Palin leaves door open for possible Senate run

[Old Salt]

She's a new world order scum commie pig..

Don't hold back, wez. Tell us what you really think of her.

[wez]

Don't hold back, wez. Tell us what you really think of her.

 

hahahaha... I kid.. How the hell would I know?

 

 

I just tend to have a problem with "authority" in general.. Specially when they involve "God"..

[Old Salt]

So I've noticed.

[Anna Perenna]

I was just messin' around. The place was a bit dull so I thought I'd infuse some confrontation.

 

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Well, I was bored and felt like swearing

[ImWithStupid]

Well, I was bored and felt like swearing

 

Do kissing rabbits make you feel less like swearing, and more like happy?

[Anna Perenna]

Do kissing rabbits make you feel less like swearing, and more like happy?

 

Very much more like happy.

 

LOL. You knew that picture would get me.

[RoyalOrleans]

Do kissing rabbits make you feel less like swearing, and more like happy?

 

Kissing rabbits remind me that I have yet to et.

[Ahhlee]

Bunnies!!!!!!

 

Awww.

[snafu]

"To help Alaskans with high gas prices, she gave a one-time $1,200 tax rebate and repealed the state?s 8-cents-a-gallon gasoline tax for a year. The funds for these consumer rebates will come from a windfall profits tax she imposed on oil companies last year."

 

I call that socialism.

 

Well the 8 cents a gallon repeal can't be considered socialism but the winfall profits were the result of the oil companies inflating the price of gas. So it was givin back to the public.

 

How were the oil companies inflating the price of gas?

 

Although we drill and refine gas up here we pay some of the highest gas prices in the nation. Why would that be?

 

newsminer.com • Dual Alaska inquiries examine high gas prices

 

In 2006, the Republican majority in Congress granted Louisiana and other Gulf of Mexico states, 37.5% of the revenues from new offshore oil and gas leases. Alaska was specifically left out of this provision and has since lost out on more than $900 million in revenues from oil and gas leases in the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas.

 

Since 2006, Louisiana has received millions of dollars in revenues and expects to receive more than $40 billion over the next 50

 

 

So enough about fussy bunnies.

 

I would like your rebutle to this hugo.

[hugo]

So enough about fussy bunnies.

 

I would like your rebutle to this hugo.

 

#1) I don't like the concept of a windfall profits tax. It infers that corporations can make too much profit and therefore government must step in to redistribute the wealth.

 

#2) Giving every Alaskan a check, regardless of what they have contributed to the state's coffers, is philosophically akin to giving people who pay no taxes a tax cut. It is income redistribution. The money should have been spent on the proper functions of government such as roads and bridges and police forces and shooting wolves.

 

#3) I am sure, as many income redistribution programs are, that it was quite popular. Politicians are always running for reelection or the next position. Start handing out checks to people it is vote buying regardless if it is a Democrat or Republican doing it.

 

There is nothing wrong with states battling the federal government for their share of funds. It is sad they have to do so. Consumers are the ones who ultimately pay for most of the taxes imposed on oil companies

[snafu]

#1) I don't like the concept of a windfall profits tax. It infers that corporations can make too much profit and therefore government must step in to redistribute the wealth.

 

#2) Giving every Alaskan a check, regardless of what they have contributed to the state's coffers, is philosophically akin to giving people who pay no taxes a tax cut. It is income redistribution. The money should have been spent on the proper functions of government such as roads and bridges and police forces and shooting wolves.

 

#3) I am sure, as many income redistribution programs are, that it was quite popular. Politicians are always running for reelection or the next position. Start handing out checks to people it is vote buying regardless if it is a Democrat or Republican doing it.

 

There is nothing wrong with states battling the federal government for their share of funds. It is sad they have to do so. Consumers are the ones who ultimately pay for most of the taxes imposed on oil companies

 

Yes I agree with the the ill concept of the winfall tax. But the gready oil companies that get their product from this state (rape as some would say) should have compensated my state without government intervention as they had to do in the lower 48.

 

Theres a fine line when it comes to capitalism an socialism.

[hugo]

Yes I agree with the the ill concept of the winfall tax. But the gready oil companies that get their product from this state (rape as some would say) should have compensated my state without government intervention as they had to do in the lower 48.

 

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A]YouTube - Milton Friedman - Greed[/ame]

[snafu]

 

Yeah I saw that before. So it brings us back to socialism. A company can't sell a product to poor people. And the greedy could not have become rich without the poor society owning the land and taking advantage of that.

You wash my back and I was yours and everybody's clean. Now if I use my soap on your back but you use dirt whose cleaner?

 

Like it or not we are a socialistic society living in a capitalistic country.

 

So my Governor saw this and gave back to the owners of the land what they deserved. It was not redistribution.

[hugo]

Yeah I saw that before. So it brings us back to socialism. A company can't sell a product to poor people. And the greedy could not have become rich without the poor society owning the land and taking advantange of that.

You wash my back and I was yours and everybody's clean. Now if I use my soap on your back but you use dirt whose cleaner?

 

Like it or not we are a socialistic society living in a capitalistic country.

 

You have seen it at least twice now. You still do not comprehend it. What makes a scoiety rich and what creates a middle class is free market economies . When you subsidize sloth and failure you simply perpetuate poverty, and poverty's friends crime and drug abuse. not allieve it. When government redistributes wealth society is poorer for it.

[snafu]

You have seen it at least twice now. You still do not comprehend it. What makes a society rich and what creates a middle class is free market economies . When you subsidize sloth and failure you simply perpetuate poverty, and poverty's friends crime and drug abuse. not alive it. When government redistributes wealth society is poorer for it.

 

 

 

No I understand totally. We could not create wealth without free market. yes.

But you just double talked this in to oblivion. How can we do this , especially with an non reusable resource without government intervention? Without out guidelines? Without equability?

 

Can I go into your backyard, find oil, push you out of the way and create wealth for myself?

[wez]

You have seen it at least twice now. You still do not comprehend it. What makes a scoiety rich and what creates a middle class is free market economies . When you subsidize sloth and failure you simply perpetuate poverty, and poverty's friends crime and drug abuse. not allieve it. When government redistributes wealth society is poorer for it.

 

"Wealth" is not an infinite sustainable resource nor are the resources that create it and there has never in the history of the world been a free market economy.

 

 

I think we see where greed got us.. Hows your 401k/IRA looking? You appreciate the false statments, inflated profits, hidden debt, dishonesty and lies of the fine upstanding free market capitalists in the name of greed?

 

A real free market has crucial requirments.. honesty, fairness and total transparancy are non negotiable.. In a real free market, a bum on the street must have exactly the same rights and power as a "federal reserve".. You can keep the dream alive, I'm ditching it for reality.. Call it whatever ya want.. The worlds basically operated under the same bullsh t for centuries whether it's greedy capitalists masquarading under socialism, ie Russia/China, or greedy socialists masquarading under capitalism ie us.. Come from the same cesspool where greed, power and control are the objective. Call it whatever ya want.. words don't fool me..

 

 

At the basis of a true free market ideology.. Paris Hilton and little orphan Annie must start out exactly the same... Can't have that without true socialism where everyone ends the same .. It's a dilemma.

 

 

You telling me the Rockafellers and Kennedy's and every other multigenerational "success" has done so through the wonders of hard work and free markets? Little John John pull himself up by the bootstraps to afford the plane he crashed and the home on St. Martha's Vinyard he was flying to?

 

Time to face reality.. Perhaps a 100% inheritence tax is in order for a real "free market".. as well as laws forbidding the transer of wealth in any way, shape or form to other individuals.. Greed grows like bacteria.. And like I said, not an infinite supply to go around.. Money is an illusion.. How much is the last glass of fresh water on Earth worth?

[snafu]

Also did you notice Milton talking about China and Russia? He didn't say Conico and BP. He was talking countries.

[hugo]

No I understand totally. We could not create wealth without free market. yes.

But you just double talked this in to oblivion. How can we do this , especially with an non reusable resource without government intervention? Without out guidelines? Without equability?

 

Can I go into your backyard, find oil, push you out of the way and create wealth for myself?

 

 

The oil companies already pay lease fees to drill. The windfall profits tax is an additional expense. It is not the oil companies that are being greedy but the federal government that prevebts Alaska from receiving significant.revenue on leases.

 

Of course the primary problem remains the income redistribution which Palin engaged in. It is the same ideology as Barack's income tax cuts that includes individuals that pay no taxes. I am looking for a Barry Goldwater among the Republicans, not a GW in a dress.

[snafu]

The oil companies already pay lease fees to drill. The windfall profits tax is an additional expense. It is not the oil companies that are being greedy but the federal government that prevents Alaska from receiving significant.revenue on leases.

 

Of course the primary problem remains the income redistribution which Palin engaged in. It is the same ideology as Barack's income tax cuts that includes individuals that pay no taxes. I am looking for a Barry Goldwater among the Republicans, not a GW in a dress.

 

No it's not. I pay taxes and although those that do not and benefited by this gas relief plan was for Alaskans. We are the richest State in the union and the gas belongs to not only me, the tax payer but every Alaskan. Yet we pay the highest gas prices in the nation. She gave back to the people that needed to heat their homes this winter the revenue that yes we leased out. What's wrong with that? That is nothing like taking my tax dollar and handing it to someone who doesn't work and giving them an extra welfare check. Also you have to realize the oil industry has changed the way of life for many people who have no income. they survived by subsidizing. But then again you have government telling them how much they can hunt and limiting this. You make them poor and up root their total life style. How do you subsidizes this? Do you let them freeze and starve to death?

 

 

On that note we don't pay state taxes. That was revenue recived by the oil industry was handed back to the people.

[wez]

And another thing, who's got the right to grant the right to an oil company to have exclusive rights to drill oil? Who's got the right to grant the right to buy and sell a piece of land? Who has the right to grant ownership over land and resources? Where does that right to grant rights derive from? Threat of force? Big bad governments who expect a piece of the pie? All there is in the world are individual human beings, who for the most part, want and need the same things. Organized governments, corperations and religions are not living, breathing entities.. I can 100% guarantee you there is always individual human beings hiding behind the curtain pulling the or else levers.

 

Whatevahhhhhh..

[snafu]

And another thing, who's got the right to grant the right to an oil company to have exclusive rights to drill oil? Who's got the right to grant the right to buy and sell a piece of land? Who has the right to grant ownership over land and resources? Where does that right to grant rights derive from? Threat of force? Big bad governments who expect a piece of the pie? All there is in the world are individual human beings, who for the most part, want and need the same things. Organized governments, corperations and religions are not living, breathing entities.. I can 100% guarantee you there is always individual human beings hiding behind the curtain pulling the or else levers.

 

Whatevahhhhhh..

 

They do wez. The Native coporations made the deals and they are subsudized pretty well. They have free medical care (one of the finest hospitals in the state) and they invested there moneys to be pretty profitable. Most Alaskan Natives recive a check from the Native Regional Corp. But they rual villages still live in poverty.

[wez]

They do wez. The Native coporations made the deals and they are subsudized pretty well. They have free medical care (one of the finest hospitals in the state) and they invested there moneys to be pretty profitable. Most Alaskan Natives recive a check from the Native Regional Corp. But they rual villages still live in poverty.

 

And who granted "they" the right to make the deal in the first place? Where did their ownership of the resources derive from?

 

And I'm not just talking Alaska.. Talking planet Earth.

[wez]

Here's some more food for thought whilst I study broken bones..

 

 

 

Is it just a strange coincidence that practically every national politician is wealthy beyond anyones standards, and the ones who aren't is only because they haven't been there long enough? That fathers and sons named Bush are "leaders of the free world" in a span of less than 10 years?

 

 

Never knew public service was so lucritive.. Discuss amongst yourselves, I'm feeling veclempt...

[hugo]

But then again you have government telling them how much they can hunt and limiting this. You make them poor and up root their total life style. How do you subsidizes this? Do you let them freeze and starve to death?

 

 

 

Lenin would be proud of Palin. I don't think 1200 bucks will last long if you choose to remain unemployed since your subsistence hunting gig went away thanks to big government. It is amazing how government creates problems and the answer people come up with to the problems is more government.

[hugo]

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At the basis of a true free market ideology.. Paris Hilton and little orphan Annie must start out exactly the same... Can't have that without true socialism where everyone ends the same .. It's a dilemma.

 

 

 

False, a free market does not mean everyone is born with equal assets. You will always have your rich and your poor, your ugly and your beautiful, your geniuses and your morons. No one ever suggests good looking people should take an ugly pill, or geniuses should take a stupid pill to negate an advantage they were born with. Yet people think inheritors of wealth should be taxed to make things fair. I'll let Paris keep her money, Just give me Brad Pitt's looks. He has had them long enough to make his fortune.

 

Life ain't fair, government makes it less fair--Hugo