Fighting teen pregnancy

[ImWithStupid]

A job is simply a responsibility you chose to take on or have to take on. Since you are stuck on the word so much - Is it not my job to take care of my kids, raise them right, provide for them, etc.? Isn't that my job as a parent?

 

 

No. That's your responsibility as a parent.

[wez]

This is my whole point. If they are your kids you aren't babysitting.

 

If you're raising your kids as a parent, it isn't a job, it may be work, hard work, but it isn't a job.

 

Something that is your normal responsibility isn't a job.

 

What you do for employment is a job, because you get compensated to provide a service or perform a task for compensation.

 

 

Okay.. and that has what to do with the price of eggs in China? hahahaha

 

 

Compensation? Isn't that like using a wheelchair to "compensate" for not having any legs because obviously economics are the farthest thing from this thread I derailed..

 

 

I made you a dictionary post for word semantics.. use it..

[Chi]

No. That's your responsibility as a parent.

 

I give up. Whatever, IWS. But I am SURE you have used the word 'job' instead of 'responsibility' before when referring to your duties as a father, son, brother, husband/bf, whatever (non-paying duties.) We all have. But I digress...

[wez]

How the frack does this apply to parenting and pregnancy?

 

It's obvious, you were doing nothing but derail, to try and make some kind of communist, idealogue point.

 

I made you a thread to preach of the evils of capitalism. Use it.

 

 

People made comments about spending money to prevent pregnancies so they didn't have to spend money to help young mothers support children..

 

It applies as to what we supposedly "value" as a society and motherhood/parenting comes in a shade below burger flipper because at least they make a little money.. Doesn't need to be so tough to raise a child.. lots of it is man made and directly relates to money..

 

 

We can go back to arguing words now if ya want.. Sorry to muck up your enlightening revelations that parenting should not be called a job but work is ok and watching your own kids is or isn't babysitting..

[ImWithStupid]

People made comments about spending money to prevent pregnancies so they didn't have to spend money to help young mothers support children..

 

It applies as to what we supposedly "value" as a society and motherhood/parenting comes in a shade below burger flipper because at least they make a little money.. Doesn't need to be so tough to raise a child.. lots of it is man made and directly relates to money..

 

 

We can go back to arguing words now if ya want.. Sorry to muck up your enlightening revelations that parenting should not be called a job but work is ok and watching your own kids is or isn't babysitting..

 

 

whatever. I don't give a . preach about the evils of capitalism all you want.

 

We need to kill all the poor, old, sick, leeches of society and feeble to make things better.

 

Wow. I feel like a communist or secular progressive!

[wez]

whatever. I don't give a . preach about the evils of capitalism all you want.

 

We need to kill all the poor, old, sick, leeches of society and feeble to make things better.

 

Wow. I feel like a communist or secular progressive!

 

hahahahaha... that's what I was doing.. I'm a commie.. call homeland security..

[hugo]

Better yet, let's scratch this expensive, silly plan AND welfare. Those who are responsible for themselves and their actions, will thrive and advance in life. Those who aren't will learn to the hard way or will end up in prison, be homeless and starve to death. Survival of the fittest and cleaning of the gene pool all in one!

 

Are you sure you voted for Obama? Ya don't need to go back to Hispan. Ya sound like a real American.

[Ahhlee]

Ali,

 

it is still more cost effective to not have the girls get pregnant, all at once or spread out you still see that 119 babies cost $27 mil while the prevention is $1 mil, that is a no brainer in my book.

 

Why save a mil and then just let these girls cost the Government $27 mil down the road?

 

I still think the money could be used to reach more teens/young adults.

 

I am glad I didn't say that and can just get away with agreeing with you, lol.

 

There are two very big things I believe most women hate about Sarah, one is she is hot, very hot, way too hot and she makes them look bad because if Sarah can still look hot after several children, all women have the same ability, they just lack the motivation.

 

 

Second is she does not support abortion and abortion is the blind banner topic for a lot of women groups, for them if your not a supporter of abortion, they will hate you no matter how many other great qualities you may possess.

 

 

WHY, WHY, WHY does it always have to come down to looks with Palin????? Jesus Christ, can't a woman choose to support or not support her based on her overall political platform...a platform BEYOND her appearance and stance on abortion? To suggest that MOST (you said it, not me) women hate Palin based on petty jealousy is absolutely insulting and sexist.

 

Obama is an attractive man. I bet some of you fellows here didn't vote for him because he's hot and likely well endowed since he's black. I'm sure Obama's good looks and epic weiner make the rest of you shmucks look bad so you refused to vote for him, right? Ohhhhhh....you didn't vote for him because you don't agree with him politically, not because you're jealous of his stunning physical attributes. Men would never be that petty and unreasonable!

 

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, stop pushing your shallow, limited scope on the rest of us. We're not all so short sighted.

[ImWithStupid]

 

Obama is an attractive man. I bet some of you fellows here didn't vote for him because he's hot and likely well endowed since he's black. I'm sure Obama's good looks and epic weiner make the rest of you shmucks look bad so you refused to vote for him, right? Ohhhhhh....you didn't vote for him because you don't agree with him politically, not because you're jealous of his stunning physical attributes. Men would never be that petty and unreasonable!

 

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, stop pushing your shallow, limited scope on the rest of us. We're not all so short sighted.

 

Nope. It's a proven fact that women often detest other women because they feel they are physically inferior to them, more often then men compare other men in power to themselves.

 

Women are way more superficial than men when it comes to those in power by gender.

[timesjoke]

I still think the money could be used to reach more teens/young adults.

 

But it would cost more to let these girls get pregnant, this is my point. We should be trying to prevent unwanted pregnancies is my point and so far, this is the only program I have heard of that has been successful for high risk girls.

 

Everything else has failed, why not give prevention a chance?

 

 

WHY, WHY, WHY does it always have to come down to looks with Palin????? Jesus Christ, can't a woman choose to support or not support her based on her overall political platform...a platform BEYOND her appearance and stance on abortion? To suggest that MOST (you said it, not me) women hate Palin based on petty jealousy is absolutely insulting and sexist.

 

 

And true most of the time. I have made a big part of my life dedicated to watching how people behave. The first thing a woman does when she walks into a room like at a party or bar is too look around the room very carefully.......but she is not checking out the men as a man would look at the woman......nope, she is doing a threat assessment of the other women in the room.

 

I am not saying it is all the woman's fault, in many ways they are raised to be in constant competition with other women over their looks and the media and stores have all banded together to exploit and expand this mentality in women in every way possible.

 

 

Obama is an attractive man. I bet some of you fellows here didn't vote for him because he's hot and likely well endowed since he's black. I'm sure Obama's good looks and epic weiner make the rest of you shmucks look bad so you refused to vote for him, right? Ohhhhhh....you didn't vote for him because you don't agree with him politically, not because you're jealous of his stunning physical attributes. Men would never be that petty and unreasonable!

 

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, stop pushing your shallow, limited scope on the rest of us. We're not all so short sighted.

 

You miss one very important aspect, something that completely changes the situation. I don't "HATE" Obama.

 

He is a good looking guy I suppose, but looks or the lack of them do not change who he is. I do not identify myself with my looks or a comparison to myself to another man based on looks......women very often do.

 

 

As I pointed out in my reply to eddo, my point was only directed at those who have this unfounded hatred of Sarah, there is no honest or reasonable reason to hate her, so there must be something else digging at these women who show the hatred.

 

I have an open mind, please educate me on why you feel so many liberal women hate her so much? Hate is a powerful thing. To quote one liberal women's group, Palin would be a massive "step backward" for all women if she were to be vice President

 

Why would any woman being in either of the top two jobs of politics be a step back? Why say something so completely stupid and uneducated? Clearly it would not be a step backward so these groups are talking from hate.......why the hate?

[RoyalOrleans]

Very rarely do I disagree with IWS, but this time I agree wholeheartedly with 'joke.

[Ahhlee]

Nope. It's a proven fact that women often detest other women because they feel they are physically inferior to them, more often then men compare other men in power to themselves.

 

Women are way more superficial than men when it comes to those in power by gender.

 

Proven fact? Proven by whom? You and your drinking buddies at closing time on a Friday night at Hooters? What's your source, here?

 

If I'm going to work and stressing over the fact that "Carol's" hair has more volume than mine rather than worrying that Carol's increased productivity might show me up and lose me that promotion I've been vying for...there is something seriously wrong with me.

 

But it would cost more to let these girls get pregnant, this is my point. We should be trying to prevent unwanted pregnancies is my point and so far, this is the only program I have heard of that has been successful for high risk girls.

 

Everything else has failed, why not give prevention a chance?

 

I'm saying this program is putting a teeny, tiny band aid on a huge, gaping wound. Either it needs to be increased significantly to reach more girls or something else should be done.

 

The rewards program should reach more than just a handful of girls. Boys need to be involved in making better choices, too. Overall, it IS a good program but I think it could be improved upon.

 

I still say my sterilization plan is the cat's ass and would prevent lots of unwanted babies in the low income/drug sector.

 

 

 

And true most of the time. I have made a big part of my life dedicated to watching how people behave. The first thing a woman does when she walks into a room like at a party or bar is too look around the room very carefully.......but she is not checking out the men as a man would look at the woman......nope, she is doing a threat assessment of the other women in the room.

 

I am not saying it is all the woman's fault, in many ways they are raised to be in constant competition with other women over their looks and the media and stores have all banded together to exploit and expand this mentality in women in every way possible.

 

Maybe the women you hang out with. When I'm at a party, I'm there to party and have a good time.

 

The fact that you think a woman is going to behave in a voting booth the exact same way she would at a party is laughable and demeaning. Would you?

 

 

You miss one very important aspect, something that completely changes the situation. I don't "HATE" Obama.

 

Oh, that's right. Only women "hate". Men "disagree". Whatever.

 

He is a good looking guy I suppose, but looks or the lack of them do not change who he is. I do not identify myself with my looks or a comparison to myself to another man based on looks......women very often do.

 

It's ok to admit you have penis envy. It really is.

 

Again, please stop judging all women based on the ones you hang out with and "observe". We're not all so shallow and petty.

 

 

As I pointed out in my reply to eddo, my point was only directed at those who have this unfounded hatred of Sarah, there is no honest or reasonable reason to hate her, so there must be something else digging at these women who show the hatred.

 

Again with the "hatred". Did you ever stop and think that maybe they just don't agree with her views?

 

I have an open mind, please educate me on why you feel so many liberal women hate her so much?

 

They DISAGREE with her because they are liberals and Palin is a conservative. Ummmm....DUH?

 

Hate is a powerful thing. To quote one liberal women's group, Palin would be a massive "step backward" for all women if she were to be vice President

 

Hardly a hateful statement. It's merely an opinion.

 

"If Palin gets elected, I hope that bitch DIES!" - Now that's unfounded hatred.

 

Why would any woman being in either of the top two jobs of politics be a step back? Why say something so completely stupid and uneducated? Clearly it would not be a step backward so these groups are talking from hate.......why the hate?

 

Obama is a man. You don't like his stimulus package. Does that mean you clearly hate him? A + B - C x penis envy = hate? Why the hate?

[ImWithStupid]

Ah, women, the consistently, tragically underestimated constituency. What the Democrats learned during the primaries and the Republicans might now be finding out the hard way, I learned at my very academic, well-regarded all-girls high school: that is never to discount the ability of women to open a robust, committed, well-thought-out vat of hatred for another girl.

 

Women are weapons-grade haters. Hillary Clinton knows it. Palin knows it too. When women get their hate on, they don't just dislike, or find disfavor with, or sort of not really appreciate. They loathe — deeply, richly, sustainingly. I do not say this to disparage my gender; women also love in more or less the same way.

 

When men disagree, the steps to resolution are reasonably clear and unsophisticated. Acts of physical violence are visited upon one another's person or property, and the whole thing blows over. Women? Nu-unh. We savor the discord. We draw it out. We share our contempt with our friends, like a useful stock tip, or really good salsa. And then we all go hate together: a mutually encouraging group activity for when the book group gets quiet.

 

The hatred women have for Sarah Palin, and others had for Hillary before her, is not necessarily about politics. Anybody can run the numbers on how many people Palin's pro-life, pro-gun, socially conservative policies will seduce and how many they will alienate. Rather, the test that the McCain campaign failed to put her through was the Abbotsleigh Ladies College test. (Named after my high school. Go, green and gold!). It's a simple pass-fail exam: Will the other girls like her?

 

Here's why Palin doesn't make the grade:

 

1. She's too pretty. This is very bad news. At school, pretty girls tend to be liked only by other pretty girls. The rest of us, whose looks hover somewhere around underwhelming, resent them and whisper archly of their "unearned attention." So, if everyone calls your candidate "hot," you're in a whole mess of trouble. If the Pakistani head-of-state more or less hits on her, well, yes, she'll get a sympathy vote, but we're in Dukakis-in-the-tank territory. It's an admiration vaporizer. (Of course a candidate can't be too ugly, or it will scare the men, who are clearly shallow as a gender.)

 

2. She's too confident. This also bodes ill. Women have self-esteem issues. But they also have other-women's-esteem issues. As almost any woman — from the head of the Budgerigar Breeders association to Queen Elizabeth — can attest, it's almost impossible to get confidence right. Too timid and you're a pushover. Too self-aggrandizing and you're a bad word unless it's about a dog, or Project Runway's Kenley. Or Michelle, my best friend until 9th grade, after she won that debating prize and got y.

 

The fact of the matter is once a female decides it's over with another female, it's like an end-stage marriage. No matter how seemingly benign, every attribute becomes an affront: the hair, the voice, the husband, the moose-shooting, the glasses, the big family, the making rape victims pay for their own rape test kits.

 

 

 

Why Some Women Hate Sarah Palin -- Printout -- TIME

[timesjoke]

 

I'm saying this program is putting a teeny, tiny band aid on a huge, gaping wound. Either it needs to be increased significantly to reach more girls or something else should be done.

 

The rewards program should reach more than just a handful of girls. Boys need to be involved in making better choices, too. Overall, it IS a good program but I think it could be improved upon.

 

I still say my sterilization plan is the cat's ass and would prevent lots of unwanted babies in the low income/drug sector.

 

Would you not agree that all ideas must start somewhere?

 

 

 

Maybe the women you hang out with. When I'm at a party, I'm there to party and have a good time.

 

The fact that you think a woman is going to behave in a voting booth the exact same way she would at a party is laughable and demeaning. Would you?

 

I believe a woman will behave like a woman no matter where she is, but none of this had anything to do with the voting booth, 100% of my comments were directed on the very small segment of women who have an unreasonable hatred of Sarah.

 

Not every woman in the world.

 

 

Oh, that's right. Only women "hate". Men "disagree". Whatever.

 

Well women do hold grudges more often than men do and also turn to emotional based reactions much, much faster than men do. Hate is based in emotion, being as women are faster to react to any given situation with an emotional response they are more prone to hate.

 

It's ok to admit you have penis envy. It really is.

 

It is a proven fact that women tend to "fit" their mate. Small penis or large penis does not matter as long as the woman is faithful because she will feal fulfilled by who she is used to having.

 

Besides, another great side effect for women being so emotionally wired is their sexuality is also connected to their feelings of security and having a secure future, men who are successful are more likely to please a woman on a regular basis than a man who is not.

 

Again, please stop judging all women based on the ones you hang out with and "observe". We're not all so shallow and petty.

 

Again, I am not talking about all women, just the ones who have an unreasonable hatred of a great woman. You need to stop taking a small comment about a small group of women and trying to make it seem like I am applying that standard to all women because I am not.

 

 

Again with the "hatred". Did you ever stop and think that maybe they just don't agree with her views?

 

Some just do not agree with her, but even Chi is showing how she agrees with many of her views so based on Chi as an example.....why hate her?

 

I am only speaking about the women who call Palin ugly names and such, you don't behave that way unless you hate someone.

 

 

They DISAGREE with her because they are liberals and Palin is a conservative. Ummmm....DUH?

 

I am a conservative and I have never said any liberal man getting elected would be a massive step backward for all mankind. I do not make attacking the opposition a purely emotional thing. To me it is all about the bottom line, will this person help or hurt the things I cherish the most and that is it. I do not and never will hate Obama or any other person of a different party.

 

If anything i am faster to dislike people who claim to be conservative then move to the liberal agenda like Bush did in his last couple years in office, I honestly disliked him for that a lot.

 

Hardly a hateful statement. It's merely an opinion.

 

"If Palin gets elected, I hope that bitch DIES!" - Now that's unfounded hatred.

 

They have said that too but of course that statement is hateful. That her being elected is a massive step backward for "ALL WOMEN" is as hateful as it gets for mainstream news. They had to maintain a modicum of restraint for the press releases but I gurantee you that these same women were wishing Palin would die.

 

Just like a couple members of this forum who were attackinf how she dressed, and everything else that had nothing to do with her views.

 

 

Obama is a man. You don't like his stimulus package. Does that mean you clearly hate him? A + B - C x penis envy = hate? Why the hate?

 

No saying Sarah would ba a massive step back for all women is hate, attacking her children is hate, calling her ugly names is hate, the out of control nature most of them display tword Sarah is because of hate.

 

 

I have never said Obama is a step backward for all men. I have never attacked his family or how his wife dresses now have I?

 

 

I do not like Obama because of his socialist agenda but I don't hate him. You can claim many women do not hate Sarah as well but the kinds of "PERSONAL" attacks proves a much different picture than your willing to admit to.

[eddo]

Well women do hold grudges more often than men do and also turn to emotional based reactions much, much faster than men do.

 

 

so what you are saying, if I am understanding this correctly, is...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wez is a woman.

 

 

 

correct?

[timesjoke]

Stop baiting eddo, I will not go there.

[Ahhlee]

Nope. It's a proven fact that women often detest other women because they feel they are physically inferior to them, more often then men compare other men in power to themselves.

 

Women are way more superficial than men when it comes to those in power by gender.

 

I read the interesting article you provided in your link about how women didn't support Palin based on petty jealousy over her physical attractiveness.

 

But you realize it was an editorial. Editorials, while often persuasive, represent an opinion...not proven facts.

 

If you had offered me a poll done on female voters who specifically listed that they did not support Palin based on reasons such as:

 

A. I think she's a bitch and I'm totally jealous

B. She's pretty and that makes me feel threatened

C. I wish I had boobs like hers

D. I perceive her as superior to me physically and I don't like that!

 

THEN I would be swayed. As it stands, I am not.

 

Palin lost a lot of her female supporters after her Katie Couric interview. Let's face it...she didn't exactly put on a stellar performance. She did much better during her debate against Biden, but while she gained some women back on her side it simply wasn't enough at that point to win the election.

 

Most women are worred about political issues that affect women: health care, abortion/family planning, domestic violence, education, etc... Palin is super conservative and if a woman's political leanings aren't as such, odds are she's not going to be in support of having someone like Palin heading up her country and making huge socio/economic decisions that could affect her life.

 

I just wish some of you would give women some credit. We are perfectly capable of making an informed and educated decision when it comes to voting people into office and the political affairs of this nation. For the sweeping majority of us, our vote does NOT come down to childish, petty motives. In other words, the "She just hates Palin because she's pretty!" argument is really insulting, sexist and quite frankly....ignorant.

[eddo]

Stop baiting eddo, I will not go there.

 

oh yeah, I was baiting you....

 

 

[timesjoke]

Ali,

 

Nobody said a woman cannot be concerned about real issues. Not me and not IWS.

 

Your mixing two completely different things here and calling them the same. In one hand there are women who do just as you said and consider all the issues and make an informed decision. On the other hand there are women who slam Sarah on her fashion, attack her children, attack her husband (at least she has one), etc.....

 

All you have to do is ask yourself one simple question to see if your a hater.......

 

Did you ever attack her on a personal level?

 

If you ever found yourself slamming her because of her glasses or making fun of her daughter getting pregnant then you are one of the women I am describing. If your one of the women who had to go to those extra lengths to not only be vocal against her views but to also attack her as a person, well that is crossing the line of hatred.

 

 

I made a point I would like you to speak on in my post to you, where have I ever called Obama a step backward for all men? Where have I called his children horrid names like the slut name liberals placed on Sarah's daughter? Where did I ever go past policies and fears of policies to come and go after Obama in the same ferocious way many people went after Sarah Ali?

 

You can't possibly be trying to say you cannot see the difference I am speaking on......can you?

 

 

 

I would like to point out what you have in your sig:

 

The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. - Ben Franklin

 

Do you believe in this idea?

 

Well Obama and Biden do not. Neither does Pelosi or Reed.

 

Sarah Palin does.

 

Core values, the little details do not matter as much as the core values. At the core most of the Liberals in power do not want to follow the Constitution.......do you?

[wez]

Ali,

 

I would like to point out what you have in your sig:

 

The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. - Ben Franklin

 

Do you believe in this idea?

 

Well Obama and Biden do not. Neither does Pelosi or Reed.

 

Sarah Palin does.

 

 

I know I'd be happy if I was a woman forced to carry my rapists fetus to term ala Sarah Palin's personal idea of happiness..

 

Shoulda used some of that money to keep her teen daughter from gettin' knocked up.. but.. they got money.. so it's ok.. Yet.. she's got the urge to tell every other women in the country what to do with their reproductive systems..

 

I'm so jealous of her.. she's so beautiful.. sniff.. sniff.. Classy lady.. On Sundays in church for a couple hours..

[wez]

so what you are saying, if I am understanding this correctly, is...

 

wez is a woman.

 

correct?

 

 

Quit baiting TJ.. He's oil.. I'm water..

[ImWithStupid]

I know I'd be happy if I was a woman forced to carry my rapists fetus to term ala Sarah Palin's personal idea of happiness..

 

Shoulda used some of that money to keep her teen daughter from gettin' knocked up.. but.. they got money.. so it's ok.. Yet.. she's got the urge to tell every other women in the country what to do with their reproductive systems..

 

I'm so jealous of her.. she's so beautiful.. sniff.. sniff.. Classy lady.. On Sundays in church for a couple hours..

 

 

First off, she never said this. All she ever said is that she personally is against abortion, but feels that the legality should be determined by each state and the people of that state, not the federal government.

 

Q: Why is Roe v. Wade a bad decision?

 

A: I think it should be a states’ issue not a federal government-mandated, mandating yes or no on such an important issue. I’m, in that sense, a federalist, where I believe that states should have more say in the laws of their lands and individual areas. Now, foundationally, it’s no secret that I’m pro-life that I believe in a culture of life is very important for this country. Personally that’s what I would like to see further embraced by America.

 

Source: 2008 CBS News presidential interview with Katie Couric Oct 1, 2008

 

 

 

Q: If Roe v. Wade were overturned and states could once again prohibit abortion, in your view, to what extent should abortion be prohibited in Alaska?

 

A: Under this hypothetical scenario, it would not be up to the governor to unilaterally ban anything. It would be up to the people of Alaska to discuss and decide how we would like our society to reflect our values.

 

Source: Anchorage Daily News: 2006 gubernatorial candidate profile Oct 22, 2006

 

 

 

Second, did you just admit to being a woman, because we were talking about how "women" view other women? <psst, that's kinda how it sounded

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[wez]

 

 

 

Second, did you just admit to being a woman, because we were talking about how "women" view othe women? <psst, that's kinda how it sounded

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I thought we were talking about babysitting? hahaha

[ImWithStupid]

I thought we were talking about babysitting? hahaha

 

Not even talking about the parenting job.

[Ahhlee]

Ali,

Nobody said a woman cannot be concerned about real issues. Not me and not IWS.

 

If you are both arguing that women are incapable of seeing beyond their own petty jealousies, then yes....you are saying that.

 

You have both been stating "women" and "most women" - that implies the majority. I'm not insisting that there aren't a handful of women who are so superficial that they would dismiss Palin on account of jealousy over her attractiveness, but I am asking you to consider that these women are the minority. Most of us are not that irrational.

 

Your mixing two completely different things here and calling them the same. In one hand there are women who do just as you said and consider all the issues and make an informed decision. On the other hand there are women who slam Sarah on her fashion, attack her children, attack her husband (at least she has one), etc.....

 

THAT IS MY POINT! There are women...in fact, it's the majority of us...who consider all the issues and make informed decisions when it comes to something as important as electing our next national officials.

 

attack her husband (at least she has one)

 

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

 

All you have to do is ask yourself one simple question to see if your a hater.......

 

Did you ever attack her on a personal level?

 

If you ever found yourself slamming her because of her glasses or making fun of her daughter getting pregnant then you are one of the women I am describing. If your one of the women who had to go to those extra lengths to not only be vocal against her views but to also attack her as a person, well that is crossing the line of hatred.

 

You know what? I agree with her on some issues and disagree with her on others...I certainly don't hate her. I think people in general focused too much on her personal life and not enough on what she brought to the table politically. I'm sure not going to place all that blame on a small percentage of insecure women, however. Those men (not all) who detracted from the seriousness of her campaign by making her out to be some kind of sex kitten didn't do much to to help her overall in the polls either.

 

And by your logic, if a handful of men attack Obama on a personal level, that means I can qualify that by saying "Men are just jealous of Obama because they have an 'unreasonable' hatred of him". Seems like a baseless claim, doesn't it? Well...so is yours.

 

I made a point I would like you to speak on in my post to you, where have I ever called Obama a step backward for all men? Where have I called his children horrid names like the slut name liberals placed on Sarah's daughter? Where did I ever go past policies and fears of policies to come and go after Obama in the same ferocious way many people went after Sarah Ali?

 

I don't know if you personally have or haven't, but it's not very fun to be lumped into a category like that simply based on your gender, is it?

 

You can't possibly be trying to say you cannot see the difference I am speaking on......can you?

 

I'm fully aware. Can you not see my point as well?

 

 

I would like to point out what you have in your sig:

 

The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. - Ben Franklin

 

Do you believe in this idea?

 

Well Obama and Biden do not. Neither does Pelosi or Reed.

 

Sarah Palin does.

 

Core values, the little details do not matter as much as the core values. At the core most of the Liberals in power do not want to follow the Constitution.......do you?

Where are you going with this? Why would I have that quote as a signature if I didn't believe in it? I live it and live by it every day.