Activists say no letup for health protests

[timesjoke]

The problem is the Democrats are pissed off over the possibility that their own tactics are being used against them.

 

 

When Obama started in with the fake questions from his internet town hall meeting then the infomercial fake townhall meeting through ABC, he was the guy with completely created and false support for his program. Now people are trying to attach Obama's tactics to those who are against him but these are mostly real people, not the fake people the Democrats have.

 

 

Obama and company is employing Transference, they are seeing in other people what they themself do.

 

 

 

 

 

On the ending private insurance question, we see on page 16 of the house bill:

 

 

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day"

 

So once this public plan goes into effect, the private insurance companies cannot write new, or modify existing plans, only the Government will be allowed to add new members to their plan.

[phreakwars]

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day"

 

 

Instead of copy and pasting shiit from a website TJ, go and actually read the bill and see what it is talking about.

 

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•HR 3200 IH

1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT

2 COVERAGE.

3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4

ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of

5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6

erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health

7 insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance

8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the

9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:

10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—

11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in

12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance

13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll

14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15

fective date of coverage is on or after the first

16 day of Y1.

17 (B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PER18

MITTED.—Subparagraph (A) shall not affect

19 the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an

20 individual who is covered as of such first day.

21 (2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR

22 CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3) and except

23 as required by law, the issuer does not change any

24 of its terms or conditions, including benefits and

25 cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day be26

fore the first day of Y1.

[timesjoke]

lol, what the heck are you talking about?

 

I posted the relivant line off the page, do you refute that it says you cannot get new insurance converage after this bill goes into effect?

 

 

How about addressing the point?

[phreakwars]

Yeah, I'll address the point, your too stupid to realize this talks about a grandfather clause and when the cut off is for enrolling in a grandfather clause type program you moron.

 

READ THE BILL !!

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[wez]

 

 

 

How about addressing the point?

 

How about shutting the hell up?

[timesjoke]

Yeah, I'll address the point, your too stupid to realize this talks about a grandfather clause and when the cut off is for enrolling in a grandfather clause type program you moron.

 

 

All existing insurance is considered grandfathered Bender.

 

Read the bill with less Obama worship and you will see the truth instead of your trying to twist new meaning into what is there.

 

 

So, based on the fact that "all" existing insurance coverage is considered "grandfathered" by the bill, the statement clearly says you cannot get new coverage.

 

 

 

Let me stupid this down a little so even you can understand it.........

 

 

It is not grandafathered if you don't already have it, the house bill force private insurance companies to completely change their offerings so they cannot compete against the Government insurance plan. Every expert who is respected in the field and not just an Obama operative has said about 150 million people will be forced into the Government plan inside about 5 years.

 

That does not leave much for private enterprise.

 

 

But as I said before, you even admitted before private insurance companies would be eliminated and you even added in the screw them line, too late now to pretend they will survive.

[phreakwars]

READ THE BILL IDIOT !!

 

READ SLOW

 

This GRANDFATHER clause you are bitching about, is something the INSURANCE COMPANIES tossed in. Why would they do that?

 

Let's say your paying $200 a month right now for your premium, and you have a kid after the plan is inacted. The insurance companies don't want to allow you a different rate, they want to get more premiums out of you. So a consession that lawmakes had to make with the companies is to say.. OK, tell you what... We don't want you to deny coverage for others, so we'll allow a cutoff date that your current customers can have that they are gonna pay the same low rates they are already paying. We realize your gonna raise your premiums no matter what, so we are at least gonna have this clause in to PROTECT current insured customers.

 

MORON

 

READ THE BILL !!

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[timesjoke]

That is not what is written in the bill Bender.

 

Your so fast to tell everyone else to read the bill and offer exact words out of the bill and the bill does not say what your saying.

 

 

It clearly says "individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage".

 

If they are offering it, obviously they do not already have it, read further "if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day".

 

The effective date of coverage?????

 

Do you see that? Effective date.....that means it is not already in force at the time of this bill, that is the definition.

 

 

 

Take your own advise, read the bill and stop being a blind follower of your messiah Obama.

[phreakwars]

It DOESN'T say GRANDFATHERED COVERAGE PROVISIONS?

 

Man dude READ THE BILL

 

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200IH/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200IH.pdf

 

Quit reading 1 line and basing your conclusion off of it.

 

It's just like the DEATH SQUAD crap..

 

Are you watching the President on TV right now? Did he not just say this part was introduced by a REPUBLICAN in order to compensate people on medicare for... ahh hell with it..

READ THE BILL !!!

 

Page 425.

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[ImWithStupid]

Are you listening to the President? He just said that the only reason he isn't forcing a single payer plan right now, is it would be too destructive of a transformation from the current employer based system, all at once and would have to be changed over time to get to a health care system, where it's Medicare for all, over time.

 

He admitted, it's his goal, and this is being put in place to get us there.

 

That said, I've never said that is all that's in this bill, but that I don't agree with any bill that will set the groundwork for a single payer, government controlled plan.

[phreakwars]

Yep, I heard him, and this is why I said before I don't like the SINGLE PAYER option, I'd rather have UNIVERSAL. The single payer is getting tossed around, much to the disappointment of many Democrats.

 

I also heard him mention something about medicare part D passed without being paid for, but his plan won't be signed unless it COULD be payed for. And then having these same guys who passed Medicare Part D accuse him of being the spender.

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[timesjoke]

I read the bill and posted the actual words.

 

Your trying to offer backflip definitions to what is written. Nothing you say is in the bill.

 

 

Obama has been telling lies about his program from day one, that is why he refuses to give specific answers to questions, all he will do is talk in vague terms.

 

 

Don't forget the 4 completely different versions in the senate, nobody knows right now what this will look like, but we do know that Obama wants to one day eliminate all private insurance, he has said it many times and even you have admitted that is the goal.

[ImWithStupid]

Yep, I heard him, and this is why I said before I don't like the SINGLE PAYER option, I'd rather have UNIVERSAL. The single payer is getting tossed around, much to the disappointment of many Democrats.

 

I also heard him mention something about medicare part D passed without being paid for, but his plan won't be signed unless it COULD be payed for. And then having these same guys who passed Medicare Part D accuse him of being the spender.

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It won't be paid for as drafted and I bet dollars to donuts that he signs it but just like the stimulus bill, he will use his own biased numbers to claim he did it in good faith.

 

The CBO said that the WH numbers were off on the stimulus, but when things weren't as the WH said they would be, they claimed that everyone was wrong.

 

That was a lie.

[timesjoke]

It won't be paid for as drafted and I bet dollars to donuts that he signs it but just like the stimulus bill, he will use his own biased numbers to claim he did it in good faith.

 

The CBO said that the WH numbers were off on the stimulus, but when things weren't as the WH said they would be, they claimed that everyone was wrong.

 

That was a lie.

 

Exactly, everything Obama says is a lie, they will gin up some false numbers to pretend they are paying for this when in reality it will not be funded, not even by half.