Fighting teen pregnancy

[emkay64]

Hmmm...we'll just agree to disagree. I'm not going to split hairs on trivial definitions.

[eddo]

Hmmm...we'll just agree to disagree. I'm not going to split hairs on trivial definitions.

 

trivial definitions is about all we have on a message board full of words.

 

 

I don't think anyone is saying that parenting is easy, a walk in the park, or unrewarding.

 

 

 

What I think is being said is that a job is 9-5, you punch in, you do your duties, then you punch out and go home and try not to think about the job until tomorrow when you get up and do it all again. Jobs can be fun, but most of the time they are there just to earn money.

 

 

Parenting is much more than just a job.

[timesjoke]

you just had to go there huh? Still looking down on the women folk every chance you get huh?

 

Nope, as usual you miss the forest for the trees. I prefaced my comment to be only about women who have an unreasonable hatred of Sarah. The unreasonable hatred must come from somewhere right? I gave my opinion of where it comes from....am I not allowed my opinion of where resentment of this poisionous level comes from?

 

Taking everything Sarah has accomplished as a woman, there is really no reason to hate her, maybe not support her, but the hatred is wrong.

 

 

I dunno if being a parent qualifies as a job in the classic definition of the word- but it certainly is hard work.

 

I agree, but not all hard work is a job. Climbing a mountain is hard work, but does that equal a job? Job as defined in modern society is something you should get paid for, people who created children should not get paid for taking care of what they made, it is their responsibility, they made the kids, not the Government.

 

 

 

 

 

Where the difference with this program is it is a "preventive" measure to reduce the number of unwanted babies that come into the world and the Government pays for anyway. Either way the Government pays, so do we want the lower number or the higher number?

[wez]

I don't believe in a system that says a dolt that can catch a football and run fast is more valuable to society then a garbage man and prove it with money..

 

 

You morons keep equating human value with money and "jobs" and I'll keep feeling sorry for you..

[ImWithStupid]

I don't believe in a system that says a dolt that can catch a football and run fast is more valuable to society then a garbage man and prove it with money..

 

 

You morons keep equating human value with money and "jobs" and I'll keep feeling sorry for you..

 

 

I completely believe in that system. It's capitalism. The football player is only going to get what the people, including the sanitation employee, say they are worth, by spending their money to see the football player.

 

That said. I fail to see what the f& K that has to do with this thread.

[wez]

I completely believe in that system. It's capitalism. The football player is only going to get what the people, including the sanitation employee, say they are worth, by spending their money to see the football player.

 

That said. I fail to see what the f& K that has to do with this thread.

 

 

Apparently you say all these bankers/auto makers/insurance companies/ blah, blah, blah with their hands out are worth every penny, yet a mother trying to raise children should be made to feel like a piece of sh t if our government, whose sole purpose it is to benefit it's citizens, helps them have basic necessities for survival.

 

Has everything to do with it.. keep thinkin' til ya see what the it has to do with this thread.

 

 

Much of the so called "work" we do as human beings on this planet is not good for our species long term survival.. Or our present day mental health..

 

 

All work no play makes wez a dull boy..

All work no play makes wez a dull boy..

All work no play makes wez a dull boy..

All work no play makes wez a dull boy..

All work no play makes wez a dull boy..

All work no play makes wez a dull boy..

All work no play makes wez a dull boy..

All work no play makes wez a dull boy..

 

 

hahahaha..

[ImWithStupid]

Apparently you say all these bankers/auto makers/insurance companies/ blah, blah, blah with their hands out are worth every penny, yet a mother trying to raise children should be made to feel like a piece of sh t if our government, whose sole purpose it is to benefit it's citizens, helps them have basic necessities for survival.

 

Has everything to do with it.. keep thinkin' til ya see what the it has to do with this thread.

 

 

I have no idea what kind of straw man argument you are trying to make, but I didn't say anything of the like.

 

I said a pro football player will only get what the market, the fans and the culture will allow them to make.

 

That's the way it should be.

 

In a utopian society everyone would make the same. I think that's a bunch of crap and utopia will not only never exist, but everyone shouldn't make the same amount of money.

[wez]

I have no idea what kind of straw man argument you are trying to make, but I didn't say anything of the like.

 

I said a pro football player will only get what the market, the fans and the culture will allow them to make.

 

That's the way it should be.

 

In a utopian society everyone would make the same. I think that's a bunch of crap and utopia will not only never exist, but everyone shouldn't make the same amount of money.

 

There'd be no money in a utopian society.. people would be smarter than that..and some day will be.. or go the way of the dinasaurs by their own stupid hand..

[ImWithStupid]

There'd be no money in a utopian society.. people would be smarter than that..and some day will be.. or go the way of the dinasaurs by their own stupid hand..

 

Whatever. Keep dreaming, sit down with your guitar and sing Kum by ya, and see how that works out for ya.

[wez]

Whatever. Keep dreaming, sit down with your guitar and sing Kum by ya, and see how that works out for ya.

 

 

Hahaha.. wtf are you talking about?

 

 

Whatever.. Keep believing in money and crapitalism, and sit down and polish your pistol and see how that works out for ya..

 

 

Well.. Should create a lot of "work" for you as burglaries increase because some dipsh t couldn't get anyone to borrow him any more money at 30% interest to eat.. Congrats.. You should ask for a raise.. or get a prison named after you or sumthin'..

[snafu]

I don't know which one of you are in la la land but taking care of kids no matter how much you love them is work. Changing diapers, cleaning up after them, making them meals, putting up with tired cranky kids, stopping fights, fixing boo boo's all sounds fun right? It's out of love that you do these things while the spouse does his/her same endless job. Taking there breaks every two hours, eating the lunch that the other half probably made and maybe bickering over the phone or with the boss. Do they both sound repetitious and exasperating?

WORK!

[ImWithStupid]

Hahaha.. wtf are you talking about?

 

 

Whatever.. Keep believing in money and crapitalism, and sit down and polish your pistol and see how that works out for ya..

 

 

Well.. Should create a lot of "work" for you as burglaries increase because some dipsh t couldn't get anyone to borrow him any more money at 30% interest to eat.. Congrats.. You should ask for a raise.. or get a prison named after you or sumthin'..

 

 

You, my friend are making no sense what so ever. Please elaborate how this is relevant to the conversation at hand.

 

How does this apply to teen pregnancy or parenting?

 

Even so, I'm encouraging you to create your "utopian socitety" . It has to start with someone. Grab your guitar, sing your songs, do what you want.

 

Let me know how that works out for you.

 

Just a hint though. People who talk like you bear the names of, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Che Guvara, Fidel Castro, etc...

 

Those plans always worked well for "the people".

 

Good luck my friend.

[ImWithStupid]

I don't know which one of you are in la la land but taking care of kids no matter how much you love them is work. Changing diapers, cleaning up after them, making them meals, putting up with tired cranky kids, stopping fights, fixing boo boo's all sounds fun right? It's out of love that you do these things while the spouse does his/her same endless job. Taking there breaks every two hours, eating the lunch that the other half probably made and maybe bickering over the phone or with the boss. Do they both sound repetitious and exasperating?

WORK!

 

 

Wez is off on some kind of socialist rant that doesn't even relate to the topic and I never once, said, parenting wasn't hard work.

 

I said it wasn't a job. Just like watching your own kids, isn't babysitting.

 

Wez somehow interpreted this though as promoting fat cats in corporations and the oppression of his white friends in Minnesota.

[Chi]

Heck yeah, kids are draining! I love them to death, but they are work. Just today, I worked 9 hrs as usual, then picked them up, took them to the library, then we played tennis at the park, then made and had dinner, watched some tv, listened to music/videos & exercised/danced a little, but all throughout the day they've also been horsing around, play fighting/wrestling, spilling drinks (thankfully just water) and the like. I'm a bit drained, so I'm just chilling now. I'll probably just surf the net or watch tv & exercise while I wait for my bf to come home.

[wez]

Wez is off on some kind of socialist rant that doesn't even relate to the topic and I never once, said, parenting wasn't hard work.

 

I said it wasn't a job. Just like watching your own kids, isn't babysitting.

 

Wez somehow interpreted this though as promoting fat cats in corporations and the oppression of his white friends in Minnesota.

 

What the f ck made you think my first comment before your reply was in any way directed solely at you let alone motivated by your insanity up there? hahahaha

 

 

Made a comment on the general f ckeduppedness of our so called "capitalist" system.. and everyone who thinks money is the end all be all of life that should guide all decisions made..

 

 

Are we arguing the difference between the word work and job? What the f ck for?

 

I thought this was about spending government money to prevent teen pregnancies so we don't have any more moms needing welfare by actually giving birth without a shudder job..

[ImWithStupid]

Heck yeah, kids are draining! I love them to death, but they are work. Just today, I worked 9 hrs as usual, then picked them up, took them to the library, then we played tennis at the park, then made and had dinner, watched some tv, listened to music/videos & exercised/danced a little, but all throughout the day they've also been horsing around, play fighting/wrestling, spilling drinks (thankfully just water) and the like. I'm a bit drained, so I'm just chilling now. I'll probably just surf the net or watch tv & exercise while I wait for my bf to come home.

 

So you spent the day, after picking them up, babysitting?

[wez]

So you spent the day, after picking them up, babysitting?

 

What the f ck does that have to do with this thread? You wanna call a mother spending time with and/or taking care of her kids "babysitting"? Why?

[ImWithStupid]

What the f ck does that have to do with this thread? You wanna call a mother spending time with and/or taking care of her kids "babysitting"? Why?

 

 

Try reading the whole thread and it will make sense.

[ImWithStupid]

What the f ck made you think my first comment before your reply was in any way directed solely at you let alone motivated by your insanity up there? hahahaha

 

 

Made a comment on the general f ckeduppedness of our so called "capitalist" system.. and everyone who thinks money is the end all be all of life that should guide all decisions made..

 

 

Are we arguing the difference between the word work and job? What the f ck for?

 

I thought this was about spending government money to prevent teen pregnancies so we don't have any more moms needing welfare by actually giving birth without a shudder job..

 

And in turn you were doing nothing but derailing the thread.

 

My argument was still about families, yours was about some kind of economic theory.

 

I made you a thread to rant if you want.

 

Have at it.

[wez]

Try reading the whole thread and it will make sense.

 

Does money and it's nature relate to this topic or is all about word semantics of work/job and babysitting?

[wez]

And in turn you were doing nothing but derailing the thread.

 

My argument was still about families, yours was about some kind of economic theory.

 

I made you a thread to rant if you want.

 

Have at it.

 

Derailing because why? You can't understand what I'm saying? Everyone knows economics have nothing to do with families..

 

 

That's why there's an argument over the words work and job, right?

 

 

What's your argument about families? Chi was babysitting her kids tonight? wow.. I can feel my IQ growing exponentially..

[Chi]

So you spent the day, after picking them up, babysitting?

 

In a way I guess. But more like taking care of my kids and spending time with them. Although what I think Emkay meant was that staying home with the kids and cleaning the house is work, like any other job. You just don't get paid, unless you count your husband/wife/mate's income to pay for your things, if one stays home while the other works a "paying" job.

 

Some of you are taking the words too literally. When I babysit my niece, nephew, little sister, friends' kids, etc. I don't get paid either. So why all the semantics?

[ImWithStupid]

In a way I guess. But more like taking care of my kids and spending time with them. Although what I think Emkay meant was that staying home with the kids and cleaning the house is work, like any other job. You just don't get paid, unless you count your husband/wife/mate's income to pay for your things, if one stays home while the other works a "paying" job.

 

Some of you are taking the words too literally. When I babysit my niece, nephew, little sister, friends' kids, etc. I don't get paid either. So why all the semantics?

 

This is my whole point. If they are your kids you aren't babysitting.

 

If you're raising your kids as a parent, it isn't a job, it may be work, hard work, but it isn't a job.

 

Something that is your normal responsibility isn't a job.

 

What you do for employment is a job, because you get compensated to provide a service or perform a task for compensation.

[ImWithStupid]

I don't believe in a system that says a dolt that can catch a football and run fast is more valuable to society then a garbage man and prove it with money..

 

 

You morons keep equating human value with money and "jobs" and I'll keep feeling sorry for you..

 

 

How the frack does this apply to parenting and pregnancy?

 

It's obvious, you were doing nothing but derail, to try and make some kind of communist, idealogue point.

 

I made you a thread to preach of the evils of capitalism. Use it.

[Chi]

This is my whole point. If they are your kids you aren't babysitting.

 

If you're raising your kids as a parent, it isn't a job, it may be work, hard work, but it isn't a job.

 

Something that is your normal responsibility isn't a job.

 

What you do for employment is a job, because you get compensated to provide a service or perform a task for compensation.

 

A job is simply a responsibility you chose to take on or have to take on. Not necessarily one with compensation. I can say "it is my bf's job to do the dishes this week, while I cook", etc. Since you are stuck on the word so much - Is it not my job to take care of my kids, raise them right, provide for them, etc.? Isn't that my job as a parent?