This Really Frightens Me

[ImWithStupid]

The opinion of the Dascle healthcare ideas that Obama wants to enact and are hidden in the economic stimulus bill...

 

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:

 

Commentary by Betsy McCaughey

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama?s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

 

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill?s health rules will affect ?every individual in the United States? (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

 

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and ?guide? your doctor?s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, ?Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.? According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and ?learn to operate less like solo practitioners.?

I don't think I want the Federal Government knowing all my medical records or deciding what kind of treatment my doctor can provide. I think that decision should be between me and my doctor.

 

In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the ?tough? decisions elected politicians won?t make.

 

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle?s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept ?hopeless diagnoses? and ?forgo experimental treatments,? and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

So, when you get sick, the government will tell you when it's time to give up and die.

 

It's even worse for you when you get older.

 

Elderly Hardest Hit

 

Daschle says health-care reform ?will not be pain free.? Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

 

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle?s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

 

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Bloomberg.com: News

 

Good-bye, United States of America. Hello, Euro-Socialist States of America.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

w...t...f.....??

 

how is this not front page news on every stand?

 

this is freaking terrifying...

[eddo]

w...t...f.....??

 

how is this not front page news on every stand?

 

this is freaking terrifying...

 

damn, yeah it is...

[snafu]

Once this kind of gets through and America wakes up, hopefully they will elect Republicans back into the Senate in the next two years. Then we can get crap like this over turned.

[wez]

Once this kind of gets through and America wakes up, hopefully they will elect Republicans back into the Senate in the next two years. Then we can get crap like this over turned.

 

 

 

hahahaha... you fukkers are nuts.. forget about the last 8 years? Ronnie (big government/smooth talker of the opposite) Reagan?

 

 

Quit being fooled by political labels.. and I'm the naive one? hahahaha

[ImWithStupid]

Where the hell is the ACLU or any other privacy group, on this one?

 

Same place they always are when it's a liberal secular progressive infringement on someones rights. Looking the other way, while whistling.

 

Waiting to fight the next law that calls for a moment of reflection in schools, even if it specifically says that students can use the time to do whatever they want.

[wez]

Where the hell is the ACLU or any other privacy group, on this one?

 

Same place they always are when it's a liberal secular progressive infringement on someones rights. Looking the other way, while whistling.

 

Waiting to fight the next law that calls for a moment of reflection in schools, even if it specifically says that students can use the time to do whatever they want.

 

Privacy? What's that?

 

 

R.I.P. Privacy

 

 

 

 

 

 

[phreakwars]

Oh my god this topic cracks me up.. You people have been listening to Rush again !!

 

This was a Rush talking point just the other day and is being spread around as propaganda on the republican sites.

 

The Republicans REALLY ARE the OBSTRUCTIONIST party.

 

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[phreakwars]

Yep, here it is:

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M1KRyEUpAs]YouTube - Health Provisions In Recovery Package Would Put Privacy At Risk[/ame]

 

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[ImWithStupid]

Oh my god this topic cracks me up.. You people have been listening to Rush again !!

 

This was a Rush talking point just the other day and is being spread around as propaganda on the republican sites.

 

The Republicans REALLY ARE the OBSTRUCTIONIST party.

 

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I don't listen to Rush.

 

I used google to try and find out what was still in the stimulus plan. I was looking for the abortion/contraceptive stuff to make fun of Nancy P. when I found this article.

 

If it's in Daschle's book on how he wants US healthcare to be and Obama wants to go along with what Daschle believes is right, how is that "propaganda"?

[phreakwars]

Yeah, you found a damn PLAGIARISM of RUSH !!

 

HAHAHA !!! :D:D:D

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[ImWithStupid]

Yeah, you found a damn PLAGIARISM of RUSH !!

 

HAHAHA !!! :D:D:D

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point one. You lied. It wasn't the other day, it was today. Point two, you're wrong. I just checked his website and he was using the same article I found in Bloomberg.

[phreakwars]

Ah he's using the same old tired OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY complaints to find something to bitch about, something meaningless. What was that you said in another post... WELL IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND, AND THE OTHER PARTY blah blah blah..... Same thing, if it was the other way around, do you really think REAL Republicans would give a damn about privacy issues in creating a database for medical records? It's the most idiotic, OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY complaint I have seen yet. It is painfully obvious if Obama and congress want to get anything done, they need to simply ignore the Republican party and all it's hot air complaints. Lucky for them, they have the majority and support from key reps on the obstructionist side to get it done.

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[ImWithStupid]

Ah he's using the same old tired OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY complaints to find something to bitch about, something meaningless. What was that you said in another post... WELL IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND, AND THE OTHER PARTY blah blah blah..... Same thing, if it was the other way around, do you really think REAL Republicans would give a damn about privacy issues in creating a database for medical records? It's the most idiotic, OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY complaint I have seen yet. It is painfully obvious if Obama and congress want to get anything done, they need to simply ignore the Republican party and all it's hot air complaints. Lucky for them, they have the majority and support from key reps on the obstructionist side to get it done.

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What about Daschle's plan to let the government decide if you are worthy of medical treatment, and what treatment you get from you doctor, should be something I should like?

 

It even threatens to fine doctors if they don't do what the government says.

[phreakwars]

Sounds good to me, make em distribute fair medical treatment.. Or what are you thinking? Something along the lines of Eugenic medicine?

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[ImWithStupid]

I have no issue with streamlining records and such, but they shouldn't be retained or controlled by a government office or have my healthcare decisions made by a beancounter who uses an actuarial chart to decide if me getting treatment has a positive benefit to the government over it's benefit to me.

[phreakwars]

Who says it would be government ran? He's saying it would be government trained.

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[ImWithStupid]

Who says it would be government ran? He's saying it would be government trained.

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The stimulus bill says it will be government ran...

 

(445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

 

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and ?guide? your doctor?s decisions (442, 446)

 

Those numbers are page numbers from HR 1.

 

Either you didn't bother to read what I posted, let alone the article, or you just want to argue.

[phreakwars]

What, a federal database scares you? Yeah, I guess that Republican plan is much more better... oh yeah, I forgot, they don't have one, the only plan they have is obstruct and complain.

 

EDIT: unless you count more tax cuts, which don't work and don't create jobs.

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[ImWithStupid]

What, a federal database scares you? Yeah, I guess that Republican plan is much more better... oh yeah, I forgot, they don't have one, the only plan they have is obstruct and complain.

 

EDIT: unless you count more tax cuts, which don't work and don't create jobs.

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Now who's sqwaking out the talking points that gets blurbed.

 

And as for tax cuts, it's amazing it worked for JFK, Reagan, and W.

 

You know what Hoover/FDR, Eisenhower, and Carter didn't try? Tax cuts.

[eddo]

What, a federal database scares you? Yeah, I guess that Republican plan is much more better... oh yeah, I forgot, they don't have one, the only plan they have is obstruct and complain.

 

EDIT: unless you count more tax cuts, which don't work and don't create jobs.

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So how is the federal medical database gonna create jobs?

 

How is giving Filipino WWII vets $9,000 going to create jobs?

 

How is giving money to a Frisbee course in Texas going to create jobs?

 

 

 

This stimulus plan isn't about creating jobs- it's about paying off favors and creating an America that depends more and more it's government for daily survival.

 

This is not good.

[snafu]

What, a federal database scares you? Yeah, I guess that Republican plan is much more better... oh yeah, I forgot, they don't have one, the only plan they have is obstruct and complain.

 

EDIT: unless you count more tax cuts, which don't work and don't create jobs.

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What the hell are you talking about? Why don't you try listing to other plans?

 

Speaking to Reuters, Arizona Senator McCain said the alternative plan would include what he described as "more effective tax cuts, such as a payroll tax cut" and spending on projects aimed at immediately creating jobs.

 

 

 

Sen. John McCain and other GOP leaders want hefty tax cuts in the package. That would put money more directly into the hands of Americans. As consumers, they would make choices on how to spend their money, rather than allowing the federal government to make that choice.

 

 

"We plan to make the case on a micro level that targeted tax relief and eliminating wasteful spending in any stimulus bill is the right way forward for America," said Brad Dayspring, a spokesman for House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican.

 

 

The Republican plan, which would reduce most income tax rates by 5 percent and cut taxes on small businesses by 20 percent, would benefit about 300,000 people and 1.9 million businesses in the district, according to estimates compiled by the NRCC.

 

 

Newsmax.com - McCain Crafting Stimulus Plan to Rival Obama's

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obama is talking about jobs that will not last for the long run. He wants to borrow the money also. You can't borrow your way out of this.

 

And I like Rush. He and Hanity sure have Obama's attention. He's more worried about Rush than the Senators. hahaha.

[snafu]

Spending money that we don't have for short term jobs will not get us out of a recession.

[ImWithStupid]

All you have to do is look at this...

 

We Are All Socialists Now

 

In many ways our economy already resembles a European one. As boomers age and spending grows, we will become even more French.

 

 

All of this is unfolding in an economy that can no longer be understood, even in passing, as the Great Society vs. the Gipper. Whether we like it or not?or even whether many people have thought much about it or not?the numbers clearly suggest that we are headed in a more European direction. A decade ago U.S. government spending was 34.3 percent of GDP, compared with 48.2 percent in the euro zone?a roughly 14-point gap, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. In 2010 U.S. spending is expected to be 39.9 percent of GDP, compared with 47.1 percent in the euro zone?a gap of less than 8 points. As entitlement spending rises over the next decade, we will become even more French.

We Are All Socialists Now | Newsweek Business | Newsweek.com

 

Newsweek and it's parent corporation, the Washington Post, a left leaning company, even admit that we are moving toward Euro-Socialism, and the nightmares that this type of healthcare brings with it.

[snafu]

Romney on Huckabee's plan for the economy. Speechology.

 

Come on Bender listen up!