Activists say no letup for health protests

[phreakwars]

I have a not so secret crush on Rachel Maddow. Everytime my bf sees her on tv, he tells me my gf is on. Esp. after he found out she is gay. I had no idea.

Yeah, I'd do her, but damn, that hair style has GOT to go, it's too dyke-ish.

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[Chi]

Yeah, I'd do her, but damn, that hair style has GOT to go, it's too dyke-ish.

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That's why I'm totally perplexed why I didn't pick up on it. My bf kept saying she looks like a dyke even before he knew for sure.

[eddo]

Yeah, I'd do her, but damn, that hair style has GOT to go, it's too dyke-ish.

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It looks ok on Olberman...

[phreakwars]

Well anyways, I decided since I also have a facebook account, I'd make Heather my friend.... she accepted.... gosh was I flattered, she IS kind of a hotty.

 

So anyway, I checked out her friends list since I'm now her new pal, and the strangest thing... I noticed a guy named Dick Armey on her friends list...

 

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I don't know why... but I just had this really strange feeling I heard that name somewhere before.... just couldn't place it.... hmm...

 

Dick Armey, Dick Armey... hmm... hmm... still thinking...

 

OH CHRIST.... NOW I REMEMBER.... IT WAS THIS POST

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/on-topic-bs/36427-activists-say-no-letup-for-health-protests.html#post105396

 

Wow!! Imagine that!! The simple gal with no political affiliation who really just lives a couple blocks down the street from the town hall meeting has Dick Armey on her friends list.. Man, what a small world coincidence.

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[ImWithStupid]

I have a not so secret crush on Rachel Maddow. Everytime my bf sees her on tv, he tells me my gf is on. Esp. after he found out she is gay. I had no idea.

 

 

I wonder if she has to turn her head to the side while eating her lover out, with her crooked mouth?

[ImWithStupid]

SEIU Thugs Teach Health Care Protesters the ?Chicago Way? of Politics

Posted By Jim Hoft On August 7, 2009 @ 12:51 pm In . Feature 01, Crime, Free Speech, Politics, US News | 105 Comments

Barack Obama told [1] a crowd of supporters in Philadelphia back in 2008, ?If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.? He added, ?That?s the Chicago way.?

Last night in St. Louis, Missouri, a local conservative [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w]found out firsthand[/ame] [2] about the ?Chicago way.? Kenneth Gladney, a black conservative from the city, was handing out ?Don?t Tread On Me? flags after a Russ Carnahan town hall meeting on health care in Mehlville. This didn?t go over well [3] with the Obama supporters and union thugs who attended the meeting. They punched him in the face, kicked him in the head, and stomped on him on the pavement. So much for hope and change.

This is my first-person account of what I saw at the the town hall meeting in Mehlville.

I was running late for the Carnahan meeting last night. The doors opened at 6:00 PM and it was around 6:20 when I arrived at Bernard Middle School in St. Louis county. The parking lot was already full. The streets next to the school were also filled up. I ended up walking about three blocks to reach the school. By the time I arrived, the line outside of the school was about 200 yards long [4]. The line wrapped around the front of the building and halfway down the school?s driveway. I was told they had already stopped letting people inside the building. The people up front were told that they could not let anyone else in because of a fire code.

I continued up to the front of the school and a friend I ran into told me to try the media entrance on the side of the building. My friend thought it was a media entrance. It wasn?t. It was marked ?handicapped,? but as I approached the side entrance, it was obvious that these were not handicapped individuals who the Carnahan staffers were letting in.

Several people entered through these doors. I pulled out my camera and [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ZJhR3T4aw]filmed the action[/ame] [5]. Right before I made it to the door the staffers let a man walk right in. Two SEIU members in purple shirts walked up to the door and did not even hesitate to enter the school. It was like they knew right where to go. But by this time the crowd of tea party protesters locked outside started to notice what was going on. They began yelling, and one man stepped in front of the SEIU members and asked that he be let in, too. Enough people were screaming now that the union members backed off and moved over to the side. The Carnahan staffers decided to stop letting people in this entrance.

There must have been 1,000 tea party protesters standing outside in the 90 degree heat and they were agitated. There were now a few SEIU members outside, and they started to taunt the crowd. Not a very smart move, but they didn?t seem to care. A former marine with his young son on his shoulders told the crowd not to react to the taunting. The crowd outside started to sing ?God Bless America.? This really seemed to ease the tension that was beginning to build outside the school.

Inside the school the chaos continued. The Carnahan people had roped off the gymnasium into two sides. One side was marked reserved. This was for the union supporters who arrived late for the event. The other side quickly filled up with tea party protesters. A couple of tea party taxpayers sat in the reserved section but moved after the union members arrived. They said they didn?t feel safe. There were several planned speakers who took turns talking before Rep. Carnahan took the stage.

As he spoke the crowd of union supporters continually interrupted him with their applause. A few of the tea party protesters left during this staged show by Carnahan and his cronies. After Carnahan was through speaking he said he was going to take a few questions. His staffers then pulled out a few questions and read them to him from their index cards. They said they had collected the cards beforehand, but the tea party taxpayers did not even know they were only taking questions that were written down. It was a total dog and pony show.

After the event, things got really out of control. The SEIU members were looking for trouble. They roamed the parking lot like a pack of thugs. Conservative Kenneth Gladney, who is black, was passing out ?Don?t Tread on Me? flags and tea party buttons to the taxpayers at the school. Unfortunately for Kenneth, the SEIU members were not happy that a black man was passing out tea party buttons. Kenneth?s lawyer described [3] what happened next:

The SEIU member used a racial slur against Kenneth, then punched him in the face. Kenneth fell to the ground. Another SEIU member yelled racial epithets at Kenneth as he kicked him in the head and back. Kenneth was also brutally attacked by one other male SEIU member and an unidentified woman. The three men were clearly SEIU members, as they were wearing T-shirts with the SEIU logo.

The three SEIU members were arrested at the scene. Kenneth was hurt badly and taken to the emergency room, where he was treated for his numerous injuries. We all hope that he recovers quickly from this vicious attack.

Tomorrow, Saturday, the St. Louis Tea Party Coalition is holding a rally at the local SEIU headquarters. We are going to demand justice [6] for Kenneth Gladney, who was brutally beaten on Thursday night. The St. Louis Coalition will request that the NAACP and the ACLU come out in support of Kenneth Gladney?s rights which were trampled by the union hooligans.

What happened on Thursday night may be the Chicago way of holding a town hall meeting. But it won?t fly in St. Louis.

[ImWithStupid]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlMU5ba-2Y&feature=related]YouTube - Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - St. Louis, 8/6/09 - Part 1[/ame]

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ZW5PDwi5M&feature=related]YouTube - Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - St. Louis, 8/6/09 - Part 2[/ame]

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2E4X5twQU&feature=related]YouTube - Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - St. Louis, 8/6/09 - Part 3[/ame]

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ZJhR3T4aw&feature=related]YouTube - DEMS SNEAK UNION THUGS INTO CARNAHAN TOWN HALL-- Tea Party Taxpayers Locked Out![/ame]

 

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAXJcRV6NIM]YouTube - Fight at Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event Raw Video 8/6/09[/ame]

August 7, 2009

Dear Mr. Hennessy:

I am Kenneth Gladney?s attorney. Kenneth was attacked on the evening of August 6, 2009 at Rep. Russ Carnahan?s town hall meeting in South St. Louis County. I was at the town hall meeting as well and witnessed the events leading up to the attack of Kenneth. Kenneth was approached by an

SEIU

representative as Kenneth was handing out ?Don?t Tread on Me? flags to other conservatives. The

SEIU

representative demanded to know why a black man was handing out these flags. The

SEIU

member used a racial slur against Kenneth, then punched him in the face. Kenneth fell to the ground. Another

SEIU

member yelled racial epithets at Kenneth as he kicked him in the head and back. Kenneth was also brutally attacked by one other male

SEIU

member and an unidentified woman. The three men were clearly

SEIU

members, as they were wearing T-shirts with the

SEIU

logo.

Kenneth was beaten badly. One assailant fled on foot; three others were arrested. Kenneth was admitted to St. John?s Mercy Medical Center emergency room, where he was treated for his numerous injuries. Kenneth was merely expressing his freedom of speech by handing out the flags. In fact, he merely asked people as they exited the town hall meeting whether they would like a flag. He in no way provoked any argument or altercation, as evidenced by the fact that three assailants were arrested.

We hope that Kenneth fully recovers from his injuries; however, he is in great pain at this time. We will be pursuing legal action at our discretion. This was a truly senseless hate crime carried out by racist union thugs. Regretfully, Representative Carnahan?s statements blaming Kenneth for being a disruptive force are wholly untrue and slanderous. We would like to think that an elected official in Representative Carnahan?s position would gather accurate information before carelessly rushing to judgment.

Kenneth supports conservative ideals, although he subscribes to no particular political party. We are calling on the

SEIU

, Representative Carnahan, and President Obama to condemn the racist actions of these union thugs. In the days to come, we will be investigating whether these thugs are working at the behest of Representative Carnahan and how strong their alliances to various organizations?such as ACORN?may be.

We hope the St. Louis

Tea Party

and

tea party

organizations around the country will protest Representative Carnahan?s offices and also protest

SEIU

offices in every major city across the U.S. These Democratic strong-arm tactics must end now.

Regards,

Attorney David B. Brown

[phreakwars]

Yep, seen THAT coming. Someone is propagating civil unrest. Might even make ya wonder about that NWO conspiracy.

 

I mean, it was only a matter of time. Think about it. Republicans are the more aggressive type, so of course they need to be the lead ins for the civil war. Democrats are more passive, but are by no means pussys, we would just rather ignore you and let you get your self satisfying class labeling out of your system. But man, keep it up and keep it up, just wait mother fukkers, just wait.

 

Remember we gotta give the Dems props for creating the Klan and starting most of the wars and the Republicans for ending them, so obviously, they are the MASTERS of hate and violence. The Repubs might scream loud and shout out names like a bunch of fukking babies and not let TRUE democracy have it's voice, But the Democrats will kick your ass if you don't stop being total bitches, chicken hawks, and pussys'. and just shut the fukk up and let your elected official hear a decent, rational discussion... you might learn something.

 

Alex Jones and TJ know very well Obama was a plant by the JEWS who of course own all the major media outlets like Faux News & MSNBC which can be 100% proven if you follow the money trail.

 

Now I figured out EXACTLY where all these ASTROTURFER disruptor's are coming from. They are DOUBLE AGENT LIBERALS !!

 

Man I got this all figured out !!

 

Alex Jones was RIGHT. Obama really is a member of the NWO, Clintons, Bush's, all them sons of bitches.

 

Obama is propagating FAKE reports of what is going to be in the health bill, using his liberal operatives, they infiltrate with the old people because they will scare easier... The claim to be either Republicans or "PATRIOTS" and get these old people all scared and worked up, and even crying... Sicko's, planning to take out the elderly first in that plan to reach the 250,000,000 population goal.

 

Then, knowing the Republicans are chicken little's, and scare easy, get them screaming and roudy so they start intimidating the liberals who don't know of the REAL plan.

 

And there you have it, the guys who had to tolerate the hissy fit rampage decide enough is enough.. and

 

POLICE STATE COUNTDOWN...

 

Hey Joe, you haven't happen to have gotten any pre warning memos from the NWO about civil unrest have ya?

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[ImWithStupid]

Not sure WTF you're getting at, it seems you're denying the union guy attacked the protester, IDK, but my point was, this is a bunch of crap.

 

I don't care what your stance is, or who you back or what you want, this crap is wrong.

 

We've been hearing about this from both sides.

 

Civil disobedience is fine.

 

When you strong arm someone, it's BS.

 

There's crap about Congressmen and women "feeling threatened". IMO that could be anything. Politicians can cry that crap if someone disagrees with them.

 

This kind of crap needs to stop! I don't care who you are.

 

What makes this look bad the most is it has the appearance of a direct response to BHO calling for leftist to hit back twice as hard.

 

I'm sure this isn't what the President meant, but it seems he might not have learned from his "teachable lesson" from the Gates thing, that he needs to watch what the fukk he says.

[phreakwars]

The point in my last post, minus all the drama. Is that it was WAY to easy to tell this was gonna start happening. Personally, I'm not gonna get into a "POST THE YOUTUBE CLIP OF THE ASSAULTS" showdown with you. Come on man, YOU knew it was coming too.

 

I know they are coming to Nebraska soon. Adrian Smith has a town hall in York I think. I have seen the evidence, and I'm sure you have too, of people being bussed in.

 

Personally, I think Nebraska is one of those states where all this damn bickering and screaming at each other is beneath us.

 

I think we as Nebraskans, if we chose to participate in the upcoming town hall, should have at the VERY MINIMUM, the requirement of PROOF OF RESIDENCE is made at the door. Just a simple ID check to make sure the participant is IN FACT a fellow Nebraskan, or does IN FACT live in that district. Adrian Smith it OUR representative, not New Yorks, or Washington's, or Arizona's, ours, and if we need to have a screaming match (doubt that), we don't need no damn instigators there egging it on. Adrian deserves his fair moment as do all the members of the audience to engage in a civil debate with their fellow neighbors.

 

This shiit, has GOT to stop. It actually kinda sickens me to see older people, who are already half scared out of their mind, and absolutely uninformed, go into a damn panic frenzy and start screaming and crying about horrors that don't exist. WTF?

 

Enough of the propaganda, will someone PLEASE read the bill and set the record straight.

 

It's never gonna end until the lunatic fringe calms the hell down.

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[ImWithStupid]

It is funny though that you bring up all that BS conspiracy crap, because if anything like this happened in the Bush years, where a powerful group like the SEIU who eats breakfast every day with the President, were to be called out like BHO did to "hit back" at the opposition, your buddies would have been drowning in their own drool over the NWO crap.

 

It's nice to see no matter who's in charge, you all can claim the right wing is doing some NWO movement.

 

I'm sure this fits in there with your side's claims of Bush/Cheney (I love how every little person in the Bush admin represented his view no matter what is said, but if a couple of nobodys like the Sec of the Treasury and the White House Economic Advisor say something it doesn't mean that it's the opinion of the administration, by the way) blew up the WTC, blew up the levies in New Orleans but only after they conjured up a hurricane to throw at the city, created FEMA concentration camps and were force sterilizing of the gays and their dogs.

 

BUSH, CHENEY, HALIBURTON, ILLUMINATI, BILDERBERGS, <in my best Howard Dean impersonation> Hee Yaaa!!!

[ImWithStupid]

The point in my last post, minus all the drama. Is that it was WAY to easy to tell this was gonna start happening. Personally, I'm not gonna get into a "POST THE YOUTUBE CLIP OF THE ASSAULTS" showdown with you. Come on man, YOU knew it was coming too.

 

I know they are coming to Nebraska soon. Adrian Smith has a town hall in York I think. I have seen the evidence, and I'm sure you have too, of people being bussed in.

 

Actually, no. I don't think that vid you posted proved that people are bussed in, but it's possible. Rachel Madcow didn't even challenge that stance. You seemed to come to that conclusion on your own, but whatever.

 

 

Personally, I think Nebraska is one of those states where all this damn bickering and screaming at each other is beneath us.

 

I really don't think it will happen. I predict more of something like the vid from Connecticut that I posted.

 

 

I think we as Nebraskans, if we chose to participate in the upcoming town hall, should have at the VERY MINIMUM, the requirement of PROOF OF RESIDENCE is made at the door. Just a simple ID check to make sure the participant is IN FACT a fellow Nebraskan, or does IN FACT live in that district. Adrian Smith it OUR representative, not New Yorks, or Washington's, or Arizona's, ours, and if we need to have a screaming match (doubt that), we don't need no damn instigators there egging it on. Adrian deserves his fair moment as do all the members of the audience to engage in a civil debate with their fellow neighbors.

 

 

I'm not a fan of Adrian Smith, but since you brought it up, I very much disagree with you on Sen. Nelson. I believe that Sen. Nelson has historically voted and done what he feels his constituents want of him and does what he thinks is right. I think it's the same here.

 

Sen. Nelson has a view that most in Congress and especially the Senate don't have. He's been a businessman. He knows what legislation can do to jobs and those who create jobs.

 

Most in Congress don't know what it's like to manage more than the few employees of a law firm, where Nelson ran a very large and successful business.

 

I don't believe his concerns are made by the insurance companies. I think he has genuine concerns of how this legislation will affect businesses and employment.

 

 

This shiit, has GOT to stop. It actually kinda sickens me to see older people, who are already half scared out of their mind, and absolutely uninformed, go into a damn panic frenzy and start screaming and crying about horrors that don't exist. WTF?

 

Enough of the propaganda, will someone PLEASE read the bill and set the record straight.

 

It's never gonna end until the lunatic fringe calms the hell down.

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Funny you should bring this up again. For the past four decades it's been a standard threat and fear mongering point of the Democrats to tell old people that if they vote Republican, they will take away your social security benefits and medicare. Now that the right brings up concerns, it's disgusting and unforgivable.

 

 

I do agree, and wish I knew of some foundation or think tank that is impartial, non-partisan and unbiased that could evaluate the House and Senate bills and give the people an executive summary of what could be expected of it.

 

What concerns me is the even after the White House called in the CBO guy and tried to strong arm him, it wouldn't give the plan a good rating.

[phreakwars]

Yeah, I've actually watched a bunch of his "INFOWARS" (Alex Jones ripped his site name off from my Phreakwars name BTW... it's true, it's true) I saw his huge GWB conspiracy thing with 9/11, the secret world leaders meetings. Not the ones we elected, but the REAL world leaders. Hillary made it on that list in his first film. Obama became the "CHOSEN ONE" after it was obvious Hillary was gonna lose the primarys and was just stalling for time and kissing ass to save face. McCain got desperate at that point and picked Palin which blew it for him right there because he tried pleasing a single sector of his base.

 

Honestly, I don't think John McCain WANTED to be President and threw the race. Yeah, I know he's fun to pick on, but honestly, I like the old man's spunk for taking one for the team and had watched him repeatedly defend Obama to the fringers. It was about the only thing to do when pushing all the more important middle of the roaders the other guys way by stiring up the whack jobs.. CLASSIC YOUTUBE right there, no doubt!! People would watch that and go... UH, AIN'T NO WAY I'M VOTING THE SAME AS THOSE FREAKS.

 

For that, John McCain deserves another medal.

 

Only problem was, McCain forgot to throw the lunatics back in their cage before the "I concede" speech we wait for every 4 years, and they started growing like a virus.

 

The occasional "Obama's a terrorist" shouts coming from the rallys have now turned into a frenzy of misinformation. fear, and panic.

 

And it REALLY doesn't help the guy just happens to be black.

 

THAT NIGGA IZ GONNA GET HIZSELF SHOTZ.

 

Tell me you don't see THAT coming.

 

I really wish people would have stayed with my initial safe bet Democrat candidate Edwards. A resession ain't no place for a black man!!

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[ImWithStupid]

I think McCain wanted to win too much. I think McCain gave himself over, completely to the single worst campaign advisors in history.

 

I think if John McCain would have been the same John McCain that campaigned in 2000, he would have won because I think the only reason he lost that RNC primary race to Bush was Bush's daddy's mojo. Even with the fervent desire for a new coarse, if McCain had just been the real "straight talk" guy he was in 2000, not the fake/manufactured/controlled version that he was in 2008, I think he could have pulled it off.

 

You saw glimpses of what McCain could have been when he was allowed to be himself. Like when he was on SNL, when he was telling jokes at that dinner, etc... but they didn't let him be himself.

 

If you look at McCain before the campaign and now after he lost, he's a very real person. The most middle of the road, relate to a broad range of American's, possibly ever.

 

I think McCain's campaign managers will go down in history as the people who ran the most negligent campaign for POTUS in history. (post primary anyway)

 

I think Edwards would have been another John Kerry for the Dems if McCain ran a 2000 style campaign. Obama had it goin. The youth, he could speak well, he could stay on the talking points and I don't mean this as a negative, but he learned alot from his community organizer days and the teachings of Saul Alinsky and along with David Axelrod who had his test campaign in Deval Patrick's campaign for Governor of Massachusetts (he even in a rare campaign mistake embarrasingly recycled one of Patrick's speeches for Obama) put them to use in what was possibly the best run campaign in US history.

 

 

All that said, I still believe that the nation would have been better off with McCain as President. I think the nation does best when opposing parties control the Executive and Legislative branches as long as neither is too radical.

 

We did great things with Reagan and a Dem congress. Under Clinton after the Reps took over congress and did poorly when both were under Dem control with Carter and both in Rep control under Bush.

 

I think the current congress is too far left radical and without a check in the White House, it's going to be bad, just as when the congress was out of control and Bush wasn't a check in the White House. A rubber stamp is never good.

 

This is one of reason I'm really concerned now. At least under the Rep controlled congress under Bush the media was there to keep in check, but at this point under Obama and Pelosi/Reid controlled congress we don't have the media to keep them in check... yet. I think it's coming and slowly getting there. (I hope )

 

 

BTW, you've insinuated that I'm a Rep partisan hack. FYI, I didn't vote for either Obama or McCain, I have always voted for Nelson and in 2006, I voted for Scott Kleeb over Adrian Smith for 3rd District for Congress. I did vote for Johannes over Kleeb in the Senate in 2008 because Kleeb is too much of an unknown, and the Senate is too powerful of a position for an unknown and I think Johannes had already established a fairly positive record.

 

So, my point is that I vote for who I feel is best. Not by party.

[phreakwars]

Well,, I guess I can agree with ya a bit there about McCain, he DID have his good moments and WAS robbed of his shot by Bush. Perhaps it was all his campaign guys fault, perhaps they were sparing him the horror. The REAL serious question back then was "WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS WOULD WANT TO TAKE OVER WHERE BUSH LEFT OFF" Man, NOT ME.... Screw that noise. Obama will be a 1 turn President if he doesn't fix the masses. Won't matter what he can do for health care or world peace.

 

It's why I REALLY wish Republican congressman will start stepping up to the plate and being AT LEAST more supportive of the guy instead of the usual segment on a Fox news spin show bitching and complaining. They are a key to him accomplishing anything really. Nothing will get done for the better or for the worse until the masses are in sync with each other.

 

If he wanted to show himself as a REAL "messiah" he'd worry about that first before attempting any thing else to fix our broke a$$ country.

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[ImWithStupid]

 

It's why I REALLY wish Republican congressman will start stepping up to the plate and being AT LEAST more supportive of the guy instead of the usual segment on a Fox news spin show bitching and complaining. They are a key to him accomplishing anything really. Nothing will get done for the better or for the worse until the masses are in sync with each other.

 

If he wanted to show himself as a REAL "messiah" he'd worry about that first before attempting any thing else to fix our broke a$$ country.

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I honestly don't think he cares. I may be wrong, but I feel he is fine with being a one term Pres as long as he does whatever he can to pass a Progressive agenda. I honestly think, and I think it's becoming more apparent, even in the media, that he is much more of a far left radical thinker than he led the masses to believe in the campaign.

[phreakwars]

Nah, he's been pissing off the extreme left liberals over on DU quite a few times in the last 6 months, Part of the reason IS because of the health care debate. I don't like the way he wants HR 3200 done myself because all he is basically doing is offering a public option but at a price. He wants to let the insurance companies keep handling it even though it would be a single payer pool. To hell with that noise, that's just bowing down and kissing their butts and giving them what they want all along. A maintained control of our health care. If ANYBODY needs regulated big time it's health care, not the markets. I don't feel confident with his alleged promise from the insurance industry that they are gonna seriously reform, not with a sweet package deal like that ripe for the pickings just for them. That isn't single payer to me, that's forced monopolized insurance. But other, more centrist leaning Democrats see it as a good compromise to universal. Basically the government would be in the business of cutting checks to insurance companies instead of cutting checks to where they should REALLY go, the Hospitals.

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[phreakwars]

But, at least the FREEPERS couldn't freep these numbers.

 

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[hugo]

Those numbers don't transfer to votes, at least not in Texas.

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Sure, I imagine there are a few "professionals" in the mix, but most of the people I see speaking out against these things are real people, real voters, real tax payers who do not want this mess to pass.

[phreakwars]

Sure, I imagine there are a few "professionals" in the mix, but most of the people I see speaking out against these things are real people, real voters, real tax payers who do not want this mess to pass.

99% of which haven't even read the bill, and are too stupid to realize the plan is to let them keep what they already have.

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[timesjoke]

99% of which haven't even read the bill, and are too stupid to realize the plan is to let them keep what they already have.

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The Government plan does not have to make a profit, the ability to keep what you already have is erased by the elimination of free enterprise and competition. The Government system will be less expensive so the other insurance companies will be out of business.

 

 

You even admitted this yourself and said screw the insurance companies, I can quote you if you don't remember saying that.

 

 

Obama said in the interview being sent around that it will take about ten years to get rid of all the private insurance companies.

 

 

And the people not reading the bill are just like their represenatives. Every politician pushing this move is only doing so because of partisan politics, there is no "final" bill so nobody has "read the bill".

 

What we do know is what parts of it say, and those parts are very disturbing.

[RoyalOrleans]

The Government plan does not have to make a profit, the ability to keep what you already have is erased by the elimination of free enterprise and competition.

 

Exactly.

 

As long as I can fire the man-in-the-middle and hire someone else, I'm happy. That is the essence of the free market. You can't fire the government if they become your health care provider.

 

Right now, I'm shopping for life insurance. I have already visited two agents, and gotten competing quotes. What happens when the government takes that over? I'm pretty sure it will mean fewer options and more mandates.

[RoyalOrleans]

This is as old as civilization: You have a despot who wants to expand his power, and he finds someone or something to demonize. Here it's the insurance companies. Make them the focus of all that is evil in the world. You get the people so worked up about the evil insurance companies, you don't even see the greater evil of government health care sneaking up on you.

[ImWithStupid]

A little bit back on the topic of the thread I don't know if the "mob" is wholly "grass roots" but I'm willing to bet that the "mob" wasn't hired through an ad in Craig's List...

 

 

Craigslist ads recruiting 'Obamacare' lobbyists

'Help pass Obama's health care reform! Earn $325-$550 per week!'

 

Posted: August 10, 2009

9:14 pm Eastern

 

By Chelsea Schilling

? 2009 WorldNetDaily

 

Amid accusations of insurance companies and the Republican Party deploying "Astroturf mobs" of health reform opponents, help wanted ads are appearing on Craigslist that offer to pay citizens between $9 and $16 an hour to lobby for the passage of Obama's health care.

 

The ads are being posted by the Fund for the Public Interest, which describes itself as "a national nonprofit organization working to increase the visibility, membership and political power of the nation's leading environmental and progressive groups."

 

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One Sacramento Craig's List ad declares, "Help pass Obama's health care reform! Earn $325-$550 per week!"

 

It states:

 

Why is now the time to work for change?

 

Because we have a new president and new hope for a better America.

 

Because we need change like never before, on everything from the economy to climate change and more.

 

And because we know that the challenges we face, from ending our dependence on oil to winning the battle for equal rights, are huge ? and the politicians and powerful interests who stupidly and stubbornly resist change aren't calling it quits anytime soon.

 

America's leading advocacy groups are gearing up to meet these challenges this summer. In order to win, they need citizen support and grassroots action. That's where we come in.

 

At the Fund for the Public Interest, we've been organizing campaigns to protect the environment, stand up for the public interest, and defend human rights for more than 25 years. We've helped cut global warming pollution with Environment

America. And working with the Human Rights Campaign, we helped organize the grassroots opposition needed to defeat the discriminatory Federal Marriage Amendment.

 

Another Craigslist ad in San Francisco invited prospective applicants to "join motivated staff around the country working to make change happen."

 

"Now is our chance to make health care work," it states. "America's health care system is broken. Health care costs are spiraling out of control, throwing families, businesses and government into financial crisis. Families are worried their health coverage won't be there when they need it. Our country can't afford to wait for health reform that keeps costs down and protects consumers. We can't wait for affordable, dependable health care."

 

The same ad ran in the Craigslist Washington, D.C., section.

 

Similar ads were posted in Minneapolis, Minn., and Columbus, Ohio, sections.

 

Several blogs have noted that health care recruitment ads posted by the Fund for the Public Interest are springing up across the nation.

 

The Fund, listed as a top employer of college graduates, is a 501©(4) non-profit organization exempt from some federal income taxes that is hired by other political non-profits, such as the Sierra Club, Human Rights Campaign, Greenpeace, state Public Interest Research Groups and Environment America. Workers conduct door-to-door campaigns, street fundraising and telephone campaigns.

 

A recent federal class action lawsuit brought by thousands of current and former canvassers charges that the organization has paid less than minimum wage and refused to pay overtime compensation to its canvassers who work the streets collecting signatures and donations.

 

The D.C. Writeup reports that the Fund for the Public Interest "shuts down offices without prior notice, and fires workers if they do not collect enough donations."

 

According to the report, "The Fund has also been accused of facilitating voter fraud. In the summer of 2008, three people working for the Community Voters Project, which was affiliated with the Fund, were accused of filing fake voter applications in Virginia. The three found names from telephone directories and then, with made up Social Security numbers and birth dates, submitted the forms to election registrars."

 

According to its website, the Fund for the Public Interest has been hiring summer workers for door-to-door and street canvassing campaigns in the following states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin and Washington, D.C.

Craigslist ads recruiting 'Obamacare' lobbyists

 

 

classifieds - craigslist

 

 

CAMPAIGN JOBS FOR OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE PLAN! ($10-16/hr)

 

 

Support Obama - REFORM HEALTH CARE Earn $9-$14/HR