Guest Free Lunch Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:56:24 GMT, in alt.atheism spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote in <44f052e6.58281390@news-server.houston.rr.com>: >On 25 Aug 2006 08:54:46 -0700, "thepossibilities" ><bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>question, if we came from monkeys then why aren't monkeys still >>evolving into humans? > >They are. Who do you think voted fro Gore and Kerry? > >Certainly no rational person would do anthing that idiotic. Because you think it's rational to vote for the totally incompetent and morally corrupt George W Bush. Maybe you don't know what 'rational' means. Quote
Guest DanWood Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message news:44f04c04.56519609@news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:34:00 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > >Does consciousness dwell exclusively in the brain? > > Yes, based on the preponderance of the evidence. No other organ, no > other location, shows the connection with consciousness. > > >No one knows for certain. > > There is only one thing you can be certain about and that is your > knowledge that you exist. Everything else is based on assumptions > (called axioms in formal logic systems). > You can know death and taxes! > > So I am not concerned with the fact that no one knows for certain. But > I do know that the preponderance of the evidence points to the fact > that the brain alone is the source of consciousness. > Pain exist, but you cannot measure it, nevertheless pain exist. It could be the same with conscienceness. > Dan Wood, DDS > > -- > > I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote: It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed Dan Wood. This explains a lot. Quote
Guest Sean Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:eml0f25gd61q48llggg8a8vqgln81qtl4b@4ax.com... > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:12:15 +1000, "Sean" <relaxing@earth> wrote: > woo hoo Chrisie goes hard. Now read this folks ::: > In the real world, atheism isn't > even an -ism Sure Chrisie, sure. In the real world? Sure, if you say so. Everyone knows you ain't no liar!! > > Fuck off and die. > Pretty well sums up what Christopher A. Lee really thinks. Some poster boy for the Atheists. Gee whiz, are you guys ever so lucky having Chrisie as a spokesperson!!! ROTFLMAO -------------------------- ok enough of me, please resume normal programming, and I'll slip C.A.L. back on the block sender list where he belongs. Quote
Guest DanWood Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message news:44f04ce3.56742796@news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:44:37 GMT, Gospel Bretts > <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >I agree that there's no reason for consciousness to have evolved > >confined exclusively inside the brain > > Actually there is a very good reason. > > Consciousness is a result of electromagnetic activity in the brain. > Only the brain is constructed to support such activity. > This may not be the best analogy, but I've seen a few patients who were in excruciating pain. But there was no physical reason. There was no test to measure pain in such cases, but one could not deny they were in pain. Perhaps it was psychosomatic, but real enough to them. There is a question as to wheather or not "lower" animals are conscience if so, how far down the scale. Regards, Dan Wood, DDS > > -- > > I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Bob Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:27:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> There is only one thing you can be certain about and that is your >> knowledge that you exist. Everything else is based on assumptions >> (called axioms in formal logic systems). >You can know death and taxes! Not with absolute certainty. >Pain exist, but you cannot measure it, nevertheless pain exist. It could >be the same with conscienceness. That's an epistemological (psychological) statement and therefore has nothing to do with the real objective world. -- I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Enkidu Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote in news:44f07229.66284968@news-server.houston.rr.com: > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:27:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > >>> There is only one thing you can be certain about and that is your >>> knowledge that you exist. Everything else is based on assumptions >>> (called axioms in formal logic systems). > >>You can know death and taxes! > > Not with absolute certainty. You admit our existence implicitly by discussing philosophy with us. If you doubted the existence of everything but yourself, who could you possibly be corresponding with? -- Enkidu AA#2165 http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/ EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, ULC, Modesto, CA "Free societies...are societies in motion, and with motion comes tension, dissent, friction. Free people strike sparks, and those sparks are the best evidence of freedom's existence." -- Salman Rushdie Quote
Guest Bob Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:08:33 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >I'm trying the most general reasonable definition. Heaven is not a reasonable entity so attempting to define it is not reasonable. >I don't want the >pro-afterlife advocates to claim that I'm using some artificially narrow >definition to defend my point that no evidence whatsoever supports their >hypothesis that a heaven exists, that there is no evidence whatsoever >that any sort of afterlife exists. OK, but you do not have to indulge people who are simply too dull to understand what you claim. I can find no reason to accept the existence of life after death. Life for humans consists in being capable of conscious awareness. In fact it is that very conscious awareness that is the only thing each individual human can be absolutely certain of. Consciousness is a property of brain activity. When the brain dies, our counsciousness disappears. Therefore there can be no life after death in a real objective ontological sense. When a snowflake melts it ceases to exist forever. There is no rational means for a melted snowflake to continue being a snowflake. The same is true of our consciousness. I suppose you could imagine that at the moment of brain death, the energy that constituted consciousness - the electromagnetic field in the brain - could transfer to another supportive substance and continue that way. But there is nothing rational that we know of to support that claim. -- I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Bob Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:11:09 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>They are. Who do you think voted fro Gore and Kerry? >>Certainly no rational person would do anthing that idiotic. >Because you think it's rational to vote for the totally incompetent and >morally corrupt George W Bush. >Maybe you don't know what 'rational' means. Maybe you don't know what the lesser of evils means. Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain, which has to be one of the most fucked up places on Earth. -- I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Bob Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:10:10 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>The Big Bang is not even a theory, because it has so many problems. >Nonsense. The Big Band is not a theory. It is an hypothesis. The biggest problem is the necessity of a singularity. -- I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:21:23 GMT, in alt.atheism spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote in <44f074b6.66937671@news-server.houston.rr.com>: >On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:11:09 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> >wrote: > >>>They are. Who do you think voted fro Gore and Kerry? > >>>Certainly no rational person would do anthing that idiotic. > >>Because you think it's rational to vote for the totally incompetent and >>morally corrupt George W Bush. > >>Maybe you don't know what 'rational' means. > >Maybe you don't know what the lesser of evils means. > >Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain, >which has to be one of the most fucked up places on Earth. Your religious bias is showing. Quote
Guest DanWood Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message news:44f05371.58420484@news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:25:04 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > >There was no before. > > Our dinky little universe is just a very small part of the Universe, > Different people have different ideas as to what the universe is to some the earth is their universe, I.e. "global warming is a universal phenomenon" (I just read that). To others the universe is our solar system. To others the universe is the entire cosmos. I personally subscribe to the latter. This cosmos is _all_ we can observe. So we have direct empirical evidence of only the cosmos. Everything else is pure supposition. > > which is the totality of the material world. While our universe did > begin in time, the Universe did not. > Are you not speaking in terms of our solar system, if so I would agree. It was formed 4.56^9 years ago. > > The Universe has existed for eternity, because it is a Mode of > Being, that is, a manifestation of certain characteristics of God. > It has always existed just like God has always existed. > With all due respect, I must disagree. There is evidence for the big bang. such as the expanding universe, the Cosmic Microwave Background, which is the residual radiation from the BB explosion. > > >The big bang was the beginning. It was the > >beginning of space time, the laws of physics and ultimately the > >beginning of life on at least one planet. > > The Big Bang is not even a theory, because it has so many problems. > There is only a very few scientist who reject the BB theory. It is actually the standard accepted theory by the overwhelming majority most physicist, astro-physicist and astronomers. > > The latest notion from superstring theory is that our universe was > created from a black hole in the Universe. Read Brian Greene's books > to see how that happens. > I have read the "Elegant Universe". Also his string theory has been on ETV at least two times. So I am somewhat familiar with his work. But it's all supposition. Many scientism from Einstein to Green to Hawking have tried to develop a unified field theory which could encompass the four (Six according to Wheeler) fundamental laws into one. But no one has come up with a single prediction in which to test even one of the 11 string theories or the "unified" string theory - "M" theory Best Wishes, Dan > > -- > > I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Sean Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message news:44f04ce3.56742796@news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:44:37 GMT, Gospel Bretts > <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>I agree that there's no reason for consciousness to have evolved >>confined exclusively inside the brain > > Actually there is a very good reason. > > Consciousness is a result of electromagnetic activity in the brain. You got the chicken and egg, or cause/effect back to front. No consciousness, means no activity to begin with. > Only the brain is constructed to support such activity. > and a slight adjustment here would read : The Brain is created or constructed to support the activity of consciousness in the physical. The brain runs on physics/biology etc. while the consciousness is Pure Being the power behind physical reality. A faulty brain limits the expression of consciousness into this reality. Brain dead stops that expression in the current form, but the consciousness continues and does not die, unlike the physical body. a nde/obe is often enough to prove that to an individual without the need for physical death, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're willing to re-formulate your world view much larger than it currently is. ;-) Quote
Guest DanWood Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:piq0f2hmicdht1867n7mtuoaqhq2ldcje5@4ax.com... > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee > <calee@optonline.net> wrote: > > It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me > some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed > Dan Wood. > This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we have a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers, connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers. Dan > > This explains a lot. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:01:48 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >news:piq0f2hmicdht1867n7mtuoaqhq2ldcje5@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee >> <calee@optonline.net> wrote: >> >> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me >> some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed >> Dan Wood. >> >This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we have >a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools >tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers, >connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers. Here's the message, with your signature. Return-path: <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J4M0030Q2QA5SE0@mstr2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for calee@optonline.net; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J4M004RZ2QAI030@mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for calee@optonline.net (ORCPT calee@optonline.net); Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([65.13.90.9]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060826152257.SAOI17119.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net> for <calee@optonline.net>; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:57 -0400 Received: from andromeda ([65.13.90.9]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060826152256.SPIM9470.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@andromeda> for <calee@optonline.net>; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:56 -0400 From: "R. D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> Subject: [sPAM] Re: Definition of God To: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> Message-id: <002001c6c923$81f20cc0$0201a8c0@andromeda> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <genre2ttjlsfegkq27vidfso7h2lsouho3@4ax.com> <TwlHg.1663$C6.659@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <p9qre2d5e8667o1q492qs7t29ubrjhnnb7@4ax.com> <fqnHg.3872$y7.42@bignews6.bellsouth.net> <nj1se2hjpvmltcb8ce1vjav1lergieften@4ax.com> <EarHg.2238$C6.1769@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <57gse295aiiqb5eibrg1gl10lubstqf22o@4ax.com> <WnuHg.15526$j8.15103@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com> <e1FHg.10018$L6.9373@bignews8.bellsouth.net> <u7h0f2dkd4205us0l3uv47rclo8st991a4@4ax.com> Original-recipient: rfc822;calee@optonline.net X-MSKTag: [sPAM] X-MSK: DNS=2 X-Agent-Received: from optonline (mail.optonline.net); Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:25:21 -0400 X-Agent-Junk-Probability: 0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> Newsgroups: alt.philosophy,sci.logic,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.religion Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Definition of God > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:52:56 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > > > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > >news:r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com... > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:46:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Dan, you haven't a shred of honesty. What do you imagine you achieve > >> by ignoring what you are told, > >> > >This is just it Chris. You presume to tell me how things are. > > I "presume" nothing, liar. This is the real world, not your religion - > where you have to back up claims instead of resorting to slanders > about those who ask the questions you beg. > > >You call it telling me facts, > > I was, liar. > This is your stock in trade. By calling someone a liar that is an all, be all end all for you. I read your responses to others it seems anyone who don't agree with you you call a liar. No further reasoning is necessary so far as you are concerned. It's your stock in trade. I refuse to deal with this any longer. Good bye, Dan Wood Quote
Guest Bob Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On 26 Aug 2006 16:17:35 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote: >>>> There is only one thing you can be certain about and that is your >>>> knowledge that you exist. Everything else is based on assumptions >>>> (called axioms in formal logic systems). >>>You can know death and taxes! >> Not with absolute certainty. >You admit our existence implicitly by discussing philosophy with us. If >you doubted the existence of everything but yourself, who could you >possibly be corresponding with? I did not say I doubt your existence. I said I cannot know you exist with absolute certainty. And there is nothing you can do to prove it to me, even though it is absolutely certain to you. -- I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Bob Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:26:47 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain, >>which has to be one of the most fucked up places on Earth. >Your religious bias is showing. You mean my political bias is showing. I can't have any religious bias because I do not subcribe to any religion. I am a Jesuitical Heathen Troll, which is about as far from being religious as you can get. Atheists are frauds so they don't count. -- I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Bob Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:47:00 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> wrote: > This cosmos is _all_ we can observe. >So we have direct empirical evidence of only the cosmos. >Everything else is pure supposition. Try telling that to productive physicists. -- I just neutered the cat - now he's French. Quote
Guest Enkidu Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote in news:44f080d8.70043265@news-server.houston.rr.com: > On 26 Aug 2006 16:17:35 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote: > >>>>> There is only one thing you can be certain about and that is your >>>>> knowledge that you exist. Everything else is based on assumptions >>>>> (called axioms in formal logic systems). > >>>>You can know death and taxes! > >>> Not with absolute certainty. > >>You admit our existence implicitly by discussing philosophy with us. >>If you doubted the existence of everything but yourself, who could you >>possibly be corresponding with? > > I did not say I doubt your existence. I said I cannot know you exist > with absolute certainty. And there is nothing you can do to prove it > to me, even though it is absolutely certain to you. Yeh? So what? This sort of speculation is fruitless. We accept the existance of the universe as an axiom because we must, not because we choose to. There is simply no alternative. -- Enkidu AA#2165 http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/ EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, ULC, Modesto, CA As a set of cognitive beliefs, religion is a speculative hypothesis of an extremely low order of probability. -- Sidney Hook, The Partisan Review, March 1950 Quote
Guest Lizz Holmans Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:21:23 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote: >Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain, >which has to be one of the most fucked up places on Earth. I'll bet my hat against the hole in a doughnut that you have not been conversant with British politics for the last 20 years. I've been a happy ex-pat for nine; I've met real commies (usually a humorless bunch). If you live Over Here, vote LibDem. If you're not, then your definitions of 'fucked up' are diametricly opposed to the more rational, less rabid 'social services.' Lizz 'in other words, wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong wrong' Holmans -- Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta Quote
Guest DanWood Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:7ov0f2tdap65vrqhkdvq1h6j9hretsuofo@4ax.com... > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:01:48 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > > > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > >news:piq0f2hmicdht1867n7mtuoaqhq2ldcje5@4ax.com... > >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee > >> <calee@optonline.net> wrote: > >> > >> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me > >> some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed > >> Dan Wood. > >> > >This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we have > >a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools > >tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers, > >connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers. > > Here's the message, with your signature. > It doesn't matter what you think. > > Return-path: <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> > Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net > (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net > (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) > with ESMTP id <0J4M0030Q2QA5SE0@mstr2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for > calee@optonline.net; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:59 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net > (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by > mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net > (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) > with ESMTP id <0J4M004RZ2QAI030@mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for > calee@optonline.net (ORCPT calee@optonline.net); Sat, > 26 Aug 2006 11:22:58 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([65.13.90.9]) > by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id > > <20060826152257.SAOI17119.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net > > for <calee@optonline.net>; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:57 -0400 > Received: from andromeda ([65.13.90.9]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with > SMTP id > <20060826152256.SPIM9470.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@andromeda> for > <calee@optonline.net>; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:56 -0400 > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:56 -0400 > From: "R. D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [sPAM] Re: Definition of God > To: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> > Message-id: <002001c6c923$81f20cc0$0201a8c0@andromeda> > MIME-version: 1.0 > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > References: <genre2ttjlsfegkq27vidfso7h2lsouho3@4ax.com> > <TwlHg.1663$C6.659@bignews1.bellsouth.net> > <p9qre2d5e8667o1q492qs7t29ubrjhnnb7@4ax.com> > <fqnHg.3872$y7.42@bignews6.bellsouth.net> > <nj1se2hjpvmltcb8ce1vjav1lergieften@4ax.com> > <EarHg.2238$C6.1769@bignews1.bellsouth.net> > <57gse295aiiqb5eibrg1gl10lubstqf22o@4ax.com> > <WnuHg.15526$j8.15103@bignews7.bellsouth.net> > <r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com> > <e1FHg.10018$L6.9373@bignews8.bellsouth.net> > <u7h0f2dkd4205us0l3uv47rclo8st991a4@4ax.com> > Original-recipient: rfc822;calee@optonline.net > X-MSKTag: [sPAM] > X-MSK: DNS=2 > X-Agent-Received: from optonline (mail.optonline.net); Sat, 26 Aug > 2006 11:25:21 -0400 > X-Agent-Junk-Probability: 0 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> > Newsgroups: > alt.philosophy,sci.logic,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.religion > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: Definition of God > > > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:52:56 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > > >news:r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com... > > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:46:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Dan, you haven't a shred of honesty. What do you imagine you achieve > > >> by ignoring what you are told, > > >> > > >This is just it Chris. You presume to tell me how things are. > > > > I "presume" nothing, liar. This is the real world, not your religion - > > where you have to back up claims instead of resorting to slanders > > about those who ask the questions you beg. > > > > >You call it telling me facts, > > > > I was, liar. > > > This is your stock in trade. By calling someone a liar that is an all, > be > all > end all for you. I read your responses to others it seems anyone who > don't > agree with you you call a liar. No further reasoning is necessary so > far as > you are concerned. > It's your stock in trade. I refuse to deal with this any longer. > > Good bye, > Dan Wood > Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:58:55 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >news:7ov0f2tdap65vrqhkdvq1h6j9hretsuofo@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:01:48 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >> >news:piq0f2hmicdht1867n7mtuoaqhq2ldcje5@4ax.com... >> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee >> >> <calee@optonline.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me >> >> some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed >> >> Dan Wood. >> >> >> >This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we have >> >a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools >> >tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers, >> >connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers. >> >> Here's the message, with your signature. >> >It doesn't matter what you think. It's not a matter of what "I think". dishnest trolling theist. >> Return-path: <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >> (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >> (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) >> with ESMTP id <0J4M0030Q2QA5SE0@mstr2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for >> calee@optonline.net; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:59 -0400 (EDT) >> Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net >> (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by >> mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >> (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) >> with ESMTP id <0J4M004RZ2QAI030@mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for >> calee@optonline.net (ORCPT calee@optonline.net); Sat, >> 26 Aug 2006 11:22:58 -0400 (EDT) >> Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([65.13.90.9]) >> by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id >> >> ><20060826152257.SAOI17119.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> for <calee@optonline.net>; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:57 -0400 >> Received: from andromeda ([65.13.90.9]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with >> SMTP id >> <20060826152256.SPIM9470.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@andromeda> for >> <calee@optonline.net>; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:56 -0400 >> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:56 -0400 >> From: "R. D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Subject: [sPAM] Re: Definition of God >> To: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> >> Message-id: <002001c6c923$81f20cc0$0201a8c0@andromeda> >> MIME-version: 1.0 >> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >> Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >> X-Priority: 3 >> X-MSMail-priority: Normal >> References: <genre2ttjlsfegkq27vidfso7h2lsouho3@4ax.com> >> <TwlHg.1663$C6.659@bignews1.bellsouth.net> >> <p9qre2d5e8667o1q492qs7t29ubrjhnnb7@4ax.com> >> <fqnHg.3872$y7.42@bignews6.bellsouth.net> >> <nj1se2hjpvmltcb8ce1vjav1lergieften@4ax.com> >> <EarHg.2238$C6.1769@bignews1.bellsouth.net> >> <57gse295aiiqb5eibrg1gl10lubstqf22o@4ax.com> >> <WnuHg.15526$j8.15103@bignews7.bellsouth.net> >> <r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com> >> <e1FHg.10018$L6.9373@bignews8.bellsouth.net> >> <u7h0f2dkd4205us0l3uv47rclo8st991a4@4ax.com> >> Original-recipient: rfc822;calee@optonline.net >> X-MSKTag: [sPAM] >> X-MSK: DNS=2 >> X-Agent-Received: from optonline (mail.optonline.net); Sat, 26 Aug >> 2006 11:25:21 -0400 >> X-Agent-Junk-Probability: 0 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> >> Newsgroups: >> alt.philosophy,sci.logic,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.religion >> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:28 AM >> Subject: Re: Definition of God >> >> >> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:52:56 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >> > >news:r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com... >> > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:46:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Dan, you haven't a shred of honesty. What do you imagine you achieve >> > >> by ignoring what you are told, >> > >> >> > >This is just it Chris. You presume to tell me how things are. >> > >> > I "presume" nothing, liar. This is the real world, not your religion - >> > where you have to back up claims instead of resorting to slanders >> > about those who ask the questions you beg. >> > >> > >You call it telling me facts, >> > >> > I was, liar. >> > >> This is your stock in trade. By calling someone a liar that is an all, >> be >> all >> end all for you. I read your responses to others it seems anyone who >> don't >> agree with you you call a liar. No further reasoning is necessary so >> far as >> you are concerned. >> It's your stock in trade. I refuse to deal with this any longer. >> >> Good bye, >> Dan Wood ^^^^^^^ Quote
Guest Michelle Malkin Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message news:44f1a2c7.652781@news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:03:42 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> > wrote: > >>I do agree with you that you are nothing but a troll. > > But I am not the usual troll. Sure you are. You think that by boasting about how 'unusual' you are that this makes you someone special? It doesn't. Most trolls really have very tiny egos and try to conceal this by telling people how wonderful they are. All this shows is that they need to puff themselves up in the eyes of those they are trying to bother. It also shows that their egos are nearly non- existent and they know it. Such trolls are desperate for attention. That's you. Did you choose the nym 'Free Lunch' because there is no such thing as you? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:15:33 GMT, in alt.atheism spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote in <44f08156.70169875@news-server.houston.rr.com>: >On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:26:47 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> >wrote: > >>>Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain, >>>which has to be one of the most fucked up places on Earth. > >>Your religious bias is showing. > >You mean my political bias is showing. > >I can't have any religious bias because I do not subcribe to any >religion. > >I am a Jesuitical Heathen Troll, which is about as far from being >religious as you can get. Atheists are frauds so they don't count. I chose my words intentionally. I do agree with you that you are nothing but a troll. Quote
Guest DanWood Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:q031f2hblv80i1dc5uptift4teeeel6ras@4ax.com... > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:58:55 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > > > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > >news:7ov0f2tdap65vrqhkdvq1h6j9hretsuofo@4ax.com... > >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:01:48 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > >> >news:piq0f2hmicdht1867n7mtuoaqhq2ldcje5@4ax.com... > >> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee > >> >> <calee@optonline.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me > >> >> some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed > >> >> Dan Wood. > >> >> > >> >This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we have > >> >a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools > >> >tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers, > >> >connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers. > >> > >> Here's the message, with your signature. > >> > >It doesn't matter what you think. > > It's not a matter of what "I think". dishnest trolling theist. > I'm rather new to this community. Someone set these computers up long before I moved here. I pay my dues so I'm allowed full access to these facilities including these computers. There are three computers one is for kid games only. There is 200 more than households able to use these recreational facilities. This is near Research Triangle Park in Raleigh-Durham N.C. Dan > > >> Return-path: <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net > >> (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net > >> (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) > >> with ESMTP id <0J4M0030Q2QA5SE0@mstr2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for > >> calee@optonline.net; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:59 -0400 (EDT) > >> Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net > >> (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by > >> mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net > >> (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) > >> with ESMTP id <0J4M004RZ2QAI030@mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for > >> calee@optonline.net (ORCPT calee@optonline.net); Sat, > >> 26 Aug 2006 11:22:58 -0400 (EDT) > >> Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([65.13.90.9]) > >> by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id > >> > >> > ><20060826152257.SAOI17119.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.ne t > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> > >> for <calee@optonline.net>; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:57 -0400 > >> Received: from andromeda ([65.13.90.9]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with > >> SMTP id > >> <20060826152256.SPIM9470.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@andromeda> for > >> <calee@optonline.net>; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:56 -0400 > >> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:22:56 -0400 > >> From: "R. D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> Subject: [sPAM] Re: Definition of God > >> To: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> > >> Message-id: <002001c6c923$81f20cc0$0201a8c0@andromeda> > >> MIME-version: 1.0 > >> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 > >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 > >> Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >> X-Priority: 3 > >> X-MSMail-priority: Normal > >> References: <genre2ttjlsfegkq27vidfso7h2lsouho3@4ax.com> > >> <TwlHg.1663$C6.659@bignews1.bellsouth.net> > >> <p9qre2d5e8667o1q492qs7t29ubrjhnnb7@4ax.com> > >> <fqnHg.3872$y7.42@bignews6.bellsouth.net> > >> <nj1se2hjpvmltcb8ce1vjav1lergieften@4ax.com> > >> <EarHg.2238$C6.1769@bignews1.bellsouth.net> > >> <57gse295aiiqb5eibrg1gl10lubstqf22o@4ax.com> > >> <WnuHg.15526$j8.15103@bignews7.bellsouth.net> > >> <r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com> > >> <e1FHg.10018$L6.9373@bignews8.bellsouth.net> > >> <u7h0f2dkd4205us0l3uv47rclo8st991a4@4ax.com> > >> Original-recipient: rfc822;calee@optonline.net > >> X-MSKTag: [sPAM] > >> X-MSK: DNS=2 > >> X-Agent-Received: from optonline (mail.optonline.net); Sat, 26 Aug > >> 2006 11:25:21 -0400 > >> X-Agent-Junk-Probability: 0 > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> > >> Newsgroups: > >> alt.philosophy,sci.logic,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.religion > >> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: Definition of God > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:52:56 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > >> > >news:r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com... > >> > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:46:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Dan, you haven't a shred of honesty. What do you imagine you achieve > >> > >> by ignoring what you are told, > >> > >> > >> > >This is just it Chris. You presume to tell me how things are. > >> > > >> > I "presume" nothing, liar. This is the real world, not your religion - > >> > where you have to back up claims instead of resorting to slanders > >> > about those who ask the questions you beg. > >> > > >> > >You call it telling me facts, > >> > > >> > I was, liar. > >> > > >> This is your stock in trade. By calling someone a liar that is an all, > >> be > >> all > >> end all for you. I read your responses to others it seems anyone who > >> don't > >> agree with you you call a liar. No further reasoning is necessary so > >> far as > >> you are concerned. > >> It's your stock in trade. I refuse to deal with this any longer. > >> > >> Good bye, > >> Dan Wood > ^^^^^^^ Quote
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