Should Cruelty to Animals posing as "Sport" be Banned?

[ImWithStupid]

The dog by teaching them that killing for "fun" is a good thing. And the innocent animals losing their lives in such a vicious, violent and pointless way. It also backfires when you teach your animals (and people) that being violent is okay when they hurt/kill those that you intent them not to.

 

In some peoples "opinion" homosexuality is wrong. And that's fine. But again, homosexuality alone isn't hurting anyone.

 

You obviously don't know much about hunting dogs or training dogs. Hunting dogs aren't violent. They aren't killing for "fun". They are acting on their instincts. They are trained for a specific purpose. Pointers and retrievers find or fetch things, usually birds sometimes small game. Hounds chase and corner, tree or kill things, usually small game but also larger game like deer, bear or boar. This doesn't make them violent. It's not a violent act to the dog.

[snafu]

Stupid working dogs...

 

Fierce Dogs Protect Livestock, Cheetahs In Africa

 

Again, this would serve a useful purpose.

 

You like to eat don't ya?

[Chi]

You like to eat don't ya?

 

Again, that would have a purpose. Killing just because, for "fun" is warped imo. You hunt and eat the meat right, Snafu? That's what you said. Not just because you like to kill.

[Chi]

In some peoples "opinion" homosexuality is wrong.

And that's fine. But again, homosexuality alone isn't hurting anyone.

 

You obviously don't know much about hunting dogs or training dogs. Hunting dogs aren't violent. They aren't killing for "fun". They are acting on their instincts. They are trained for a specific purpose. Pointers and retrievers find or fetch things, usually birds sometimes small game. Hounds chase and corner, tree or kill things, usually small game but also larger game like deer, bear or boar. This doesn't make them violent. It's not a violent act to the dog.

 

I'm talking about scenarios like the author used as examples. Dogs that are actually trained to kill, just because. Because people like to watch that and train their dogs to do that.

 

Or people that kill animals just to kill them and feel like a big man because they are killing animals with a weapon. Wow, that is so impressive...

[RoyalOrleans]

You like to eat don't ya?

 

You've got to be kidding me.

 

I wrap my sausage in bacon.

 

Domesticated dogs are at the disposal of man.

[Chi]

You've got to be kidding me.

 

I wrap my sausage in bacon.

 

TMI. What you do in the privacy of your bedroom is none of our business. I knew you loved bacon, but geesh..

[RoyalOrleans]

The only reason dogfighting in the United States is amoral (and amoral in the USA is usually illegal), is due to fact that it is conducted by insidious jackass criminals and there isn't a way to tax the earnings.

[mercury]

You've got to be kidding me.

 

I wrap my sausage in bacon.

 

Domesticated dogs are at the disposal of man.

 

you realize those are made from pigs, not dogs, right?

[ImWithStupid]

you realize those are made from pigs, not dogs, right?

 

 

Haven't you ever heard of bassett hound sausage?

[Guest EllenT34]

Interesting views. Nothing I have read so far persuades me that cruelly killing or torturing an animal is justified. People who get their kicks from cruelty posing as sport will come up with all sorts of excuses and defenses, but what all of it comes down to is: they enjoy inflicting pain and suffering, so they feel nobody should ask them to stop doing it. Of course, they wouldn't think of it as "sporting" if they were on the receiving end of such cruelty.

 

The main issue for me is the level of pain and suffering inflicted. If an animal dies instantly as a result of being targeted by a human, that is not as bad as inflicting a painful death on it.

 

Bloodsports are all about making the animal suffer. Without the cruelty these "sports" would be of no interest to people who who enjoy inflicting pain on animals. It's worth bearing in mind that wild animals have nervous systems...so they experience pain as surely as domestic animals, or humans, do.

 

You wouldn't let a gang of thrill-seekers into your home to torture the family cat or dog. Neither, I believe, should we allow such "sportspeople" to torture or cruelly abuse animals in other situations...whether it be dogfighting, foxhunting, bull fighting, hare coursing, or any of the other ingenious sickening ways mankind has devised to make animals suffer.

[phreakwars]

Now why does killing an animal have to be justified? No need to ramble on anymore, I'll just stick with that simple question.

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[ImWithStupid]

It's obvious that this entire thread wasn't at all posted to get other people's point of view.

 

It was a typical idealogue personality wanting to look down their nose at people who don't agree with them and marginalize them by labeling anyone who kills an animal for sport, as a blood thirsty, sadist that seeks out the desire to inflict pain.

 

Get past yourself, get a life, and look in the mirror sometime.

[phreakwars]

See, I thought this topic was about being CRUEL to animals. I think there is a huge difference between killing an animal, and being CRUEL to an animal.

 

It would be like if Snafu went out and shot himself a moose, I'd be like... right on man!!

 

But if he went out, shot the moose in the leg, let it limp around and took shot after shot at it with a .22 in non vital organs just to see how many bullets it took to bring it down... that would be cruel.

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[snafu]

I've never had the honor of taking the shot but not because I didn't try. My brothers always seem to have gotten shot. But your right Bender. I had a chance but he was to far away. I didn't want to risk a bad hit. We were in a canoe and we tried to get closer but every time we did the moose wandered further in. My luck he decides to jump in the lake and swim away to another one.

[snafu]

I do remember shooting a rabbit once in the gut. I was pretty young and was still learning. My brother had to wade out into the snow and ring its neck because it was squealing. When my brother got back to where we were he was swinging the rabbit at me and yelling " you ever do that again and I'm gonna make you eat it whole right here on the spot!" I learned don't take the shot unless you are sure of your target.

[Guest EllenT34]

It's obvious that this entire thread wasn't at all posted to get other people's point of view.

 

It was a typical idealogue personality wanting to look down their nose at people who don't agree with them and marginalize them by labeling anyone who kills an animal for sport, as a blood thirsty, sadist that seeks out the desire to inflict pain.

 

Get past yourself, get a life, and look in the mirror sometime.

 

I respect your view but I have to correct your assessment of me as someone who is motivated by some oddball need to "look down" on, or "marginalise" someone else.

 

I am concerned about cruelty to animals regardless of whether the people inflicting it are wealthy well-heeled foxhunters or people with no wealth at all...the issue here is the need to secure greater protection for animals from people who go out of their way to torture or cruelly kill or ill-treat them for "sport".

 

You ask me to "get a life". I already have one and it encompasses involvement in a number of campaigns aimed aimed at making the short humble lives of animals somewhat less unbearable than certain people are determined to make them via Fun-Cruelty.

 

I don't think that everyone who causes such deliberate pain and suffering to animals is necessarily a sadist. They may be unthinking, reckless individuals who just don't realise, or care about, what they are doing...or in deep denial about their actions.

 

I hope that postings such as this one may awaken in these people a spark of humanity as I don't believe that any human being is inherently evil.

[ImWithStupid]

 

I don't think that everyone who causes such deliberate pain and suffering to animals is necessarily a sadist. They may be unthinking, reckless individuals who just don't realise, or care about, what they are doing...or in deep denial about their actions.

 

 

Again, your post just reinforced my assessment of you trying to vilify or put in a lower class than yourself, people who don't share your opinion or point of view. You throw in a back handed remark, that people who don't agree with your point of view, must be "unthinking, reckless individuals".

 

Your opinion, is just that. An opinion. What you view as "cruel" may not be so to other people, or other cultures.

 

What is your opinion of wing shooting, waterfowl hunting, small or large game hunting?

[snafu]

I think she was talking about the fox and the hound kind of hunting. Or the let the deer out of the cage and shoot it kind.

[atlantic]

God takes care of those who take care of his animals and his children.

[Guest EllenT34]

Again, your post just reinforced my assessment of you trying to vilify or put in a lower class than yourself, people who don't share your opinion or point of view. You throw in a back handed remark, that people who don't agree with your point of view, must be "unthinking, reckless individuals".

 

Your opinion, is just that. An opinion. What you view as "cruel" may not be so to other people, or other cultures.

 

What is your opinion of wing shooting, waterfowl hunting, small or large game hunting?

 

With respect, my opposition to animal cruelty posing as "sport" in based on concern for the animal victims of the ill-treatment...it has nothing remotely got to do with "looking down" on anyone. I don't even think in terms of different "classes" of society.

 

This is something that apologists for animal cruelty/and/or recreational killing of animals frequently do...they divert the debate away from the cruelty issue and try to ascribe all sorts of wierd or nasty motives to people who oppose cruel practises. This approach may impress some. I see it as a purely diversionary tactic. It dances around the central issue, which is the infliction of unnecessary pain and suffering on animals for fun.

 

The criteria to be examined in my view when deciding whether a "sport" involving animals is acceptable or not is the level of unnecessary pain and suffering involved for these creatures.

 

Instant death from a single accurate shot is obviously more humane than torturing the animal or wounding it and leaving it to die from those those wounds.

 

But better than a clean single shot would be to leave the animal in peace...and instead shoot it with a camera. There is no need for "big or small" game hunting, any more than there is a "need" for bullies in the workplace or in the school yard.

[hugo]

But better than a clean single shot would be to leave the animal in peace...and instead shoot it with a camera. There is no need for "big or small" game hunting, any more than there is a "need" for bullies in the workplace or in the school yard.

 

First, in the 48 states there are no longer enough natural predators to keep the deer population under control. Secondly, it seems to me dying from a clean shot beats being eaten alive. Third point, no one pays landowners to sit in a tree stand with a Nikon, nor do the Nikon users pay state fees and licenses that help pay for wildlife management.

[RoyalOrleans]

But better than a clean single shot would be to leave the animal in peace...and instead shoot it with a camera. There is no need for "big or small" game hunting, any more than there is a "need" for bullies in the workplace or in the school yard.

 

Killing a deer with a camera seems a bit more cruel than a clean single shot from a rifle.

 

I mean, the camera doesn't "shoot" anything... it captures an image. You'd have to bludgeon the deer to the death with a camera.

[Jhony5]

You haven't seen sick hunting until you've seen pig sticking.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2pdsCniTn8&feature=related]YouTube - Knife Hunting Hogs with Dogs[/ame]

 

 

I'm an avid hunter, but this crap turns my stomach.

[RoyalOrleans]

You haven't seen sick hunting until you've seen pig sticking.

 

 

 

I'm an avid hunter, but this crap turns my stomach.

 

That's usually how I hunt polar bear.

[Jhony5]

That's usually how I hunt polar bear.

 

You are a real man. I mean, the hair on your chest has hair on its chest.