Another fake townhall meeting

[timesjoke]

Obama today held another strictly controlled townhall meeting where only prescreened people were allowed to attend. Most of the questions were set up in advance and Obama had pat, no detail answers ready for them.

 

He avoided anything close to specifics and again stuck to his tired early promises that have been proven completely false by anyone who actually pays attention.

 

 

There is no savings in this bill.

 

There is no protections for insurance companies.

 

The cost for this bill is huge, and as every other estimate the Obama administration has put out, most likely very, very wrong. Using past experience with Obama, this will cost 4 times as much as he is claiming.

 

 

The only thing this bill does is end more private secotor jobs and increase the power of the Government over our every day lives. Once they own our healthcare options (make no mistake, the guy paying is controlling), they will own the people.

 

 

This is a gateway bill, similar to a gateway drug where they get their foot in the door but intentionally include massive mistakes to force the Government to "fix" the "minor errors" and inch things closer and closer to the single payer system Obama has said from day one he wants.

[Old Salt]

FIRST, tort reform. THEN health insurance reform. It's the ONLY way to cut costs.

[timesjoke]

FIRST, tort reform. THEN health insurance reform. It's the ONLY way to cut costs.

 

Short, simple, true, wonderful post Salt. I agree completely.

 

 

I can see where we need some big changes in the insurance industry, but we can accomplish that without erasing such a massive amount of private sector jobs.

[ImWithStupid]

FIRST, tort reform. THEN health insurance reform. It's the ONLY way to cut costs.

 

 

Just like immigration. First secure the border, then decide what to do with those in the country illegally.

 

Health care without tort reform will not be effective.

 

Obama made a big deal about the $177 billion that is wasted on money going to insurance companies that could be used elsewhere, but flat out ignores the $185 billion per year wasted on excessive malpractice insurance.

[timesjoke]

The problem with doing the best and most effective things first in things like healthcare and immigration is if they do too much good, they cannot gin up the support they need to push America to their socialist agenda.

 

 

I blame the Republicans on this too, especially the immigration issue where they had a clear and loud stand from the people to secure our borders and refused to do it. I still cannot understand why both parties refuse to secure our borders.

 

 

 

Somthing I learned tonight was health insurance is restricted to State by State groups. It is estimated we can reduce costs of insurance by opening up insurance sales like auto insurance almost as much as tort reform.

 

 

So right there we have two very powerful solutions offered by Conservatives that will severely lower health care and insurance cost and increase competition that can be done "NOW" without the Federal Government spending more than what it takes to write the bills.

[phreakwars]

Yes, it's not a true town hall unless people are allowed to come in and scream and disrupt. Yes the Republicans who asked questions in the audience were planted there. You can tell they were fakes because they weren't screaming like a bunch of babies & raped banshees.

 

You obviously never read the bill, save for a couple of justBS topics and specific copy and pastes. If you did you'd realize there is some tort reform in it. You don't wanna believe there is because you don't wanna read it. But you would believe others about things that aren't in it.

 

This tells me you have no intention of ever backing health care reform, you'd much rather be like the other tea baggers and destroy it altogether. Even if it's been designed to help you. Your dead set against anything this administration wants to do, no matter if it's good or not. You should just shut the hell up like a good losing party and let the adults handle things

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[hugo]

I am surprised the Republicans that interrupt these meetings are not charged with a crime the way Professor Gates was for asserting his 1st Amendment rights.

[timesjoke]

Bender, admission to the event was strictly controlled, nobody was allowed to attend the meeting until they were screened and their questions were cleared.

 

 

 

 

Obama has said many times he will never support tort reform. The big meeting he had with the doctors a couple months ago he said the same thing to the tune of groans from everyone in the audience but he still charged foward preaching about how it is unfair to the all people to place any restrictions on lawsuits.

 

 

Your so fond of telling people to post the actual words from the bill I ask you the same thing, post the lines specifically reduding the awards of all medical lawsuits......if you can.

 

 

 

Tort reform and dropping barriers to allow cross state competition is the easiest thing to do, why not start there Bender? Why do you believe we have to solve every issue with the Government taking over things?

 

 

EDIT

 

Funny stuff.

 

Last night Obama claimed the AARP had endorsed his plan, he went on and on about it and today the AARP said they do not endorse Obama's plan.......I guess just more lies from Obama.

[ImWithStupid]

Unscripted town hall my ass...

 

The little girl who talked about mean signs at the Obama town hall (8/12: facebook page gone) - AR15.COM

[snafu]

I don't have to sit down, read this piece of crap and pretend to understand the bureaucratic mumbo jumbo. I?m sure you have a full grasp of what?s in front of you, right. But that?s why we elect leaders that have lawyers and a team of experts going over them. I believe the Republican Senators that spoken out against it and have listen to ones that don?t. They can bring it to laymen terms for such Americans as me.

[ImWithStupid]

I don't have to sit down, read this piece of crap and pretend to understand the bureaucratic mumbo jumbo. I’m sure you have a full grasp of what’s in front of you, right. But that’s why we elect leaders that have lawyers and a team of experts going over them. I believe the Republican Senators that spoken out against it and have listen to ones that don’t. They can bring it to laymen terms for such Americans as me.

 

 

The Health Care Bill

 

John David Lewis is a professor at Duke University.

[RoyalOrleans]

First I'd like to know where in The Constitution it says healthcare is a right.

 

Second, EVEN if we can somehow make the jump that healthcare IS a right, what compels the government to provide this right for us?

 

And finally, the second amendment gives us all the undeniable right to own guns. Following the Democrats logic, I just want to know; Where are my government guns?

 

I want my government gun! It's my right and it's the governments job to provide me with my rights...

 

Oh, wait. I've already seen how they provide my freedom of the speech and press.

 

But to make a point we should all start contacting our representatives asking them where our government guns are.

 

(sarcasticface)

[hugo]

First I'd like to know where in The Constitution it says healthcare is a right.

 

Second, EVEN if we can somehow make the jump that healthcare IS a right, what compels the government to provide this right for us?

 

 

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,

and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,

they may take the care of religion into their own hands;

they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish

and pay them out of their public treasury;

they may take into their own hands the education of children,

establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;

they may assume the provision of the poor;

they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;

in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation

down to the most minute object of police,

would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power

of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,

it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature

of the limited Government established by the people of America."

 

James Madison

[phreakwars]

Unscripted town hall my ass...

 

The little girl who talked about mean signs at the Obama town hall (8/12: facebook page gone) - AR15.COM

 

So her mom donated $636 to Obama's campaign... I donated almost $500, am I an insider too? Don't see her listed as a working for a Lobbyist like that Heather Chick in Minnesota was.

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[timesjoke]

The Obama administration has mandated a new medical symbol to represent their fresh ideas and change for the American people:

 

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[ImWithStupid]

So her mom donated $636 to Obama's campaign... I donated almost $500, am I an insider too? Don't see her listed as a working for a Lobbyist like that Heather Chick in Minnesota was.

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She donated $1,991 and you're talking about the Heather who had to be working for a lobbyist because she had Dick Armey as a friend on Facebook

 

 

This girls mom has a picture with Obama and one where she attended one of the inaugural balls.

 

She's also in a picture on the website forNEWFC...

 

NEW ENGLAND WOMEN FOR CHANGE was formed in February 2007 and was originally known as Massachusetts Women for Obama (MA WFO), a group dedicated to electing President Barack Obama to office.

 

During the 2008 primary season, MA WFO worked for then candidate Obama in seven states (as well as Puerto Rico), where we did canvassing and phone banking, and also attended rallies and fundraisers and visited churches to read Senator Obama?s message of hope to congregations.

 

While the general election campaign played out, MA WFO hosted highly successful fundraising events in and around Boston and on Martha?s Vineyard, raising significant funds for the campaign. From late summer 2008 through Election Day, we canvassed tirelessly in New Hampshire every weekend and phone banked regularly from Boston. And in the last two weeks before Election Day, many of us worked hard in NH and in distant battleground states.

 

POST ELECTION?

 

TODAY?because we want to support and advance our new President?s agenda, we continue our mission. We will help implement President Obama?s agenda by supporting progressive Democratic candidates and by working to raise money for Organizing for America, the political arm of the White House. New England Women for Change (NE WFC) holds regular group meetings, the dates for which will be posted on this website:

mission statement

 

 

Hell she was at the DNC convention in Denver.

 

Blue Mass. Group:: 7th Congressional District Obama Delegate Caucus

 

 

But I can see how your Facebook claim on Heather is more compelling that she works for him.

[Ahhlee]

First I'd like to know where in The Constitution it says healthcare is a right.

 

Second, EVEN if we can somehow make the jump that healthcare IS a right, what compels the government to provide this right for us?

 

And finally, the second amendment gives us all the undeniable right to own guns. Following the Democrats logic, I just want to know; Where are my government guns?

 

I want my government gun! It's my right and it's the governments job to provide me with my rights...

 

Oh, wait. I've already seen how they provide my freedom of the speech and press.

 

But to make a point we should all start contacting our representatives asking them where our government guns are.

 

(sarcasticface)

 

I called mine and he said it was in his pants....cokked and loaded.

 

I must have dialed the wrong number.

 

But now to get back on topic, this was a damn good point, RO. People throw around the word "right" so willy nilly these days. Everyone thinks they have the "right" to everything....especially the "right" to have free sh!t handed to them by good ol' Uncle Sam. This mentality is leading us down the path of self destruction....fast.

[ImWithStupid]

So her mom donated $636 to Obama's campaign... I donated almost $500, am I an insider too?

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No, but an old saying comes to mind. Something about money and a fool.

[timesjoke]

The promise is for equal opportunity, not equal results.

[RoyalOrleans]

Sheila Jackson Lee, the incredibly dense congresswoman from Houston, has managed to out-do herself. At a time when the Democrats are really fighting a disastrous PR image because of the town hall response to healthcare reform ... Sheila Jackson Lee definitely didn't help her cause with this arrogant stunt.

 

Here's what happened. Jackson-Lee decided to actually hold a town hall meeting in her district, which is more than a lot of her fellow Democrats can say. But during her town hall meeting a woman stands up and starts to explain why she is opposed to the Democrat healthcare plan. While the woman is speaking, Sheila Jackson Lee actually answers her cell phone. Yes, she gets out her cell phone while a constituent is making a statement during this town hall. Unbelievable. Even the crowd thinks it is unbelievably rude. This is like saying to the constituent "Blab all you want. I'm not interested in your opinion, I have a call to take here.' But what more did they expect from this woman. This is the same "public servant" who just used their tax dollars to appear at Michael Jackson's funeral. You people in Texas should be ashamed that you keep electing this twit into office. She actually thinks that our astronauts have planted an American flag on Mars, for goodness' sake. This is exactly the entitlement mentality that prevails in Washington these days. These politicians only care about one thing and that is maintaining power. Many of them simply do not have the job skills to earn in the private sector what they do in Congress. They are in love with the perks and the prestige and they sure as hell aren't there to represent the people of their district

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L3FnWNkIzU&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee talks on the phone as a woman asks a question at a town hall event[/ame]

[timesjoke]

I was cooking at the time someone was interviewing a democrat politician about why he supported obama care so I missed their name but the interviewer asked him "the polls now show for your district that 53% of the people are against this bill, will you listen to the voters or will you do your own thing?"

 

 

The guy said that this Nation was not a democracy and majority does not rule. He believes the peoples voice is important but he has to do what he believes is right even if every voter says no.

 

 

I will say this about the man, at least he is the only honest Democrat speaking about Obama care and their intention to pass this no matter what the people say.

[RoyalOrleans]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZkX18ha2DQ]YouTube - Alan Grayson Town Hall Meeting - Orlando, FL - 8.17.09[/ame]

 

Let's deal with this town hall meeting held by Central Florida Democrat Alan Grayson last night. Grayson chose a local IBEW union hall for the meeting. The meeting room could hold no more than 120 people. Now that's the way to reach out to your constituents congressman! What's more, immediately before Grayson's meeting local Democrats were holding a meeting in the same town hall. This meant that many of the people - actually, most of the people who showed up to make their objections to ObamaCare known found the meeting room already filled with Democrats who had just finished their meeting. The looters stayed, of course, for the Grayson town hall. Don't really need to say much more about this one ... I think you get the picture, and I think that Alan Grayson is probably a one-term Democrat.

 

Meanwhile another Florida Democrat, Congressman Alan Boyd, held three town hall meetings on Monday. Here we seem to have a Democrat who actually wants to hear from his voters. Boyd is now saying that maybe we should just scrap the whole ObamaCare plan and start over. He cannot, he says, support the bill as it is now.

 

I've also had some time to study the so-called co-op plan now being touted by some Democrats. Sorry, but I'm not impressed. I think in the final analysis this idea for state-run co-operative health insurance companies is just another way to run the private health insurance companies out of business and move to a single-payer plan.

 

If you're still out there thinking that the Democrats are actually wringing their hands out of concern for the quality and availability of health care, I don't know what to say to you. Some people are just more gullible than others. Hopefully more and more Americans are recognizing that the issue here is control, not health care. Clearly if the looters were concerned about quality and availability they would be looking to the private sector. Argue all you want, but there has never been a better mechanism devised by man to deliver needed goods and services to the general public than the free market --- and you have to look long and hard to find any respect paid to the free marketplace in any of the Democrat plans being tossed about Washington.

 

Single-payer means one thing -- government control. Just who do you think the single-payer would be? If all medical bills are paid by one entity ... whether they're bills for visits to the doctor, prescription drugs, hospital stays or imaging services ... if those bills are to be approved and paid by one entity (single-payer) then that entity controls health care. That entity decides what gets paid for and what does not, and it decides who gets paid and who does not. That's absolute control, and that's what the left is after. The sooner the people in this country awake and see this monster at the foot of their beds, the safer we all are.

 

Oh ... Let's hold off on all that blather about how good this ObamaCare dust-up is for the Republican party. From where I sit and run my mouth the GOP can't claim any credit for ObamaCare's problems at all. I have yet to see a comprehensive Republican bill offered to respond to the Democrat's efforts. If there is such a bill, I'm not aware of it, and that in itself is a problem.

[timesjoke]

There have been many ideas out of the Conservatives but let's look at it from the worse possible angle of no plan or ideas as you claim.........Why would that really be a bad thing against them?

 

 

That is like asking why we don't have SUV's that operate on water instead of gas.........maybe there just is not a "good answer to the question "YET".

 

 

I believe the first step should be massive tort reform and removing State restrictions that keep 95% of the competition stifled. Then go after redundant testing and over medicating/over doctoring patients just to have something to bill for. None of this requires massive new Government spending or increasing it's power beyond what it already has at it's disposal.

[RoyalOrleans]

About six protestors were legally wearing guns on their hips. One was carrying a semi-automatic rifle. I've said that I thought that this was a bit over the top ... not a good idea ... but let's focus on what MSNBC's Contessa Brewer had to say:

 

"A man at a pro-health care reform rally just outside wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip. The Associated Press about a dozen people in all at that event were visible carrying firearms.

 

The reason we're talking about this--a lot of talk here Dylan--because people feel like yes, there are Second Amendment rights, for sure, but also there are questions about whether this has racial overtones. You have a man of color in the Presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waists."

 

OK .. let's ferret out the "facts" contained in Contessa's news story.

 

?We had a rally for ObamaCare

?A man at that rally was carrying a semiautomatic assault rifle

?The man carrying the rifle was white.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - MSNBC: Gun-Toting Protesters are 'White' Racists... Black Guy with AR-15 Edited to Conceal his Race.[/ame]

[timesjoke]

According to Obama, all white cops are racists, not a big jump to say all whites are racists too.