's not > anything to do with Satan or demons. > >> I have seen some seriously strange behavior (and criminal behaviour) from >> other people too- but I didn't automatically conlude that demons were >> involved, so why should you? > > why should I? because I believe in what the Bible says. > Am I conversing with someone from the 12th Century here? Do you seriously believe that criminal behaviour or mental health problems can be caused by demons? What the hell is a "demon" supposed to be, anyway? story snipped >> >> Interesting story. >> But I'd be interested in knowing what kind of mushrooms they had on that >> site. > > again I don't really care if you believe me or not it's your > perogative, I was there and know what I saw. Again, it's not a question of belief. (Why are you people so obsessed with belief anyway?) It's a simple question of applying logic and common sense to understand how an incident may or may not have ocurred. With your story, I am faced with a choice - I can either accept that there are magical forces previously unknown to science, which allows a young boy to levitate at rapid speed across a field whilst in the possession of an invisible and malevolent force, or I can suspect that a bunch of kids on a camping trip had a go at the magic mushrooms. I know which explanation I prefer, although admittedly, there are several others. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 "Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?" > >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 >> "Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the >> way >> that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?" > > if you don't believe that man's hearts are truely evil then explain > while all the hateful spiteful stuff is going on in the world. With > all the killings, rapes, wars and so on. Again you can believe how you > wish, all this speak of is from my experience which is pretty clear cut > to me and no one is going to convince me otherwise. > Quote
Guest Steve O Posted August 24, 2006 Posted August 24, 2006 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:4l61jbFekg5U1@individual.net... > > "thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message > snip > >> i don't "think" I saw some guy floating I did see him floating, the >> others with me witnessed the same thing!!!!. Yes it is clear cut that >> God exists!!!!! > > Yeah, sure. Tell us another story. > -- I don't know how he makes the leap of logic from "I saw a guy floating" to "There is a God!" If it is any consolation, I convinced a workmate a while back that I could float off the ground myself. (I used the same technique that David Blaine uses to "levitate") She was absolutely stunned, had no explanation whatsoever, but I didn't hear her bleating about the existence of a god or gods as a result. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 "Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?" Quote
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