Obama remark on black scholar's arrest angers cops

[timesjoke]

Yes, they most certainly are human. And I applaud him for being a fukken human being, but he is also a civil servant who is paid with tax payer dollars. A little humility and restraint goes a long way.

 

The number one reason that kept me from pursuing a career in law enforcement, or related fields, after my service in the Gulf, was the urge to beat on certain types.

 

I believe the officer used a lot more restraint than any human should have to RO.

 

He has a job to do, he was trying to do that job in an honest way and had a crazy racist start screaming at him without good cause.

 

 

I do not believe police should be punching bags.

 

 

 

 

 

Think about it this way, the more we treat cops as if they are door mats, the less likely we will be at keeping and recruting good people. It is like politics, on average good people do not want to subject their lives to that kind of microscope life so we end up with mostly scam artists and selfish people who have clean criminal records, not people who are really good at managing things.

 

 

You said yourself, some types need a beating in your opinion, well cops can't beat them, but they can arrest them and offer them an attitude check that way, and that is what this officer did.

 

 

 

Gates was begging for attention, and after what is clearly shown to be a massive amount of begging by Gates, the officer gave him waht he was begging for.

 

 

100% of the blame for Gates losing his cool belongs to Gates himself.

[RoyalOrleans]

I believe the officer used a lot more restraint than any human should have to RO.

 

He has a job to do, he was trying to do that job in an honest way and had a crazy racist start screaming at him without good cause.

 

 

I do not believe police should be punching bags.

 

 

 

 

 

Think about it this way, the more we treat cops as if they are door mats, the less likely we will be at keeping and recruting good people. It is like politics, on average good people do not want to subject their lives to that kind of microscope life so we end up with mostly scam artists and selfish people who have clean criminal records, not people who are really good at managing things.

 

 

You said yourself, some types need a beating in your opinion, well cops can't beat them, but they can arrest them and offer them an attitude check that way, and that is what this officer did.

 

 

 

Gates was begging for attention, and after what is clearly shown to be a massive amount of begging by Gates, the officer gave him waht he was begging for.

 

 

100% of the blame for Gates losing his cool belongs to Gates himself.

 

Bottom line:

 

I certainly would not behave as the Professor did, and I would indeed be grateful and polite to the cops and the neighbor for looking out for me, but that's not the point and neither is the professor's belligerence and racial freak-out.

 

I am not advocating rudeness to the police who have to deal with all kinds of crap each day, not in the least. But if a man wants to act like a disrespectful asshole on his own property, it is his right to do so.

 

Even assholes have rights.

 

So.... drop it, TJ. You have talked the same points ad nauseum and quite frankly, you sound like a duck. Quack!

 

Why'd I say that? I know you're not big enough to drop the issue and move on. Nope. You'll harp on the issue until IWS or Bender closes the thread, because that is the kind of asshole you are.

 

So let's hear it... you blabbermouth, can't-shut-up, cokksucker...

[timesjoke]

 

 

Why'd I say that? I know you're not big enough to drop the issue and move on. Nope. You'll harp on the issue until IWS or Bender closes the thread, because that is the kind of asshole you are.

 

So let's hear it... you blabbermouth, can't-shut-up, cokksucker...

 

So if you reply to me that is good....if I reply to you I am a blabbermouth who can't let things go?

 

Why did you have to chime in them? Why not keep your views to yourself? You show me how big you are by not making "THIS" post.

 

OOPS......you just had to post though didn't you RO?

 

Too much to resist?

 

Your harping on the issue just as much as me so take your high horse and ride on down the road if you can't handle it my friend.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, the "ONLY" reason I am still posting on it is because of Hugo's comment that the cop provoked Gates to explode. I have asked Hugo several times to address this comment but he refuses to describe why it is wrong for a police officer to ask for identification with an address when he is responding to this kind of call.

 

 

What is it about asking for the identification justified Gates to call the officer a racist and start screaming and yelling at the officer? This is the question I have asked many times and Hugo dodges........

 

 

So fine, I can let that go because obviously if Hugo had a reasonable explanation for his claim that asking for identification justifies people to explode at cops he would already have offered it instead of dodging my direct question.

 

 

 

 

Gates was wrong, and he got what he deserved, I believe dropping the case was right also, to me riding in the squad car wearing cuffs was a great first step to trying to address poor behaviors from a person. If he should continue to act this way then actual charges might be needed to further discourage this kind of behavior out of him or anyone else in the same situation.

 

 

 

I believe IWS made the best point in this entire discussion, by justifying Gates' actions, you place all law enforcement officers in more danger because the populace see and learn from things like this......and they just learned that screaming at cops is perfectly acceptable behavior according to the President of the United States.....A shame really.

 

 

 

I am done with this unless someone has something new to offer.....

[RoyalOrleans]

I rest my case.

[timesjoke]

I rest my case.

 

Against yourself, lol. Why make that post RO?

 

Too much to resist? can't help yourself?

[RoyalOrleans]

Against yourself, lol. Why make that post RO?

 

Too much to resist? can't help yourself?

 

Some would call it baiting while others would call it a gross fixation with multiplying your post count.

[timesjoke]

Some would call it baiting while others would call it a gross fixation with multiplying your post count.

 

But even though your doing that I still believe your a great guy RO.

[ImWithStupid]

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[hugo]

eddo, stay out of adult conversations if your not going to even try to pay attention. Hugo said earlier that the officer provoked Gates to act this way, I am now trying to pin Hugo down as to what part of the officer's requesting identification was wrong in Hugo's eyes.

 

 

 

 

So another dodge?

 

Why not just answer the question Hugo?

 

 

Gates exploded on the cop for asking to produce identification that showed his address. Everything negative from this situation was because Gates felt he had a right to explode so his reason is relivant to this conversation Hugo.

 

 

So, was the cop within his rights to ask for identification that showed the address when he is responding to a call of this nature Hugo?

 

Simple question, no politics needed to answer it.

 

The question is not valid to my position that in a free country an officer should not arrest a man in his own home when the officer could simply end the mans' "Disturbing of the peace" by leaving. The officer was not wrong for asking for other identification. That does not mean Gates should be arrested for not providing it. We still live in a free country where you do not have to have an "acceptable" ID on you, much less provide it. In fact, the officer was obviously satisfied that Gates was the legal resident since he was leaving the scene and only arrested Gates when Gates pursued the officer and verbally harranged him.

 

Yes, the officer was within his rights to ask for Gates ID. I am within my rights to ask the women of JustBS to send nude pics to my email address. They are not obligated to send them.

[snafu]

The question is not valid to my position that in a free country an officer should not arrest a man in his own home when the officer could simply end the mans' "Disturbing of the peace" by leaving. The officer was not wrong for asking for other identification. That does not mean Gates should be arrested for not providing it. We still live in a free country where you do not have to have an "acceptable" ID on you, much less provide it. In fact, the officer was obviously satisfied that Gates was the legal resident since he was leaving the scene and only arrested Gates when Gates pursued the officer and verbally harranged him.

 

Yes, the officer was within his rights to ask for Gates ID. I am within my rights to ask the women of JustBS to send nude pics to my email address. They are not obligated to send them.

 

Bull . So a cop can come up to me and ask me for my ID. I tell him no and the cop should just walk away. You're being totally absurd in on this topic. If the police don't confront a suspect and correctly identify him you would be the first person to accost him for not doing his job.

[snafu]

1) The cop did not know it was his house.

2) Gates was making a scene and disturbing the peace.

3) The cop has a job to do and as citizens we expect to be protected from hostile people. Not knowing the person it could escalate to violence against innocent bystanders that were accumulating as this progressed.

 

 

Your way off base here hugo. Why are you so negitive?

[hugo]

1) The cop did not know it was his house.

2) Gates was making a scene and disturbing the peace.

3) The cop has a job to do and as citizens we expect to be protected from hostile people. Not knowing the person it could escalate to violence against innocent bystanders that were accumulating as this progressed.

 

 

Your way off base here hugo. Why are you so negitive?

 

For the umpteenth time the police officer was leaving when Gates followed him. The officer must have been convinced that Gates had a legal right to be in the home. Gates was only provoked by the officers presence, he represented no threat to anyone. He was a law abiding cotizen arrested for talking crap to a cop.

 

All the officer had to do to restore peace was leave.

[ImWithStupid]

 

All the officer had to do to restore peace was leave.

 

 

Isn't that exactly what the officer was trying to do when Gates insisted on taking his disturbance into the public, and only after being warned that his behavior was crossing into the realm of a public disturbance, to which Prof. Gates chose to ignore and chose to continue to be a public disturbance, did the officer follow the law, and arrest Prof. Gates for a misdemeanor crime committed in his presence?

 

Not only was everything that happened up until the actual arrest Gates' choice in the direction of the events that were put in motion, but he chose to ignore a plain warning that he was in violation of the law.

 

See, Hugo is much like most people who cry about the police at their door, but is likely to be the first to call the police to tell their neighbor to turn down the music or keep it down if they are having a party.

[hugo]

Isn't that exactly what the officer was trying to do when Gates insisted on taking his disturbance into the public, and only after being warned that his behavior was crossing into the realm of a public disturbance, to which Prof. Gates chose to ignore and chose to continue to be a public disturbance, did the officer follow the law, and arrest Prof. Gates for a misdemeanor crime committed in his presence?

 

Not only was everything that happened up until the actual arrest Gates' choice in the direction of the events that were put in motion, but he chose to ignore a plain warning that he was in violation of the law.

 

See, Hugo is much like most people who cry about the police at their door, but is likely to be the first to call the police to tell their neighbor to turn down the music or keep it down if they are having a party.

 

 

 

Where does that come from? I'd be joining the party.

 

Once again, all the officer had to do was leave. It is not like he was called because Gates was causing a disturbance. The officer was the only provocation. All he had to do was leave.

 

I can't help it I ain't a damn Nazi like the rest of y'all.

[ImWithStupid]

 

I can't help it I ain't a damn Nazi like the rest of y'all.

 

 

It's OK, I've seen your type a hundred times. Just like Bill Ayers. Cryin' about the police, bombing police stations but when a Fox News cameraman and producer are outside your home, you call the cops to keep them away.

 

Whatever. A party or cutting down trees with a chainsaw. Same thing. You bitch about a peace officer upholding the peace, but it's different when it comes to your neighbors barking dog.

[ImWithStupid]

 

Once again, all the officer had to do was leave. It is not like he was called because Gates was causing a disturbance. The officer was the only provocation. All he had to do was leave.

 

 

And once again as supplemented by many people, that's exactly what the officer was trying to do, when Gates insisted on violating the law he was arrested for, a law that has been repeatedly upheld as being Constitutional.

 

Fukkstik Gates committed a valid statutory offense and was arrested for such.

 

Your rights only go as far as they don't infringe on the rights of someone else.

 

Believe me, I've been in Crowley's position many times. I've had several 150 lb dip s, tell me they would kick my ass if I weren't a cop. I usually tell them that my badge is the only thing stopping me from stomping a mudhole in their ass.

 

I'm sorry, but just because you are a public worker, doesn't mean you have to eat sh!t from the public.

 

There are several offices in our court house who say they are always dealing with people coming in and cursing them out about their vehicle taxes or their property taxes, etc...

 

I tell them all the time to tell the Hugos of the world that when they can come back and be civil, they will deal with them and that they should leave. If they don't call over to have one of us deal with them and make them leave.

 

Doormat isn't in my job description.

[hugo]

It's OK, I've seen your type a hundred times. Just like Bill Ayers. Cryin' about the police, bombing police stations but when a Fox News cameraman and producer are outside your home, you call the cops to keep them away.

 

Whatever. A party or cutting down trees with a chainsaw. Same thing. You bitch about a peace officer upholding the peace, but it's different when it comes to your neighbors barking dog.

 

You are doing nothing now but engaging in unfounded personal attacks. I have never called the cops on anyone in my life. I think, by and large, government officials should stay out of peoples lives, unless there is a real public interest in taking action. The only one Gates was annoying was the cop, The arrest of Mr Gates served no public good. In fact, just the opposite. I call myself a libertarian because I think the government that governs best governs least. In this case Crowley leaving was the "least" government solution. Just because we all know talking crap to a cop can get ya thrown in the slammer does not mean it should be that way.

 

Y'all love big government, except when Democrats are proposing it. Let's just require everyone have a computer chip inserted so the government official can just wave a device over someone and have immediate access to all their personal information. Long live big government, screw the sanctity of your home.

[ImWithStupid]

The only one Gates was annoying was the cop, The arrest of Mr Gates served no public good. In fact, just the opposite. I call myself a libertarian because I think the government that governs best governs least. In this case Crowley leaving was the "least" government solution. Just because we all know talking crap to a cop can get ya thrown in the slammer does not mean it should be that way.

 

 

That's false. There are reports from the public that Gates' actions were alarming to those who were gathering. Read the law.

 

Sgt. Crowley upheld the peace, he even tried to warn Gates prior to taking any kind of action, but Gates thought he was above the law.

 

Talking crap to a cop won't get you thrown in jail. You are trying to paint the situation in a light that isn't accurate, just like your continued claims that he was arrested because he was a black man, or arrested in his own home. Not accurate. But good MSLSD style reporting. It sucks when the facts and the law get in the way though.

 

You're right, it shouldn't be that way, and it isn't nor is that the facts of what happened.

 

It doesn't matter how many times you say it TJ, I mean Hugo, it doesn't make it so.

[ImWithStupid]

way.

 

Y'all love big government, except when Democrats are proposing it.

 

 

You're the one who thinks it should be OK to kill a kid for smashing your garden gnome, not me.

[hugo]

You're the one who thinks it should be OK to kill a kid for smashing your garden gnome, not me.

 

Sadly, big government won't even let ya do that in Texas. Now if the kid is running off with the gnome that is another story.

[ImWithStupid]

 

Y'all love big government, except when Democrats are proposing it. Let's just require everyone have a computer chip inserted so the government official can just wave a device over someone and have immediate access to all their personal information. Long live big government, screw the sanctity of your home.

 

 

Yes. Arresting someone for disturbing the right to peace of another citizen, is the same as wanting to implant a chip in people.

 

My God, did you come up with that sober? If so, you need to drink more.

 

Nope. Not big government. I'm against the RFI chips in new passports. I'm against a Federal ID, etc...

 

I don't think a racist asshole charging out of his house, causing alarm to people rises up to that level.

 

You must be related to TJ in how you determine the level of importance and severity.

 

i.e. my joke on holocaust and divorce and Ali's reference to TJ equating women manipulating men to the horrors of slavery.

[ImWithStupid]

Sadly, big government won't even let ya do that in Texas. Now if the kid is running off with the gnome that is another story.

 

We've gone over this before. The law lets you kill him if he is committing criminal mischief and you don't "believe" that unless you shoot him, he will be caught.

[hugo]

I don't think a racist asshole charging out of his house, causing alarm to people rises up to that level.

 

 

Have you seen images of Professor Gates? If he was alarming anyone they must be a in' wimp that needs to be deported for being too big a pussy to be an American.

[hugo]

We've gone over this before. The law lets you kill him if he is committing criminal mischief and you don't "believe" that unless you shoot him, he will be caught.

 

He has to be in the act of damaging the gnome, ya caint shoot him after he has finished, unless ya pull him back in the yard.

[ImWithStupid]

He has to be in the act of damaging the gnome, ya caint shoot him after he has finished, unless ya pull him back in the yard.

 

 

No, he can be running away, as long as you saw him do it, and you tell yourself that the only way he'll be caught is if I kill him.