timesjoke Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 I say what we should do, and what were are gonna eventually HAVE to do (circa Hugo's comment about eventually having to ration), is scrap VA, Military, Medicare, Medicaid and any other socialist ponzi scheme that we are paying for now, and combine them all together as one unit. Were gonna get forced into doing it anyway as these current system start to run dry. We can't tax our way out of it. You notice that ALL of those programs are health based. I'd like to know what would be the difference in dropping everyone off those programs in favor of everyone paying for each other. Instead of paying into a ponzi till we retire, we'd be paying into a system that doesn't call for us to get to a specific point in our lives for coverage (I.E. getting old, being disabled, serving the country, or being a vet who needs care). . . So take all the smaller failed Government health programs, bundle them all together, then increase them many times over to a single payer system as Obama wants......... The problem: If we cannot operate the systems we already have, what makes you think we will get a different result just by making it a hundred times larger? The Government does not possess the management skill needed to operate these programs, that is why they always fail and lead to corruption and severe rationing once they are in place. Quote
phreakwars Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 We can't operate the ones we have because they are operated as a ponzi. If they were all one system, they would no longer be ponzi, they would be distributed systems. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
timesjoke Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 We can't operate the ones we have because they are operated as a ponzi. If they were all one system, they would no longer be ponzi, they would be distributed systems. . . Where do you get that from? Making it larger does not change what it is Bender. It will still be ponzi. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 Well, lets see... using just the first link you posted and ignoring the opinion links from ABC and YAHOO, the report says: If you keep reading, it goes on to say.... Nope, not seeing a problem here... Read the report yourself. . . Then somehow you saw a rosy outcome that the head of the CBO didn't . You should apply for a job with them. It wasn't an "opinion" link. It was a direct quote from the director of the CBO. If you read what is in the whole report, it says that the money spent on preventative care will be as much as the end savings on medical treatment for the diseases that you prevent. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 We can't operate the ones we have because they are operated as a ponzi. If they were all one system, they would no longer be ponzi, they would be distributed systems. . . The only way to have a system that isn't set up to be a big ponzi scheme, is to have everyone pay for their own health care, or not include the poor people who pay nothing in. Quote
hugo Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 So take all the smaller failed Government health programs, bundle them all together, then increase them many times over to a single payer system as Obama wants......... The problem: If we cannot operate the systems we already have, what makes you think we will get a different result just by making it a hundred times larger? The Government does not possess the management skill needed to operate these programs, that is why they always fail and lead to corruption and severe rationing once they are in place. Why do you hate authority? Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
RoyalOrleans Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 Troll much? Well.... look at the pot calling the kettle black. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
timesjoke Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 Well.... look at the pot calling the kettle black. You have been making a lot of +1 troll posts lately RO. Quote
RoyalOrleans Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 You have been making a lot of +1 troll posts lately RO. I'm a lot of things, even a troll, but I ain't a hypocrite. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
timesjoke Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 I'm a lot of things, even a troll, but I ain't a hypocrite. Sure you are, your just better at playing the +1 troll game better than me, well actually I am not interested in your kind of trolling, so have fun with it....lol Quote
ImWithStupid Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64sd7k4M8E&feature=related]YouTube - Pee Wee & Frances[/ame] Quote
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