Creation/Evolution

[timesjoke]

I asked RO to make a new thread but he does not want to so I am making one for him being as he is still posting in that other thread.

 

 

Okay, the first and most important thing to remember is God made man, man made the various religions and written works in his futile attempt to both understand and worship him. There is no command from God to follow any one 'religion' only to have faith.

 

 

The Bible was never intended to be a history book, it was a teaching tool filled with ideas and concepts to teach the populace some general morals to live by in a time where almost everyone was illiterate. The general populace having the ability to actually read a Bible is a very recent situation and there are some very dense populations in the world where most people still cannot read.

 

 

The truth is not in any work of man, but is instead inside each of us to find if we allow ourselves to find it, so the key is to look inward, not outward for our answers in the spiritual world.

 

 

 

 

 

Now, the most basic idea of evolution is that beneficial traits are added to life forms as they are living their life because some element is changing in their existence to force that change.

 

A fish has some driving force to want to walk on land so it develops legs and goes for a walk, but evolution tells us that at best, it will take thousands of years to begin the transformation but by that time, whatever was threatening or pushing the fish out of the water is already done. And while we are at it, who sent out the memo to tell all the lifeforms to stop evolving?

 

Interesting to say the least, now lets look at a little reality:

 

In the animal world anything that looks diffderent is either destroyed or is not given the chance to mate. Even if a new trait for a fish to grow legs were to happen, he would not get to pass on his new trait because the other fish would see his deformities and not give him a chance to pass on his genetic information.

 

 

Then of course there is the pesky DNA science that tells us two very important things that are not theory but are instead hard science.

 

1 - All life comes from other life, life cannot happen out of nothing.

 

2 - All traits in a lifeform come from it's parents so new information cannot be introduced. Many fast talking evolution theory addicts have tried to answer to this but again, everything they offer is theory compared to hard science.

 

 

The first one is really the most important though, multi billion dollar labs have been trying to make life start from nothing for over 30 years. They can now simulate thousands of years in just a week or two and can create thousands of combinations of what was available at the time every day and still, they fail. The best they came up with is Frankenstein cells where they cobbled together parts of already existing cells but they don't survive.

 

 

When billion dollar labs cannot create life on purpose with endless combinations of natural elements cannot create one living cell, how is it these evolution theory guys believe billions were created completely by accident?

 

And accident is my best closing comment.

 

Looking at just the human eye, we see what amounts to something more complex than every invention ever created by man, it is light years away from the most complex video recorder we can buy and that took hundreds of years of human design with practice and error to make it. Then we look at all the other systems of the human body, our reproductive system, out nervous system, everything one massive complex system after another that humans can't even begin to understand enough to create and all working together seamlessly in harmony.........all acidents?

 

Then lets look at every life form in the world each with it's own set of perfectly working systems of survival and reproduction.....all acidents?

 

Combined together we have trillions upon trillions of benificial accidents one after the other each requiring a huge degree of perfection to work and each getting that perfection.....all acidents?

 

 

 

You want to talk about faith........well I believe anyone who thinks the Earth has that much pure luck in it to cause that many purely positive accidents of perfection.......well to me that requires more faith than the average follower of God ever has to hold to his heart.

 

 

 

Me?

 

I say there is not that much luck in the world to produce endless numbers of beneficial accidents one after the other each resulting in a perfect balance for survival. I believe there was something guiding that perfection, now I can't prove my feeling any more than anyone can prove evolution happened but I know what I feel. I feel love for my children but there is no measuring stick that can prove I feel love, just an understanding between humans that have felt love and understand that feeling between each other. Many humans never feel love for another person either, so is their never having found love mean the rest of us are crazy or delusional because they never allowed themselves to feel love?

[RoyalOrleans]

Brainwashed!!!

[RoyalOrleans]

On second thought, you are absolutely one hundred percent correct! You made a believer out of me and I am eternally thankful that you turned my heathen ass around.

 

I see the light!

 

The light is good!

 

State and Country be damned! I am in God's eternal fukken light!

 

Naysayers? Don't fukken fukk with the fukken diety.

 

I say, pray and I say pray real hard for the sinners of the world who question the Creator and his infinite wisdom.

 

Do you have a newsletter? If so, I'd like to subscribe.

[timesjoke]

Brainwashed!!!

 

lol, well I could say the same for you my friend.

 

I offered some sound reasons why evolution is still only a theory and you have nothing but personal attack to offer?

 

 

 

Let me go back to my final point, I love my children, many people agree love does exist, but there is no way to measure love so based on pure science, love does not exist. You not allowing yourself to feel love does not remove the reality of love the rest of us feel.

[RoyalOrleans]

Let me go back to my final point, I love my children, many people agree love does exist, but there is no way to measure love so based on pure science, love does not exist. You not allowing yourself to feel love does not remove the reality of love the rest of us feel.

 

Awww.... a tear,

 

Love exists.

 

So does pain.

 

Take what's coming and give a little back... of both.

[RoyalOrleans]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5muLLPkMM]YouTube - Penn & Teller The Bible Is Bullshit 1/3 (polskie napisy)[/ame]

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTyOl3_OG3Y]YouTube - Creationism Bullshit (2/3)[/ame]

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ySBSVAIYQ]YouTube - Penn & Teller Bullshit Creationism 3/3[/ame]

[timesjoke]

Well I thought you wanted to debate some of the finer points of evolution/creation RO?

 

I offered what I felt to be the weak points of evolution, you could take that as an honest attempt to discuss it or not but the point is based purely on provable fact, evolution is in the same field as religion.

 

 

You can surely try to flam me and make fun of my examples but at the end of the day your just proving you have no reason for your own hatreds, not from any great revelation of knowledge.

 

 

At least those of us who have faith in God are acting from a positive element, your actions are against something, not for something.

 

 

 

Being as you have turned to pure hate videos I will add this:

 

 

Your in great company RO......... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, and Hitler were all atheists, and most supported Evolution study.

[RoyalOrleans]

Well I thought you wanted to debate some of the finer points of evolution/creation RO?

 

Nope. Not at all.

 

I offered what I felt to be the weak points of evolution, you could take that as an honest attempt to discuss it or not but the point is based purely on provable fact, evolution is in the same field as religion.

 

God is infallible... I get it.

 

You can surely try to flam me and make fun of my examples but at the end of the day your just proving you have no reason for your own hatreds, not from any great revelation of knowledge.

 

I find it difficult to hate something that does not exist.

 

At least those of us who have faith in God are acting from a positive element, your actions are against something, not for something.

 

So by your rationale, I should be a little obedient drone?

 

So should you, I might add, may I point out your countless attacks on our beloved President?

[RoyalOrleans]

Your in great company RO......... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, and Hitler were all atheists, and most supported Evolution study.

 

So was Ayn Rand.

[timesjoke]

Nope. Not at all.

 

Then why did you bring it up?

 

 

God is infallible... I get it.

 

Well I never addressed that but a being of that level is something none of us could ever understand, but man, man is very much capable of mistakes and we have made many of those in our attempts to understand God.

 

 

I find it difficult to hate something that does not exist.

 

In your opinion sure, but he exists for me, and is not life all about perceptions of reality?

 

I used the love example to prove my point that the human condition has elements that cannot be defined by science.

 

 

So by your rationale, I should be a little obedient drone?

 

Again, you atheists must insert things never said to be upset about, I never said anything like that. All I said was that your calling me names because I do not believe what you believe.

 

 

Each to his own, that is the great founding principles of America, but even then our founding fathers designed the Constitution based on their religious beliefs, so you own your life and freedoms to religion.....a tad bit of recognition in the form of not being completely disrespectful would be the polite thing to do.

 

So should you, I might add, may I point out your countless attacks on our beloved President?

 

What?

 

That is not fighting against anything RO, that is fighting to defend the concept of freedom and free markets that our founding fathers put into place and Obama is trying to erase.

 

I am definately fighting "for" something positive.

 

 

 

 

 

So was Ayn Rand.

 

She was not too bad, I like some of her possitions but she is more along the lines of first or second year reading lists and you move way beyond her mistakes by the time your in advanced study.

 

What I find as interesting is she was an Atheist but she found success and shelter in America, a place only possible because of religion........as usual it seems the Atheists are like parasites and complaining about how bad their host is the entire time they are sucking away at the hosts blood, lol.

 

But part of America is to allow all forms of thought, and I do not hate their beliefs, just their need to look down their nose at me because they think they are elightened and everyone else is brainwashed or otherwise crazy.

[RoyalOrleans]

Then why did you bring it up?

 

Picking a fight. Now that it is an actual fight, you're going to have to summon God to attest your absurdities.

 

Well I never addressed that but a being of that level is something none of us could ever understand, but man, man is very much capable of mistakes and we have made many of those in our attempts to understand God.

 

And just who or what is God?

 

God is immortal. God is metaphysical. God is omnipotent. Such ideals were created to serve the purpose to explain all things that are not so easily explained. God is used to explain life and death, good and evil, fire and wind, etc.

 

Religion was created out of a fear and superstition. Is it impossible to believe that God was the epicenter of said fears and said superstitions? And all religions and faiths claim that their God is real and your God does not exist.

 

Since God is supernatural, he/she exists outside the bounds and laws of space and time. He/She can possess any of an infinite array of magical powers. Hence, there is no way to prove or disprove his/her reality. One might say: If God exist, anything goes!

 

 

In your opinion sure, but he exists for me, and is not life all about perceptions of reality?

 

If there is a God, he is not he, but a she. Mother Nature?

 

I used the love example to prove my point that the human condition has elements that cannot be defined by science.

 

"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." - 1 John 4:8

 

I don't have to know God to know how to love and to be loved, but love must be taught because care, pity, and sex are often intermingled with its definition.

 

Again, you atheists must insert things never said to be upset about, I never said anything like that. All I said was that your calling me names because I do not believe what you believe.

 

I can't form a hypothesis based on your exact words? Which were...

 

"At least those of us who have faith in God are acting from a positive element, your actions are against something, not for something." - TJ

 

I am not allowed to question the establishment or should I clam up and listen to the tired, old rhetoric?

 

Each to his own, that is the great founding principles of America, but even then our founding fathers designed the Constitution based on their religious beliefs, so you own your life and freedoms to religion.....a tad bit of recognition in the form of not being completely disrespectful would be the polite thing to do.

 

Yes.

 

I don't doubt the Founding Fathers insertion of Christianity into the construction of our nation, but they did not spell out an official religion of the state.

 

Which makes it possible embrace such forms as Satanism, Catholicism, Atheism, etc.

 

What?

 

That is not fighting against anything RO, that is fighting to defend the concept of freedom and free markets that our founding fathers put into place and Obama is trying to erase.

 

I am definately fighting "for" something positive.

 

My example... over your head.

 

I labor to expose Obama as a radical hellbent on destroying the nation through socialist despotism. I am fighting to preserve the only working economic system in the world that actually works when it is allowed to work.

 

Capitalism, socialism, and communism, not unlike evolution, are theories or methodologies.

 

Religion will always be around, because people are so dependent on that infallible mystic in the sky. Socialism and communism will forever be around while the masses cling to government for support.

 

 

She was not too bad, I like some of her possitions but she is more along the lines of first or second year reading lists and you move way beyond her mistakes by the time your in advanced study.

 

Have you been called to preach?

 

What I find as interesting is she was an Atheist but she found success and shelter in America, a place only possible because of raligion........as usual it seems the Atheists are like parasites and complaining about how bad their host is the entire time they are sucking away at the hosts blood, lol.

 

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Seriously.

 

"I am not primarily an advocate of capitalism, but of egoism; and I am not primarily an advocate of egoism, but of reason. If one recognizes the supremacy of reason and applies it consistently, all the rest follows." - Ayn Rand

 

"The concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." - Ayn Rand

 

But part of America is to allow all forms of thought, and I do not hate their beliefs, just their need to look down their nose at me because they thing they are elightened and everyone else is brainwashed or otherwise crazy.

 

Awww.... how sweet.

[Ahhlee]

Oooh! God talk.

 

 

If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

 

- Jack Handey

 

 

I have a theory about "God", but it does not follow any norm and it trancends time, space, reason and suffice to say, we are ALL "God" in infinite form.

 

exhales

 

That being said.....so long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu!

 

Happy debating, gentlemen!

[timesjoke]

Picking a fight. Now that it is an actual fight, you're going to have to summon God to attest your absurdities.

 

Not a right, I am just willing to discuss anything with anyone even if they are a bigot.

 

Just because I believe something you don't, that is not a reason to look down your nose at me or anyone else.

 

 

And just who or what is God?

 

That would be up to each person to define for themself.

 

 

God is immortal. God is metaphysical. God is omnipotent. Such ideals were created to serve the purpose to explain all things that are not so easily explained. God is used to explain life and death, good and evil, fire and wind, etc.

 

Religion was created out of a fear and superstition. Is it impossible to believe that God was the epicenter of said fears and said superstitions? And all religions and faiths claim that their God is real and your God does not exist.

 

Since God is supernatural, he/she exists outside the bounds and laws of space and time. He/She can possess any of an infinite array of magical powers. Hence, there is no way to prove or disprove his/her reality. One might say: If God exist, anything goes!

 

Your trying to hard to impose man's faults on God, that is like trying to say a 3 year old's view of the world is exactly what the parent believes. God cannot be understood because we have no frame of referance and this explains the splintered religions.

 

 

 

If there is a God, he is not he, but a she. Mother Nature?

 

Well obviously the use of 'he' is just a human term, obviously the concept of male or female as we know it would not apply and I use the term 'he' or 'him' as a simplified way of talking about the more complex being.

 

Mother nature is a pagan term.

 

 

"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." - 1 John 4:8

 

I don't have to know God to know how to love and to be loved, but love must be taught because care, pity, and sex are often intermingled with its definition.

 

Your reversing the point, it means that you have to know love to know God, not the other way around. If you know love then your half way there.

 

But again, I ask you to offer me a scientific test to prove you know what love is. If you can't then using your own logic, if you can't prove it, then you can't feel it.

 

 

I can't form a hypothesis based on your exact words? Which were...

 

"At least those of us who have faith in God are acting from a positive element, your actions are against something, not for something." - TJ

 

I am not allowed to question the establishment or should I clam up and listen to the tired, old rhetoric?

 

If it is my own words, then no need to create a hypothesis, again your inserting things I never said and then getting upset over something "YOU" said, I can't control what your falsly inserting.

 

 

All I said was that those following faith are trying to chase life from a positive angle, while you atheists are looking to tear something apart because you do not believe what we believe.

 

You should let me follow my faith without you putting me down or otherwise looking down your nose at me.

 

 

Yes.

 

I don't doubt the Founding Fathers insertion of Christianity into the construction of our nation, but they did not spell out an official religion of the state.

 

Which makes it possible embrace such forms as Satanism, Catholicism, Atheism, etc.

 

Get a copy of ?Washington?s God? if your really curious of the involvement of God in the actions of George Washington, it is a very good read, I would think even an atheist who likes history would find it an eye opening education of just how important God was to the founding of America based on how much God was motivating the leaders to act.

 

 

My example... over your head.

 

Over my head? lol, well there is a novel concept

 

I labor to expose Obama as a radical hellbent on destroying the nation through socialist despotism. I am fighting to preserve the only working economic system in the world that actually works when it is allowed to work.

 

And we share that belief as well as other factors, but the largest keystone that made America possible was not the economy, in fact at the founding there really was not much of an economy to speak of, and certainly not much of a Nation wide economy, the real keystone was our belief in God, in all his forms.

 

Capitalism, socialism, and communism, not unlike evolution, are theories or methodologies.

 

What? Only evolution is pure theory, everything else you named has actual examples we can point to and prove how it works, how it is in actual action and provide a firm foundation of it's reality.

 

Evolution cannot be proven in any way other then the magical fantacy of depressed Atheists desperately looking for their own "religion". They have pushed God away, now they must justify that rejection in their own hearts and deep down inside they know they are wrong, that is why their so nasy to those who do have faith.

 

 

Religion will always be around, because people are so dependent on that infallible mystic in the sky. Socialism and communism will forever be around while the masses cling to government for support.

 

It is the survival of a few religions all based on the same "God" that leads me to believe that to a certain extent, we have found some belief that has survived the test of time. Humans are fickle, they do not tend to stick to any one thing for very long, generations passing usually brings the departure of what the past generation believed in but this is not true with certain faiths, why would these few survive the ages and others dwindle into the distant past never to be seen again?

 

Maybe there is a deeper truth that speaks to our souls? This is what I believe to be true anyway.

 

 

 

Have you been called to preach?

 

The answer to that question requires you to understand the question you asked, I have a feeling you do not.

 

 

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Seriously.

 

"I am not primarily an advocate of capitalism, but of egoism; and I am not primarily an advocate of egoism, but of reason. If one recognizes the supremacy of reason and applies it consistently, all the rest follows." - Ayn Rand

 

"The concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." - Ayn Rand

 

And what part of those quotes means she was not an atheist?

 

I said she was an atheist who found success in a Nation made possible by religion, how is that nonesense? Your again mixing ideas and concepts, maybe your a tad confused?

 

She was Russian, she didn't come to America until she was about 20, 21. She found solace for her life long atheist beliefs in a Nation made possible by religion, I find that very ironic.

 

 

Awww.... how sweet.

 

Yep, I am

[timesjoke]

I have a theory about "God", but it does not follow any norm and it trancends time, space, reason and suffice to say, we are ALL "God" in infinite form.

 

exhales

 

That being said.....so long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu!

 

Happy debating, gentlemen!

 

I have a very different view of God and faith as well.

 

One thing I am different on is what I believe "Heaven" and "Hell" are. Imagine passing away and transforming into a new level of understand, a new ability to no longer be able to deceive yourself? Many evil people deceive themselves into believing what they do is not really that bad.

 

What if suddenly everything you have ever done in your life is laid bare for all to "see" and for you to forever have to face without ever being able to forget it? Could facing our own evil for eternity be a kind of Hell? To be forced to see what we do in raw reality instead of the sugar coated half truths we use to get by in our day to day existences?

 

 

Many people turn to substance abuse in their attempt to drown out what is in our minds bothering us. What happens when you can't get away from your own thoughts? I would think that is a kind of Hell.

[emkay64]

"Okay, the first and most important thing to remember is God made man, man made the various religions and written works in his futile attempt to both understand and worship him. There is no command from God to follow any one 'religion' only to have faith.

 

 

The Bible was never intended to be a history book, it was a teaching tool filled with ideas and concepts to teach the populace some general morals to live by in a time where almost everyone was illiterate. The general populace having the ability to actually read a Bible is a very recent situation and there are some very dense populations in the world where most people still cannot read."

 

IN A PIG'S EYE!!!! Or..................................

 

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heehee

[timesjoke]

If your just being funny okay, that's cool, but if you really have issue with my comment then I would really like to discuss why you feel this is the case.

 

Man has never done a single perfect thing in history, not once, what makes anyone believe that man could write the perfect Bible or design the perfect religion? All of it is still the creation of man, not God.

 

God is found within, not without.

[RoyalOrleans]

One Longsome Argument

 

Problem is, most folks-including many of the more learned among us-don't understand the basic workings of science well enough to appreciate how feeble the arguments against evolution really are. If they did, they would realize that the scientific process is not about gathering data to prove a favored hypothesis but instead involves the testing of ideas against the totality of real-world observations. Creationists turned amateur scientists almost always fail to grasp this essential scientific precept and so unwittingly launch from false premises all kinds of pseudoscientific arguments in support of special creation. In fact, if there?s one reason why creationist critiques are so consistently misguided it?s that adherents generally presuppose that special creation is true and then sift the evidence for clues to support that supposition-a recipe for self-deception that stands in stark contrast to the scientific method, which mandates that fresh hypotheses be derived from all available evidence.

 

One popular approach enlisted by creation ?scientists? is the classic all-or-nothing argument wherein proponents claim that nothing in science can be known with confidence until every last detail is described with absolute certainty. Appealing largely to those unschooled in the scientific method, critics point to such nonissues as gaps in the fossil record, poorly understood aspects of gene function, and the mystery of life?s origins as reasons to view evolutionary theory as speculative or provisional. What they fail to appreciate is that scientific theories are built solely upon evidence that is actually available for study and so cannot be refuted by speculation regarding those clues that remain hidden. As long as a theory remains consistent with observed phenomena and yields valid predictions, it must be considered a viable explanation regardless of what remains to be discovered. Thus, it is entirely irrelevant that gaps in the fossil record exist, but vitally important that those fossils that do exist make sense in the context of evolution. A single hominid fossil found among the trilobites of the Burgess Shale, for instance, would immediately throw Darwin?s theory into doubt. Likewise, the fact that certain aspects of molecular genetics remain to be fully described in no way negates the fact that the substantial amount that is known about gene function is entirely consistent with evolution as we understand it today.

 

The article is long and boring and I don't expect you to read it, because since it is about evolution vs. creationism you already have a predetermined prejudice based on fanastical absurdities.

[RoyalOrleans]

Many people turn to substance abuse in their attempt to drown out what is in our minds bothering us. What happens when you can't get away from your own thoughts? I would think that is a kind of Hell.

 

What I see in your mind, I can not find in mine. Perhaps drinking will help me understand?

[Ahhlee]

Many people turn to substance abuse in their attempt to drown out what is in our minds bothering us. What happens when you can't get away from your own thoughts? I would think that is a kind of Hell.

 

I do agree with that. I think many people do impose Hell upon themselves rather than having it served to them by their favorite Deity.

[timesjoke]

The article is long and boring and I don't expect you to read it, because since it is about evolution vs. creationism you already have a predetermined prejudice based on fanastical absurdities.

 

 

So what is new RO?

 

I can find the exact same arguement made to push away opponents of Obama care and global warming. It is the tool of the sham artist to claim that anyone who does not agree with them is incapable of understanding what they understand.........so you have more in common with Al Gore and Obama than you might think being as you share their elitist opinion that anyone who does not agree with you is just stupid or brainwashed, lol.

 

 

 

 

I do agree with that. I think many people do impose Hell upon themselves rather than having it served to them by their favorite Deity.

 

I can easily be wrong, any human's attempt to understand these thing is pure guesswork but I have for years felt that God is not exactly what man has been trying to make of him. The problem I see is trying to pin specifics down, what is a day to a being that is timeless? What is eternity to a existence outside of time? When I say I am haing a rough day, would those words from me have the same exact same meaning as anyone else who says those words or will their idea of a rough day be different from my own?

 

 

If we can have a different opinion from human to human, is it possible that the same kind of mistakes can be made from "God" to human? Consider that at the time of the original writings, the educational level of the writers were much less sophicated than we are now but even today in our "modern" existence we are as nothing to a being that would be capable of what we feel God "IS".

 

 

So where can we find the truth?

 

Well just like our minds can fool us, it also has the ability to consider very wide ranges of possibilities and even different layers of reality. There is no reason for the massive creative element in man based on evolution. I believe our creativity is another sign of God because we must have the ability to see past black and white, past the physical to have faith in the existence of God.

 

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[emkay64]

It's a shame there aren't more Centaurs, Lindworms, Harpies, Gryphons, and Bunyips around. I sure miss them.

 

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Believe what you will...if it makes you a better person, or gives you an answer to the unexplained, or gives you comfort in loss, so be it. It's good in my books. I'm not saying I'll never believe, but evolution is far more tangible than a sky fairy with a magic wand to me.

 

If the skies were to re-align saying "I am here"...I would be forced to accept, but so far I can't accept it.

[RoyalOrleans]

So what is new RO?

 

I can find the exact same arguement made to push away opponents of Obama care and global warming. It is the tool of the sham artist to claim that anyone who does not agree with them is incapable of understanding what they understand.........so you have more in common with Al Gore and Obama than you might think being as you share their elitist opinion that anyone who does not agree with you is just stupid or brainwashed, lol.

 

 

What is new, you ask? My sneakers.

 

Alright, now you resort to insulting me? I thought you were above all that, TJ. You dissappoint me.

 

Have you not read any of my previous posts concerning Obamacare and Al Gore's fantastical global warming/climate change deal?

 

You make it sound like I should be lumped into a category of elitists, because my opinion differs from yours.

[timesjoke]

 

Believe what you will...if it makes you a better person, or gives you an answer to the unexplained, or gives you comfort in loss, so be it. It's good in my books. I'm not saying I'll never believe, but evolution is far more tangible than a sky fairy with a magic wand to me.

 

If the skies were to re-align saying "I am here"...I would be forced to accept, but so far I can't accept it.

 

You start out great but then turn to being insulting with the sky fairy comment.

 

Why must your not believing what I believe mean you feel justified to look down your nose at me and my fellow humans who do have faith?

 

 

I'll ask you the same thing I asked RO.

 

Do you believe love exists?

 

If so, please prove in a scientific way that love exists. Show us the tool used to measure love..............if you can't prove it exists using acceptable scientific procedures....then based on your own comments of God, then Love cannot exist either.

 

 

All the greatest things in life are simple and can be reduced to single word descriptions: freedom, loyalty, justice, duty, mercy, hope, faith, love, honor.

 

All of these great things I mention are feelings, they exist in our hearts and minds, they are not tangable things set on a table or created from a factory. They are conditions of our humanity, and they add more to our life than anything of substance that can be touched.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is new, you ask? My sneakers.

 

Alright, now you resort to insulting me? I thought you were above all that, TJ. You dissappoint me.

 

Have you not read any of my previous posts concerning Obamacare and Al Gore's fantastical global warming/climate change deal?

 

You make it sound like I should be lumped into a category of elitists, because my opinion differs from yours.

 

Insult you?

 

I am speaking the truth RO. The article you just offered as your own views is exactly the same thing as the Obamacare and global warming supporters who claim that anyone who does not agree with them is simply not educated enough to see the truth.

Problem is, most folks-including many of the more learned among us-don't understand the basic workings of science well enough to appreciate how feeble the arguments against evolution (global warming) really are.

 

Notice how easily "global warming" can be inserted in that statement?

 

Al Gore and every global warming supporter says the exact same thing RO. Your using their tactics of avoiding debate by claiming that those you are talking with simply do not possess the mental faculties to understand what you understand.

 

 

So yes, I now place you in the same league as Obama and Al Gore until you get off your high horse and move away from your claims that those who do not agree with you are stupid, that is what "they" do to feel superior to everyone else.

[emkay64]

"You start out great but then turn to being insulting with the sky fairy comment.

 

Why must your not believing what I believe mean you feel justified to look down your nose at me and my fellow humans who do have faith?"

 

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Come now TJ. You likening all atheists to Hitler and PolPot etc...you do your fair share of insulting when people do not accept your belief system. Besides...who is to say God doesn't have wings, a magic wand, or whatever...he very well may have...since you have never seen him/her/it. It's all speculation really. God could be animal, vegetable, or mineral....it's really irrelevant any which way you cut it.

 

If I were to believe in a holy turnip, you could not dispute my beliefs or shun me because there is zero evidence to support any of it existing in the first place. If my holy turnip made me a better person...then whose to say?

[Ahhlee]

"You start out great but then turn to being insulting with the sky fairy comment.

 

Why must your not believing what I believe mean you feel justified to look down your nose at me and my fellow humans who do have faith?"

 

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Come now TJ. You likening all atheists to Hitler and PolPot etc...you do your fair share of insulting when people do not accept your belief system. Besides...who is to say God doesn't have wings, a magic wand, or whatever...he very well may have...since you have never seen him/her/it. It's all speculation really. God could be animal, vegetable, or mineral....it's really irrelevant any which way you cut it.

 

If I were to believe in a holy turnip, you could not dispute my beliefs or shun me because there is zero evidence to support any of it existing in the first place. If my holy turnip made me a better person...then whose to say?

 

Exactly! No one makes fun of eddo for worshipping his Spaghetti god.

 

...to his face.