Minn. court rules for Franken in Senate fight

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lol, I am sure your not nieve enough to believe Fox is the only network that twists stories. Fox is the new kid on the block and the other networks have been doing this for as long as I can remember.

 

ABC, NBC, and CBS on top of CNN and MSNBC have all been in Obama's pocket for over a year and refuse to say anything negative about him, some have been twisting the truth about his health care and cap and trade deals from square one because they are all now no longer news agencies but instead extensions of the Democratic party.

 

An interesting side to that though, all these networks that have given up reporting news and turned into part of the Democrat party have terrible ratings on their news programs, I wonder why, lol.

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And an interesting twist to that, is these same people that give fox that high rating, voted DEMOCRAT as well. I wonder why?

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[timesjoke]

And an interesting twist to that, is these same people that give fox that high rating, voted DEMOCRAT as well. I wonder why?

 

Well I wonder what your source is for that, but it is a fact that Hillary got more fair treatment during her campaign from Fox than any other Network out there. The big Networks all wanted Obama to win so they were not shy about busting down everyone else even fellow Liberls in order to do everything they could to help Obama.......just like now.

 

While they are certainly more conservative leaning, Fox in not "in the can" for anyone to that point, maybe they will get that bad one day like the other Networks, but they are still babies on the market compared to the big Networks and beating them in many of the most valuable ratings so they must be doing something right.

 

So Bender, if what you say is true and the unbiased liberals are now turning to Fox for their news and such, what does that tell you about how badly corrupt the Democrat controlled Networks of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC really are?

 

 

 

 

One thing nice about the Liberals/Socialists getting full control is they can stop pretending everything is Bush's fault. Bush had a majority Congress as liberals so hardly any of this mess is really his doing anyway but now the Liberals own all brances of Government, they have nobody but themselves to blame.

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Well I wonder what your source is for that, but it is a fact that Hillary got more fair treatment during her campaign from Fox than any other Network out there. The big Networks all wanted Obama to win so they were not shy about busting down everyone else even fellow Liberls in order to do everything they could to help Obama.......just like now.

Yeah, Reverend wright on the screen every day with that same 10 second clip "GOD DAMN AMERICA" over and over... yeah... they were sure on Obama's side..

 

While they are certainly more conservative leaning, Fox in not "in the can" for anyone to that point, maybe they will get that bad one day like the other Networks, but they are still babies on the market compared to the big Networks and beating them in many of the most valuable ratings so they must be doing something right.

Bull . Hell they even ADMITTED they are a REPUBLICAN broadcasting station.

 

So Bender, if what you say is true and the unbiased liberals are now turning to Fox for their news and such, what does that tell you about how badly corrupt the Democrat controlled Networks of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC really are?

Actually, they turn to FOX to see what kind of horse trash talk is being spewed.

 

 

One thing nice about the Liberals/Socialists getting full control is they can stop pretending everything is Bush's fault. Bush had a majority Congress as liberals so hardly any of this mess is really his doing anyway but now the Liberals own all brances of Government, they have nobody but themselves to blame.

The Republican party is, if anything, the delusion party that wants all the glory and none of the guilt (might explain the god worshipping thing too).

 

Having an actual surplus, no credit to President Clinton... that was the Republicans in the house see.... 8 years of failed policy by Bush... oh that was all the fault of a 2 year house of Democrats see.

 

Now that we have full control, things will actually get done. Republicans will of course, be bitching and complaining the whole way, but in the end, when it works out for everyone including them, they'll be the first to talk and say "OH YEAH, I WAS ONE OF THE FEW WHO WANTED THIS, AND BLAH BLAH BLAH"

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The blue dog Dems may save us from being totally screwed.

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Just exactly how do you fix a mess by making it worse?

 

They are blindly tossing money at problems hoping an indicator will rise at the same time so they can claim victory. Maybe that was the real meaning behind Obama's "HOPE" message:

The only agenda is one of control over the masses, by controlling the banks, the production jobs, and even our medical care, they will control all the people.

And what do they want to do that for Mr. Alex Jones?

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Bla, Bla, Bla

 

All tired stuff Bender, you can't complain about Fox, the small time Network all on it's own against the purely Democratic controlled ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN. They all do way more twisting and lies in one day then Fox could ever do in a thousand years.....just look at the pandering way they are treating his healthcare bill and how you never hear anything negative about the cap and trade bill that is going to increase costs to the poor for basic needs like power many times over.

 

 

Actually, they turn to FOX to see what kind of horse trash talk is being spewed.

 

So the other Networks are so boring and corrupt they cannot stand to even look at the shows? Pretty sad, from my point of view, watching nothing would be better I would imagine if these guys were really thinking it was horse crap.

 

Clearly they are not doing that, obviously even the liberals are tired of the way these big players have all sold their souls to the Democratic party and stopped reporting the news.

 

Again, it is pretty bad that Hillery got more fair and open treatment on Fox than any of the other Networks, that proves they have sold out.

 

Having an actual surplus, no credit to President Clinton...

 

Actually I do give Clinton credit for that.

 

Do you think Obama is going to have a surplus after all this deficit spending he is pushing? We are already out of money, and Obama wants to dig the hole way, way deeper without a way to pay for it.

 

Obama is on track to quadruple the hole he "inherited" from Bush, is that an improvement in your eyes?

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All tired stuff Bender, you can't complain about Fox, the small time Network all on it's own against the purely Democratic controlled ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN. They all do way more twisting and lies in one day then Fox could ever do in a thousand years.....just look at the pandering way they are treating his healthcare bill and how you never hear anything negative about the cap and trade bill that is going to increase costs to the poor for basic needs like power many times over.

Oh I see, you wanna put a BLA BLA BLA in place of my quote so you can avoid the Reverend Wright fiasco that all the networks used fact that disproves your "LIBERAL MEDIA" claim

 

So the other Networks are so boring and corrupt they cannot stand to even look at the shows? Pretty sad, from my point of view, watching nothing would be better I would imagine if these guys were really thinking it was horse crap.

Actually, they don't wanna watch, but are forced to so they can time and time again keep debunking all the lies the Rupert Murdock channel spews.

 

Clearly they are not doing that, obviously even the liberals are tired of the way these big players have all sold their souls to the Democratic party and stopped reporting the news.

Clearly you don't watch any news program and only pick and choose the ones you think people watch and then turn around and claim EVERY program is "LIBERAL MEDIA"

 

Again, it is pretty bad that Hillery got more fair and open treatment on Fox than any of the other Networks, that proves they have sold out.

Again, what would they sell out for Mr. Alex Jones? That's a far fetched claim to back up.

 

Actually I do give Clinton credit for that.

 

Do you think Obama is going to have a surplus after all this deficit spending he is pushing? We are already out of money, and Obama wants to dig the hole way, way deeper without a way to pay for it.

 

Obama is on track to quadruple the hole he "inherited" from Bush, is that an improvement in your eyes?

 

Nope, not at all. In fact, I'm guessing he will have about a 20 trillion+ deficit. Maybe even 30 trillion. So what's the problem? Money isn't real. But that's the sad reality of what it's gonna cost to fix Bush's screw up. You Republicans drove the country into the ditch, why are you now complaining about the cost of the tow truck?

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Oh I see, you wanna put a BLA BLA BLA in place of my quote so you can avoid the Reverend Wright fiasco that all the networks used fact that disproves your "LIBERAL MEDIA" claim

 

Because it didn't happen. None of those Networks ran the Wright stuff very much, sure at first and a couple token airings of the video but that was only to keep people from all turning to Fox.

 

I gave you examples too, like the health "debate" Obama had and these sold out liberal networks just do whatever he tells them to do.

 

Actually, they don't wanna watch, but are forced to so they can time and time again keep debunking all the lies the Rupert Murdock channel spews.

 

Well they are not debunking much if what your saying here is an example of your debunking, lol.

 

Like they really want to give Fox billions of dollars from advertisers because of them all watching the shows........right.

 

 

Clearly you don't watch any news program and only pick and choose the ones you think people watch and then turn around and claim EVERY program is "LIBERAL MEDIA"

 

No I turn to unbised media watch groups that count how many positive reports compared to negative reports each Network does of things like the health bill and Obama in general. All but Fox have been showing Obama a 87% or higher positive twist to their story lineup and veer away from anything that shows Obama or his policies in a bad light.

 

Again, what would they sell out for Mr. Alex Jones? That's a far fetched claim to back up.

 

Nope, just difficult for you too see with your blinders on.

 

Nope, not at all. In fact, I'm guessing he will have about a 20 trillion+ deficit. Maybe even 30 trillion. So what's the problem? Money isn't real. But that's the sad reality of what it's gonna cost to fix Bush's screw up. You Republicans drove the country into the ditch, why are you now complaining about the cost of the tow truck?

 

Then why the bragg about Clinton having a surplus and Bush having a deficit. If your saying Obama's much, much worse deficit is fine then so was Bush's much smaller one.....right?

 

Or do you practice double standards for Liberals/socialists?

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Because it didn't happen. None of those Networks ran the Wright stuff very much, sure at first and a couple token airings of the video but that was only to keep people from all turning to Fox.

Are you smoking crack, I watched the myself night after night after night on all the networks EXCEPT Fox which I didn't tune into. Your "LIBERAL MEDIA" claim is an old, worn, tired, talking point, and an excuse to hate Obama. The media is NOT liberal, FOX just happens to be ALL RIGHTWING.

 

I gave you examples too, like the health "debate" Obama had and these sold out liberal networks just do whatever he tells them to do.

How bout the Church sponsored debate McCain had with him where McCain was pre read questions? More liberal media? Or are you gonna take the other path and deny it?

 

 

Well they are not debunking much if what your saying here is an example of your debunking, lol.

 

Like they really want to give Fox billions of dollars from advertisers because of them all watching the shows........right.

No, they need to watch for lies like this

 

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Notice the "D" next to Sanford's name? Fox news does like that CONSTANTLY. That's why you need watchdog groups to catch them on their BS lies.

 

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No I turn to unbised media watch groups that count how many positive reports compared to negative reports each Network does of things like the health bill and Obama in general. All but Fox have been showing Obama a 87% or higher positive twist to their story lineup and veer away from anything that shows Obama or his policies in a bad light.

What's the URL?

 

 

Nope, just difficult for you too see with your blinders on.

That was a blanket answer, not a real one. You can make these conspiracy claims and not back them up with any proof, reason, motive, or truth

 

Then why the bragg about Clinton having a surplus and Bush having a deficit. If your saying Obama's much, much worse deficit is fine then so was Bush's much smaller one.....right?

 

Or do you practice double standards for Liberals/socialists?

It's fine because of what he is using the money that he is spending for.

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Are you smoking crack, I watched the myself night after night after night on all the networks EXCEPT Fox which I didn't tune into. Your "LIBERAL MEDIA" claim is an old, worn, tired, talking point, and an excuse to hate Obama. The media is NOT liberal, FOX just happens to be ALL RIGHTWING.

 

Look, if your going to be so completely dishonest there really is no way to get through to you. There was no coverage as your describing, none, any claim by you that it did proves your just making stuff up.

 

 

How bout the Church sponsored debate McCain had with him where McCain was pre read questions? More liberal media? Or are you gonna take the other path and deny it?

 

Your gonna try to fly that after the 100% set up "town meeting" just happened? Please. Obama has messed up so many times in unscripted events like this they are now not allowing Obama to do them anymore. Now every question must be prescreened and a reply worked out ahead of time, and I bet you can't even say anything bad about that either can you?

 

In for a penny, in for a pound, that is the liberal way right?

 

No, they need to watch for lies like this

 

No lies, maybe a few mistakes but that hardly takes millions of viewers right? Your liberals are turning to Fox to watch the programming, that is making Fox billions of dollars, all these people would not being doing that if they hated Fox.....so try again.

 

 

What's the URL?

 

lol, no Bender, all the answers do not come from one place, you have to look around. I use many places like factcheck and even skewz can be a good place to get a big picture of many stories and how the general public see them.

 

In 2005 a guy named Tim Groseclose from ucla did a study where he proved the media bias. "Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left,"

 

Sense then many other studies have been done, I like this one a lot Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ) | Understanding News in the Information Age

They covered the 2008 election and found massive disparity in the number of positive stories for Obama and the negative stories about everyone else.

 

 

That was a blanket answer, not a real one. You can make these conspiracy claims and not back them up with any proof, reason, motive, or truth.

 

Because you do not want the answers anyway. Many great examples have already been offered and you ignore them all.

 

Power, the attainment and keeping of power Bender. Buying votes with unearned social entitlement programs that force the masses to be dependant on Government for everything vital for existence and then use scare tactce to stay in power because if you lose your power, they lose their "free" government goodies.

 

 

It's fine because of what he is using the money that he is spending for.

 

Oh, so lower deficits spent on conservative things is bad, much, much bigger deficits spent on social engineering programs is okay.....very open minded of you.........

 

What the money is spent on is meaningless if we bankrupt our Nation. Sooner or later China will stop buying our debt, the Euro will replace the USD as the World currency because Obama is devaluing the dollar faster then anyone ever thought possible.

 

Look at California, they are talking about shutting down their parks now.

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Look, if your going to be so completely dishonest there really is no way to get through to you. There was no coverage as your describing, none, any claim by you that it did proves your just making stuff up.

I saw this with my own fukking eyes and I'm making up?

 

Your gonna try to fly that after the 100% set up "town meeting" just happened? Please. Obama has messed up so many times in unscripted events like this they are now not allowing Obama to do them anymore. Now every question must be prescreened and a reply worked out ahead of time, and I bet you can't even say anything bad about that either can you?

 

In for a penny, in for a pound, that is the liberal way right?

Yes he kept messing up, you say so... yet, a MAJORITY , 365 ELECTORALS WORTH) still figured he was better then the competition, just can't get over that can you?

 

No lies, maybe a few mistakes but that hardly takes millions of viewers right? Your liberals are turning to Fox to watch the programming, that is making Fox billions of dollars, all these people would not being doing that if they hated Fox.....so try again.

I guess your too dumb to realize FOX NEWS even went to court for the right to LIE. The Media Can Legally Lie

 

 

lol, no Bender, all the answers do not come from one place, you have to look around. I use many places like factcheck and even skewz can be a good place to get a big picture of many stories and how the general public see them.

 

In 2005 a guy named Tim Groseclose from ucla did a study where he proved the media bias. "Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left,"

 

Sense then many other studies have been done, I like this one a lot Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ) | Understanding News in the Information Age

They covered the 2008 election and found massive disparity in the number of positive stories for Obama and the negative stories about everyone else.

In other words, your lying. The internet is free, surely you can list all those exciting study case URL's. I just checked out the one you posted. The only thing I saw on there was favoribility in jornalism, which doesn't mean jack... it might even possibly mean he's doing favorable work, which I'm sure you don't want to consider, you'd much rather scram "LIBERAL MEDIA"

 

 

That was a blanket answer, not a real one. You can make these conspiracy claims and not back them up with any proof, reason, motive, or truth.

 

Because you do not want the answers anyway. Many great examples have already been offered and you ignore them all.

 

Power, the attainment and keeping of power Bender. Buying votes with unearned social entitlement programs that force the masses to be dependant on Government for everything vital for existence and then use scare tactce to stay in power because if you lose your power, they lose their "free" government goodies.

You say so Alex.

 

Oh, so lower deficits spent on conservative things is bad, much, much bigger deficits spent on social engineering programs is okay.....very open minded of you.........

 

What the money is spent on is meaningless if we bankrupt our Nation. Sooner or later China will stop buying our debt, the Euro will replace the USD as the World currency because Obama is devaluing the dollar faster then anyone ever thought possible.

 

Look at California, they are talking about shutting down their parks now.

Conservative things? You mean like unnessesary wars and such? Yeah, I can kinda see why people would disagree with that.

 

I don't worry about America going bankrupt for the simple reason that the whole damn world is going bankrupt.

 

If I needed $100 for grocery's, and you needed $100 for food as well, and we both owed each other $100, If I go bankrupt does that help you any? You sure as hell won't be getting that $100 from me, that's for sure.

 

So why worry about it? Afraid your gonna have to eat Sushi someday Alex?

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I saw this with my own fukking eyes and I'm making up?

 

You want to lend more weight to the small coverage than was there so that is what your mind "wants" to remember but the coverage was very soft for Obama:

 

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Yes he kept messing up, you say so... yet, a MAJORITY , 365 ELECTORALS WORTH) still figured he was better then the competition, just can't get over that can you?

 

No, I have no issue with that, just pointing out that Obama is all makeup and practiced grace, when you catch him outside of his practiced facade, he screws up. So far he has borken most of his campaign promses from who he said he would not allow in his cabinet to things like having bills ready for public viewing before they are voted on to his promise to find bipartisan solutions to everythign then once he got power he ignored these promises.

 

 

I guess your too dumb to realize FOX NEWS even went to court for the right to LIE.

 

And had the full support from all media because they were all telling lies long before Fox even came to be, please stop pretending.

 

In other words, your lying. The internet is free, surely you can list all those exciting study case URL's. I just checked out the one you posted. The only thing I saw on there was favoribility in jornalism, which doesn't mean jack... it might even possibly mean he's doing favorable work, which I'm sure you don't want to consider, you'd much rather scram "LIBERAL MEDIA"

 

Please, I have no reason to lie, just google what you want to find, I do not deal well with the lazy, the link I gave you has lots of studies on how the media reported in certain ways at different times like this study on how the 2008 election was covered:

 

Winning the Media Campaign | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ)

 

Take some time and look around before you just assume it is bad. I knew you would not take the time to actually look around so why take my time to post links you will not look at anyway?

 

 

You say Alex.

 

Nice dodge of what you know you can't refute.

 

 

 

Conservative things? You mean like unnessesary wars and such? Yeah, I can kinda see why people would disagree with that.

 

I don't worry about America going bankrupt for the simple reason that the whole damn world is going bankrupt.

 

If I needed $100 for grocery's, and you needed $100 for food as well, and we both owed each other $100, If I go bankrupt does that help you any? You sure as hell won't be getting that $100 from me, that's for sure.

 

So why worry about it? Afraid your gonna have to eat Sushi someday Alex?

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Again you contradict yourself, if a deficit is bad for one group, it is bad for all. Obama wasted more tax money in two months of office than Bush spent in both Afganistan "AND" Iraq over 7 years.........so Obama is clearly jumping off the cliff.

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You want to lend more weight to the small coverage than was there so that is what your mind "wants" to remember but the coverage was very soft for Obama:

 

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Your trying to call one thing something else. I believe that chart says TONE OF COVERAGE. To me that just shows McCain had bad ideas, and everybody knew it

 

 

No, I have no issue with that, just pointing out that Obama is all makeup and practiced grace, when you catch him outside of his practiced facade, he screws up. So far he has borken most of his campaign promses from who he said he would not allow in his cabinet to things like having bills ready for public viewing before they are voted on to his promise to find bipartisan solutions to everythign then once he got power he ignored these promises.

And had the full support from all media because they were all telling lies long before Fox even came to be, please stop pretending.

He's broken 6 promises

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  End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
  
  
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  Allow five days of public comment before signing bills
  
  
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  Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials
  
  
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  Create a $3,000 tax credit for companies that add jobs
  
  
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  Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009
  
  
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  Recognize the Armenian genocide
  
  

 

Look it up, he made 500 of them:

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Barack Obama's Campaign Promises

 

 

 

Please, I have no reason to lie, just google what you want to find, I do not deal well with the lazy, the link I gave you has lots of studies on how the media reported in certain ways at different times like this study on how the 2008 election was covered:

 

Winning the Media Campaign | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ)

 

Take some time and look around before you just assume it is bad. I knew you would not take the time to actually look around so why take my time to post links you will not look at anyway?

You make a claim and can't even back it up with proper URL's then call me lazy? Sure TJ, sure. How about a google search term at least?

 

Nice dodge of what you know you can't refute.

I don't need to refute anything. I'm not the one believing in conspiracys.

 

Again you contradict yourself, if a deficit is bad for one group, it is bad for all. Obama wasted more tax money in two months of office than Bush spent in both Afganistan "AND" Iraq over 7 years.........so Obama is clearly jumping off the cliff.

 

IDIOT, I'll say it again. IT'S WHAT THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON. Not how much. If king George wouldn't have wasted our money and started a needless war in the first place, we wouldn't have this problem. And NOW Obama is FORCED into spending more money, no not on war, but on people. And now the Complaint is he's spending it on people from the Republicans... typical, just typical... it's OK to spend billions on war, but one thin dime on human beings to actually have a life is socialism.

 

GOD I am so glad we have a filibuster proof Senate now.

 

You and your Republican ilk just got downgraded. If anybody in America has any sense, you will forever remain the party who hates America and want to see it destroyed... JUST FOR POLITICAL POINTS.

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Bender. I've shown all this sh!t before, proving from an independent source that Fox news was the most balanced news source as far as both stories pro-Obama and pro-McCain stories but if you choose to ignore them, AGAIN, I guess that shows more to your character than that of any of these news sources.

 

You obviously can't see what is factually proven, right in front of your face and therefore, your opinion should also be judged as so.

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Fox news... a channel that went to court for the right to lie, who made constant mistakes like putting the letter "D" by the names of shamed Republicans or Republicans that aren't conforming, owned by a right winger who even SAYS it's a right wing channel... is the most balanced news.. And ALL THE REST aren't..

 

Hmm, yeah, your gonna need to try harder to convince me of that... strike that... you should try harder to convince yourself.

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Fox news... a channel that went to court for the right to lie, constant makes mistakes like putting the letter "D" by the names of shamed Republicans or Republicans that aren't conforming, owned by a right winger who even SAYS it's a right wing channel... is the most balanced news.. And ALL THE REST aren't..

 

Hmm, yeah, your gonna need to try harder to convince me of that... strike that... you should try harder to convince yourself.

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WTF You need to share the peyote.

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Lets see, I posted pictures of their lies, showed proof of them suing to lie to people, what do you need next, the youtube video of Murdock saying the station he owns is right wing?

 

I'm supposed to believe one station, out of all the flavors I have to choose from, is the only reliable one and all the rest aren't. Even though that one station has all those marks against them?

 

How do you sell that type of marketing to people anyway?

 

Yeah, we here at fox may have slipped up here, sued to talk trash there, and flat out stated we are this political affiliation, but trust us, were the most fair and balanced.... look, we even say so in our slogan!!

If ABC news does that, or if PBS did that, they wouldn't be viewed by me. How do you expect a station to live up to their claim of fair and balanced to keep people watching? Perhaps it's the lunatic fringe they call journalists that keep people watching.

 

It's nice to have people like John Stewart or even Colbert who keep it real and say "HEY, I'M AN ENTERTAINER, NOT A REPORTER" spew what they spew then these morons on Fox who want to try and set an Agenda with this country. You call THAT fair and balanced?

 

Or how about right wing entertainers who try setting an agenda? Like Rush.

 

That MORON even had the NERVE to try and blame Sanford's affair on Obama.

 

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I REALLY DO feel sorry for the Republican party. And believe it or not, in the back of my mind, I am rooting for them to actually make a comeback. I know I'll make more money with a Republican in office then I will a Democrat. I won't deny that. But this BITCHING AND COMPLAINING about every new policy from the current administration needs to stop. It's REALLY SAD that it needs to come down to needing that filibuster proof senate just to get anything done.

 

8, no make that 6, (if you want to get technical) years with 100% Republican control yielded failure and me being ashamed I voted for Bob Dole.

 

I don't have confidence in the leadership this country had... why should I have?

 

I remember being in my office tuned to FOX NEWS when the conflict in Iraq started. Actually, more like before that when they were after Bin Laden in Tora Bora. Fox news was THE channel to turn to for all the coverage. They even had reporters inside the cars while the troops were moving forward. My thoughts were GET BIN LADEN. I hear reports about how they almost have him, how they caught the #2 this or that general blah blah blah.. I was SO proud of Mr. Bush for sending those troops in to kill that fukker. I was mad at him for not doing it sooner. I thought him quite worthless up until that time for not doing more to "''PAY BACK" for 9/11. I'd think to myself.. "Common Bush, quit being a pussy, go kill us some Arabs".

 

Then I heard about Saddam and his BS. And I thought to myself..... "YEAH, BOMB THEM FUKKERS TOO, DIDN'T WE JUST WAR WITH THEM A FEW YEARS BACK, FUKKIN DESTROY IRAQ"

 

But HERE, is where you lost me, and millions of other free thinking American voters. Here is where I had second thoughts about having that Republican President.... OK, I admit it, I voted for George Bush the first time. It's frikken Nebraska... I vote what all the peeps around me vote.

 

George Bush had a VERY HIGH approval rating from both Republicans and Democrats during the 9/11 fiasco. Americans really were... not a blue or red state, but were the United States.

 

But anyways... I got suspicious, and rightfully so, the day when George Bush comes on my Fox News screen on my PC TV tuner, and tells me the Iraqi people are being oppressed and have the desire to be "LIBERATED".

 

This in itself was separate news from the thought that was really on my mind... "WHEN ARE THEY GONNA GET THAT FUKKER BIN LADEN"

 

When Americans like myself kept asking that question, it was right there at that point, the country started to divide.

 

As you can plainly see by the aftermath, the ones who kept asking the questions and criticizing were the ones who were correct all along.

 

It's really too bad that this politicized and divided America back into BLUE .vs RED.

 

Where we need to argue "FAMILY VALUES" to proclaim our political affiliation. Where every proposal from the Democrat side is "BAD" because it's a Democrat proposal. No broader look to how it might affect one personally to their advantage. It's just better to politicize it because of who's idea it was.

 

This PROBABLY wouldn't be an issue for me personally, except when I see EVERY DAMN DECISION made by the powers that be President, and congress alike within the last 8 years have either been a lie or a failure, have to throw out a vote of ZERO CONFIDENCE into the Republican party's ideals and feel it's best to step back, STFU, and let the NEW leadership do what it wants to do instead.

 

I just happen to SUPPORT the ideas of the new leadership, because it IS new leadership. You guys don't. You have more confidence in failed leadership, and LESS confidence in NEW leadership all because of political affiliation.

 

That's VERY sad for America. Politicizing it's growth potential. Why do Republicans hate America, more to the point, fellow Americans so much? I gotta wonder. Is money REALLY that important?

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[ImWithStupid]

I guess I'll have to wrap the aluminum foil on my head and then try to understand what you're getting at because I don't see many 'facts' here and if Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert are your main sources, I guess that answers a lot of my quesions..

 

Appearantly we are supposed to limit our opinions to staire.

 

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

I will say that reluctantly, both Stewart and Colbert, obviously painfully, are coming around and realizing Obama is fukking them too.

 

What seems to be my big problem and what you reluctanly seem to be understanding is, that it isn't just and anti-Obama thing, but it's a denial of no checks and balances.

 

You tried to bring up the 90s and the budget. You claim we denounce Clinton on the balanced budget, but we don't.

 

It was a combined effort of a "democratic exectutive brance" and a "republican congress' that made things work well. (ask Monica)

 

That was my biggest argument about Obmama before the election. We needed checks and balances because it wasn't working with a Rep Pres and Rep Congress, just as bad things will happen with a Dem Pres and Dem Congress.

[phreakwars]

Like I said, it's VERY SAD that it comes down to needing to block filibuster. The filibuster IS the check and balance. I also believe in needing that check and balance. The problem now is, we don't have that. What we have now is political opposition based on nothing but politics, and NOT the interest of the people. What's even more sad, is it's the Republicans who are doing it. By more and more Republican leaders representing themselves as the "PARTY OF NO" with a history of failures to back them up, the more ANY given Democrat idea, even if it's a bad one, looks appealing.

 

People look at that politicizing and say to Republicans. "YOU IDIOTS SCREWED UP ONCE ALREADY FOR YEARS, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK" And they say this BECAUSE Republicans politicize an issue. This is why Obama won, this is why we now have a filibuster proof senate. This is why Republicans must NOW rely on Blue Dog Democrats like Ben Nelson to keep their agenda alive.

 

I call that BIGOTRY, and it is the BIGGEST factor into as to why Republicans lost control. Politicized bigotry caused a black man with a Muslim sounding last name to get elected.

 

The rants of "MESSIAH", or "THE ONE", or even "SAVIOR" caused people to lose confidence in the sanity of Republican ideals. I know it caused me to lose confidence.

 

IWS, your my bro, and I owe alot of my personal struggles that plagued my mind and caused me internal dispair overcome by you. I LOVE arguing politics with you to kill the boredom. I'm probably an old fashioned Republican at heart, but I have a good understanding of the reality of the world around me. I understand I don't need a political belief and I don't need friends. But I do know that in my heart, I need to side with the people who are around me to make their lives better, even if it inconveniences my personal life, or even if they disagree with it making their life better only because freerepublic.com or other media resources tell them not to like it.

 

It's so easy to CLAIM why you don't like a plan and so easy to show why you think it will make "BIG BUSINESS" thrive, and so easy to CLAIM your in favor of these same assholes making tons of money, but REAL LIFE needs to kick in. You need to see, and actually be, in the other persons perspective to appreciate their complaint and appreciate their struggle.

 

It's WAY too easy to say someone is lazy, or not contributing to society and judge what benefits of living they should have while you bust your ass off trying to make ends meet.

 

That kind of classism simply needs to stop.

 

Hell, look at myself for example.

 

I used to work almost every day, I'd cover shifts for lazy employees, I'd work overtime just for the company.... and look what happened... the asshole owner of the place I worked for fukked up the business and left me without a job.

 

I was making decent money, I worked harder then anybody. Am I now LAZY & WORTHLESS because that asshole didn't know how to run a business and I now have to get a god damn unemployment check?

 

That I now have to resort to finding a job that pays ANYTHING just so I can make a god damn car payment? Don't even bring up getting insurance or paying my regular bills like lights and house.

 

 

I'm one of the LUCKY ones because my wife still works and gets insurance that she pays like $50 a fukking week for.

 

$200 a fukking month and we are LUCKY.

 

Lucky that it only costs us $15 to see the Dr.

 

Like we REALLY give a about waiting lines for a heart transplant.

 

If we had a way of NOT having to pay $200 a month for insurance, you bet your ass we would be ALL FOR a MEASLY increase in our taxes just to get a damn tooth pulled.

 

Who givesa ?

 

I know I won't. And I know even more I won't give a how much the insurance company or Hospital profits. I just want that Asthma medication for my son who needs a constant refill. I don't get that on JUST unemployment. I'm one of the LUCKY ones who can get it cheap but still has to pay for it because of my wife's insurance.

 

Why politicize that because it's a Democrat idea. It's SO EASY to target Canada's system, which IS flawed. But then... WE ARE NOT CANADA. I have faith that we have better leadership then that in America... You guys don't.

 

And I really don't care if that leadership is Democrat or Republican. You do, because FOX NEWS told you to care.

 

Like I said, it's a SAD SAD, day in America when we have no choice but rely on a filibuster proof senate to get anything done because Republicans want to play politics over caring about the well being of the American people.

 

I REALLY don't think a BLUE DOG such as Ben Nelson even has the nerve to vote against the will of the people. And I respect him for that.

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[ImWithStupid]

Like I said, it's VERY SAD that it comes down to needing to block filibuster. The filibuster IS the check and balance. I also believe in needing that check and balance. The problem now is, we don't have that. What we have now is political opposition based on nothing but politics, and NOT the interest of the people. What's even more sad, is it's the Republicans who are doing it. By more and more Republican leaders representing themselves as the "PARTY OF NO" with a history of failures to back them up, the more ANY given Democrat idea, even if it's a bad one, looks appealing.

 

People look at that politicizing and say to Republicans. "YOU IDIOTS SCREWED UP ONCE ALREADY FOR YEARS, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK" And they say this BECAUSE Republicans politicize an issue. This is why Obama won, this is why we now have a filibuster proof senate. This is why Republicans must NOW rely on Blue Dog Democrats like Ben Nelson to keep their agenda alive.

 

I call that BIGOTRY, and it is the BIGGEST factor into as to why Republicans lost control. Politicized bigotry caused a black man with a Muslim sounding last name to get elected.

 

The rants of "MESSIAH", or "THE ONE", or even "SAVIOR" caused people to lose confidence in the sanity of Republican ideals. I know it caused me to lose confidence.

 

IWS, your my bro, and I owe alot of my personal struggles that plagued my mind and caused me internal dispair overcome by you. I LOVE arguing politics with you to kill the boredom. I'm probably an old fashioned Republican at heart, but I have a good understanding of the reality of the world around me. I understand I don't need a political belief and I don't need friends. But I do know that in my heart, I need to side with the people who are around me to make their lives better, even if it inconveniences my personal life, or even if they disagree with it making their life better only because freerepublic.com or other media resources tell them not to like it.

 

It's so easy to CLAIM why you don't like a plan and so easy to show why you think it will make "BIG BUSINESS" thrive, and so easy to CLAIM your in favor of these same assholes making tons of money, but REAL LIFE needs to kick in. You need to see, and actually be, in the other persons perspective to appreciate their complaint and appreciate their struggle.

 

It's WAY too easy to say someone is lazy, or not contributing to society and judge what benefits of living they should have while you bust your ass off trying to make ends meet.

 

That kind of classism simply needs to stop.

 

Hell, look at myself for example.

 

I used to work almost every day, I'd cover shifts for lazy employees, I'd work overtime just for the company.... and look what happened... the asshole owner of the place I worked for fukked up the business and left me without a job.

 

I was making decent money, I worked harder then anybody. Am I now LAZY & WORTHLESS because that asshole didn't know how to run a business and I now have to get a god damn unemployment check?

 

That I now have to resort to finding a job that pays ANYTHING just so I can make a god damn car payment? Don't even bring up getting insurance or paying my regular bills like lights and house.

 

 

I'm one of the LUCKY ones because my wife still works and gets insurance that she pays like $50 a fukking week for.

 

$200 a fukking month and we are LUCKY.

 

Lucky that it only costs us $15 to see the Dr.

 

Like we REALLY give a about waiting lines for a heart transplant.

 

If we had a way of NOT having to pay $200 a month for insurance, you bet your ass we would be ALL FOR a MEASLY increase in our taxes just to get a damn tooth pulled.

 

Who givesa ?

 

I know I won't. And I know even more I won't give a how much the insurance company or Hospital profits. I just want that Asthma medication for my son who needs a constant refill. I don't get that on JUST unemployment. I'm one of the LUCKY ones who can get it cheap but still has to pay for it because of my wife's insurance.

 

Why politicize that because it's a Democrat idea. It's SO EASY to target Canada's system, which IS flawed. But then... WE ARE NOT CANADA. I have faith that we have better leadership then that in America... You guys don't.

 

And I really don't care if that leadership is Democrat or Republican. You do, because FOX NEWS told you to care.

 

Like I said, it's a SAD SAD, day in America when we have no choice but rely on a filibuster proof senate to get anything done because Republicans want to play politics over caring about the well being of the American people.

 

I REALLY don't think a BLUE DOG such as Ben Nelson even has the nerve to vote against the will of the people. And I respect him for that.

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That's my point. I don't want or not want something because it's a Dem or Repub idea.

 

I look at the plan and decide if it's the right idea. (not sure what Fox News has to do with it?)

 

Why is the admin pushing all this change so fast. They know they have a pass right now, but it's fading fast as people see what's happening.

 

In the end, that $200 a month for insurance will likely be small compared to your direct taxes if you're on the government plan or indirect if you are lucky enough to work where your employer still pays and you pay that $200 a month and also get taxed on the $600 a month the employer pays, as if it was in your paycheck.

 

It's an old line but it's true. If you think health insurance is expensive now, wait until it's "free".

[RoyalOrleans]

Like I said, it's VERY SAD that it comes down to needing to block filibuster. The filibuster IS the check and balance. I also believe in needing that check and balance. The problem now is, we don't have that. What we have now is political opposition based on nothing but politics, and NOT the interest of the people. What's even more sad, is it's the Republicans who are doing it. By more and more Republican leaders representing themselves as the "PARTY OF NO" with a history of failures to back them up, the more ANY given Democrat idea, even if it's a bad one, looks appealing.

 

People look at that politicizing and say to Republicans. "YOU IDIOTS SCREWED UP ONCE ALREADY FOR YEARS, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK" And they say this BECAUSE Republicans politicize an issue. This is why Obama won, this is why we now have a filibuster proof senate. This is why Republicans must NOW rely on Blue Dog Democrats like Ben Nelson to keep their agenda alive.

 

I call that BIGOTRY, and it is the BIGGEST factor into as to why Republicans lost control. Politicized bigotry caused a black man with a Muslim sounding last name to get elected.

 

The rants of "MESSIAH", or "THE ONE", or even "SAVIOR" caused people to lose confidence in the sanity of Republican ideals. I know it caused me to lose confidence.

 

IWS, your my bro, and I owe alot of my personal struggles that plagued my mind and caused me internal dispair overcome by you. I LOVE arguing politics with you to kill the boredom. I'm probably an old fashioned Republican at heart, but I have a good understanding of the reality of the world around me. I understand I don't need a political belief and I don't need friends. But I do know that in my heart, I need to side with the people who are around me to make their lives better, even if it inconveniences my personal life, or even if they disagree with it making their life better only because freerepublic.com or other media resources tell them not to like it.

 

It's so easy to CLAIM why you don't like a plan and so easy to show why you think it will make "BIG BUSINESS" thrive, and so easy to CLAIM your in favor of these same assholes making tons of money, but REAL LIFE needs to kick in. You need to see, and actually be, in the other persons perspective to appreciate their complaint and appreciate their struggle.

 

It's WAY too easy to say someone is lazy, or not contributing to society and judge what benefits of living they should have while you bust your ass off trying to make ends meet.

 

That kind of classism simply needs to stop.

 

Hell, look at myself for example.

 

I used to work almost every day, I'd cover shifts for lazy employees, I'd work overtime just for the company.... and look what happened... the asshole owner of the place I worked for fukked up the business and left me without a job.

 

I was making decent money, I worked harder then anybody. Am I now LAZY & WORTHLESS because that asshole didn't know how to run a business and I now have to get a god damn unemployment check?

 

That I now have to resort to finding a job that pays ANYTHING just so I can make a god damn car payment? Don't even bring up getting insurance or paying my regular bills like lights and house.

 

 

I'm one of the LUCKY ones because my wife still works and gets insurance that she pays like $50 a fukking week for.

 

$200 a fukking month and we are LUCKY.

 

Lucky that it only costs us $15 to see the Dr.

 

Like we REALLY give a about waiting lines for a heart transplant.

 

If we had a way of NOT having to pay $200 a month for insurance, you bet your ass we would be ALL FOR a MEASLY increase in our taxes just to get a damn tooth pulled.

 

Who givesa ?

 

I know I won't. And I know even more I won't give a how much the insurance company or Hospital profits. I just want that Asthma medication for my son who needs a constant refill. I don't get that on JUST unemployment. I'm one of the LUCKY ones who can get it cheap but still has to pay for it because of my wife's insurance.

 

Why politicize that because it's a Democrat idea. It's SO EASY to target Canada's system, which IS flawed. But then... WE ARE NOT CANADA. I have faith that we have better leadership then that in America... You guys don't.

 

And I really don't care if that leadership is Democrat or Republican. You do, because FOX NEWS told you to care.

 

Like I said, it's a SAD SAD, day in America when we have no choice but rely on a filibuster proof senate to get anything done because Republicans want to play politics over caring about the well being of the American people.

 

I REALLY don't think a BLUE DOG such as Ben Nelson even has the nerve to vote against the will of the people. And I respect him for that.

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Well, if this is such a great idea to the Democrats, lets cut Ted Kennedy's care off right now. After all, he has a terminal diagnosis and they're just flushing money down the toilet to keep his bloated corpse alive.

[timesjoke]

It's WAY too easy to say someone is lazy, or not contributing to society and judge what benefits of living they should have while you bust your ass off trying to make ends meet.

 

Actually that is very easy, provide for yourself and everything else is easy. Not one person in the world "deserves" a free ride. I don't care how hard someone "thinks" they are trying, individual expended energy is irrelivant. Are you productive enough to support yourself....yes/no.

 

 

 

 

Hell, look at myself for example.

 

I used to work almost every day, I'd cover shifts for lazy employees, I'd work overtime just for the company.... and look what happened... the asshole owner of the place I worked for fukked up the business and left me without a job.

 

I was making decent money, I worked harder then anybody. Am I now LAZY & WORTHLESS because that asshole didn't know how to run a business and I now have to get a god damn unemployment check?

 

So did you save a big portion of that "decent money" just in case? Or did you spend it as fast as you made it?

 

Your story is a common one these days and I feel bad for all Americans who are in this situation but why should my tax dollars go to support your bad luck and lack of planning?

 

If that guy was so stupid and you are better then start your own business, if you can afford all the new taxes Obama will put on your back as a business owner that is. You say you worked 7 days a week sometimes and was so good then you simply pick up the pieces of the dropped customers and do it all yourself...maybe hire a couple other people to work for you that knew the clients and other aspects you do not understand.

 

 

If we had a way of NOT having to pay $200 a month for insurance, you bet your ass we would be ALL FOR a MEASLY increase in our taxes just to get a damn tooth pulled.

 

So you are only looking out for yourself, you don't care if at the same time you cost other people their jobs.....right?

 

By the way, if your out of work it is not your taxes getting increased, it is only those with non-Government jobs who pay the taxes. Government workers are paid from tax income so taking taxes from that is recycling the same dollar, that has no effect.

 

 

Why politicize that because it's a Democrat idea. It's SO EASY to target Canada's system, which IS flawed. But then... WE ARE NOT CANADA. I have faith that we have better leadership then that in America... You guys don't.

 

No because it is a horrible and wasteful idea that will hurt America and all Americans.

 

I REALLY don't think a BLUE DOG such as Ben Nelson even has the nerve to vote against the will of the people. And I respect him for that.

 

You respect a guy because he is too scared of a mob to stand up for what he believes in?

[ImWithStupid]

By the way, if your out of work it is not your taxes getting increased, it is only those with non-Government jobs who pay the taxes. Government workers are paid from tax income so taking taxes from that is recycling the same dollar, that has no effect.

 

 

That's odd. My paycheck is from the taxpayers of Platte County, Nebraska, but I swear I pay state and federal taxes, that go outside of Platte County.

[ImWithStupid]

I REALLY don't think a BLUE DOG such as Ben Nelson even has the nerve to vote against the will of the people. And I respect him for that.

 

You respect a guy because he is too scared of a mob to stand up for what he believes in?

 

I don't have any proof, but I would be willing to bet that a poll of Sen. Nelson's constituents would show the majority are against a single payer system. It really doesn't matter because Sen. Nelson has also said that if the plan includes a government option to compete against private business, he won't vote for it.

 

Nelson's problem, he told the CQ, is that the public plan would be too attractive and would hurt the private insurance plans. "At the end of the day, the public plan wins the game," Nelson said. Including a public option in a health plan, he said, was a "deal breaker."

A Nelson spokesman didn't return a call for comment.

As he so often does, Nelson said, according to CQ, that he planned to form a "coalition of like-minded centrists opposed to the creation of a public plan, as a counterweight to Democrats pushing for it."

Ben Nelson Plans To Oppose Public Health Plan

 

Ben Nelson has been a successful busness owner and understands how business works unlike nearly everyone in the Obama Administration or most in the Congress.