You're not buying this "competition" horsesh!t are you?

[timesjoke]

My goodness, was my wiki link to the Canadian supreme court finding that bad really? I did read it and it was pretty accurate as far a general info goes, did you see something from that wiki link that was not accurate Emkay?

 

My point was not so much the details but snaff asking about a link to show it happened so I grabbed the fastest link, I already know all about the finding so I was just helping someone else.

 

 

Emkay, you saying from your limited exposure everything is fine with your program is the same as me saying mine is okay, we both know about what we are exposed to but we do not even see 1% of the total. I know America has problems mostly with the gap between poor who get free medical care and the middle class who can afford their own medical care.

 

I have never lived in the middle long enough to actually experience a medical need during either of my two rebuildings so just based on my experience all I can say is there is no problems in that range but my research tells me that there is a problem so when talking on a general scale, I must admit there is a few cracks in our system.

 

 

The same is true for your Canadian system Emkay, while you personally have never experienced any negative things at all from your system, your exposure is very limited so again we must look at the bigger picture with studies and even your supreme court findings to see that bigger picture.

 

 

 

 

Depending on how the public plan is designed in Congress, millions of Americans would lose their existing coverage. By opening the public plan to all employees and using Medicare rates, the Lewin Group, a nationally prominent econometrics firm, has said that the public plan could result in 119.1 million Americans being transitioned out of private coverage, including employer based coverage, into a public plan. With employers making the key decision, millions of Americans could lose their private coverage, regardless of their personal preferences in this matter.

 

IWS,

 

Don't you know that Bender knows more about these things than groups like the Lewin Group?

 

Funny stuff.

 

It is reasonable to assume that if a less costly insurance option is available to all people, it will hurt private insurance companies, and even Bender admitted that earlier with comments like this:

 

As for driving insurance companies out of business... GOOD. Fukk them too. A majority of the population is in favor of a public plan contrary to what the insurance company lobbyist have convinced you Republicans of. So go ahead and bitch on behalf of the insurance industry who's been screwing us for years anyway, myself, I'll side with what the people want.

 

Anyone with a brain knows there is no way for the private insurance companies to compete against a system designed to lose money and be happy they lost money because it is "what the people want".

[RoyalOrleans]

If the government passed a law requiring employers to provide health insurance policies to employees, what would that do to our employment figures?

 

And can someone please --- after all of these years --- please explain to me the logic behind the conventional wisdom that when you hire someone you are supposed to provide them with health insurance? Why not life insurance? After all, if they die they can't come to work, can they? Why not auto insurance? They have to drive to get to work, don't they?

[timesjoke]

If the government passed a law requiring employers to provide health insurance policies to employees, what would that do to our employment figures?

 

And can someone please --- after all of these years --- please explain to me the logic behind the conventional wisdom that when you hire someone you are supposed to provide them with health insurance? Why not life insurance? After all, if they die they can't come to work, can they? Why not auto insurance? They have to drive to get to work, don't they?

 

Say it again my friend, say it again and never stop. Where does this attitude of entitlements come from? Kids today behave like everything should just be handed to them...and why not have that attitude when the Liberals are out there all saying the exact same thing?

 

Our children have learned from their example that nobody should ever earn anything, that Government should provide for all our wants.

[phreakwars]

The funny part is several new studies have shown that just about 50% of REPUBLICANS are also now in favor of a public health option. Ha ha, division in the party, I love it.

 

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-report/howard-dean-interview-health-care-070709

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[timesjoke]

The funny part is several new studies have shown that just about 50% of REPUBLICANS are also now in favor of a public health option. Ha ha, division in the party, I love it.

 

Is that all there is to it for you Bender? What party wins?

 

 

I see America losing, to me I could care less what political party "wins" if the Nation is being hurt.

[emkay64]

My goodness, was my wiki link to the Canadian supreme court finding that bad really? I did read it and it was pretty accurate as far a general info goes, did you see something from that wiki link that was not accurate Emkay?

 

My point was not so much the details but snaff asking about a link to show it happened so I grabbed the fastest link, I already know all about the finding so I was just helping someone else.

 

 

Emkay, you saying from your limited exposure everything is fine with your program is the same as me saying mine is okay, we both know about what we are exposed to but we do not even see 1% of the total. I know America has problems mostly with the gap between poor who get free medical care and the middle class who can afford their own medical care.

 

I have never lived in the middle long enough to actually experience a medical need during either of my two rebuildings so just based on my experience all I can say is there is no problems in that range but my research tells me that there is a problem so when talking on a general scale, I must admit there is a few cracks in our system.

 

 

The same is true for your Canadian system Emkay, while you personally have never experienced any negative things at all from your system, your exposure is very limited so again we must look at the bigger picture with studies and even your supreme court findings to see that bigger picture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

IWS,

 

Don't you know that Bender knows more about these things than groups like the Lewin Group?

 

Funny stuff.

 

It is reasonable to assume that if a less costly insurance option is available to all people, it will hurt private insurance companies, and even Bender admitted that earlier with comments like this:

 

 

 

Anyone with a brain knows there is no way for the private insurance companies to compete against a system designed to lose money and be happy they lost money because it is "what the people want".

 

Nope TJ...

 

I'm saying that the wiki link I posted is absolutely correct about how Canadian health care is run. Yet you discredit it because it came from Wikipedia. Like all your contradictions....you use them to suit your feeble arguments and say they are inaccurate if they discredit you in any way. I actually chose the article because it tends not to be biased...just a simple statement of facts. Your article is likely true...never disputed that...but if you think Wiki is so damn wrong don't frigging use it to support yourself. Honestly TJ...the only way you could get more stupid is to get bigger.

[timesjoke]

Nope TJ...

 

I'm saying that the wiki link I posted is absolutely correct about how Canadian health care is run. Yet you discredit it because it came from Wikipedia. Like all your contradictions....you use them to suit your feeble arguments and say they are inaccurate if they discredit you in any way. I actually chose the article because it tends not to be biased...just a simple statement of facts. Your article is likely true...never disputed that...but if you think Wiki is so damn wrong don't frigging use it to support yourself. Honestly TJ...the only way you could get more stupid is to get bigger.

 

 

My point about wiki is it is good for "general" information but there is no way in hell I would consider wiki to be a better source for information over the Canadian supreme court who said the Canadian medical system was killing Canadians with their very long waiting lines.

 

 

You still have not shown me any reason to doubt the accuracy of your supreme court.

[emkay64]

My point about wiki is it is good for "general" information but there is no way in hell I would consider wiki to be a better source for information over the Canadian supreme court who said the Canadian medical system was killing Canadians with their very long waiting lines.

 

 

You still have not shown me any reason to doubt the accuracy of your supreme court.

 

Don't worry TJ...I'm not trying to debate anything with you. It is a fruitless endeavor.

[timesjoke]

Don't worry TJ...I'm not trying to debate anything with you. It is a fruitless endeavor.

 

Because all the facts are against you darling.

 

Even your supreme court agrees with me, who are you to say your supreme court does not know the facts?

[emkay64]

Because all the facts are against you darling.

 

Even your supreme court agrees with me, who are you to say your supreme court does not know the facts?

 

That's right! You are absolutely correctumundo!

[Chi]

That's right! You are absolutely correctumundo!

 

Good idea. Just agree with everything the crazy, homeless man says and don't make any eye contact-lol.

[emkay64]

Good idea. Just agree with everything the crazy, homeless man says and don't make any eye contact-lol.

 

Uh huh! Don't make any sudden movements...I'm waiting for his tranquilizer to kick in so I can use him in another of my evil experiments...muwahahahahaha!

[snafu]

Good idea. Just agree with everything the crazy, homeless man says and don't make any eye contact-lol.

 

Your mean. And when he pulls into the bushes and has his way with you I hope you won't be able to identify him!

[mercury]

wow! 150K a year is now classified as lower middle class? I must be sub-low then.

[snafu]

wow! 150K a year is now classified as lower middle class? I must be sub-low then.

 

You do know that was a bull line by Obama don't you? Cap and Trade will put taxes on everybody. How do you think we're gonna pay for all this debt?

[Chi]

Your mean. And when he pulls into the bushes and has his way with you I hope you won't be able to identify him!

 

I will. It was the faceless man with the miniature weiner!

[ImWithStupid]

I will. It was the faceless man with the miniature weiner!

 

Line from Adventures of Ford Fairlane...

 

One of the Pussycats from Josie and the Pussycats, to Ford, "It looked like a dick, but only smaller".

[timesjoke]

You do know that was a bull line by Obama don't you? Cap and Trade will put taxes on everybody. How do you think we're gonna pay for all this debt?

 

Magic.......and hope

 

 

Oh......don't forget change.

[snafu]

Magic.......and hope

 

 

Oh......don't forget change.

 

A whole lot of change out of yours and my pocket.

[hugo]

Don't forget it was GW's expansion of medicaid that gave Obama the opportunity to declare our current healthcare system is unsustainable. Don't forget when we compare US vs. Canada healthcare systems we are simply comparing a 70% socialist system against a 90% socialist system.

[RoyalOrleans]

We've known for a while that Democrats love to appeal to emotion, rather than logic. This would be because liberalism is a philosophy based on emotion rather than fact rationality. We particularly discovered this during the last presidential campaign. That's why they have developed a particular fondness for focus groups ... and they are ecstatic when they discover words like "change" that can fit brilliantly on campaign signs.

 

So now the Democrats are trying to use the same tactic to pass their precious healthcare reform. Their goal: to dupe middle-class Americans into believing it will help them achieve a better level of healthcare then they presently receive.

 

Third Way, a think tank, is circulating a memo on Capitol Hill and through the administration explaining how Americans "need to be convinced of the value of what they are buying." Now here is the dangerous line, folks. The memo says, "Stability can offer that."

 

The American people are no longer in love with freedom. What the American people want is security ... another way of saying "stability" ... and that is exactly what the current Democrat Party plans to give 'em.

 

Now, back to this memo. Jim Kessler, who co-authored this memo, says "Most of the current words used to describe and sell reform are computational words -- cost, access, quality ... They are Mr. Spock words, not Dr. Spock words. ... You need to use terms that are warm, evocative and emotional." Here we go with this "emotional" versus "logical" argument again. Yeah ... terms like "change you can believe in."

 

The memo also offers Obama some suggestions on how to frame his message: "Stable coverage that cannot be taken away from you through life's ups and downs. Stable costs that won't eat away an increasing share of your paycheck. Stable quality so you can get the treatment you need, when you need it, and from the doctor you choose."

 

Apparently Democrats are catching on to this idea of stability. According to a June 23rd memo distributed to House Democrat Caucus members, "stability and peace of mind" are to be included its daily talking points. So there are now four buzz words for Obama's healthcare plan: cost, choice, quality -- and stability.

 

OK ... so let me play with this idea of a "stable" lifestyle for a moment. How would one define a stable lifestyle? Let's see ... you are guaranteed a place to live. That's stability, right? So, you have a place to live, what more could you want? How about a guarantee of three meals a day! Getting more stable all the time. Now let's throw in a guaranteed job, and just to top things off we'll include health care! Sound good? Well .. this wonderful "stable" lifestyle is available to you right now! Just commit a crime heinous enough to get you sent to prison.

 

That's what we're building for ourselves in America, folks. We're all going to have a life of security and stability in a gilded prison.

[timesjoke]

That's what we're building for ourselves in America, folks. We're all going to have a life of security and stability in a gilded prison.

 

And you have people like Bender who are educated enough to understand this fact but who believe that "security" is better than freedom.

 

 

I call it the castration of society, we are timid, weak, and need to be taken care of.

[phreakwars]

I never said anything about Americans being timid and weak, that's just how you guys view anyone not in your class. The poor already get subsidized, are THEY timid and weak?

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[timesjoke]

I never said anything about Americans being timid and weak, that's just how you guys view anyone not in your class. The poor already get subsidized, are THEY timid and weak?

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Yes.

 

The poor are poor because they want to be poor 99% of the time. Wallowing in their "downtrodden" status offers comfort. It is easier to complain and hold your hand out for "free" goodies from the Government than to actually go out there and work.

 

Again, Bender, you do not live the way you preach, I wonder at how you can work hard and take responsibility for your own prosperity but you also believe other people do not have the same ability you have.

[phreakwars]

99% are poor because they want to be?

 

There is no other rebuttal for you then, YOU ARE A FUKKIN JERK.

 

It's more like 99% are poor because people take for granted the remedial jobs they do that no one else wants to do, and pay them less. It's that whole class argument again. The lowly waitress at the coffee shop is not worthy of better wages, she is scum.

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