For the ladies....girl talk!

[Ahhlee]

Listen up, my lovelies:

 

Today I went shopping and had a glorious time. I found lots of great deals, used some coupons and found some clothes that fit including a new Columbia jacket for 40% off!!! I also purchased "Even Cow Girls Get the Blues" which emkay recommended so I'll start reading that tomorrow on my trip.

 

Anyway, as I was walking through the mall with my purchases, I encountered a woman and her three children sitting in the food court. The kids were yelling, screaming and running around like hooligans while the woman sat there eating an ice cream cone. As if the spectacle of her misbehaved offspring weren't enough to draw people's attention, she was also wearing a white t-shirt paired with zebra print zubas! I'm not sure if she had even bothered combing her hair this morning and she had it put partially up with a bright yellow scrunchie. Her white t-shirt was too tight and stained. Above her right breast was what looked to be a mustard splotch and above the left breast....pickle juice, perhaps? Those were the two stains that stood out the most, anyway. And her choice of footwear to round out this stunning ensemble? Blue house slippers.

 

Ladies - if I ever catch or hear of ANY of you looking like this in public, the rest of us are going to show up on your doorstep for an intervention. In fact, I want each of you to promise me that you will follow through on this! We have a duty (heh heh...I said "duty") to one another to help our fellow sisters in such times of dire fashion need. I mean it!!!!

 

On the plus side, I did notice that men smile at you a lot more when you are carrying a bag from Victoria's Secret! LOL!

[hugo]

That sounds like the gal who complained about me eating a hotdog and making out with her at the same time.

[Old Salt]

Oooooooooooooo. I just love gossip.

 

I didn't know mustard and pickle juice came out of them.

[Ahhlee]

That sounds like the gal who complained about me eating a hotdog and making out with her at the same time.

 

Leave it to hugo to combine his pleasures with such class.

[emkay64]

Awwww....poor lady. The children made her crazy. It happens at times shakes head with sympathy .

[Ahhlee]

Awwww....poor lady. The children made her crazy. It happens at times shakes head with sympathy .

 

I was struck with pity for sure, but also with disgust. I couldn't help it!

 

Maybe she doesn't have friends or family to tell her that going out in public looking like that isn't a good thing. If that's the case, that's very sad.

 

And I've spilled on myself before. It happens! But that's why God created Tide to go pens...lol.

[mercury]

come on... give her a break. She chose the yellow scruncy to match the mustard stain!

 

You'll never find me wearing a too tight, anything. I prefer the bag lady look.

[atlantic]

LOL - you remind me so much of my sister. When my son was alot younger under 1 yrs old I think, I met up with my sister one Sunday; and I'll never forget her comments that day.

 

It was my only day off, I had worked about 65 hrs that week at work, and spent all Sat night doing laundry and have to get up early to feed my son. So I was wearing farmer jean shorts, tank top and sneakers, hair up in scrunchie. The whole time we were talkling she kept stopping and asking me what is that stain, my reply "squash"; "what is that stain - banannas". Lol, I am very clean and organized, but having kids and working doesn't leave alot of time for makeup. In fact I hardly ever wear makeup anymore.

 

Not to mention the day I walked around with a barrel of monkey's monkey in my hair that my son placed there and I hadn't even noticed

[mercury]

LMAO @ atlantic. I soooo know that feeling.

 

I think I just saw this lady's long lost sister - purple camoflage pj pant, a faded navy blue Lynrd Skynrd t-shirt, and a funky brown knitted hat with a cap brim, c cked jauntily to the side... and slippers. She also had a look on her face that suggested "Do they sell meth at Kroger?"

 

We moved from Farmington Hills when everytime we went out, we saw someone crossing Grand River wearing slippers. Chris says it's time for him to get out of Belleville now, too. The public slipper wearers have arrived.

[timesjoke]

If this is not a great example of my point that women drive fashion and 'beauty' on each other and men have little to do with it nothing does.

 

A man would have looked at her chest or her behind and not even cared about the stains on her shirt, lol. The kids may have caused a "too much baggage" alarm or even a more complex thought of being a good booty call possibility, depending on the guy's point of view.

 

 

A more selective man may have avoided her because of her dress but he would no be prompted to go tell her or anyone else they need to spruce up for the sake of all women.

 

 

Why are you women so hard on each other? Men will like you even in a burlap sack.....some will like you better in a burlap sack, lol.

[mercury]

I have a difficult time respecting a person of either gender that obviously takes no pride in their appearance.

 

Also- I call bull that a guy wouldn't give a rip. As I mentioned above... it was my HUSBAND that decided it was time to get out of town when the public slipper wearers arrive. Did he confront her and tell her to put on some shoes? NO. But he talked about how inappropriate her attire was.

[timesjoke]

I have a difficult time respecting a person of either gender that obviously takes no pride in their appearance.

 

Also- I call bull that a guy wouldn't give a rip. As I mentioned above... it was my HUSBAND that decided it was time to get out of town when the public slipper wearers arrive. Did he confront her and tell her to put on some shoes? NO. But he talked about how inappropriate her attire was.

 

But your missing the point.....how does the lady know what the guy thought?

 

 

The guy is not going to say anything. It is fellow women who give each other fits for how they look. I love watching a very sluttly looking lady walking around some women who are dressed conservative. The conservative ladies are tossing daggers with their eyes and the slutty lady is eating it up, lol.

 

 

Why can't the lady wear whatever she wantsa without other women talking her down? In this case the lady is bummy looking, fine, but was her style (or no style) of dress really so bad several women have to talk bad about her? Your a woman, not me, so only you guys can decide but obviously men are not the ones applying pressure on women to look certain ways, that comes from fellow women.

[mercury]

I don't think any single one of us would walk up to a stranger and tell them they should seek a fashion consultant, but we are allowed to have opinions on how a woman, or anyone else, presents themselves.

 

Did you realize that they've had to write "No pajamas or slippers worn to school" into school dress codes? Whatever happened to putting your "best" you out there? And what the hell is worng with that?

 

It's just a little thing called pride. I may not have an overflowing closet, but I have enough respect for myself, and the people forced to look at me, for my clothing to at least be clean when I'm in public.

[timesjoke]

I don't think any single one of us would walk up to a stranger and tell them they should seek a fashion consultant, but we are allowed to have opinions on how a woman, or anyone else, presents themselves.

 

Did you realize that they've had to write "No pajamas or slippers worn to school" into school dress codes? Whatever happened to putting your "best" you out there? And what the hell is worng with that?

 

It's just a little thing called pride. I may not have an overflowing closet, but I have enough respect for myself, and the people forced to look at me, for my clothing to at least be clean when I'm in public.

 

Again, your missing the point that it is not men who are pushing this agenda of dressing or looking a certain way, it is women who do it to themselves.

 

 

Let's take this example, no maybe you would not tell that girl anything, but you speak about her among yourselves and that reasserts the notion of always having to look a certain way between you. You are teaching each other to wear certain clothes and use certain beauty aids to gain acceptance with each other, not with men.

[eddo]

I am all for someone showing them selves respect by looking good, but I don't always understand it.

 

Slightly off topic:

A friend of mine has 4 kids and for a while was a stay at home mom (her kids were between 5 years old and 6 months at the time) and she made it a point to put her makeup on every day - for her husband. That is what her husband expected of her.

 

I don't understand makeup for everyday use. Never have. Probably never will.

If it makes you feel better about yourself, then have at it, but I don't think it is something that a woman should HAVE to do because of how others will look at her.

[emkay64]

If there's a written law amongst females that requires me to wear make-up...I've failed miserably.

[mercury]

Same here, em. But when I do apply it, it's for me... so I can look and feel my best. I don't feel my best when all my splotches are on display for public amusement.

 

How would you feel if Tami stopped caring how she looked, and showed up wearing sweatpant and a stained t-shirt for a night out? From what you've said, she's seems to be a pretty classy lady and cares about her appearance a great deal. Does she care because SHE cares about herself, has respect for herself and takes pride in her appearance? Or because she's afraid of what some stranger might project on to her?

[emkay64]

Yeah I hear you there. I like a little something to tone down my red cheeks. They flame when I'm embarrassed, when I'm angry....it's such a tell...I hate that. oooooo and I have a plumping lip gloss which does diddly, but tingles for two hours...I love it! I don't think it does much in the looks dept. though.

[timesjoke]

Same here, em. But when I do apply it, it's for me... so I can look and feel my best. I don't feel my best when all my splotches are on display for public amusement.

 

How would you feel if Tami stopped caring how she looked, and showed up wearing sweatpant and a stained t-shirt for a night out? From what you've said, she's seems to be a pretty classy lady and cares about her appearance a great deal. Does she care because SHE cares about herself, has respect for herself and takes pride in her appearance? Or because she's afraid of what some stranger might project on to her?

 

I do believe women do it for themselves to feel better, but that is because they are already conditioned by their own circles that makeup and clothes are the way to accomplish that goal.

 

The vast majority do not apply it as much or at all if they are staying at home, but instead do it when they are going out so it is what they do to face the world, not themselves.

 

 

 

Tami does not really wear much makeup unless we are going out to a very special event or maybe a special celebration. She spends more money on hair products than she will ever spend on makeup.

 

 

But, if she suddenly lost all interest in her appearance that is completely out of character, I would be concerned that something was wrong with her.

[Ahhlee]

But your missing the point.....how does the lady know what the guy thought?

 

 

The guy is not going to say anything. It is fellow women who give each other fits for how they look. I love watching a very sluttly looking lady walking around some women who are dressed conservative. The conservative ladies are tossing daggers with their eyes and the slutty lady is eating it up, lol.

 

 

Why can't the lady wear whatever she wantsa without other women talking her down? In this case the lady is bummy looking, fine, but was her style (or no style) of dress really so bad several women have to talk bad about her? Your a woman, not me, so only you guys can decide but obviously men are not the ones applying pressure on women to look certain ways, that comes from fellow women.

 

"A very sluttly(sp) looking lady"......YOU just talked her down, you fuktard.

 

TJ, do you ever wake up in the morning, yawn, scratch your balls and think "You know, today might be a great day to keep my big ol' yap hole shut so as not to make myself look like a bigger ass than I already project myself to be."???

 

I'm guessing not.

[Ahhlee]

By the way, this weekend I traveled with both men and women.

 

Two of the men made comments about how a couple of women we encountered were dressed.

 

One woman was wearing a too tight shirt that made her breasts and belly hang out and one of the guys said, "God, I like tits and all but that's pretty uncool to look like that at a family event".

 

Another woman was wearing some weird, sparkly get-up and one of the guys said, "Does that chick think she's a Vegas show girl or something?".

 

So don't...DON'T tell me that men don't discuss what women are wearing with other people. PEOPLE discuss what other PEOPLE are wearing in public, inappropriately, with one another all the fukking time.

[timesjoke]

"A very sluttly(sp) looking lady"......YOU just talked her down, you fuktard.

 

TJ, do you ever wake up in the morning, yawn, scratch your balls and think "You know, today might be a great day to keep my big ol' yap hole shut so as not to make myself look like a bigger ass than I already project myself to be."???

 

I'm guessing not.

 

lol, keep trying Ali, your still missing the mark darling.

 

My point was how you women pressure each other to dress a certain way, look a certain way, not men.

 

 

I agree, based on standards set by "YOU WOMEN" some ladies look prim and proper, while other women have the slutty appearance. I use the definitions you women have defined, not me.

 

 

You decided this girl looked bad enough to come on a forum and talk all about her bad looks and how you were ready to do an intervention for your fellow forum ladies to prevent them from looking like that. Your pushing this on your fellow women, not me. You have never seen me come on here and call out a fashion warning and offer interventions for anyone, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way, the guys were saying that for your benefit, it is always good policy to boost up the ego of the ladies your with when they are cutting their eyes (as I know you were doing without a shread of doubt) at some ladies. They propped your ego, and here you are speaking highly about it so clearly it worked perfectly to plan, lol. The saying "if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy" is true about any women in the group that are not happy. So it is simply self serving to keep the women a man is surrounded with as happy as possible.

[Ahhlee]

lol, keep trying Ali, your still missing the mark darling.

 

Don't call me that.

 

 

My point was how you women pressure each other to dress a certain way, look a certain way, not men.

 

You think strippers dress for other women? Or women out at a night club looking for men? Hmmmm?

 

And maybe I should stop buying lingerie and matching bra and panties sets since I haven't had a single woman appreciate them yet.

 

 

 

I agree, based on standards set by "YOU WOMEN" some ladies look prim and proper, while other women have the slutty appearance. I use the definitions you women have defined, not me.

 

Oh absolutely! No man in the history of everty-ever has ever referred to a woman as a slut based on her appearance! </sarcasm>

 

Women who look classy are dressing for themselves and society in general to be taken seriously as a human being. Women who choose to dress super trampy are doing so to be ogled by men because that is the look that some men like. TJ, are you really this stupid? Surely you can figure out such an elementary concept without everyone having to point it out to you.

 

 

 

You decided this girl looked bad enough to come on a forum and talk all about her bad looks

 

Yeah...I did. So?

 

 

and how you were ready to do an intervention for your fellow forum ladies to prevent them from looking like that.

 

I like all the ladies here and would be concerned if they neglected their appearance so severely. They're my friends and friends should always help out one another.

 

If I'd seen a man with 3 kids and stains all over, his hair a greasy mess and wearing a similar enemble with house slippers, I probably would have made that a discussion point to warn the fellas, but that's not what I saw that day...I saw a woman.

 

Hell, I'm having a fashion intervention with RO concerning his glasses and flip flops next week and he doesn't have a vagina.

 

 

Your pushing this on your fellow women, not me.

 

You spoke over at the Jungle about Tami wearing a dress and dressing like a lady who likes to wear matching bags and shoes when we were having a fashion discussion once. Whose benefit was that for? For a man, you seem to have a LOT of opinions about how women choose to dress/look/live/think/behave.

 

 

You have never seen me come on here and call out a fashion warning and offer interventions for anyone, lol.

 

I'm surprised you don't. You seem to think you know more about every subject under the sun than anyone else on this forum, even when you don't. Why would a fashion warning be any different for you?

 

 

 

By the way, the guys were saying that for your benefit, it is always good policy to boost up the ego of the ladies your with when they are cutting their eyes (as I know you were doing without a shread of doubt) at some ladies. They propped your ego, and here you are speaking highly about it so clearly it worked perfectly to plan, lol. The saying "if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy" is true about any women in the group that are not happy. So it is simply self serving to keep the women a man is surrounded with as happy as possible.

 

You're such an egotistical jackass. You act as if YOU were there watching the events transpire and I wasn't.

 

I didn't even see either women until they were pointed out to me. I had my back to them before my friends told us to look in their direction. So no, TJ, I was NOT cutting them with my eyes. You are WRONG. How do you like that....being wrong? Does it make you feel like a lesser man? Does your penis shrivel up a bit when you realize you made an error in judgement? When it's pointed out and clearly confirmed that you don't know everything, do you drive out somewhere and cry your ghey salty man tears in private so that no one sees your shame?

 

Just wonderin'.

[Ahhlee]

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Only a woman would be nasty and vile enough to believe and express that this dress is inappropriate for public, right? A man would NEVER think or say such things!

[timesjoke]

Don't call me that.

 

Compared to the vile things you have called me Ali, I really do not see where you can complain about how I address you. Sweetie, lol.

 

 

You think strippers dress for other women? Or women out at a night club looking for men? Hmmmm?

 

Well as usual your arguement is for the 1% of women who work at a strip club instead of the 99% who do not. I guess that is you admitting I am right and it is women, not men who drive the fashion industry.

 

And maybe I should stop buying lingerie and matching bra and panties sets since I haven't had a single woman appreciate them yet.

 

That would certainly help a lot of men keep down their lunch, lol...

 

Yes that was a shot, I'm sorry actually but if your not going to discuss things in reality then I may as well get just as stupid sometimes to try and rattle your cage.

 

Your selecting lingerie has nothing to do with a discussion of how you feel women should be pressured to look certain ways in public. Your trying to change the subject and I will not let you get away with it.

 

 

Oh absolutely! No man in the history of everty-ever has ever referred to a woman as a slut based on her appearance! </sarcasm>

 

Again, your trying to change the subject, while men will say things like that, they will not take it to the next step to broadcast it all over the internet and who knows where else.

 

 

Women who look classy are dressing for themselves and society in general to be taken seriously as a human being. Women who choose to dress super trampy are doing so to be ogled by men because that is the look that some men like. TJ, are you really this stupid? Surely you can figure out such an elementary concept without everyone having to point it out to you.

 

Again nice try but where do they get these fashion ideas?

 

Women's magazines and from each other most of the time.

 

Yeah...I did. So?

 

So? That is my point. You, what even I will call a relatively easy going woman when it comes to the "fashion police" mentality found yourself driven to add to the pressures women already feel to look a certain way to be accepted by fellow women.

 

You, and most women are the driving force behind this fashion/appearance monster, not men.

 

 

I like all the ladies here and would be concerned if they neglected their appearance so severely. They're my friends and friends should always help out one another.

 

If I'd seen a man with 3 kids and stains all over, his hair a greasy mess and wearing a similar enemble with house slippers, I probably would have made that a discussion point to warn the fellas, but that's not what I saw that day...I saw a woman.

 

Hell, I'm having a fashion intervention with RO concerning his glasses and flip flops next week and he doesn't have a vagina.

 

Ya well RO acts very girlish and keeps talking gay to me so I wonder about him sometimes, lol.

 

I am sure each of these ladies have friends who they actually see and who can help them if they really need it, this was more about you ranting over the appearance of a woman you saw than trying to actually help anyone that is why I said your part of the problem where women are pressuring each other to conform to "your" set ideas of how women in general should appear in public.

 

 

 

You spoke over at the Jungle about Tami wearing a dress and dressing like a lady who likes to wear matching bags and shoes when we were having a fashion discussion once. Whose benefit was that for? For a man, you seem to have a LOT of opinions about how women choose to dress/look/live/think/behave.

 

I could care less what name is on the bag/shoe combinations, louie batton or something??????

 

Her choices certainly have nothing to do with my knowing what any of those names mean. I see the general appearance of being female, clean, neat, I love ladies who do their own toes, somehow paying someone else to do them (all the time) says lazy or fat azz to me. I obviously do have my views on how women look on a general level.......but again your trying to change the subject.

 

I don't run around telling women how to dress, I may make a comment to fellow men and even avoid or hang out with women who look certain ways but I have never tried to manipulate a general control over all the woman around me the way you just did with this jumping on a woman you know nothing about just because she did not meet "your" version of proper attention to her appearance before daring to go outside.

 

 

I'm surprised you don't. You seem to think you know more about every subject under the sun than anyone else on this forum, even when you don't. Why would a fashion warning be any different for you?

 

Well unlike some I do take the time to be informed about many things I find as interesting. One thing the more observant might notice is I pick my battles to be about my strengths and what I am very concerned with, I rarely post in threads I have no interest in.

 

I really do not watch television, sports and then mostly college football is one of my few exceptions. Nature shows, animal planet and the discovery channel are on when my kids are around but I spend a lot of time reading instead. I know a lot about many subjects because I am not wasting my brain on shows like jackazz or who wants to marry a millionare.

 

 

 

You're such an egotistical jackass. You act as if YOU were there watching the events transpire and I wasn't.

 

I didn't even see either women until they were pointed out to me. I had my back to them before my friends told us to look in their direction. So no, TJ, I was NOT cutting them with my eyes. You are WRONG. How do you like that....being wrong? Does it make you feel like a lesser man? Does your penis shrivel up a bit when you realize you made an error in judgement? When it's pointed out and clearly confirmed that you don't know everything, do you drive out somewhere and cry your ghey salty man tears in private so that no one sees your shame?

 

Just wonderin'.

 

Put simply, I do not believe for a second you would tell the truth on this. You always seem way more motivated to try and put me down than tell the truth, so honesty is not really that high on your priority list.

 

You and your fellow mob seem to spend a lot of time trying to say I am dishonest and I have discovered in my almost 44 years that those who turn to those kinds of accusations so readily are themselves dishonest and projecting their own failings on others.

 

 

You spotted this woman with the mustard on her shirt out of a crowd and it made such an impression on your life you had to run to your internet world and spread the word of such a horrible example of womanhood to all your internet "sisters" but you want me to believe you completely missed some ladies dressed like this?

 

 

Even if it is true, the guys can still be motivated to feed the ego of the ladies their hanging out with, and they certainly did not find it reasonable to "spread the word" of this female fashion outrage all over the internet so we still come to my original point.........

 

Women provide most of the pressure on their fellow women on the fashion department, not men.