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[ImWithStupid]

Honestly, I have no idea what Obama proposes..and don't think it matters. Really, how much control does one man have over our economy? If anyone did/does it was the bubble man Greenspan and Ben Shalom.. Didn't see federal reserve officers on the ballot.. Don't remember voting for Hank (bailout) Paulson either.. Who the fukk are these bastard people?

 

Are you serious? He has total control. With the mandates of letting the Secretary of the Treasury control billions of dollars, the chairman of the Fed is appointed by the President, and the Dems in control of the House and Senate he has unlimited control.

[wez]

Are you serious? He has total control. With the mandates of letting the Secretary of the Treasury control billions of dollars, the chairman of the Fed is appointed by the President, and the Dems in control of the House and Senate he has unlimited control.

 

Doesn't control the federal reserve.. it's the opposite.

 

 

Now that we know the Federal Reserve is a privately owned, for-profit corporation, a natural question would be: who OWNS this company? Peter Kershaw provides the answer in "Economic Solutions" where he lists the ten primary shareholders in the Federal Reserve banking system.

 

1) The Rothschild Family - London 2) The Rothschild Family - Berlin 3) The Lazard Brothers - Paris 4) Israel Seiff - Italy 5) Kuhn-Loeb Company - Germany 6) The Warburgs - Amsterdam 7) The Warburgs - Hamburg 8) Lehman Brothers - New York 9) Goldman & Sachs - New York 10) The Rockefeller Family - New York

 

 

 

Must be nice to run the world on a whim.. Funny.. Hank Bailout was CEO of Goldman and left a lucrative private position for public service? Why?

 

Don't recall any Rothchilds on the ballot.. Or the Lazard brothers.. or any of these other bastard people..

[Old Salt]

Doesn't control the federal reserve.. it's the opposite.

IF he gets to name the head of the Fed, he'll nominate someone with ideas that echo his own. Congress does not nominate, they only approve.

[wez]

IF he gets to name the head of the Fed, he'll nominate someone with ideas that echo his own. Congress does not nominate, they only approve.

 

I think the owners of the Fed decide in the end.. or else

 

I added them to the last post of mine..

 

They own the printing presses, the world, and everything and everyone in it, or so they like to think.

[Old Salt]

I think the owners of the Fed decide in the end.. or else

 

I added them to the last post of mine..

 

They own the printing presses, the world, and everything and everyone in it, or so they like to think.

While I don't know about your quote without attribution, those families probably own Congress, too.

[ImWithStupid]

I think the owners of the Fed decide in the end.. or else

 

I added them to the last post of mine..

 

They own the printing presses, the world, and everything and everyone in it, or so they like to think.

 

The President gets to name the Federal Reserve Chairman. All that power in one man. Humm. I bet it turns out great.

[wez]

The President gets to name the Federal Reserve Chairman. All that power in one man. Humm. I bet it turns out great.

 

 

Then I guess the question is why our elected President "names" the chairman of a private company? Perhaps to give the illusion that it's a "federal" entity of the United States for the benifit of the people of the United States?

 

 

... Interesting read here from someone looking for the answer from Lou Dobbs.. Unfortunately, he makes sense..

 

 

 

 

It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

 

 

May I suggest that everyone who reads this message send a letter to Lou Dobbs, Mr. American Middle Class Champion, and ask him to explain exactly who owns the Federal Reserve and why we allow the Federal Reserve to continue to control our entire economy. Then ask him why he, and everyone else in the media, have refused to explain this to the American people.

 

As Lou says every day: It's time for answers!

 

Write to Lou Dobbs here:

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The real answer to this question is that the Federal Reserve is like a big Mafia loan shark. It owns our nation in the same way a loan shark owns his "clients!" There is absolutely no difference between the two.

 

No matter what the situation, whenever there is news related to the Federal Reserve a big, loud, coordinated, conspiratorial lie of omission is committed by every single news outlet in our nation. What is this lie? It is keeping up the false impression that the Federal Reserve is part of our government! The Fed is a private, for profit bank, that controls our government and economy. They control the money supply, inflation, depression, recessions, etc. They are not accountable to Congress, the executive branch or anyone in government.

 

The revolutionary war was started primarily to get away from a similar situation in England where the Bank of England held the same control over their nation. Revolutionaries realized this and they put an end to it. Unfortunately some traitors in the Senate reversed our true liberation and now we have a private bank controlling our personal financial status.

 

Let me ask you a simple question: what country in its right mind would create a system that would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST? What country would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it bankrupt because of interest? The answer is none! America is not charging itself interest on its debt, the privately owned central bankers are doing this and they are hiding in plain sight! Congress (with the exception of Ron Paul), every US president and every single member of the corporate media are either part of the conspiracy or just plain stupid!

 

 

Two presidents tried to stop this outrage, and they were both assassinated. Lincoln was set to bypass the central banks in order to finance the Civil War. The banks were going to charge him 24-36% interest on the loans. So Lincoln had Congress pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender. These treasury notes? would be used to finance the war. Lincoln wrote: "... (we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had - their own paper money to pay their own debts..." Now go and research the person who supposedly killed Lincoln and how he relates to bankers.

 

After Lincoln was assassinated Congress revoked the Greenback Law and enacted the National Banking Act. The national banks were to be privately owned and the national bank notes they issued were to be interest-bearing. The Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes.

 

John F. Kennedy was the next brave man to take on the Federal Reserve. On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy signed a Presidential Executive Order 11110. This order virtually stripped the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Government at interest. Kennedy declared the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. This order gave the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates against any silver in the treasury. This executive order still stands today. No president since has had the courage to invoke it for it would mean their demise. The US government is a front for the real controllers; the central bankers.

 

Debt keeps the central banks in control of the world. Nations that eliminate their debt end up on the hit list. When you see nations "liberated"? by the US or its allies what normally follows is a central bank extending loans to these liberated nations. The World Bank always comes to the rescue. What a joke this is like having a loan shark come to the rescue of someone who needs food money for his kids!

 

War is the single biggest money making business for the central bankers. Nations go into tremendous debt to finance war. Interestingly enough, but in no way surprising to those of us who know better, the architects of both Vietnam and the Iraq invasion both went on to become the head of the World Bank; Robert McNamara and Paul Wolfowitz. It is the central banks that push the world towards military conflict.

 

Look at your money; it say "Federal Reserve Note!"? It is not an American government currency backed by an asset. It is fiat currency backed by nothing. The Federal Reserve lends these notes to the government, with interest! What a scam! How do we permit this? Oh, I know, we permit this because most people don't know about it...thanks to the criminals in the media. For if the people knew, perhaps Henry Ford's words would ring true and we would indeed take to the streets to stop this crime!

 

The Federal Reserve is a private bank that owns the sole right to dictate monetary policy for our nation. As a matter of fact shortly after George W. Bush was placed in office by very powerful people, not by the electorate, the Federal Reserve announced that they would no longer report how much money was being printed. Imagine that! Well you don't have to imagine that because it happened, and your media did not tell you about it, and your Congress sat quiet. Americans let this happen because Americans are pretty much stupid people. They laugh at intelligent people as they dedicate themselves to being suckers who worship a little flag as opposed to a legitimate government.

 

This is the biggest scam and conspiracy on our planet and we must make this part of our daily discussion. Ask questions, and DEMAND answers!

 

Please start by writing to Lou Dobbs!

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Think about it!

 

 

REFERENCES:

 

 

THE MONEY MASTERS

THE SECRET BIRTH OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE

Money As Debt

 

UPDATE: Some people have commented that the president of the United States appoints the head of the Federal Reserve and that is proof that the Fed is indeed part of the government. Well people, the president does present his selection to Congress for approval...but that selection comes from a list of candidates given to him by the Federal Reserve!!! It's a show, people!

 

Kids...this is not a joke. It is also not a secret. It is public record...not a theory. The Fed is a private for profit bank that does not answer to Congress or the President and it is unconstitutional. It is another responsibility given to Congress by our Constitution that has been ignored or illegally assigned elsewhere by Congress; just as the power to declare war has been signed over to George W. Bush. Look it up...take a minute...this is a huge issue and one that should not be dismissed so quickly because you just became aware of it by reading a blog. Go do some homework. I did...now help me take back our nation! I am fighting for YOU! The least you can do is check your facts before you dismiss what I have written

 

http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/jesse-richards-commentary/19-jesses-thoughts/665-dear-lou-dobbs-who-owns-the-federal-reserve

[Old Salt]

And you didn't know the Fed wasn't a government agency? It's like Fanny and Freddie(maybe an over simplification) .

[wez]

And you didn't know the Fed wasn't a government agency? It's like Fanny and Freddie.

 

 

Yeah, I knew it wasn't.. apparently the President and Fed itself doesn't know..

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

I'd say our unemployment rate is higher than what they say...

 

This is a favourite trick in Blighty. I wouldn't believe anything a politician said. Its all lies.

[wez]

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[Old Salt]

Well..... Looks like AIG is getting another fistful of money.

 

They're talking about a bailout of the auto industry. I seem to remember a news item when GM and Chrysler were talking about a merger. It said that one of the companies (I can't remember which) had plenty of cash on hand to see them through for a while. WTF:confused:

[Old Salt]

The chief issues under discussion include how much cash Chrysler's owner, Cerberus Capital Management, would contribute to the merged entity and how much stock it would get in return, according to people briefed on the talks.

. . .

 

But people close to the merger talks said that Cerberus had proposed to contribute cash to GM-Chrysler in addition to the estimated $11 billion in reserves that Chrysler has on its books. In return, Cerberus would receive equity in the combined company and become a large shareholder.

{emphasis mine}

 

Cerberus's role crucial as GM-Chrysler merger talks continue - International Herald Tribune

[wez]

Well..... Looks like AIG is getting another fistful of money.

 

They're talking about a bailout of the auto industry. I seem to remember a news item when GM and Chrysler were talking about a merger. It said that one of the companies (I can't remember which) had plenty of cash on hand to see them through for a while. WTF:confused:

 

 

 

I'm sure Fanny Mac is gonna need another bucketful too..

 

Fannie posts $29B 3Q loss, $100B may not be enough- MSNBC Wire Services

 

 

No need to worry, Ben's on it.. as long as we don't run out of ink we'll be just great!

[ImWithStupid]

The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth

 

Peter Hitchens

 

Last updated at 5:57 PM on 10th November 2008

 

Anyone would think we had just elected a hip, skinny and youthful replacement for God, with a plan to modernise Heaven and Hell – or that at the very least John Lennon had come back from the dead.

 

The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation. At least Mandela-worship – its nearest equivalent – is focused on a man who actually did something.

 

I really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts.

 

It already has all the signs of such a thing. The newspapers which recorded Obama’s victory have become valuable relics. You may buy Obama picture books and Obama calendars and if there isn’t yet a children’s picture version of his story, there soon will be.

 

Proper books, recording his sordid associates, his cowardly voting record, his astonishingly militant commitment to unrestricted abortion and his blundering trip to Africa, are little-read and hard to find.

 

If you can believe that this undistinguished and conventionally Left-wing machine politician is a sort of secular saviour, then you can believe anything. He plainly doesn’t believe it himself. His cliche-stuffed, PC clunker of an acceptance speech suffered badly from nerves. It was what you would expect from someone who knew he’d promised too much and that from now on the easy bit was over.

 

He needn’t worry too much. From now on, the rough boys and girls of America’s Democratic Party apparatus, many recycled from Bill Clinton’s stained and crumpled entourage, will crowd round him, to collect the rich spoils of his victory and also tell him what to do, which is what he is used to.

 

Just look at his sermon by the shores of Lake Michigan. He really did talk about a ‘new dawn’, and a ‘timeless creed’ (which was ‘yes, we can’). He proclaimed that ‘change has come’. He revealed that, despite having edited the Harvard Law Review, he doesn’t know what ‘enormity’ means. He reached depths of oratorical drivel never even plumbed by our own Mr Blair, burbling about putting our hands on the arc of history (or was it the ark of history?) and bending it once more toward the hope of a better day (Don’t try this at home).

 

I am not making this up. No wonder that awful old hack Jesse Jackson sobbed as he watched. How he must wish he, too, could get away with this sort of stuff.

 

And it was interesting how the President-elect failed to lift his admiring audience by repeated – but rather hesitant – invocations of the brainless slogan he was forced by his minders to adopt against his will – ‘Yes, we can’. They were supposed to thunder ‘Yes, we can!’ back at him, but they just wouldn’t join in. No wonder. Yes we can what exactly? Go home and keep a close eye on the tax rate, is my advice. He’d have been better off bursting into ‘I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony’ which contains roughly the same message and might have attracted some valuable commercial sponsorship.

 

Perhaps, being a Chicago crowd, they knew some of the things that 52.5 per cent of America prefers not to know. They know Obama is the obedient servant of one of the most squalid and unshakeable political machines in America. They know that one of his alarmingly close associates, a state-subsidised slum landlord called Tony Rezko, has been convicted on fraud and corruption charges.

 

They also know the US is just as segregated as it was before Martin Luther King – in schools, streets, neighbourhoods, holidays, even in its TV-watching habits and its choice of fast-food joint. The difference is that it is now done by unspoken agreement rather than by law.

 

If Mr Obama’s election had threatened any of that, his feel-good white supporters would have scuttled off and voted for John McCain, or practically anyone. But it doesn’t. Mr Obama, thanks mainly to the now-departed grandmother he alternately praised as a saint and denounced as a racial bigot, has the huge advantages of an expensive private education. He did not have to grow up in the badlands of useless schools, shattered families and gangs which are the lot of so many young black men of his generation.

 

If the nonsensical claims made for this election were true, then every positive discrimination programme aimed at helping black people into jobs they otherwise wouldn’t get should be abandoned forthwith. Nothing of the kind will happen. On the contrary, there will probably be more of them.

 

And if those who voted for Obama were all proving their anti-racist nobility, that presumably means that those many millions who didn’t vote for him were proving themselves to be hopeless bigots. This is obviously untrue.

 

I was in Washington DC the night of the election. America’s beautiful capital has a sad secret. It is perhaps the most racially divided city in the world, with 15th Street – which runs due north from the White House – the unofficial frontier between black and white. But, like so much of America, it also now has a new division, and one which is in many ways much more important. I had attended an election-night party in a smart and liberal white area, but was staying the night less than a mile away on the edge of a suburb where Spanish is spoken as much as English, plus a smattering of tongues from such places as Ethiopia, Somalia and Afghanistan.

 

As I walked, I crossed another of Washington’s secret frontiers. There had been a few white people blowing car horns and shouting, as the result became clear. But among the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities, there was something like ecstasy.

 

They grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war. Forget the Cold War, or even the Iraq War. The United States, having for the most part a deeply conservative people, had until now just about stood out against many of the mistakes which have ruined so much of the rest of the world.

 

Suspicious of welfare addiction, feeble justice and high taxes, totally committed to preserving its own national sovereignty, unabashedly Christian in a world part secular and part Muslim, suspicious of the Great Global Warming panic, it was unique.

 

These strengths had been fading for some time, mainly due to poorly controlled mass immigration and to the march of political correctness. They had also been weakened by the failure of America’s conservative party – the Republicans – to fight on the cultural and moral fronts.

 

They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts. And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?

 

PETER HITCHENS: The night we waved goodbye to America...our last best hope on Earth | Mail Online