Guest NewsBot Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 CAIRO (AP) -- How do you count almost 40 million handwritten paper ballots in a matter of hours and declare a winner? That's a key question in Iran's disputed presidential election. International polling experts and Iran analysts said the speed of the vote count, coupled with a lack of detailed election data normally released by officials, was fueling suspicion around President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's landslide victory.... By JASON KEYSER Read the full story. Quote
RoyalOrleans Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 In the meantime ... what is our President saying? Has he really taken a side in this? You either support Ahmadinejad and tell the world that you believe his election was valid, or you express your doubts and thrown some moral support to the people of Iran who are protesting. So, PrezBO, which way is it? Then, on the other hand, you can just sit around and say nothing. That seems to be the tact. Obama's silence on the situation in Iran has been deafening. All we can get from the White House is the fact that the United States is "deeply troubled." Deeply troubled. Oh .. you mean like Americans are deeply troubled about your spending? Like Americans are deeply troubled that you're not running Government Motors? Oh .... I see. Well, Mr. President, when you feel like you can take a principled stand on this one just let us know. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
ImWithStupid Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 I was suspicious when Ahmadinejad claimed that he won with a one hundred and twelveteen percent margin of victory. Quote
phreakwars Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 In the meantime ... what is our President saying? Has he really taken a side in this? You either support Ahmadinejad and tell the world that you believe his election was valid, or you express your doubts and thrown some moral support to the people of Iran who are protesting. So, PrezBO, which way is it? Then, on the other hand, you can just sit around and say nothing. That seems to be the tact. Obama's silence on the situation in Iran has been deafening. All we can get from the White House is the fact that the United States is "deeply troubled." Deeply troubled. Oh .. you mean like Americans are deeply troubled about your spending? Like Americans are deeply troubled that you're not running Government Motors? Oh .... I see. Well, Mr. President, when you feel like you can take a principled stand on this one just let us know.So your saying the United States should say they support Mousvai or what his name is? Stick our nose where it doesn't belong? That is a bad idea on many levels. Oh I am sure Obama is rooting for Mousvai, but if he openly says that, this will lead to greater tentions with Iran if the people can't overthrow the dictator rule by re voting. You have to be insane to think the US should voice an opinion. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
Chopper Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 Who EVER trusted an arab ? QED Quote You know what? I don't care about you opinion. Go take a piss on an electric outlet
ImWithStupid Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 So your saying the United States should say they support Mousvai or what his name is? Stick our nose where it doesn't belong? That is a bad idea on many levels. Oh I am sure Obama is rooting for Mousvai, but if he openly says that, this will lead to greater tentions with Iran if the people can't overthrow the dictator rule by re voting. You have to be insane to think the US should voice an opinion. . . I agree. Now wouldn't be a time to openly take sides, although, I think the US should be more vocal about questions about the election. Quote
phreakwars Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 The best thing we can do here is let the Liberals overthrow the repressive Conservative government in Iran on their own. We all know it's true. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
ImWithStupid Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 The best thing we can do here is let the Liberals overthrow the repressive Conservative government in Iran on their own. We all know it's true. . . You mean the Theocracy that Jimmy Carter brought on? Quote
snafu Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 Obama called him in his statement as the supreme ruler of Iran. Pretty much tells you where he stands. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
RoyalOrleans Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 So your saying the United States should say they support Mousvai or what his name is? Stick our nose where it doesn't belong? That is a bad idea on many levels. Oh I am sure Obama is rooting for Mousvai, but if he openly says that, this will lead to greater tentions with Iran if the people can't overthrow the dictator rule by re voting. You have to be insane to think the US should voice an opinion. . . Call me insane then. Say something. Anything other than accepting it and moving on. Obama tries to stay majestically fukken neutral on everything. He's Sweden in a suit! Even Bill Clinton would say something to the contrary of what transpired in Iran. Why can't Obama come out and say something like "Well... I condemn it."? It doesn't mean that we are launching all out war with Iran or sending emissaries over there to oversee the supposed recounts. Then again... it doesn't change the Supreme Leader Khameni. It only changes their domestic policies and economic priorities and I would argue even that is limited by their Parliament. President BO can hold out his hand all that he wants, it's up to the Ayatolla as to whether it gets slapped or caressed. And........ that is what is majestically wrong with Iran. Ruled by a theocracy. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
Chi Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 In the meantime ... what is our President saying? Has he really taken a side in this? You either support Ahmadinejad and tell the world that you believe his election was valid, or you express your doubts and thrown some moral support to the people of Iran who are protesting. So, PrezBO, which way is it? Then, on the other hand, you can just sit around and say nothing. That seems to be the tact. Obama's silence on the situation in Iran has been deafening. All we can get from the White House is the fact that the United States is "deeply troubled." Deeply troubled. Oh .. you mean like Americans are deeply troubled about your spending? Like Americans are deeply troubled that you're not running Government Motors? Oh .... I see. Well, Mr. President, when you feel like you can take a principled stand on this one just let us know. It's none of our damn business, we have enough problems of our own right now. That's what got us wasting all of that time & money in Iraq. Let countries deal with their own problems and rule how they want, we don't need to butt in, in everything everyone does. We can only spread ourselves so thin. We, as a country, have to deal with other countries diplomatically. Letting everyone know exactly what we think of them at every turn when it's none of our concern, is only a fast way to make enemies unecessarily. Just look at North Korea, all their talking is only going to accomplish that they get their nuclear missiles and plutonium shoved far up their ass. Quote
RoyalOrleans Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 It's none of our damn business, we have enough problems of our own right now. That's what got us wasting all of that time & money in Iraq. Let countries deal with their own problems and rule how they want, we don't need to butt in, in everything everyone does. We can only spread ourselves so thin. We, as a country, have to deal with other countries diplomatically. Letting everyone know exactly what we think of them at every turn when it's none of our concern, is only a fast way to make enemies unecessarily. Just look at North Korea, all their talking is only going to accomplish that they get their nuclear missiles and plutonium shoved far up their ass. Wow... its like deja vu all over again. This must be a favorite resonse of yours, Chi, because no matter the situation is with a foreign power this seems to be your "cookie cutter" answer. Obama's Iran Abdication Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
snafu Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 We should try to respect other countries sovereignty only if it does not affect our security or the oppression of other people. In this case it would be safe to say it does affect our security. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
Chi Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 Wow... its like deja vu all over again. This must be a favorite resonse of yours, Chi, because no matter the situation is with a foreign power this seems to be your "cookie cutter" answer. Obama's Iran Abdication Deja vu, cookie cutter answer, whatever you want to call it, I'm sorry that you see it that way, but that's my view on the situation. It's still reckless and dumb to meddle in other's affairs unecessarily. Tell me, how would you like it if other countries were protesting about how we handle our elections and that they talk crap about it and demand a recount for us? Say back when Bush Jr. got elected or re-elected? Quote
Chi Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 In this case it would be safe to say it does affect our security. How so? Even if that were a fact, we still can't dictate who other countries elect, how they handle their elections, how corrupt their governments are, etc.? We can't control everything, even if we wanted to. Quote
Chi Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 "Jun 17, 2:35 PM EDT Latest News White House disputes meddling charge by Iran WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House is shrugging off complaints from Iran that the United States has meddled in its affairs. Spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday that President Barack Obama has struck the right tone in commenting about Iran's presidential election dispute in Iran. The Iranian government reportedly has summoned the Swiss ambassador, who represents U.S. interests in Iran, to complain about American interference. Gibbs said Obama has been clear that there is "a vigorous debate in Iran, between Iranians, about their leadership." Gibbs said Obama stands by his defense of principles such as the right of people to demonstrate in peace." There we have it, ladies and gentlemen^^^^ If they are talking now and complaining, just imagine if we would have really meddled in their business. That's why so many countries hate us, because we butt in and try to shove our democracy and ways of doing things too much. In the same token, other countries should stop involving us and stop asking for aid from us so much. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 "Jun 17, 2:35 PM EDT Latest News White House disputes meddling charge by Iran WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House is shrugging off complaints from Iran that the United States has meddled in its affairs. Spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday that President Barack Obama has struck the right tone in commenting about Iran's presidential election dispute in Iran. The Iranian government reportedly has summoned the Swiss ambassador, who represents U.S. interests in Iran, to complain about American interference. Gibbs said Obama has been clear that there is "a vigorous debate in Iran, between Iranians, about their leadership." Gibbs said Obama stands by his defense of principles such as the right of people to demonstrate in peace." There we have it, ladies and gentlemen^^^^ If they are talking now and complaining, just imagine if we would have really meddled in their business. That's why so many countries hate us, because we butt in and try to shove our democracy and ways of doing things too much. In the same token, other countries should stop involving us and stop asking for aid from us so much. I don't think any of us said we should meddle. There's nothing wrong with giving an opinion about the events that are happening. Nobody said we should call for a UN inspector or anything. I'm starting to take Chopper's side. Settle down, ChiaPet. Quote
snafu Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 We should try to respect other countries sovereignty only if it does not affect our security or the oppression of other people. In this case it would be safe to say it does affect our security. How so? Even if that were a fact, we still can't dictate who other countries elect, how they handle their elections, how corrupt their governments are, etc.? We can't control everything, even if we wanted to. Well both sides of the ticket here still wants position of the bomb and hates us so your right in that it almost doesn't matter. But it is a volatile country that we may need to strike. Having someone in power there that isn't as itchy on the trigger might help us. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
RoyalOrleans Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Deja vu, cookie cutter answer, whatever you want to call it, I'm sorry that you see it that way, but that's my view on the situation. It's still reckless and dumb to meddle in other's affairs unecessarily. To echo IWS... the point that I am laboring to make (as some of you are unable to see the forest for all the fukken trees), is we don't have to mass forces at the borders and ready an invasion of the country. Simply declare an opinion on the matter. Show the American people that he actually has some grit. Like the fury Obama unleashed upon that fly. Tell me, how would you like it if other countries were protesting about how we handle our elections and that they talk crap about it and demand a recount for us? Say back when Bush Jr. got elected or re-elected? Ohhh... please. If you want to talk about stealing elections, let's talk about ACORN and their fukken ethics. As for other countries protesting and demand a recount of elections... they are most certainly entitled to their opinion! Opinion, Chi. A fukken opinion. Look up the definition. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
RoyalOrleans Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 There we have it' date=' ladies and gentlemen^^^^ If they are talking now and complaining, just imagine if we would have [i']really[/i"] meddled in their business. That's why so many countries hate us, because we butt in and try to shove our democracy and ways of doing things too much. In the same token, other countries should stop involving us and stop asking for aid from us so much. Again, Chi, you fail to see the difference between MEDDLING and declaring an OPINION. Jesus Christ! You loopy broad. Look up the definition. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
Chi Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Again, Chi, you fail to see the difference between MEDDLING and declaring an OPINION. Jesus Christ! You loopy broad. Look up the definition. RO- Example: When people, let's say a mother-in-law, is constantly giving her negative "opinions" to her daughter about you and how to handle you, she is meddling in your marriage is she not? For your sake, RO: Main Entry: med?dle Pronunciation: \ˈme-dəl\ Function: intransitive verb Inflected Form(s): med?dled; med?dling \ˈmed-liŋ, ˈme-dəl-iŋ\ Etymology: Middle English medlen, from Anglo-French mesler, medler, from Vulgar Latin misculare, from Latin miscēre to mix ? more at mix Date: 14th century : to interest oneself in what is not one's concern : interfere without right or propriety Main Entry: opin?ion Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpin-yən\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin opinion-, opinio, from opinari Date: 14th century 1 a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b: approval, esteem 2 a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b: a generally held view 3 a: a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b: the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based Opinion and meddling can go hand in hand, in some situations, sweety. In this case, you are walking that fine line. Quote
Chi Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Simply declare an opinion on the matter. Show the American people that he actually has some grit. Why? Who do we have to impress? That is just silly and again, UNECESSARY. A lot of people who lack are the ones who boast the most to compensate. Quote
Chi Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I don't think any of us said we should meddle. There's nothing wrong with giving an opinion about the events that are happening. Nobody said we should call for a UN inspector or anything. I'm starting to take Chopper's side. Settle down, ChiaPet. That's MS. ChiaPet to you, Mister!! Quote
RoyalOrleans Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 RO- Example: When people, let's say a mother-in-law, is constantly giving her negative "opinions" to her daughter about you and how to handle you, she is meddling in your marriage is she not? It is only meddling if the daughter acts upon the opinions of the mother. Opinion and meddling can go hand in hand, in some situations, sweety. In this case, you are walking that fine line. Opinion becomes meddling when said opinions are expressed with action. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
RoyalOrleans Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Why? Who do we have to impress? That is just silly and again, UNECESSARY. A lot of people who lack are the ones who boast the most to compensate. His dead fukken grandmother. More often than not, those who lack lethally fukken riddled with stupid. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
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