I say racism is dead!

[snafu]

Yes equality. Has nothing to do with him being Black,I really don't give a shiit that the guy is black. Would have probably voted Democrat even if that bitch Hilllary was the nominee. I believe in the right for EVERYONE in America to have a chance of becoming something, even those on welfare.. have a problem with that, please explain.....

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Have no problem with people on welfare becoming something of themselves. The problem is that giving them a little more money will not get them off of welfare. Welfare is an addiction. It's a life style.

[snafu]

Basically, your SS tax will go up if you make over 93K, something has to be done to shore up SS. Not the way I would do it, but I can't blame Obama for addressing a problem few are willing to touch. The main problem I see is still the 45% inheritance tax which will kill, or put deeply in debt, many small businesses plus will lead to capital outflow to friendlier nations. Three words--Swiss Bank Accounts. Of course, both candidates are going to mire us deeper in debt, McCain even worse than Obama. Whatever happened to the Goldwater wing of the Republican Party?

 

I don't understand this. Is this the 35% business tax already in place and Obama wants to increase?

[phreakwars]

Have no problem with people on welfare becoming something of themselves. The problem is that giving them a little more money will not get them off of welfare. Welfare is an addiction. It's a life style.

That is VERY racist. Hey bud, I lived on welfare myself, yet today, I have a very decent position in my life, are you scoffing at what I accomplished for myself because of my roots? I'm not following that "welfare addiction" stereotype.

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[snafu]

That is VERY racist. Hey bud, I lived on welfare myself, yet today, I old a very decent position in kmy life, are you scoffing at what I accomplished for myself?

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Nope... I'm proud of you.

 

My brother-in-law was on welfare too. He got off of it by working two jobs. If he didn't work two jobs he would've made more staying on welfare.

I'm not saying poor people don't get off their ass and work. I'm saying the majority of poor people don't get off their ass an work. Giving them more reasons not to work is not the way to do it.

[phreakwars]

Nope... I'm proud of you.

 

My brother-in-law was on welfare too. He got off of it by working two jobs. If he didn't work two jobs he would've made more staying on welfare.

I'm not saying poor people don't get off their ass and work. I'm saying the majority of poor people don't get off their ass an work. Giving them more reasons not to work is not the way to do it.

And that is where your "STEREOTYPING" about the Democrat party is way, way off. The guy who is running for president now, is focusing on the WORKING CLASS of people, not once has he EVER said ANYTHING about the "WELFARE" class except to say that they need to be given an opportunity to get the fukk off welfare and get a fukkin job. Would you rather invest in some azshole who sits on his azz all day collecting a fukkin government check, or some guy who is given money to fukkin educate himself and be somebody?

 

There really is no need to put a label of "SOCIALISM" on it, it's just common fukkin sense.

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[snafu]

And that is where your "STEREOTYPING" about the Democrat party is way, way off. The guy who is ruining for president now, is focusing on the WORKING CLASS of people, not once has he EVER said ANYTHING about the "WELFARE" class except to say that they need to be givin an opportunity to get the fukk off welfare and get a fukkin job. Would you rather invest in some azshole who sits on his azz all day collecting a fukkin government check, or some guy who is given money to fukkin educate himself and be somebody?

 

There really is no need to put a label of "SOCIALISM" on it, it's just common fukkin sense.

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No he hasn't because he's lying and deceitful. When asked these questions he diverts them. He's a liar and he's gonna tax the working class.

 

I'll make you a bet that in the first year as president (if he wins) Obama will advocate and vote to tax people making less than 100 grand a year.

 

We can just make it an "I told you so" bet.

[phreakwars]

No he hasn't because he's lying and deceitful. When asked these questions he diverts them. He's a liar and he's gonna tax the working class.

 

I'll make you a bet that in the first year as president (if he wins) Obama will advocate and vote to tax people making less than 100 grand a year.

 

We can just make it an "I told you so" bet.

Show me "PROOF" of his deceit.

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[eddo]

I hope you're right... This sh t's getting out of hand.. McCain would prolly launch nukes to "secure" an apple orchard..

 

 

You know, we are sociable creatures.. when did the idea of working together and cooperating become a fukking 4 letter word?

 

Together we stand, divided we fall ~ Pink Floyd among others I'm sure

 

 

Americans are completely not against helping each other. Look how much money was given to the red cross after Katrina. After Ike. After 9/11. etc,etc etc

 

Many Americans are, however, against the gov't forcing us to help each other, ie: putting everybody's money into a big pile and divvying it up equally. That, to me, is unacceptable.

[phreakwars]

Americans are completely not against helping each other. Look how much money was given to the red cross after Katrina. After Ike. After 9/11. etc,etc etc

 

Many Americans are, however, against the gov't forcing us to help each other, ie: putting everybody's money into a big pile and divvying it up equally. That, to me, is unacceptable.

Why?........................

 

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[snafu]

Show me "PROOF" of his deceit.

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When he's asked about his vote on 40,000 tax and up last year he will divert the subject. Never admits it. That's deceit. When he says he was sitting in a church listening to Rev Wright for 20 years and he never heard not one hate speech sermon, he's lying through his teeth! He goes to a church and admits he went at least 2 times a month for twenty ing years! Never heard not one hate speech. Next sunday nobody says "Dude you should'a heard the Rev last week". Bull !!

When he is asked about Bill Ayers he says he was an acquaintance from his neighbor hood. He's lying yet again.

[phreakwars]

When he's asked about his vote on 40,000 tax and up last year he will divert the subject. Never admits it. That's deceit. When he says he was sitting in a church listening to Rev Right for 20 years and he never heard not one hate speech sermon, he's lying through his teeth! He goes to a church and admits he went at least 2 times a month for twenty ing years! Never heard not one hate speech. Next sunday nobody says "Dude you should'a heard the Rev last week". Bull !!

When he is asked about Bill Ayers he says he was an acquaintance from his neighbor hood. He's lying yet again.

Do you REALLY believe that?

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[snafu]

When he's asked about his vote on 40,000 tax and up last year he will divert the subject. Never admits it. That's deceit. When he says he was sitting in a church listening to Rev Right for 20 years and he never heard not one hate speech sermon, he's lying through his teeth! He goes to a church and admits he went at least 2 times a month for twenty ing years! Never heard not one hate speech. Next sunday nobody says "Dude you should'a heard the Rev last week". Bull !!

When he is asked about Bill Ayers he says he was an acquaintance from his neighbor hood. He's lying yet again.

 

Do you REALLY believe that?

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Well yeah. Proof positive. How can you not?

[phreakwars]

Well yeah. Proof positive. How can you not?

What is the proof ?

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[hugo]

I don't understand this. Is this the 35% business tax already in place and Obama wants to increase?

 

No, it is the death tax. You die, the government takes 45% of everything over 5 million.

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

Well you know, it was Joe Biden who wanted to split Iraq up into three separate countries according to race and religion. Maybe that's in the works here.

 

If we separate people by race, then their can be no race riots, no interracial competition for the best jobs, no black on white rapes, assaults and murders.

 

One idea I read was that the orientals have the Far East as their residence- this would be agreeable to them I'm sure, as its pretty much theirs now, excluding Australia.

 

The whites would have Europe, Russia, The Middle East,The Americas and Australia, I think they would be happy with that, as thats pretty much how it is now.

 

The blacks could have Africa- a huge continent with much mineral wealth. They should be happy with that, but they wont be. Blacks will never voluntarily return there.

 

Despite Africa's vast potential, its the last place anyone would want to live. Murder,rape,corruption and starvation are pretty much the norm there. Also, there is no free health care, welfare and other handouts to be had.

 

It seems to me that Western politicians will soldier on with their multicultural agenda. despite the serious problems it creates. They will simply pretend not to see what they are responsible for.

 

It can as Fullauto says, only lead to conflict. And if the hour truly does produce the man, we can expect pogroms such as those witnessed in the 20th century.

[snafu]

No, it is the death tax. You die, the government takes 45% of everything over 5 million.

 

I ain't got 5 million.

So a business owner's spouse could lose the farm?

[ImWithStupid]

Show me "PROOF" of his deceit.

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He did spend $5 million to buy airtime, and used it in an attempt to mislead the country...

 

Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities

 

By CALVIN WOODWARD

 

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.

 

Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are - beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

 

A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

 

THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

 

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

 

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THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

 

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years - and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."

 

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THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

 

THE FACTS: His proposals - the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more - cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged - although not in his commercial - that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."

 

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THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

 

THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

 

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THE SPIN: "We are currently spending $10 billion a month in Iraq, when they have a $79 billion surplus. It seems to me that if we're going to be strong at home as well as strong abroad that we've got to look at bringing that war to a close." These lines in the ad were taken from a debate with McCain.

 

THE FACTS: Obama was once and very often definitive about getting combat troops out in 16 months (At times during the primaries, he promised to do so within a year). More recently, without backing away explicitly from the 16-month withdrawal pledge, he has talked of the need for flexibility. In the primaries, it would have been a jarring departure for him to have said merely that "we've got to look at" ending the war. As for Iraq's surplus, it's true that Iraq could end up with a surplus that large, but that hasn't happened yet.

 

My Way News - Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities

 

Just the most recent example anyway.

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[phreakwars]

That's proof?

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[atlantic]

You forgot that Mexicans work like machines with little to no pay and whites are paranoid panzi's..

 

Fullauto's hero... Ooooh.. big tough guy living in mommies basement.. I shudder in fear.. He reeks of respectability.

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We must secure idiotic skinheads in prison for life without the possibility of parole - The 14 words

 

 

So?

 

This, even if true, which of course are gross generalizations of human beings based on skin pigment, is a reason to hate people, Helter Skelter and seperation of races?

 

 

Please explain..

Whites are paranoid panzis? I have to disagree with this Wez. I have worked for over 20 years in corporate America for some top companies, and also worked at a school as an aide for awhile. Some experiences I'd like to share with you: Working for a mutual fund company I was friends with 2 black girls who were on my team. Everyday at lunch a group of hispanic girls would sit at the lunch table with us and bitch about how bad America was. They were also receiving housing (even though they had jobs) and benefits none of us got. finally, my friend Sonja who had also served in the Army told them "If you don't like it here, why don't you leave" . I couldn't get back to my office fast enough - lol.

 

School aide: I worked with 2 mexican girls who refused to use the walkie/talkies forcing the only other aide to do all their paperwork and running around. While they stood around and painted their toenails (no lie).

 

I have also worked with Mexican women and men who do work very hard. I've worked with white people who are lazy, and also some that work very hard.

 

So to state that all Mexicans work like machines is not true. Not all whites are paranoid. There is too much seperation in race/color. The fact is this. Either a person is a lazy ass whiner baby, or they work to get what they want.

[ImWithStupid]

That's proof?

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The question was...

 

Show me "PROOF" of his deceit.

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Since one definition of deceive is to give a false impression, I say yea, it is.

 

Is it any different than any other politician, other than the amount of money spent to try to deceive as many people as possible, no.

[atlantic]

Nope... I'm proud of you.

 

My brother-in-law was on welfare too. He got off of it by working two jobs. If he didn't work two jobs he would've made more staying on welfare.

I'm not saying poor people don't get off their ass and work. I'm saying the majority of poor people don't get off their ass an work. Giving them more reasons not to work is not the way to do it.

Welfare is supposed to be a helping hand, not a way of life. Unfortunately, too many people take advantage of the system. For example: alcoholics who recv checks for a disability? drug addicts?, and some of them keep having more children. I knew of a family who actually had 16 kids, and most of them are in constant trouble, yet they get checks. This is where the problem lies.

[wez]

Whites are paranoid panzis? I have to disagree with this Wez. I have worked for over 20 years in corporate America for some top companies, and also worked at a school as an aide for awhile. Some experiences I'd like to share with you: Working for a mutual fund company I was friends with 2 black girls who were on my team. Everyday at lunch a group of hispanic girls would sit at the lunch table with us and bitch about how bad America was. They were also receiving housing (even though they had jobs) and benefits none of us got. finally, my friend Sonja who had also served in the Army told them "If you don't like it here, why don't you leave" . I couldn't get back to my office fast enough - lol.

 

School aide: I worked with 2 mexican girls who refused to use the walkie/talkies forcing the only other aide to do all their paperwork and running around. While they stood around and painted their toenails (no lie).

 

I have also worked with Mexican women and men who do work very hard. I've worked with white people who are lazy, and also some that work very hard.

 

So to state that all Mexicans work like machines is not true. Not all whites are paranoid. There is too much seperation in race/color. The fact is this. Either a person is a lazy ass whiner baby, or they work to get what they want.

 

 

hahaha.. I know sweetie.. I was just being sarcastic adding typical stereotypes to Charlie Hitlers list of these..

 

I don't generalize people.. Cept for skinheads.. Who are white, paranoid panzi's

 

 

I'm white.. not paranoid.. and far from a panzi.. Don't smell like a wet dog either..

 

 

Posted by Fellacio

 

White people smell like wet dogs!

Japs have small dicks!

Nigs have low IQ's!

Natives drink to much ! ! !

 

 

Perhaps he should quit sucking Japs dicks if he's gonna complain about them..

[Anna Perenna]

Welfare is supposed to be a helping hand, not a way of life. Unfortunately, too many people take advantage of the system. For example: alcoholics who recv checks for a disability? drug addicts?, and some of them keep having more children. I knew of a family who actually had 16 kids, and most of them are in constant trouble, yet they get checks. This is where the problem lies.

 

I'm very left wing but even I get annoyed at people who take advantage of welfare.

 

In fact, I despise those families with too many kids whose parents spend all their welfare money on alcohol and cigarettes and spend their days swearing/screaming at their children. Pardon the generalisation, but these people do exist. And they're revolting.

 

Their disregard and self indulgence makes the system unfair for genuine disability pensioners like my mother, who is made to jump through hoops each year just to prove to the government that she is, indeed, disabled.

 

Last year, her interviewer actually asked her when she was expected to die. (As in: Wench, can you please hurry up and die so we can stop paying you your disability pension?)

 

He apologised before he asked it, but the fact remains that he asked it. She was in tears for days. And to top it all off, she would do anything to be able to work.

[wez]

I'm very left wing but even I get annoyed at people who take advantage of welfare.

 

In fact, I despise those families with too many kids whose parents spend all their welfare money on alcohol and cigarettes and spend their days swearing/screaming at their children. Pardon the generalisation, but these people do exist. And they're revolting.

 

Their disregard and self indulgence makes the system unfair for genuine disability pensioners like my mother, who is made to jump through hoops each year just to prove to the government that she is, indeed, disabled.

 

Last year, her interviewer actually asked her when she was expected to die. (As in: Wench, can you please hurry up and die so we can stop paying you your disability pension?)

 

He apologised before he asked it, but the fact remains that he asked it. She was in tears for days. And to top it all off, she would do anything to be able to work.

 

 

No doubt.. I called the cops on one such wondermom when I lived in Duluth in the early 90's who thought is was smart to lock her little boy in his room with one of those latch locks on the outside of the door and go party all night. Place was old and a tinderbox that could burn at any time being it was full of drunks who liked to smoke and pass out for recreation.Not to mention the state payed her B/F to "babysit", sold her food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar, lied about going to school and was pregnant again when I moved.

 

The worst part, the week before, I told her that I was always home, in the building next to hers, old huge houses converted to apts., and if she ever needed soneone to watch Devon to just bring him by and he could sleep at my place anytime. Never woulda asked, expected, or want to be paid.. then a few days later, there he is, locked in his dungeon as her and B/F partied the night away.. Cops weren't too happy, but in the end, it changed nothing. They used to lock him in there during the day while they were home too.. until someone knocked at the door.. Poor kid.

 

The only good thing was the welfare laws changed in the mid ninties.. wonder how she liked them apples..

 

 

btw.. sorry to hear about your mum. I hope she's doing well ...

[hugo]

Last year, her interviewer actually asked her when she was expected to die. (As in: Wench, can you please hurry up and die so we can stop paying you your disability pension?)

 

 

 

And I thought I was an asshole.