ImWithStupid Posted June 27, 2009 Posted June 27, 2009 Here wez. Rant away about utopia/communism. Quit derailing other threads. 1
wez Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Damn.. how did I miss this post? When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. ~ Jimi Hendrix When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box ~ Italian Proverb It is our illusions that create the world ~ Didier Cauwelaert The first man to see an illusion by which men have flourished for centuries surely stands in a lonely place ~ Gary Zukav I rant, therefore I am ~ Dennis Miller
hugo Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Robert Kennedy There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? Robert Kennedy 1 The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
dude8799 Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 first off you guys probably dont know what wez utopian society really is. his idea was that someday the working class, the serfs in his age, would overthrow the ruling class, the czars, creating a society of peace where everyone had the same property and everything was shared. instead when they overthrown joseph stalin went along with marxist communism, sent all his people to gulags, and killed 20 million of his own freaking people. if your gonna rant about communism dont rant about wez utopia.
hugo Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 first off you guys probably dont know what wez utopian society really is. his idea was that someday the working class, the serfs in his age, would overthrow the ruling class, the czars, creating a society of peace where everyone had the same property and everything was shared. instead when they overthrown joseph stalin went along with marxist communism, sent all his people to gulags, and killed 20 million of his own freaking people. if your gonna rant about communism dont rant about wez utopia. wez is older than I thought. 1 The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
wez Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 first off you guys probably dont know what wez utopian society really is. his idea was that someday the working class, the serfs in his age, would overthrow the ruling class, the czars, creating a society of peace where everyone had the same property and everything was shared. instead when they overthrown joseph stalin went along with marxist communism, sent all his people to gulags, and killed 20 million of his own freaking people. if your gonna rant about communism dont rant about wez utopia. First off.. You probably don't know that I'm wez.. Secondly.. not only wasn't I alive "in his age", I had no such idea concerning early to mid 20th century Russia Thirdly.. welcome to the site.. Lastly.. shut the hell up.. "we" don't like being told what to do.. we'll rant about whatever we want.
wez Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion ~ Albert Camus
timesjoke Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 The main problem with a Utopia is the people. People all have different levels of motivation, those with little motivation end up with little rewards, those with great amounts of motivation get better rewards. Utopia societies are only desired by those with very low motivation, they desire the greater rewards those with greater motivation attain but are too lazy to work as hard as them so instead they try to take what they refuse to earn.
wez Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 Non-Utopian societies are only desired by narcissistic control freaks.. Human beings will be happier - not when they cure cancer or get to Mars or eliminate racial prejudice or flush Lake Erie but when they find ways to inhabit primitive communities again. That's my utopia. ~ Kurt Vonnegut 1
timesjoke Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 You know Wez, this is another great example of how your a hypocrite. You say in one hand it is wrong to use force to take something or force someone to do something they don't want to do but at the same time your saying Government should take away money/resources/power, from those who have it and give it to those who don't. How do you balance that mindset? Once again you don't have a problem with anyone using force, your just against the force used in a way you don't agree with. By the way, you missed the point Vonnegut was making, in primitive communities, everyone pulled their weight, lazy people who wanted to sit on their behinds did not eat. Humans who are lazy block our ability to find a real Utopia, a place where we get what we earn, not take what we do not with the force of the Federal Government and the IRS.
eddo Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 first off you guys probably dont know what wez utopian society really is. his idea was that someday the working class, the serfs in his age, would overthrow the ruling class, the czars, creating a society of peace where everyone had the same property and everything was shared. instead when they overthrown joseph stalin went along with marxist communism, sent all his people to gulags, and killed 20 million of his own freaking people. if your gonna rant about communism dont rant about wez utopia. lamest. first. post. ever. 1 I'm trusted by more women.
wez Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 You know Wez, this is another great example of how your a hypocrite. You say in one hand it is wrong to use force to take something or force someone to do something they don't want to do but at the same time your saying Government should take away money/resources/power, from those who have it and give it to those who don't. Where in the flying f ck did I ever say any government should take anything from anyone? You're the one that supports government action when it suits you and yours.. not me. How do you balance that mindset? Once again you don't have a problem with anyone using force, your just against the force used in a way you don't agree with. By the way, you missed the point Vonnegut was making, in primitive communities, everyone pulled their weight, lazy people who wanted to sit on their behinds did not eat. Humans who are lazy block our ability to find a real Utopia, a place where we get what we earn, not take what we do not with the force of the Federal Government and the IRS. Nowadays.. lazy people "work" for governments and the multinational corporations that own them so they can sit on their behinds and take what others actually "earn". I missed no point.. So in your mind, someone who is paralyzed, disabled or mentally incapacitated would fall into the "lazy" category and should be starved out of existence? What about all the people who are more than willing to work and support themselves who can't find jobs because they don't exist and have no rights to utilize land and resources for their own sustenance because control freaks have carved up every inch of the the world and it's resources and claimed ownership of it, or else? What about all the people the world over who work their asses off everyday for a life of debt and poverty? You missed the point.. I don't see things as shallow as you to "balance my mindset". 1
timesjoke Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 Well you certainly are not talking about America Wez. The extremely tiny segment of society who are (truly) disabled are not lazy Wez, you know I am not talking about them and they account for such a low percentage of Americans it is not even a real issue. If the only people getting handouts were them I would have nothing to complain about Wez, and we would be in the Utopia Vonnegut defined Wez. You Wez, you say over and over again how you believe socialist laws are the right way to go, you complain about business owners having the right to own what they earn, you complain about people like me who work hard and should pay more taxes to support people who do not work as hard as I do. You want companies to be taken away from their owners and given to "the people" Wez, so yes, your wanting to use force against people to give you what you have not earned. I own land, I own my own businesses, my two homes are paid for, all of this made possible by hard work and education Wez, not sitting at home waiting for the Government to give me prosperity by taking it away from someone else like you want the Government to do. Wez, you ever wonder why almost all lottery winners end up broke and bankrupt? Because the "average" person can't manage money, they spent their winnings ten times over and end up with less than they had before they won. As much as you love to complain about the horrible business owners, you seem to forget that these same business owners are the only people creating real jobs that help the economy. Without jobs, you have nowhere to work Wez, some "big corporation" spent the billions of dollars to build the hospitals you will work in as a nurse Wez, without that "evil" rich guy your out of work so how about that Wez? Tell me Wez, how many people do you employ? People work because the company they work for can make money, the worker is there to make money, the Government imposes taxes to make money, everyone is motivated to make money Wez. If the worker thought they could make more money somewhere else, they would Wez, because that is the only reason they are there.
wez Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 Where the f ck did I ever say anything that you credited to me up there? Socialist laws are the way to go? Business owners shouldn't get to keep what they earn? I complain about people who work hard? Companies should be taken and given to the people? Your delusions are not my reality.. quit putting words and ideas in my mouth, dipsh t.. 1
phreakwars Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 I wanna know where the comparison is, to Wez's utopian world, and Communism. Off in Ayn Rand land, people don't get old, people don't have disability's/debilitating injuries , people don't have disease's. In Ayn Rand land, there is a job and a place for all just because. Is Ayn Rand land, the "REAL" world? What makes her utopia any less rational then what Wez believes? . . https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
timesjoke Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 Wez, you bash businesses, owners of businesses, Government, free enterprise, pretty much everything that is not a socialist concept gets your contempt. My idea of a Utopia is for everyone to look inward to find ther existence instead of looking for someone else to give them handouts. I don't mind hard work and long hours, I can strive wearing jeans on a farm or in a business suit at a board meeting equally well because I have always done what needed to be done without complaint to earn everything I have. I have started over twice from nothing and I am not the exception, every American who is willing to put in the energy and time. Anyone who watches the clock ready to run out the door at quitting time and wants a 40 hour work week and complains if they work more will not get ahead in life. The 'primitive community' Vonnegut speaks of would not have you home at 5:30 to play video games or watch your favorite reality show.
wez Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 I bash corruption, exploitation, control, violence, and hypocrisy. I value freedom, hard work, honesty, compassion, forgiveness, and individualism. What's funny TJ.. you expect/demand everyone subscribe to your fantasy about what America is/should be, or else. You call anyone who doesn't agree with you liberal, socialist, blah, blah, whatever to try to shame/guilt them into your socialist collective where everyone is the same.You can't stand anyone having an independent thought/view/lifestyle that differs from your own. You have a compulsion to control people. You love to impose "punnishment" on others for being what you, in fact, are. Doesn't get much more socialist/communist than that, hypocrite. btw.. I'm not you.. 1
timesjoke Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 You bash all these things and then you do them yourself. That makes you the hypocrite Wez. You want the Government to impose socialist laws that take away the rights of people to own and keep what they earn and give it to people like you Wez, your the guy who wants everyone to be the same, you want to take down those who succeed and give their earnings to those who are too lazy to succeed. I say let each man or woman earn their own way through life and stop trying to bring them down just because they have a nicer car than you do Wez.
wez Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 Once again, where the f ck did I ever say I wanted the government to take anything from anyone and give them to "people like me"? Never have I asked/expected or received anything from the government in my life.. Lemme ask you a question that went unanswered over two years ago again.. During and after your divorce, were there ever any legal issues of child support and did your ex wife EVER receive ANY government benefits for the sake of your children's welfare? 99.999999% certain I know the TRUE answer to that one.. 99.999999% certain you'd never honestly answer it in a million years either.. hypocrites are liars like that.. 1
timesjoke Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 Always on the attack Wez? You need to punish me for daring to tell the truth about you? My ex-wife took off with $175,000 in cash she later claimed she spent and no longer had so I did not even get half of that cash as credit, no Wez, anything the Government could have given her would have been chump change in comparison to what she got and still gets from me. I pay her more in child support than you will ever earn yourself in your lifetime Wez. But on the other hand my ex-wife refused to allow me to see my own children for over 4 months before I could get an "emergency" hearing for visitation, I had to get a Judge to give me the right to see my own kids because men don't have an assumed legal right to their own children. So you done punishing me Wez? Do you need to attack me, my family, or otherwise make it clear that your displeased? You do support socialist takeover of private business, you have talked about taking down big companies many times, well those big companies are owned by people, when you disolve a company and give it to "the poor" you had to take it away from someone else. Someone else who earned what they had from their own work then you and your all poerful Government come along and take it away by force like what happened with GM and your socialist buddies setting aside contract laws and giving part ownership of the new GM to the Union while real leinholders who owned certain aspects of GM based on established laws were all told to piss off.
wez Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 Wow.. $175,000? Only dirty cops got that kinda cash laying around.. Good for her.. untraceable.. no wonder ya didn't get credit.. Never got any assistance at all huh? Her or your kids? hmmmmm.. for some reason.. why don't I believe you? Prolly cuz you're a lying sack of sh t.. Now I'm done "punishing" you.. See ya.. 1
eddo Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 sings: "I'm not you, you're not me, Wez and TJ kissing in a tree! annoying you, annoying me, like a dysfunctional family!" 2 I'm trusted by more women.
wez Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 Awwww.. Feeling left out there eddo? hugs.. there there big boy.. it'll be ok.. Are you now repping yourself as well? Perhaps you and TJ should make up.. I'm sure brotherbitch would be up for a threesome.. hahahaha.. 1
eddo Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 Awwww.. Feeling left out there eddo? hugs.. there there big boy.. it'll be ok.. quit trying to play grab ass with me. You have cadavers for that.... and yes, I did positive rep my song, cause that was funny as hell! 1 I'm trusted by more women.
timesjoke Posted July 20, 2010 Posted July 20, 2010 Wow.. $175,000? Only dirty cops got that kinda cash laying around.. Good for her.. untraceable.. no wonder ya didn't get credit.. Never got any assistance at all huh? Her or your kids? hmmmmm.. for some reason.. why don't I believe you? Prolly cuz you're a lying sack of sh t.. Now I'm done "punishing" you.. See ya.. It was not laying around, I liquidated some investments including a piece of property I owned to begin the first stage of a new home. As long as I reinvested the money in something I could avoid any tax penalties but she took the money and made it dissapear and I had to not only "not" get my share but also had to pay the penalties, lol. She did get me More name calling Wez? Why do you need to be a bully Wez? Hypocrite. Very funny eddo, good stuff
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