Obama remark on black scholar's arrest angers cops

[timesjoke]

 

Were you on the phone call between the cop and Obama? How do you know Obama only gave "half an apology?"

 

I saw the most powerful man in America publically call this officer stupid and insinuate he was a racist. This was done on the television to millions of viewers and has been replayed over and over again on the news and youtube.

 

An apology must reach the same level of the harm, and even greater to make ammends for the wrong, Obama has not done this. IWS already proved the harm done by Obama with his accusation goes a lot further than just a couple words spoke in haste.

 

In fact, he still says the officer was wrong to arrest his friend, so where is the apology?

[ImWithStupid]

Thank goodness for good sense and fair judgement.

 

 

Thing is, was this really just a misspeak. Robert Gibbs admits that the President was prepped for this question, before the press conference.

 

I think, in my opinion, that he couldn't help himself.

 

First off, I think he's way to arrogant to give a "no comment" because he's smarter than everyone else and it would bruise his ego if it appeared he didn't have an answer.

 

Secondly, I think he reverted to his base instinct as a Saul Alinsky community organizer and had to fan the flames because his true belief is that cops are racist.

 

Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals exerpts

 

The first step in community organization is community disorganization. The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization. Present arrangements must be disorganized if they are to be displace by new patterns.... All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new." p.116

 

"An organizer must stir up dissatifaction and discontent... He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time.p.117

 

 

He spent so many years stirring the sh!t using racial bias and classist rhetoric, he can't help it.

 

Same thing happened when he vilified wall street, executives, corportations, the car companies, etc...

 

Who is the President going to drum up hate against next, when he reverts to his roots?

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[timesjoke]

 

 

 

 

He spent so many years stirring the sh!t using racial bias and classist rhetoric, he can't help it.

 

Same thing happened when he vilified wall street, executives, corportations, the car companies, etc...

 

Who is the President going to drum up hate against next, when he reverts to his roots?

 

Exactly, this was my point too, but I didn't know Obama was already prepped for this question and his reply was already thought out. I thought this was just an automaitc reaction reply, not one he gave thought to, that makes it even worse.

[RoyalOrleans]

Gates is a race pimp, with a new book, and he needed some free PR coverage. That's what it's all about, and obama helped out his buddy. Please note below;

 

"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles' date=' the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well." [/quote']

 

I venture to say Mr. Washington would agree this applies to individuals such as the Prof Gates, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama. And when Obama says reparations aren't enough it's because, if it was enough, the grievances would have to end, so he will bankrupt America, one piece at a time, throwing any and all entitlements he can make up at blacks.

 

Education is not one of them though, which is why he is against home schooling, charter schools and vouchers; because he and other race pimps don't want blacks to know that the KKK were orignially democrats, segregation was the democrats, Jim Crow laws were enforced by the democrats, slavery in general: democrats, and now they pretend to be the saviors for votes so that they can keep them on the welfare plantation.

[eddo]

Thing is, was this really just a misspeak. Robert Gibbs admits that the President was prepped for this question, before the press conference.

 

Honestly, that changes my opinion of this.

 

Got a link to a quote of Gibbs saying that?

 

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Found it myself:

Jack Dunphy wrote at NRO:

 

Bret Baier, filling in for regular host Chris Wallace, asked Gibbs, “Before Wednesday’s news conference, did you prepare [the president] for a question about Henry Gates’s arrest in Cambridge?”

 

“Well, look,” said Gibbs, “Let’s just say it’s safe to say we went over a whole lot of topics that we thought might come up, and certainly this was a topic that was, has been in the news . . .”

source

 

so now we know the Pres knew and even prepped for a question about Gates' arrest. in that case, I think the press said exactly what he planned to say, and deserves every bit of flack he is now getting for sounding like a race baiting ass.

Very unprofessional to make any kind of comment without having the facts of the case.

[phreakwars]

911 caller in Gates arrest never referred to 'black suspects' - CNN.com

 

The cop lied in his report.

 

The woman who made the 911 call that led to the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. never referred to black suspects when she called authorities for what she thought was a potential break-in.

 

Police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, released the 911 phone call Monday. In the call, Lucia Whalen reports seeing "two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic, but I'm not really sure, and the other one entered, and I didn't see what he looked like at all."

The dude also lied about wanting Gates to go outside because his yelling in the kitchen and foyer were too loud. He just wanted a reason to arrest him.

 

Sure looks like racial profiling to me.

 

Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene," Murphy told CNN by phone. "And she never said to any police officer or to anybody 'two black men.' She never used the word 'black.' Period.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITl55WTyIRY]YouTube - Henry Louis Gates 911 tape[/ame]

 

Like I said before, you reap what you sow. If people weren't so damn racist in the first place, you wouldn't have educated black men so damn paranoid of the cops in the first place.

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[Chi]

 

Like I said before, you reap what you sow. If people weren't so damn racist in the first place, you wouldn't have educated black men so damn paranoid of the cops in the first place.

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Gates might've been hysterical and everything else, but yes, I agree with Bender's statement. I told my boyfriend the same thing days ago. You can't be racist to people and treat them like crap for hundreds of years (and some still to this day) and then wake up one day and expect all to be forgiven and act like it never happened.

[ImWithStupid]

 

The dude also lied about wanting Gates to go outside because his yelling in the kitchen and foyer were too loud. He just wanted a reason to arrest him.

 

Sure looks like racial profiling to me.

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I don't know what recording you were listening to, but I could hear someone in the background of the cop's traffic and him having to repeat himself several times and there was problems with him hearing dispatch also.

[phreakwars]

Oh come on, don't give me that. Like I said, I've used the same type of transmitters in very very loud conditions. I don't buy it for a second. You can't even hear Gates. And when the guy DID get interference, it's when he switched channels, I can hear dispatch telling him to go back to channel 2 (52 GO BACK TO CHANNEL 2 at time 6:25 into the clip), which is the channel he was originally on (from his own words in his report), but switched from. You could tell the new channel he went to wasn't coming in as clear. When he switched back to channel 2, he was crystal clear.

 

Plus, he contradicts himself in his report. On page 2 paragraph 2, he says he sent in his report to ECC, and in the 3rd paragraph, says he couldn't hear... so which was it?

 

The cop also lied about:

 

 

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  [ ] The conversation with Whalen
  [ ] What the "suspects" were carrying (Whalen said suitcases to 911, not backpacks)
  [ ] Whalen's being "white"
  [ ] The reported race of the "suspects" before he identified them.
  

When I arried a _ Ware Street I radioed ECC and asked that they have the caller meet me at the front door to this residence. I was told that the caller was already outside. As I was getting this information, I climbed the porch stairs toward the front door. As I reached the door, a female voice called out to me. I turned and looked in the direction of the voice and observed a white female, later identified as Lucia Whalen. Whalen, who was standing on the sidewalk in front of the residence, held a wireless telephone in her hand and told me that it was she who called. She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of _ Ware Street. She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry. Since I was the only police officer on location and had my back to the front door as I spoke with her, I asked that she wait for other responding officers while I investigated further.

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[ImWithStupid]

Oh come on, don't give me that. Like I said, I've used the same type of transmitters in very very loud conditions. I don't buy it for a second. You can't even hear Gates. And when the guy DID get interference, it's when he switched channels, I can hear dispatch telling him to go back to channel 2 (52 GO BACK TO CHANNEL 2 at time 6:25 into the clip), which is the channel he was originally on (from his own words in his report), but switched from. You could tell the new channel he went to wasn't coming in as clear. When he switched back to channel 2, he was crystal clear.

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You might want to get your hearing checked. I can hear Gates in the background and he had to repeat Gates' name several times on the first channel, because dispatch couldn't hear him. Hell when the second officer is out with Crowley, you can hear Gates in the background on his transmission too.

[phreakwars]

Yeah, I can hear Gates in the background too... right when Crowley CLEARLY said his name to dispatch. Didn't hear no distortions except when he squelched out and was told to change his channel back to 2.

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[RoyalOrleans]

Yeah, I can hear Gates in the background too... right when Crowley CLEARLY said his name to dispatch. Didn't hear no distortions except when he squelched out and was told to change his channel back to 2.

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Did you hear anyone screaming for Obama's birth certificate?

[phreakwars]

Did you hear anyone screaming for Obama's birth certificate?

Oh Jesus Christ, don't tell me YOU are one of those who believe in that stupid conspiracy. I'll totally lose all respect for you R.O.. NOBODY can really be THAT stupid.

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[ImWithStupid]

Yeah, I can hear Gates in the background too... right when Crowley CLEARLY said his name to dispatch. Didn't hear no distortions except when he squelched out and was told to change his channel back to 2.

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Yet he had to repeat himself several times and there were several instances where either the officer or dispatch couldn't hear each other.

 

Let me guess, Bender, the whole department was in on your "conspiracy" theory that the officer was luring the black man outside so he could gin up a charge, so he could spend hours doing processing and paperwork.

[timesjoke]

I have used the same radios as well, someone screaming at you in a closed space does make it difficult to communicate. Communication is attained with two directions, both talking and hearing.

 

The radios have noise blocking features in them so for you to hear Gates, he had to be very, very loud.

 

 

 

Even eddo has reversed himself based on Obama being prepped for the question Bender, why are you so stuck in being an excuse machine for Obama?

 

Obama screwed up, and refuses to take responsibility for it. That shows his true character.

 

 

 

 

Any way you try to slice it Bender, the facts are still clear that two men "DID" break into a home. Police were summoned becuse of this fact. Any officer responding to that call would verify the identity of the people in the dwelling no matter what their race was. Gates at this point turned a regular and routine call into a race issue and caused every speck of negativity that happened from that moment on.

 

Why refuse to identify yourself to a uniformed officer? Why must a white officer be called a racist just because he asked Gates for identification?

 

Gates made this what it was, consider the same situation where Gates simply shows identification without causing a scene?

 

 

 

And there is the last point of your comments proven wrong.

 

By exploding without a good reason, Gates "ADDED" to the problems of race relations in America.

 

 

 

Consider the other point about publicity.

 

Could this all have been set up?

 

Gates makes millions of dollars off his now very popular book, and Obama draws new attention to his existing books as well so both will make millions off of stirring up race discord in America........what will the officer get?

[phreakwars]

Obama never screwed up, he was right on the money in the first place. The cops screwed up. At first I was on the side of the cop, but the more the facts come out, the more it is obvious this cop went out of his way to arrest the guy, inciting him to step outside several times just so he could slam him with a BS charge of disturbing the peace. The cop has no credibilty to me for the simple fact that he completely distorted his entire statement on the incident. It didn't jive with what the 911 call shows. Last I check. YELLING was not against the law.

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[timesjoke]

Why Bender?

 

Why was the cop going out of his way to arrest the man?

 

Is it possible that Gates over reacting to a simple request for identification could have provoked the officer into letting Gates put his foot in his own mouth?

 

 

Gates was the instigator in this situation, not the officer.

 

 

Gates was arrested for being an a-hole, not because he was black.

[phreakwars]

I never said it was racist. Last I checked, being an asshole isn't a crime either. Evidently, the cop thought he could push his badge and make it into a crime.

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[timesjoke]

I never said it was racist. Last I checked, being an asshole isn't a crime either. Evidently, the cop thought he could push his badge and make it into a crime.

 

So to you if a cop responds to a possible burglary he has no right to request identification from the people he finds in the home that he is responding to?

 

Remember up to that moment everything was normal but it was Gates who refused to cooperate and started yelling at the cop calling him a racist for asking for the identification.

[phreakwars]

Again, I never said anything about it being racist. Your the one making this a race issue. Unless you wanna count the cops LIE telling Gates that he was told 2 black men were seen entering (the 911 call said 2 males, one possibly Hispanic, listen to it). This is about people's rights. I don't care how much he's yelling and screaming at the cop. He never touched the cop, and words are not against the law, no matter what he's babbling on about (even if he's ranting on about the cop being a racist). The cop simply didn't like Gate's tone and trumped up a charge to arrest him. It basically went down like this.

 

The cop responded to the call, Gate's got pissed to see the cop there and started yelling. The cop in turn tried his damnedest several times to have Gates step outside, his bull excuse and reasoning was that he couldn't communicate with ECC. Once Gates DID step outside, out of spite, he busted his a$$. Seems pretty damn clear cut to me. I don't care if Gate's was frikken WHITE. The cop was pushing his badge around because he didn't like the guys tone and busted him for basically NOTHING.

 

Evidently you like and approve of, having a POLICE STATE where someone can arrest you just for speaking your mind. Your hatred for Obama doesn't let you see past that and see the REAL crime being committed. And you claim to be a PATRIOT? More like a damn puppet to the government.

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[RoyalOrleans]

Oh Jesus Christ, don't tell me YOU are one of those who believe in that stupid conspiracy. I'll totally lose all respect for you R.O.. NOBODY can really be THAT stupid.

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Ohhh... fukk no. I was laboring to be facetious.

[timesjoke]

Bender, why is it you never answer a direct question?

 

All that crap you just posted is irrelivent and has nothing to do with what happend at the home or how Obama reacted to it in a racist way.

 

 

 

 

Obama said this incident was part of the overall racist profiling police exhibit and called the officer stupid but who was really the instigator in this Bender?

 

 

 

The officer was only doing his job, he responded to protect a home and was screamed at and abused when he was not doing anything wrong Bender.

 

 

 

 

Race was not a consideration for the officer, but clearly race is a tool for men like Gates and Obama.

[ImWithStupid]

Again, I never said anything about it being racist. Your the one making this a race issue.

 

Yea, you did. In fact both you an Chi said it's OK for Gates to be prejudicial and racist because of American history.

 

Like I said before, you reap what you sow. If people weren't so damn racist in the first place, you wouldn't have educated black men so damn paranoid of the cops in the first place.

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Gates might've been hysterical and everything else, but yes, I agree with Bender's statement. I told my boyfriend the same thing days ago. You can't be racist to people and treat them like crap for hundreds of years (and some still to this day) and then wake up one day and expect all to be forgiven and act like it never happened.

 

It's the old, it's OK to be racist and prejudicial as long as you're a person of color, excuse.

 

Must not have ever heard of MLK jr.

 

 

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This is about people's rights. I don't care how much he's yelling and screaming at the cop. He never touched the cop, and words are not against the law, no matter what he's babbling on about (even if he's ranting on about the cop being a racist). The cop simply didn't like Gate's tone and trumped up a charge to arrest him. It basically went down like this.

 

Gotta call BS on this one. You are natorious for taking the side against cops. Like Obama, I think it's your knee jerk reaction.

 

Here's a test. Next time you have contact with the local police department, outside of your home, go off on them in a Gates type rant, ignoring warnings that you are becoming disorderly, or warnings that if you continue to behave in that manner you will be arrested. See what happens. Keep in mind that disorderly conduct laws have been repeatedly upheld as not being a violation of rights.

 

What you keep forgetting is that the cop didn't lure Gates outside, the cop was leaving and Gates followed him outside, as confirmed by the other officer and witnesses at the scene.

 

Here's a bit of a secret for you. Cops don't like paperwork. A cop isn't going to gin up a BS disorderly conduct charge because it would cause more paperwork than its worth. A cop isn't going to risk his pension and job over something this small. He had called the Harvard police to the scene as it was University housing. I'm just speculating from the view of someone who's been on both sides, but he was probably planning on passing off the hassle of dealing with Gates, to the University police.

 

I know the first thing I would try to do, in this situation, is pass it off to the agency with primary jurisdiction and make in someone else's problem.

 

 

 

This is the type of conversation that goes nowhere. I recently explained to a member over at 2TJ, about this kind of thing because he wants to get into law enforcement.

 

You can't relate with the civillian population on issues dealing with law enforcement because generally there are two types of people out there.

 

The first is the lawyer type, who thinks they know the law because they watch TV, and are always saying what you can and can't do, "because I know my rights". These people don't know the difference between "TV fantasy" and "reality". Another classic from this type is, "You can't arrest me (or I'm gonna get off my charge) because you didn't read me my rights". I usually just laugh and say, "Wanna bet?" or "Keep telling yourself that in your cell".

 

The second is the vigilante type, who thinks that just because they say, "I know he did it" is enough for us to go bust into someones house, search for evidence and arrest them. They don't understand the difference between "knowing" someone did something and "proving" someone did something.

 

They are both idiots.

 

The best is when you get a hybrid. This is the person who wants you to run off and arrest someone who stole from them because they said so, but when you get a case on them, scream about their rights and that since the cop didn't see them do it, or if it's not on video tape, it's impossible to prove they did it.

 

I had a case where a person was discovered to be riding on the river on a stolen ATV. The person explained that they bought it from someone, and didn't know it was stolen.

 

A local "vigilante type" was going off about how the guy on the ATV should have been arrested right then an there.

 

The person was asked then that If I were to go over to their vehicle, run a check of their VIN and it comes back stolen, if I should then arrest them for stealing the vehicle. They said "No, because they bought it, and didn't know it was stolen."

 

Just like many people, it's different if it applies to them.

 

 

Bottom line is. Nobody made Gates leave his home and act disorderly in public. Nobody made Gates continue to behave this way after leaving his home and being warned that these actions were deemed to be alarming to the public, and disorderly.

 

Could he have ignored it. Yep, but that is officer discression. A misdemeanor crime was committed in the presence of several officers and they arrested Gates for said crime. It's part of the criminal justice system.

 

Crowley made a lawful arrest based on Massachussetts law.

 

 

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Evidently you like and approve of, having a POLICE STATE where someone can arrest you just for speaking your mind. Your hatred for Obama doesn't let you see past that and see the REAL crime being committed. And you claim to be a PATRIOT? More like a damn puppet to the government.

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This is the biggest load of crap of them all. First off, nobody was arrest for "just speaking their mind" as addressed above and secondly, in the American criminal justice system, the criminal has the advantage.

[phreakwars]

Bullshiit all the way around. First of all, neither Chi or I said the cop was being racist. I simply said if Blacks & Hispanics weren't treated in a racist manner in the first place, then people like Gates wouldn't be all paranoid rambling on about someone being racist..

 

READ THAT AGAIN. It DOES NOT imply racism was the case here. It implys Gates is a paranoid freak.

 

2nd... paper work? That's the best you can come up with... paper work? Sure I will agree that Gates followed the guy outside. This probably gave him a god damn boner "Oh look, now if the fukker yells I can bust his ass" Which he subsequently was.

 

3rd, why were the charges dropped if this wasn't a BS arrest? Because he was black and a friend of Obama's?

 

If this was such a legitimate arrest, why all the lies and inconsistency's in his report?

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[ImWithStupid]

Bullshiit all the way around. First of all, neither Chi or I said the cop was being racist. I simply said if Blacks & Hispanics weren't treated in a racist manner in the first place, then people like Gates wouldn't be all paranoid rambling on about someone being racist..

 

READ THAT AGAIN. It DOES NOT imply racism was the case here. It implys Gates is a paranoid freak.

 

I don't have to read it again. It clearly implies that it's fine for Gates to behave like a racist asshole, crying racism when there isn't any, because in the past there were some mistreatment of minorities.

 

Basically saying that if you're a person of color, it's the cops fault that you are prejudicial and racist.

 

 

2nd... paper work? That's the best you can come up with... paper work? Sure I will agree that Gates followed the guy outside. This probably gave him a god damn boner "Oh look, now if the fukker yells I can bust his ass" Which he subsequently was.

 

Humm, what's more likely. That the cop tried to leave and Gates insisted on following him outside, acting like a racist asshole, causing a disturbance in public, ignoring warnings that he's becoming disorderly and continued to cause a disturbance, or your insinuation that the entire Cambridge police department conspired, seemingly be mental telepathy, to set up Gates for a piddly ass disorderly conduct charge, from the power hungry arresting officer to the other officers on scene, the dispatcher who faked having communication problems to other witnesses at the scene, that I'm sure the cops threatened to go along with their story?

 

 

3rd, why were the charges dropped if this wasn't a BS arrest? Because he was black and a friend of Obama's?

 

If this was such a legitimate arrest, why all the lies and inconsistency's in his report?

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Same reason the lives of young men and a coach at Duke University's were ruined by a bad prosecution, same reason that a NY prosecutor was subjected to vilification and had to prove his innocence by a grand jury investigation from knowingly false accusations by Tawana Brawley that he was one of the alleged six men that raped her, which also was proven to be false.

 

Racial Politics. Someone cried racism, in a nationally publicized story, and the politicians caved.