Crazywumbat Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 2) There is agood reason for this rule, a debator can propose any preposterous statement as long as he absolved from backing up the statement. Sort of like proposing something rediculous such as an omnipotent, omniscient being, presiding over humanity? Quote I promise to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. That I will never just accept what I am told. That I will never fall in love with safety and forget liberty. I promise that I will look for the lie in every pretty story and the bribe in every convenience.
Crazywumbat Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I don Quote I promise to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. That I will never just accept what I am told. That I will never fall in love with safety and forget liberty. I promise that I will look for the lie in every pretty story and the bribe in every convenience.
angie Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 Minus the whole thing about the great flood encompassing the entire planet, not a small section of it. So back pedal all you want, science HAS proven the bible wrong on that point. In Biblical times (and prior), they thought where they were WAS the whole world. How am I backpedaling? I've already stated I'm not a Christian, so obviously I don't take the Bible as anything other than fables, with traditional stories told by word of mouth (IE the flood) incorporated into it. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Jhony5 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I don’t believe anything has or can be proven or disproved with the present technology. If this in reference to the flood. Sedimentary laying has completely debunked any possibility of this ever having happened. No question whatsoever. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Jhony5 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 Unless, of course, you redundantly repeat yourself over and over again! I will stipulate what logic is... How does logic invalidate the bible? OK... I am waiting... 1) Debating 101... The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the one who proposes a statement. YOU proposed the statement that logic has "dissolved" the authenticity of the bible... I am still waiting on the proof. 2) There is agood reason for this rule, a debator can propose any preposterous statement as long as he absolved from backing up the statement. 3) I fail to see how a story can be either true or false simply by the absence or presence of known fact. For example: "Hogan's Heroes" is not a TRUE story because U.S. forces were in Europe fighting Nazi forces in the early 1940's. Homer's "Iliad" is not a False story because it fails to mention the "bronze age". SO what your fuckin saying, honestly, is that you find the story of Adam & Eve to be logical? Go ahead and say it. Please. Your debating the correct usage of the word 'logic'. As opposed to addressing my points. Lets talk about your 'Hogans Heros' analogy just briefly. Its "logical" for one to say that Hogans Hero's was a comedy set in a world war II time frame. Its "illogical" to say that Hogans Hero's was a true story based on the complete lack of supporting evidence. Now take that and translate it directly to the bible. One could logically claim that it was set correctly in a historical context. One CANNOT claim that the tales of the flood, Adam and Eve, Genesis, or the resurrection are logical in anyway whatsoever. YOU CAN'T SAY THIS! How does logic invalidate the bible? Because...............sedementary layering, which we all learned in elementary school, shows this to be purposterous..............women weren't created from the rib of a man...............The earth does not sit upon pedestals, as claimed in the book of genesis...............AND DEAD PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING WALK GOD DAMMIT!!!!! Dispute my logic. Just try motherfucker. I dare you to continue to stick your head up your ass. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 SO what your fuckin saying, honestly, is that you find the story of Adam & Eve to be logical? Go ahead and say it. Please. Your debating the correct usage of the word 'logic'. As opposed to addressing my points. Lets talk about your 'Hogans Heros' analogy just briefly. Its "logical" for one to say that Hogans Hero's was a comedy set in a world war II time frame. Its "illogical" to say that Hogans Hero's was a true story based on the complete lack of supporting evidence. Now take that and translate it directly to the bible. One could logically claim that it was set correctly in a historical context. One CANNOT claim that the tales of the flood, Adam and Eve, Genesis, or the resurrection are logical in anyway whatsoever. YOU CAN'T SAY THIS! Because...............sedementary layering, which we all learned in elementary school, shows this to be purposterous..............women weren't created from the rib of a man...............The earth does not sit upon pedestals, as claimed in the book of genesis...............AND DEAD PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING WALK GOD DAMMIT!!!!! Dispute my logic. Just try motherfucker. I dare you to continue to stick your head up your ass. You win, it's illogical. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Outlaw2747 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I can easily debunk the whole story of Noah's Ark with ONE animal. A shrew. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
Jhony5 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I can easily debunk the whole story of Noah's Ark with ONE animal. A shrew. Oh come on. Its perfectly LOGICAL for a man to gather 4 billion species together and travel around on a boat with them all for months. I have to ask. Why a shrew? Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
snafu Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I have to ask. Why a shrew? Thanks for askin. I thought it was just me that didn't get that. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
angie Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 Thanks for askin. I thought it was just me that didn't get that. You know....stuck on an ark, with an intolerable, bitchy, nagging woman. Noah would've abandoned ship. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Outlaw2747 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 Why a shrew? Consider its biological history. Also keep in mind there are SEVERAL species of shrew. The shrew is a furry little critter that looks like a mouse. It is primarily a carnivore (first flaw to Noah's Ark). But there is something else that needs to be known. If this animal doesn't eat for about an hour or two (depending on the species) it DIES OF STARVATION. (second flaw) Now let's do the simple math. It is a carnivore, it would require several types of animal for it to survive which would include arthropods, rodents, and small reptiles and amphibians. EVERY HOUR OR SO. Now imagine how much this animal possibly goes to the bathroom (third flaw). It would not survive its 40 day ordeal. Let's not forget there are only two of every animal on this ship. None of them can be used for food for the others or it will just defeat the purpose. If this doesn't deny the enitre story of Noah's Ark, then I don't know what does. Oh and I am quite sure the shrew has been around alot longer than mankind. We are a very recent species by comparison. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I guess you either believe in miracles or you don't... Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Jhony5 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 Now imagine how much this animal possibly goes to the bathroom I'd be more concerned with the elephant droppings. I saw a show once where they tried to show what the ark would have to have looked like in order to even come close to holding that many animals, feed, and storage. It was like 2 or 3 city blocks in size. The whole theory doesn't float. (((hehehehe)) Get it? Float? Harharharhar heee hee hooo hooo har dee ho Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Jhony5 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I guess you either believe in miracles or you don't... I don't......... Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Outlaw2747 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I guess you either believe in miracles or you don't... True. I am not trying to shit on anybody who believes in God though. I am just simply explaining why I personally think the story didn't happen. AT LEAST not in the way the Bible depicts is. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
Outlaw2747 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 I'd be more concerned with the elephant droppings. I saw a show once where they tried to show what the ark would have to have looked like in order to even come close to holding that many animals, feed, and storage. It was like 2 or 3 city blocks in size. The whole theory doesn't float. (((hehehehe)) Get it? Float? Harharharhar heee hee hooo hooo har dee ho LMAO! I would imagine it would be bigger. Now this makes me wonder about the life in the water. How did they survive? How were they regulated? Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
hugo Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 Actually there were 14 of every animal on the ark. Some extra ones for the shrew to eat. not that it could not gnaw on a live elephant. Let me correct myself "Then the Lord said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; also seven each of birds of the air, male and female..." Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Jhony5 Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 LMAO! I would imagine it would be bigger. Now this makes me wonder about the life in the water. How did they survive? How were they regulated? Maybe Mel Gibson would like to tackle this in cinematic format. I can see it now. I bet he'd catch all the historical accuracy and drama that he did with 'The Passion'. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Komrade Vostok Hazard Posted September 3, 2006 Posted September 3, 2006 LMAO! I would imagine it would be bigger. Now this makes me wonder about the life in the water. How did they survive? How were they regulated? Considering that the big saltwater ocean flooded the earth it would taint the much smaller freshwater lakes, and freshwater fish can't survive in saltwater...... Quote All bullshit, No Business.
RoyalOrleans Posted September 3, 2006 Posted September 3, 2006 Which brings me to the theory that during the time of Moses and the Ark, the known world was that small armpit of land called the "Middle East". Perhaps they had an unusual amount of rain that season and the rivers swelled. And where did civilizations of the day build their villages, town, and cities? Near a water supply.. like the Tigris, like the Euphrates, like the Nile... The rest of the story is a pretty little fairy tale written by celibate monks. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
Outlaw2747 Posted September 3, 2006 Posted September 3, 2006 Considering that the big saltwater ocean flooded the earth it would taint the much smaller freshwater lakes, and freshwater fish can't survive in saltwater...... Exactly. My point exactly. So why the hell are there still trout and pike swimming our rivers? Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
angie Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 Exactly. My point exactly. So why the hell are there still trout and pike swimming our rivers? You can't question the graces of God. God works in mysterious ways and defies all logic. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Outlaw2747 Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 You can't question the graces of God. God works in mysterious ways and defies all logic. A common excuse. Though the last part of your statement (defies all logic) is very true. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
angie Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 A common excuse. Though the last part of your statement (defies all logic) is very true. How about......God enabled all of his creatures to survive so that they might thrive in his whole new world? Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Outlaw2747 Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 How about......God enabled all of his creatures to survive so that they might thrive in his whole new world? Nope, as far as Noah's Ark is concerned it still doesn't make sense. Just another excuse to justify God's actions that are not clearly stated in the bible. By the way, you forgot to capitalize "His" twice. He might not like that. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
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