Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Health care legislation before Congress would allow a new government-sponsored insurance plan to cover abortions, a decision that would affect millions of women and recast federal policy on the divisive issue....

 

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

 

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[eddo]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Health care legislation before Congress would allow a new government-sponsored insurance plan to cover abortions, a decision that would affect millions of women and recast federal policy on the divisive issue....

 

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

 

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wow, my tax money paying for abortions...

 

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooo not for this....

[ImWithStupid]

wow, my tax money paying for abortions...

 

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooo not for this....

 

 

Haven't you ever heard of Planned Parenthood?

 

Been goin' on for a while now.

[eddo]

Haven't you ever heard of Planned Parenthood?

 

Been goin' on for a while now.

 

yeah, good point. Didn't think of that.

 

this still blows chucks.

[phreakwars]

I think that provision was tossed in there for another purpose. As bait for Republicans. Everyone knows damn well they are not gonna back the plan either way. Might as well start throwing in shiit they are REALLY gonna hate and hope that you can get them to compromise and go along with it on the condition that provision is dropped.

 

I really don't think government should be helping fund abortions, unless of course in cases of rape or incest. Sure private insurance companies do this already, and that should be a talking point for people to buy a plan that offers that coverage over going with a public plan by the government that won't.

 

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[Ahhlee]

I think abortion is a private, personal decision and should therefore be paid for by the individuals making that decision themselves.

 

It's such a controversial issue and people have very passionate views about it. It's not right to force the American public to pay for something many are completely and utterly against.

 

To borrow RO's phrase: The government has no business in the womb.

[phreakwars]

I think abortion is a private, personal decision and should therefore be paid for by the individuals making that decision themselves.

 

It's such a controversial issue and people have very passionate views about it. It's not right to force the American public to pay for something many are completely and utterly against.

 

To borrow RO's phrase: The government has no business in the womb.

Agreed. And this is why I say it was tossed in as bait. Nobody in their right mind would think for a second that you could gain ANY Republican votes by tossing this in on top of what they are already complaining about. Hell, you have alot of Democrats who are opposed to this, so you HAVE to stand back and go... OK WHAT GIVES?

 

I smell an ulterior motive. I say there is a method behind this madness.

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[Ahhlee]

Agreed. And this is why I say it was tossed in as bait. Nobody in their right mind would think for a second that you could gain ANY Republican votes by tossing this in on top of what they are already complaining about. Hell, you have alot of Democrats who are opposed to this, so you HAVE to stand back and go... OK WHAT GIVES?

 

I smell an ulterior motive. I say there is a method behind this madness.

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It will be interesting to see how it plays out, to be sure. I guess we'll see what our Congress is really made of now, won't we?

[ImWithStupid]

Agreed. And this is why I say it was tossed in as bait. Nobody in their right mind would think for a second that you could gain ANY Republican votes by tossing this in on top of what they are already complaining about. Hell, you have alot of Democrats who are opposed to this, so you HAVE to stand back and go... OK WHAT GIVES?

 

I smell an ulterior motive. I say there is a method behind this madness.

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I still call bull . I can't believe you can't see these people for the secular progressive idealogues that they are.

 

This is the plan.

 

You have Hillary who praises Margaret Sanger for her Planned Parenthood desire to abort the poor and undesirable, you have Obama wanting to bring in Tom Daschle, who is lock step wanting to cut medical services to the elderly, there is Obama's "science and technology director" who signs on to the ideas of Peter Singer. John Holdren who believes that birth control should be put in the drinking supply and that babies should be allowed to be aborted up to 20 days after it's born, that animals should have the right to sue humans in court and that sex with animals should be legal if it isn't considered to be cruel to the animal.

 

None of this includes the whacked out views of Obama's "green czar", Van Jones, you know the guy who got the independent regulator fired by the White House, because he found out that Jones was misusing taxpayer money to pay someone to wash his car and stuff, who wasn't supposed to be fired by the White House without cause, but was anyway because Nancy P. and Harry R. covered for the Pres on his law violation, but I digress.

 

Van Jones, the guy who was arrested during the Rodney King riots and when he came out of jail, was a communist.

 

Sad part is, he's not an environmentalist. He's an opportunist. He sees environmentalism as a way to back door communism.

 

Since January 20th, there hasn't been one piece of legislation passed that hasn't been to pursue some kind of secular progressive agenda.

[phreakwars]

Another damn conspiracy theorist? Definitely authoritarian.

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[ImWithStupid]

Another damn conspiracy theorist? Definitely authoritarian.

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Nope. Well known facts. Not even a leap.

 

Let me guess, you're like the new White House disinformation czar who says Obama has no desire to have a single payer, government controlled health care system, but it's all those right wing whackos saying that's the President's goal?

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE]YouTube - Obama on single payer health insurance[/ame]

 

What did he say? It might take 10 years? Funny, that's as far out as his fiscal analyst goes.

 

I can't believe President Obama would start that damn conspiracy theory of what he wants to do. Damn him.

 

Every damn thing I posted is backed by fact, by the words of the people themselves. No need for conspiracy theories.

[phreakwars]

You know what's gonna happen here don't ya, the Democrats are planning on, and are gonna use reconciliation to pass the health care plan. Personally, I think the plan stinks and should be rewritten in alot of places. Sure Obama is for single payer, single payer using another damn insurance provider, but single payer is NOT what Democrat constituents want, they, along with myself, want UNIVERSAL coverage. Obama is trying to pass off single payer as an alternative to get some of these blue dogs on board. But, no matter, like I said, they are gonna use reconciliation and say fukk the Republicans and the blue dog traitors who get paid by the health industry like Ben Nelson...Same shiit Bush pulled off to get those useless tax cuts that screwed up the economy, then what are ya gonna do?

 

CHECK MATE, that's what happens when the opposition keeps up the rhetoric and unwillingness to give a bi-partisan effort. And then we WILL have government funded abortions. I suspect reconciliation might ALSO be the reason for a government funded abortion provision, along with a huge number of merciless budget cuts to programs in red states and districts, mostly Republican porkbarrel porgrams,. Time to step it up and play hard ball with the fear and paranoia crowd.

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[ImWithStupid]

You know what's gonna happen here don't ya, the Democrats are planning on, and are gonna use reconciliation to pass the health care plan. Personally, I think the plan stinks and should be rewritten in alot of places. Sure Obama is for single payer, single payer using another damn insurance provider, but single payer is NOT what Democrat constituents want, they, along with myself, want UNIVERSAL coverage. Obama is trying to pass off single payer as an alternative to get some of these blue dogs on board. But, no matter, like I said, they are gonna use reconciliation and say fukk the Republicans and the blue dog traitors who get paid by the health industry like Ben Nelson...Same shiit Bush pulled off to get those useless tax cuts that screwed up the economy, then what are ya gonna do?

 

CHECK MATE, that's what happens when the opposition keeps up the rhetoric and unwillingness to give a bi-partisan effort. And then we WILL have government funded abortions. I suspect reconciliation might ALSO be the reason for a government funded abortion provision, along with a huge number of merciless budget cuts to programs in red states and districts, mostly Republican porkbarrel porgrams,. Time to step it up and play hard ball with the fear and paranoia crowd.

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Are you stoned. It's the single payer/government option that is driving away the blue dog Democrats.

 

Yep. Check mate. When it bankrupts the country there isn't anyone else to blame but your Dem friends.

 

I'll just rack this whole thread up to you having absolutely no knowledge about what a blue dog is, of what single payer is, and your obvious lack of rational anticipation of any kind of "budget cut" while Obama is in power. Any cut will be spent elsewhere X5. Funny thing is, that "budget cuts" to red states wouldn't mean much because it's the red states that are doing OK. Us working conservatives are propping up the blue states.

[phreakwars]

Are you stoned. It's the single payer/government option that is driving away the blue dog Democrats.

 

Yep. Check mate. When it bankrupts the country there isn't anyone else to blame but your Dem friends.

 

I'll just rack this whole thread up to you having absolutely no knowledge about what a blue dog is, of what single payer is, and your obvious lack of rational anticipation of any kind of "budget cut" while Obama is in power. Any cut will be spent elsewhere X5. Funny thing is, that "budget cuts" to red states wouldn't mean much because it's the red states that are doing OK. Us working conservatives are propping up the blue states.

HAHAHAHA Red states propping up the blue states? Good one!! The red states get more government subsidies then any of the states, quit deluding yourself. Of course I know what a blue dog is and what single payer are. Again, the Democrats want full universal coverage, this single payer crap is one step down from that. The HOPE was that the blue dogs would buy into it, but of course, they don't, those campaign payments from insurance companies and pharma prevent that.

 

I know I'll be laughing my a$$ off after they use reconciliation to get around the same GOP jerks who opposed social security and medicare for our citizens, and as punishment and as a way to comply with reconciliation rules, kill a bunch of GOP pork projects and toss in all those secular progressive agenda things (like say abortions) you wanna whine about. And the best part, I will be overjoyed with the notion that REAL progress and change has been made, no thanks to the freepers. Kiss 2012 goodbye.

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[phreakwars]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtTBkxvBq88]YouTube - "Enough of the Mob"[/ame]

 

Perhaps you can follow this leaked Right Wing memo and create a fake grass roots movement

 

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/townhallactionmemo.pdf

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[hugo]

Funding abortions would lower healthcare costs and most of the babies killed would be future liberals anyways. The first thing I have seen that would actually lower healthcare costs and the number of individuals receiving healthcare.

[phreakwars]

Funding abortions would lower healthcare costs and most of the babies killed would be future liberals anyways. The first thing I have seen that would actually lower healthcare costs and the number of individuals receiving healthcare.

Now your thinkin'

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[timesjoke]

The thing is "Democrats" do not want a single payer system or a Government run insurance company. Only the most radical elements want those things and current polls show a massive drop in support for Obama's plan........why?

 

Because he can't explain it.

 

Well, let me rephrase that, he has the ability to explain it, but he can't tell the truth about it so he keeps all his comments very genaral and non-specific so people can't claim he lied later.

 

As some of the details of the many plans are being released, more and more people (including Democrats) are speaking out against it.

 

 

The "traitor" blue dogs you disrespect Bender are speaking for the majority of Democrats, maybe you should offer them a little more respect.

[RoyalOrleans]

 

Perhaps you can follow this leaked Right Wing memo and create a fake grass roots movement

 

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/townhallactionmemo.pdf

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Just can't let this go. It's funny, really, that the Democrats are so scared. They're shell-shocked. How DARE these people show up to protest the Democrat's biggest power grab since FDR? The ungrateful scumbags! The looters know they have to come up with a story, and the best they can do is to demonize the protestors. They insist on pinning any opposition to healthcare reform as a "mob." They want to convince the American public that the only people who are opposing their plans for reform are those infamous "right-wing extremists!" (Weren't they supposed to insert "bigoted" and "mean-spirited" in there somewhere? Remember those people? Those are the people whom Janet Napolitano warned us about many months ago. The commercial says, "Desperate Republicans and their well-funded allies are organizing angry mobs just like they did during the election. Their goal? Destroy President Obama and stop the change Americans voted for overwhelmingly in November."

 

I wonder when they're going to get around to calling the opponents "terrorists."

 

So are the Democrats right? Is it only these fringe Republican "mobs" that oppose their healthcare reform. It is safe to say that the answer is no. The Quinnipiac University Polling Institute released some figures yesterday showing that support for healthcare reform among independent voters is down. We aren't talking "right-wing extremists." We are talking about moderate, independent voters who arguably gave Barack Obama the edge in the election.

 

The Quinnipiac poll found that:

 

Independent voters, perhaps the key voting group, are more worried about the deficit rising than congressional inaction, 54 - 37 percent. These voters say 59 - 36 percent that overhaul should not occur if it would "significantly" increase the deficit.

 

Independents oppose 63 - 33 percent passing a bill with only Democratic votes.

 

Independent voters also don't think Obama can keep his promise to avoid increasing the deficit and pass health care by an overwhelming 77 - 17 percent.

[RoyalOrleans]

You know what's gonna happen here don't ya, the Democrats are planning on, and are gonna use reconciliation to pass the health care plan. Personally, I think the plan stinks and should be rewritten in alot of places. Sure Obama is for single payer, single payer using another damn insurance provider, but single payer is NOT what Democrat constituents want, they, along with myself, want UNIVERSAL coverage. Obama is trying to pass off single payer as an alternative to get some of these blue dogs on board. But, no matter, like I said, they are gonna use reconciliation and say fukk the Republicans and the blue dog traitors who get paid by the health industry like Ben Nelson...Same shiit Bush pulled off to get those useless tax cuts that screwed up the economy, then what are ya gonna do?

 

CHECK MATE, that's what happens when the opposition keeps up the rhetoric and unwillingness to give a bi-partisan effort. And then we WILL have government funded abortions. I suspect reconciliation might ALSO be the reason for a government funded abortion provision, along with a huge number of merciless budget cuts to programs in red states and districts, mostly Republican porkbarrel porgrams,. Time to step it up and play hard ball with the fear and paranoia crowd.

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HAHAHAHA Red states propping up the blue states? Good one!! The red states get more government subsidies then any of the states, quit deluding yourself. Of course I know what a blue dog is and what single payer are. Again, the Democrats want full universal coverage, this single payer crap is one step down from that. The HOPE was that the blue dogs would buy into it, but of course, they don't, those campaign payments from insurance companies and pharma prevent that.

 

I know I'll be laughing my a$$ off after they use reconciliation to get around the same GOP jerks who opposed social security and medicare for our citizens, and as punishment and as a way to comply with reconciliation rules, kill a bunch of GOP pork projects and toss in all those secular progressive agenda things (like say abortions) you wanna whine about. And the best part, I will be overjoyed with the notion that REAL progress and change has been made, no thanks to the freepers. Kiss 2012 goodbye.

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OK ... definition first. We have to be clear on the definition of the term "single payer." This means that there's one entity that writes the checks for all health care services. Prescription drugs, doctor visits, hospital stays ... one person writes the checks. Now of course that one person will be the government. Now I suppose you could have a situation where that one person would be one insurance company ... but it would be an insurance company selected by the government and, of course, controlled by the government. Hopefully you can see if the "single payer" is the government, then the government decides what gets paid for and what does not. This means the government gets to determine the extent of your access to health care, prescription drugs, etc. "Single payer" sounds innocuous enough, but it is merely a euphemism for "government."

 

Now the current debate is whether or not Obama and the looters are taking us to a single payer plan .. a plan where government makes all the decisions as to who gets paid how much for what medical-related service. The language is pretty clear. There's no "taking out of context" stuff here. Listen to the clip and see for yourself. Remember .. if all payments for health care come from the government ... the single payer ... where are the private health insurance companies? Gone! That's where.

 

So .. the people don't like what they're hearing, and the White House reacts. They pull out ABC retread Linda Douglass ... now in charge of White House propaganda for health care ... to do a little three-minute video trying to convince us that Barack Obama is not for a single payer plan. He's actually in favor of health insurance reform! You can watch Linda Douglass' White House video here She plays a couple of clips - recent clips - from Obama where he promises that you can keep your health insurance if you like it. Nowhere does she address Obama's previous dedication to a single payer plan. Nowhere does she mention that once there is any change, no matter how minute, in your private plan you must drop that plan and head to the government plan.

 

This is a lady who has sold her soul to the cause of socialized medicine. Pretty much what you would expect from a network news hack.

[phreakwars]

Actually, people DO like what they are hearing, but unfortunately, you have groups like free republic out there who are trying to distort the REAL polls on this

 

HEALTH CARE POLL TO FREEP

 

The poll BEFORE being freeped, according to free republics own admission.

 

HEALTH CARE POLL TO FREEP

10Connects Tampa, FL ^ | 8/6/09 | none

Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:46:53 PM by jokyfo

Do you support the plan for health care reform?

No 32.5%

Yes 60.0%

Not Sure

All the way down, on the right.

Don't like a FAIR poll, then LIE, clear your cookies and distort the REAL vote.

 

Typical FREEPERS at work. Very childish, they pulled that shiit all through the election to make it look like support for McCain was higher then it actually was, and look what REALLY happened.

 

Distorting the facts by freeping polls WON'T win any elections and it WON'T prevent the health care plan from passing either.

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[ImWithStupid]

Just can't let this go. It's funny, really, that the Democrats are so scared. They're shell-shocked. How DARE these people show up to protest the Democrat's biggest power grab since FDR? The ungrateful scumbags! The looters know they have to come up with a story, and the best they can do is to demonize the protestors. They insist on pinning any opposition to healthcare reform as a "mob." They want to convince the American public that the only people who are opposing their plans for reform are those infamous "right-wing extremists!" (Weren't they supposed to insert "bigoted" and "mean-spirited" in there somewhere? Remember those people? Those are the people whom Janet Napolitano warned us about many months ago. The commercial says, "Desperate Republicans and their well-funded allies are organizing angry mobs just like they did during the election. Their goal? Destroy President Obama and stop the change Americans voted for overwhelmingly in November."

 

I wonder when they're going to get around to calling the opponents "terrorists."

 

It's the same old playbook, right out of Obama's mentor, Saul Alinsky's playbook that he used when he was organizing communities and during the campaign...

 

Always remember the first rule of power tactics (pps.127-134):

1. "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."

 

2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.

 

3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

 

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

 

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

 

6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

 

7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time...."

 

8. "Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose."

 

9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."

 

10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign."

 

11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative."

 

12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."

 

13. Pick the target, freeze it, ersonalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

Textbook example from the book and just like what all the drones in the MSM, Obama Administration and MSLSD get in their 8 A.M. email/phone call on what to say every day, through the Center for American Progress and John Podesta.

[phreakwars]

Here's more

 

Grade President Obama's first 200 days in office (Freep this Poll)

 

Poll to Freep! Where 0bama was today!

 

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FReep This Poll! No Joke Is the joker poster of the President offensive?

 

Freep This Poll--

 

Freep this Poll: The CNN National Report Card

 

Poll to Freep: Do you agree with the Parental Notification Law that in Illinois?

 

FREEP THIS POLL! Obama and the economy Q. The president's progress with the battered economy...

 

Their pretty damn delusional if they think cheating a poll will change the minds of people.

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[RoyalOrleans]

What the fukk is a FREEP?

 

The website nearly gave me a stroke.

[phreakwars]

Urban Dictionary: freeper

 

Urban Dictionary: freep

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