Gold diggers stink!

[Ahhlee]

"angry"

"getting all worked up"

"insecure"

"you like to blow up"

"your nasty ways"

"dishonest"

"brittle"

"out of control"

"out of balance"

"more volatile"

 

.........

 

All descriptions of me taken from TJ's last comment.

 

Today is not a good day. I really don't need someone attacking my personal integrity or trying to take me down a notch just for sport.

 

Perhaps I'll "debate" with you another day, TJ. Perhaps I won't.

 

All I know is, today is definitely out.

[timesjoke]

No hostility. It's just obvious that you made a declaration based on your belief or personal need, and since you believe it and need companionship, then everyone needs it.

 

No basis, just that if you say it, it must be true and if you repeat it it must be proof. Sorry but your comment set off my BS detector as having no basis, just an opinion that is trying to be passed off as fact.

 

Or maybe you do not want it to be true so your deluding yourself into believing your an island and do not need a companion?

 

What I said was true, my question to you is what part of it do you want me to prove because I can offer you many supporting facts for the various possitions of humans needing companionship and affection for their emotional wellbeing. This is basic psych class IWS, I learned this stuff as every day fact over 20 years ago, did you ever go to school?

 

 

Think of it this way, if your so happy being alone, why date? That right there proves my point. Clearly your desiring something more, even if your not sure what that 'more' might be.

 

As for the holocaust thing. First off, I didn't call you a holocaust denyer and secondly, it was a was a joke, but it appears that you still have thin skin and can't take a joke.

 

Funny how everyone else here can poke fun at themselves and accept a jab now and again from other members.

 

That must mean that everyone else is abnormal because obviously everything you do is normal.

 

I can take a joke if it is a joke, what you said was not a joke, you meant it.

 

I have an excellent sense of humor but people like yourself, eddo, and Ali are so thin skinned you are the ones who can't take it.

 

I am not the one who gets angry and strikes out trying to hurt people, you three do.

 

 

 

 

Time and time again you guys insert things I never said so you have an excuse to be angry. Where did I ever say you were bad people for choosing to be alone? Ali accused me of saying you guys were "foolish" and needed to "conform" but where did I ever say that to either of you two?

 

The answer is I never did say anything like that, so why are you so upset?

[eddo]

TJ, and this may come as a shock to you, but (and I speak for only me here, but I think Ali and IWS and many many others feel the same) have rarely, if ever been upset at you.

 

The issue, as I see it is that you just don't know how to take a joke online, and much of what we say in humor you take wrong.

 

 

I do, however, love pushing your buttons and helping you make yourself look like an ass.

 

 

I also love how you keep saying that WE insert things into what you say, when you're the bona fide king of doing just that. but whatever. Life is too short to allow you to upset me, so please do not appoint yourself with that much importance in my life.

 

Thanks.

[ImWithStupid]

Or maybe you do not want it to be true so your deluding yourself into believing your an island and do not need a companion?

 

What I said was true, my question to you is what part of it do you want me to prove because I can offer you many supporting facts for the various possitions of humans needing companionship and affection for their emotional wellbeing. This is basic psych class IWS, I learned this stuff as every day fact over 20 years ago, did you ever go to school?

 

 

Think of it this way, if your so happy being alone, why date? That right there proves my point. Clearly your desiring something more, even if your not sure what that 'more' might be.

 

I never said what side I was taking and really don't have an opinion either way. I just want to you to prove your claim.

 

Just like you saying it over and over, now saying it's basic psych doesn't answer the question.

 

Prove your claim that nobody was meant to be alone and that companionship is a need and if you don't have it you can't be normal.

 

I can take a joke if it is a joke, what you said was not a joke, you meant it.

 

I have an excellent sense of humor but people like yourself, eddo, and Ali are so thin skinned you are the ones who can't take it.

 

I am not the one who gets angry and strikes out trying to hurt people, you three do.

 

No it was a joke, and it was obvious to everyone else that I was just playing off of the post before mine.

 

Don't worry. I won't joke around with you again. Obviously you can't take a joke.

 

 

Time and time again you guys insert things I never said so you have an excuse to be angry. Where did I ever say you were bad people for choosing to be alone? Ali accused me of saying you guys were "foolish" and needed to "conform" but where did I ever say that to either of you two?

 

The answer is I never did say anything like that, so why are you so upset?

 

 

I have no idea what the frack you're talking about and challenge you to find one time I inserted anything into what you said.

 

If in fact I did do it, it was unintentionaly and my God isn't that the biggest pot calling the kettle black scenario I've seen in a long time. You can't go through a thread that you're challenged on to claim someone did or said something they didn't do. i.e. telling me that I wasn't joking and meant what I posted and you were even wrong about what you said I posted.

[timesjoke]

eddo, when was the last time you said something nice to or about me?

 

I belive it was just a little over a year ago.

 

Why would I have any expectation that you were ever joking with me? The same goes for IWS and Ali. You want to claim your joking but there is not one shread of niceness from any of you tword me ever.

 

 

On the other hand I have said many nice things about Ali and IWs, you not as much because you don't post unless it is to kiss Ali's behind or to give me crap these days so there is not so much to compliment you on.

 

 

I don't ever get angry and direct abuse tword you guys, but you guys give me crud all the time so again, why would I ever expect a joke from people who are always so critical and nasty tword me every chance they get?

 

 

There is an old rule, the one getting pissed off is the one with the problem.

 

 

 

And no, I do not put words in anyone's mouth. I do make observations from what they say, like when Ali said "I don't need a man sitting beside me on the couch complaining that I didn't put enough pickles on his sandwich to make me happy....I can tell you that right now." That was clearly Ali saying that in her opinion, that is what all men do, and all they have to offer her.

 

It was her words about men, not mine.

 

On the other side, she gets upset and tears into me for saying she was "foolish" and should "conform" but the problem is........I never said that.

 

Why go off the deepend?

 

Again the defining line is the hostility, I never cross that line, you three cross it all the time.

[timesjoke]

Prove your claim that nobody was meant to be alone and that companionship is a need and if you don't have it you can't be normal.

 

I just did, you and Ali have spoken of dating, if you were so happy being completely alone you would never date, case closed. Any other question is simply acting stupid and playing games....as usual.

 

 

No it was a joke, and it was obvious to everyone else that I was just playing off of the post before mine.

 

Don't worry. I won't joke around with you again. Obviously you can't take a joke.

 

No, it was not a joke, you have done this to me many, many times and your never jokeing, not once. As I pointed out to eddo, being as you have never, not once shown me a single ounce of kindless why would I ever expect a joke from you?

 

 

I have no idea what the frack you're talking about and challenge you to find one time I inserted anything into what you said.

 

Easy enough:

 

Prove your claim that nobody was meant to be alone and that companionship is a need and if you don't have it you can't be normal.

 

I have never said if you don't have companionship that you can't be normal.

 

You and the rest do this in almost every post you make.

 

 

I said companionship was a need, but just like food and shelter are needs, people can survive for periods of time without these things as well. Your twisting my words to mean something I never said.

[ImWithStupid]

I just did, you and Ali have spoken of dating, if you were so happy being completely alone you would never date, case closed. Any other question is simply acting stupid and playing games....as usual.

 

I'm not sure what planet you're from but just saying that myself and Ali have dated, doesn't prove that companionship is a need.

 

That's just you saying, "its a fact because I said so", in a different way.

 

You said...

 

I can offer you many supporting facts for the various possitions of humans needing companionship and affection for their emotional wellbeing. This is basic psych class IWS

 

I'm still waiting. If it's so basic and fact, why the problem citing a source of proof? (nice attempt at a backhanded put down by insinuating that I'm not educated though.)

 

 

No, it was not a joke, you have done this to me many, many times and your never jokeing, not once. As I pointed out to eddo, being as you have never, not once shown me a single ounce of kindless why would I ever expect a joke from you?

 

That's right, I forgot you're the guy who thinks he knows better than anyone else what they think or feel.

 

 

 

Easy enough:

 

I have never said if you don't have companionship that you can't be normal.

 

You and the rest do this in almost every post you make.

 

I said companionship was a need, but just like food and shelter are needs, people can survive for periods of time without these things as well. Your twisting my words to mean something I never said.

 

 

Never?

 

I said nobody is meant to be alone (listen up IWS, this is for you too).

 

Our emotions are every bit as much a part of our being as our heart and trying to ignore or set aside our emotional health is not natural. Sure many people detach in many ways on the emotional side but there are usually big changes if they try to sustain that state for very long.

 

Our emotions need companionship to sustain some semblance of normalcy.

 

I guess it was harder than you thought.

 

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So sorry. Please try again.

[phreakwars]

Is it team up on TJ day? Wow, why wasn't I told?

.

.

[timesjoke]

I'm not sure what planet you're from but just saying that myself and Ali have dated, doesn't prove that companionship is a need.

 

That's just you saying, "its a fact because I said so", in a different way.

 

I'm still waiting. If it's so basic and fact, why the problem citing a source of proof? (nice attempt at a backhanded put down by insinuating that I'm not educated though.)

 

No, I don't need to insult anyone, maybe that is your intentions, but not mine.

 

I just did prove it Joe. Why would you both date if it is not a need? Obviously being alone is not what you need. If you two were not such a great example I would post a few textbook passges but clearly that is not needed, you already made my point for me.

 

 

 

That's right, I forgot you're the guy who thinks he knows better than anyone else what they think or feel.

 

No, I am the guy who is on the receiving end of a constant stream of negative so I know you never show me even a tiny speck of kindness so why should I ever expect a joke from you?

 

Answer that question Joe, why would I expect a joke from you, any of you, when the only thing you have ever shown me is negative?

 

 

 

 

Never?

 

I guess it was harder than you thought.

 

So sorry. Please try again.

 

You see, there you prove it yourself, I never said you could not be normal, so where is your appology?

[timesjoke]

Is it team up on TJ day? Wow, why wasn't I told?

.

.

 

lol, that is an every day game Bender, I am sure your welcome to join in.

[eddo]

eddo, when was the last time you said something nice to or about me?

 

I belive it was just a little over a year ago.

 

ummm, I gave you positive rep for a post you made no less than 48 hours ago.

 

so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

 

 

Why would I have any expectation that you were ever joking with me? The same goes for IWS and Ali. You want to claim your joking but there is not one shread of niceness from any of you tword me ever.

 

Sorry for not being nice to you ever, ever, ever, ever.

 

I'm a bad man. Would you like me to get you a refill on your midol?

 

 

 

There is an old rule, the one getting pissed off is the one with the problem.

 

The only one I see getting remotely pissed off is you. You are the one dragging stuff all over the place (Personally, I cannot believe you are still going on about someone, somewhere, at sometime calling Tami a whore,) not listening to what is being said, and putting words into the mouths of others. Classic signs of being upset if you ask me.

 

 

And no, I do not put words in anyone's mouth. I do make observations from what they say, like when Ali said "I don't need a man sitting beside me on the couch complaining that I didn't put enough pickles on his sandwich to make me happy....I can tell you that right now." That was clearly Ali saying that in her opinion, that is what all men do, and all they have to offer her.

 

It was her words about men, not mine.

 

do you read your own bullcrap? If not, why do you expect us to read it if you won't? If so- are you really that dense?

[timesjoke]

ummm, I gave you positive rep for a post you made no less than 48 hours ago.

 

so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

And you gave me negative rep for pm threats Ali claimed I did but that never happened, so they offset and even without that rep is done in private, not public.

 

Everything you say to or about me in public is negative.

 

 

 

 

Sorry for not being nice to you ever, ever, ever, ever.

 

I'm a bad man. Would you like me to get you a refill on your midol?

 

please, I am only pointing out the reality of playing or joking with people. Why would I ever expect a joke from any of you when your always so negative to me? Joking is a kind of friendship, you have never shown any other form of friendship tword me so why would I thing anything said is a joke?

 

 

 

 

The only one I see getting remotely pissed off is you. You are the one dragging stuff all over the place (Personally, I cannot believe you are still going on about someone, somewhere, at sometime calling Tami a whore,) not listening to what is being said, and putting words into the mouths of others. Classic signs of being upset if you ask me.

 

I am not angry, there is nobody over the internet who can make me upset eddo. You guys are the ones being so negative, not me.

 

Your also the ones not listening to what is said. I say one thing then you twist that like Ali's claim I said she had to "conform" or was "foolish" when I never said that in any way or form. What your claiming I do is what you guys are doing.

 

 

 

do you read your own bullcrap? If not, why do you expect us to read it if you won't? If so- are you really that dense?

 

More kind words I see, lol.

 

Now I see why a certain person was always chasing you around about how you behave eddo. On two forums now I have seen you suck up to Ali and chase your shared agenda and grudges to the extreme. You never even read what is said and instead just insert what you want to believe I said and then attack me for it.

 

 

Again, with all that, why would I ever expect a joke from you?

[eddo]

blah blah blahdidablah

 

 

Seriously TJ, you want me to get you more Midol? I'm going to the store anyway...

[timesjoke]

Seriously TJ, you want me to get you more Midol? I'm going to the store anyway...

 

And you seem surprised when I say I never expect a joke from you?

[ImWithStupid]

No, I don't need to insult anyone, maybe that is your intentions, but not mine.

 

I just did prove it Joe. Why would you both date if it is not a need? Obviously being alone is not what you need. If you two were not such a great example I would post a few textbook passges but clearly that is not needed, you already made my point for me.

 

Nope. You attempted to insult me when you questioned if I ever went to school. There's no other way to take that, I know what you meant, you can claim whatever you want but I know what you were implying.

 

Anyway. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

 

Just saying that because I date, that proves your point that all humans need companionship is like me saying that just because one person gives oral sex means everyone does.

 

Now. Cite these textbooks with verifiable on line references to the exact text.

 

No, I am the guy who is on the receiving end of a constant stream of negative so I know you never show me even a tiny speck of kindness so why should I ever expect a joke from you?

 

Answer that question Joe, why would I expect a joke from you, any of you, when the only thing you have ever shown me is negative?

 

Because since you've been back (which was mostly my idea by the way) I've done nothing to you that was anything but interact in a civil manner. I even went out of my way on another thread when you started your whole, "I know you better than you do" act and just quit replying and thought that after some time of me not doing anything, you'd be able to take a friggin' joke.

 

I guess fragile egos last forever.

 

I challenge you to find one time since you were allowed back that I attacked you or treated you in any manner different from anyone else.

You see, there you prove it yourself, I never said you could not be normal, so where is your appology?

 

 

Yea. I even posted your words in red where you said just that.

[RoyalOrleans]

tword

 

What the fukk is a "tword"?

[ImWithStupid]

What the fukk is a "tword"?

 

 

Not sure, but I just assumed it was a sword made out of a turd. It didn't make sense to me either, but I went with that definition.

[eddo]

isn't "t w a t" the t-word?

[timesjoke]

Nope. You attempted to insult me when you questioned if I ever went to school. There's no other way to take that, I know what you meant, you can claim whatever you want but I know what you were implying.

 

Anyway. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

 

Just saying that because I date, that proves your point that all humans need companionship is like me saying that just because one person gives oral sex means everyone does.

 

Now. Cite these textbooks with verifiable on line references to the exact text.

 

Now your just being a smart butt, trying to waste my time, if I had any real thought you were genuinely asking an honest question I would gladly do this for you but I will not wast my time on someone being a wise cracker.

 

 

I proved my point through your own need to date. You and Ali are the only two people saying your completely happy being alone and yet you both date, now why would anyone who is happy search for change on such a massive scale? Even those people who do not have standard likes in the relationship department are constantly looking for their idea of companionship so where is this example of humans being happy all alone?

 

 

 

 

Because since you've been back (which was mostly my idea by the way) I've done nothing to you that was anything but interact in a civil manner. I even went out of my way on another thread when you started your whole, "I know you better than you do" act and just quit replying and thought that after some time of me not doing anything, you'd be able to take a friggin' joke.

 

I guess fragile egos last forever.

 

I challenge you to find one time since you were allowed back that I attacked you or treated you in any manner different from anyone else.

 

Pointing out your behaviors is not any indication of weakness on my part Joe. I am just telling thing the way they are, my view of them or if they hurt me are not indicated by just pointing these facts out.

 

But I did miss something from your earlier comment I should have picked up on.

 

You said you were just following the post before your post.......that is pretty significant because that proves you were not trying to joke with me but instead you were just following suit with the slam on me by someone else.

 

 

So again, the same question I keep asking eddo........why would I ever expect a reiendly joke from you? What in your behavior toward me has given me the belief you would ever be friendly to me?

 

 

Yea. I even posted your words in red where you said just that.

 

What you posted proved I did not say that Joe.

 

I never said you could not be normal, I said emotions were part of being normal and companionship was part of our emotional stability. You date because you already feel the emotional segment missing from your life so you are already normal.

 

Trying to "erase" your emotional side would mean you were not normal.

[ImWithStupid]

I proved my point through your own need to date. You and Ali are the only two people saying your completely happy being alone and yet you both date, now why would anyone who is happy search for change on such a massive scale? Even those people who do not have standard likes in the relationship department are constantly looking for their idea of companionship so where is this example of humans being happy all alone?

 

 

Why the dodge?

 

Why can't you answer a direct question?

 

Where is all this text book, psychological proof you keep saying is out there.

 

I think it's obvious you can't back your statement and you did what you so often do, and tried to pass your "opinion" off as "fact" and hoped nobody would challenge it.

 

Just because someone does something doesn't make it a need.

 

I'll take it as an epic failure on your part and end it here.

[Ahhlee]

I apologize that I am not quoting previous posts here, but I have to make this a quickie.....heh.

 

1) I am SO sorry I used the words "foolish" and "conform". The words TJ actually used were "silly" and "not natural" (indicating one needs to CONFORM to return to a more "natural" state). I am a terrible person and should be severely spanked for my grievous error.

 

2) I don't use how much money a man spends on me during a date as some kind of measuring tool to gauge his worth as a person. What I'm really looking for is how much of himself he's willing to invest in me. Hell, if he took me for a long walk around the lake on a first date, I'd be thrilled! That shows he has an appreciation for nature and wanted to really get to know me. If he took me to a petting zoo because he was watching his 4 year old niece that day, I would be ecstatic! That again shows an appreciation for nature, animals, children and I'd love that he wanted to include me in that mix. To be honest, I think a "dinner and a movie" date is the most boring, cliche thing there is....but that's just me because I'm not the gold digging type.

 

3) People don't use dating exclusively as a means to find a long term partner. I, like many, view dating as a source to meet new people, attend public functions, tap some ass and/or do some networking among other reasons. Some definitely use dating to find their soul mate, but not all, and not all the time.

 

I will agree that human beings need some sort of contact with others throughout their lifetime. Certainly! But people do not NEED a long term partner. People NEED food, water and shelter to survive. They NEED some kind of human contact to learn how to...well, be human! But people don't NEED one person in their life for the long haul. There are many people who have lived alone (i.e. remained single) and managed to survive just fine.

 

I can't speak for IWS, but I have made the decision to remain single because that's what works for me. Will I still date? Yes, but again, it would be as a means to meet new people and network...NOT as a means to get married / find SOMEBODY / etc...

 

I guess that blows your concrete "proof" out of the water, huh TJ? Now about all those verifiable texts you could so "easily" provide.......????

 

4) You want me to stand up for you? Earn it.

 

5) My "a man on the couch next to me complaining about the pickles on his sandwich" was a very tongue in cheek statement. Anyone who knows me would see I was being facetious with that comment and not making a slam against ALL men.

 

6) Society (and you made this point in the shoutbox one day) says that people who choose to remain single are "selfish". Really? Sure, I like being able to do what I want, how I want, where I want, when I want and who I want, but that's not the sole reason why I'm choosing to be alone. I've been sorely misused in the past and frankly, I'm not good for anybody...and I accept that! I'm doing the world a favor and sparing a good man from the annoyance, frustration and torture of trying to be with me for the long haul. Even YOU should appreciate that bottom line, TJ!

 

That's pretty fukking UNselfish, if you ask me.

[timesjoke]

IWS and Ali, my point still stands, semantics aside, there is something inside you wanting companionship so that is why your dating.

 

If you were 100% happy with your current situations, you would not date, pretty simple.

 

I point to your earlier comment about how you find all your companionship in family and friends.......but if this is true, and you get everything you need already, then there is no need to date....right?

 

Obviously your looking for more.

 

 

 

Ali, I never called you a gold digger, I was just pointing out you said in your own words that you expected men to pay your way on the first few dates, that shows that you still place a monetary requirement on the men your willing to date. Let's say a nice guy wanted to date you but could not afford to pay your way, what then?

 

Would you even notice a guy like that? Shrug him off as a loser? There is nothing wrong with having standards Ali, I am making a point that we all set them in one form or another. So I guess I am saying that the degree of the standard is most likely where people would not agree.

 

You want a man who will provide you with free entertainment and meals at least for the first few dates. Another woman might want a guy who can provide her with a new car. In comparison there is a dollar difference but both are setting a standard so the mindset is the same.

 

 

If you say your man on the couch comment was just a joke I appoligize but you said it at the same time you never make general statements so I thought it was funny really that you would claim to never make general statements then make one, lol.

 

 

 

I will go back to my earlier comment though, how can I discuss "general" subjects with you if you will only look to the exceptions?

 

My example was men who like having sex with women, on the general side this is true for the mass majority of men but as you point out, there are exceptions like in this case some men prefer to date other men.

 

 

If you cannot discuss the "general" truths for society, then why even get involved? I easily admit that there are exceptions to every rule, but the exceptions do not erase the rule as your trying to say in almost all of these discussions Ali.

 

I am not trying to give you a hard time, but I do not understand why you refuse to admit the "general truths" of the majority in these discussions.

[eddo]

TJ found him a woman that wanted fake knockers.

 

 

Just making an observation to help everyone understand where he comes from on the issue of gold digging women folk...

[RoyalOrleans]

I am perfectly happy with my situation.

 

Single.

 

Not looking for relationship.

 

Casual sex here and there.

 

I don't need anyone to define me.

[timesjoke]

TJ found him a woman that wanted fake knockers.

 

 

Just making an observation to help everyone understand where he comes from on the issue of gold digging women folk...

 

Now this is a great point about how your always completely negative to me eddo.

 

How long were me and Tami together before we got her new boobs? Do you know? So how do you know what Tami was looking for in a man? You should know part of the situation because I told you all about how it came to be as a joke we had when a local radio station was giving away a free set of boobies in a contest so the idea was planted by that, it was not a precondition of us getting together as your claiming.

 

Why are you and a couple other people so preoccupied with trying to take shots at Tami?