hugo Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A]YouTube - Milton Friedman - Greed[/ame] 1 Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 I miss Milton, he was the greatest American of the 20th Century. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
RoyalOrleans Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 "In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" - Dosteovsky's 'Grand Inquisitor' The Grand Inquisitor at Wikisource Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
phreakwars Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 It appears that CNN is just as much of a left wing, hack, "news" agency as NBC, MSLSD, HuffPo, Daily Kos, CBS, etc... Shows that the tea parties aren't partisan like they want to portray, and totally defines and shines the light on the CNN agenda. Yep, everyone but FOX news has a liberal agenda, whatever that might be. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
phreakwars Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 I have a question about trickle down economics. If it's true that letting the rich have tax cuts creates jobs, that's fine, but how does it create demand? Oh look this guy is working now, I just gave him a job, now I'm gonna make him buy some shiit. OK fair enough, that works. But then what difference has that made with him buying something with a paycheck, .vs this same person buying it via a welfare check, which is basically the same money anyway. You don't gain a +1 to help you grow, you need demand to grow, not a different payment method Like say I created a new invention called the "BETTER THEN iPod" Just because I can hire 100 more people to make the units for me, doesn't mean the demand for my product goes up. I need people who first of all, WANT my product, and second HAVE THE MONEY for my product. So I'm confused, how does this trickle down let the rich set the pay rules and limits for themselves and the employees work anyway? . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
hugo Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 You have to produce an item before it can be consumed. A worker produces a non-worker does not. The more people not producing the lower the supply of goods, pretty simple.One of the easiest ways to understand economics is to look at things from the extremes. Assume two people are stranded on an island with enough resources to eek out a living if both individuals work 8 hours a day. Now assume one decides to sit on his lazy ass all day. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
RoyalOrleans Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 Just because I can hire 100 more people to make the units for me, doesn't mean the demand for my product goes up. I need people who first of all, WANT my product, and second HAVE THE MONEY for my product. This is a consumer discretionary product, which encompasses a lot of manufacturing (i.e. GM) and service related businesses (i.e. McDonalds). You can't make people purchase your little BETTER THEN iPod (Which I'm confused at your choice of grammar, because I'm thinking of Better Than Ezra the band.), but you can plant thoughts, provoke demand through advertising. Like the old saying, "You've got to spend money to make money.". So I'm confused, how does this trickle down let the rich set the pay rules and limits for themselves and the employees work anyway? . . The evil rich set the pay rules because they control the means of production. Ever work for a homeless man? Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
mercury Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 Ever work for a homeless man? Don't ALL of us who work, work for the homeless man, in essence? Quote
RoyalOrleans Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 Don't ALL of us who work, work for the homeless man, in essence? Very existential, Merc. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
ImWithStupid Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 The Mary Hamsher Moore Show Theme / opening credits Mary Hamsher Moore traipses whimsically through the streets of Washington with her macrame hat and bullhorn Who can turn your stomach with her bile? Who can hit a bullhorn switch, and suddenly bitch with a chipmunk smile? Well it's you girl and you should know it, With each fire and every little dog lake you show it. Hate is all around, no need to brew it, It's puffing up your cheeks, why don't you chew it? You're gonna spew it af-ter all, You're gonna spew it af-ter all (doo-doo doo doo.... DOOT!) Mary throws bullhorn into air, freeze frame Scene I: Inside the studios of Nutroots 13 MediaMattersActionCastNewsCenter MANAGING EDITOR LOU SOROS (on intercom): Mary! Mary Hamsher! My office, now. MARY (entering office warily): YOU WANTED TO SEE ME MR. SOROS? LOU: Put down the damn bullhorn! I can hear you, for crissakes! MARY: I ... I'm sorry Mr. Soros. LOU: Whatever. Say Mary... you're all over that internet thing. What do you know about these Tea Party protests? MARY: I don't know. I guess it's just a bunch of retarded wingnuts whining or something. I don't think they're anything worth worrying about. LOU: Nothing worth worrying about? There are 300 of those stupid protests scheduled for Tuesday! If they end up screwing up the next stimulus bill, I'm never going to short the currency markets. I need you to get to the bottom of this. MARY: Bottom of it? LOU: Come on Mary, don't be naive. We both know the money and professional staff and layers of front organizations it takes to build an authentic grassroots movement. Geez, just look at the good cash I've wasted on this dump. There's just gotta be some sort of conspiracy going on behind that Tea Party crap... like... MARY: ... like Fox News? LOU: Now you're thinking! I need you to get out there and spread that meme, and start up some counter protests. MARY: ... But why me? LOU: Because you have those chipmunk cheeks. And because you got spunk. MARY: Thank you Mr. Soros... LOU: I hate spunk! MARY: uh... LOU: But you also have that bullhorn. Now get out there and produce! MARY: Shouldn't this be a job for the anchorman? LOU: You mean Ted? (on intercom) Ted! Get in here. TED OLBERMANN: You wanted to see me Big Lou? Oh, hi Mar. I hope this is important, because you just interrupted my rehearsal for tonight's Countdown. Yes, I may be the new Edward R. Murrow, but it all started at a humble 50,000 watt basic cable sports network in Bristol, Connecticut... LOU (on intercom): Murray! HEAD WRITER MURRAY EMANUEL: Yes Lou? LOU: Take Ted back to rehearsals, and make sure he gets his meds. And for God's sake, get him a new blazer that isn't plaid! (to Mary) Now do you see what I mean? MARY: Okay, sir, but do you think I might get something out of this? LOU: Like what? MARY: Like some extra advertising revenue for my blog? LOU (glaring): MARY (warbling): Oh-h-h-hh Mi-st-er So-ros! LOU: Stop crying! I hate crying! You can have the revenue split on this ad. Commercial Break 1 GIRL #1: nice try, Instaputz. GIRL #2: Wingnuts are teh stupid! ANNCR: Hey girls! Tired of boring tea parties? Now you can be a bitter middle aged Hollywood blog activist just like Malibu Jane and friends-- with the Firedoglake action set! Dress up for a gala night at Laurie David's EDF fundraiser in your beautiful pink Prius... GIRL #1: Save the Earth! GIRL #2: It's pretty! ANNCR: ...or jet off to Sundance to meet Princess Arianna for a political strategy playdate! Malibu Jane and friends come with hundreds of accessories like blog laptop, Botox, and forgotten 1991 film credits! Plus hot flashes and pull-n-play bullhorn with real snarky gravitas action! MALIBU JANE: Faux News sucks. GIRL #1: Yay! I'm back on the A-list! ANNCR: And don't forget the Firedoglake hipster eunuch set -- with Ken, Alex, Ezra and Josh! KEN: I loved your last post, Jane. May I link it? ANNCR: Malibu Jane and friends, from Sorosco. Batteries sold separately. Scene 2: On the National Mall Mary is leading a massive national anti-anti-tax rally of six protesters [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR8l0YET668]YouTube - Liberal Tea Party: Epic Fail[/ame] MARY (into bullhorn): One two three four, America needs a New Way For. Ward. PROTESTERS: One two three four, America needs a New Way For. Ward. MARY(into bullhorn): Nine ten six five, Tea Baggers are just a bunch of phony populist Faux News wingnuts who are pissed off because they're not the ones stealing. PROTESTERS: Nine, seven... thirteen.... MARY (clapping): Come on everybody, that's the spirit! Take one of these preprinted picket signs and official chant sheet. I printed off 20,000 so there should be enough for everyone. Hey, where are you going? KID PROTESTER: This protest blows. You said there would be free XBox 360s, not these lame Gameboys. Come on mom, I want to go home. MOTHER PROTESTER: I'm sorry Mary, I know I said we'd stay until the cameras showed up, but it's cold and you know how fidgety kids get. KID PROTESTER 2: Mommy, the funny-tooth loud lady is scary. RHODA MADOW (holding bullhorn battery): Do something Mary! You're losing them! MARY: Wait! Wait! Please, don't leave! This is real grassroots activism in action! Come on, we can't let the Tea Baggers out-organize us! PROTESTER 1: Tea Baggers? Lady, we're getting drowned out by the friggin' UFO protesters. UFO PROTESTER 1: One two three four! Stop the intergalactic war! UFO PROTESTER 2: No tinfoil, no peace! MARY (turning up the bullhorn): Please, everyone! Look, I know you're a little disappointed by the turnout. But that just shows how dangerous Fox News is. Right now there are millions of your fellow protesters being held in illegal Fox News prisons for daring to speak out! We have to stay together in solidarity for them! SOUND F/X: screeeee-kkxrssszzzll-- zooooooop RHODA MADOW: Oh crap, the bullhorn shorted out! Mary, we have to go to plan B! MARY (yelling louder into broken bullhorn): Fox can jail our compatriots. They can sabotage our bullhorns. They can force David Geffen not to return my calls. But they can't stop the truth! At this very moment we are going to drop press kits that reveal the real conspiracy behind the Tea Bagger movement! sound of helicopter, as protesters look up warily. Cut to pit of chopper MURRAY EMANUEL: Can you get any lower? HELICOPTER PILOT: No dice, FAA regulations. MURRAY EMANUEL: Okay, then, orders are orders. Drop the payload. cut back to ground; Ted Olbermann stands with microphone and trenchcoat TED: Ladies and gentlemen, this is your reporter Ted Olbermann on the scene of a massive, organic protest by hundreds of thousands of ordinary Americans on the Washington Mall, raising their voices as one against the blatant astroturfing of the so-called 'Tea Bag protests... obviously engineered by Rush Limbaugh, Richard Mellon Scaiff and Sun Yung-Moon. As I speak, the crowd eagerly awaits an airdrop of talking points from a lone brave helicopter that has broken through Fox News' anti-aircraft fire. And here come the press kits, and they... what's this? Oh, the humanity! The press kits are hitting the ground... and the protesters... like wet bags of cement! Oh, this is terrible! The UFO protesters' tinfoil is useless against the onslaught! And... oh, my God... some poor woman is laying dazed in a crumpled pile of macrame, with a broken bullhorn at her side! What sort of demented Fox News sabotage is to blame for this disaster? Damn you, Bill O'Reilly! You, sir, are the Worst Person In The World! Scene 4: Back at the Studio Mary and Ted are standing in front of Lou's desk, battered and disheveled LOU: I just signed a $10,000 check for helicopter rental. And $100,000 to the National Park Service for clean up. Now I want somebody... anybody... to tell me what just happened. MARY: As God as my witness, Lou... I thought those talking points could fly. Roll Credits iowahawk: The Mary Hamsher Moore Show Quote
ImWithStupid Posted April 19, 2009 Posted April 19, 2009 Must be another of those right wing conservative, racist, Republican, Stocholm Syndrome, person... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsdZWSSSPXQ]YouTube - David Webb - Tea Party Organizers and Attendees are Redneck Racists[/ame] Oh, wait. I'm sure you all, "non racist" people will call this guy an "uncle tom" or having "stocholm Syndrom" You're the Racist. Quote
RoyalOrleans Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 You're the Racist. This is one you're going to have to get used to. For the next four years - possibly the next eight years - every single time someone disagrees with a word that Obama says, or every time someone doesn't jump when Obama says "frog;" every slight of Obama, no matter how obscure, will be called racism. Obama, you understand, is perfection. There is only one reason in the world that anyone would ever disagree with one word from this man. Only one reason why anyone would ever deny him anything; and that would simply be because Obama is black. This is going to get sooooooooo tiring. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
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