For the ladies....girl talk!

[snafu]

You both are full of !

 

FACT! Women dress to compete and appeal to other women. Why do they go shopping together to try on and express how they feel about the dress? Why do they call some female a slut or bitch under their breath because of the way they are dressed? or slur their choice of decor? Maybe they feel they're better at attracting the opposite sex?

 

FACT! men have their own idea's of what is good looking or in appropriate according to how their hormones are flaring. They like the way whores dress but wouldn't want their spouse to dress like that. Yeah we're pigs!

 

FACT! everybody is different and what I find offensive might be totally fine with someone else. I'm at fault and will be the first to admit that I would say something about how someone is dressed under my breath or to a friend.

 

You two are tiring to put a stigma on an entire gender. Lighten the up!

Ali quit antagonizing TJ. It does no good and belittle him. You can't win.

 

TJ grow up and learn to be wrong once in a while. Put it in your head that everybody does not have the same values as you. You antagonize people by the simple fact that you always want the last word. You don't have to say I'm sorry or your right or anything. Just let it go.

 

I've been trying to do that with both of you as I'm sure the rest of us are. Even the people that like Ali would not trash her knowing she's wrong.

 

I sit back and try to keep my mouth shut because I get along with everybody on this board but it gets annoying.

 

Out of the blue I saw Emkay and TJ getting along. Blew me away!! I thought way to cool. then it goes to hell again. I know this board is gotten to the point that we are trying to bring on new topics and such but hell this bickering is really getting old.

[timesjoke]

You both are full of !

 

Actually you just said what I have been saying all along, men do make opinions on women by the way they look, I completely agree, but we do not drive the fashion show or pressure women the way fellow women do, that was my main point from the beginning.

 

Ali just does not want to admit she is part of the problem, part of the process that keeps women working extra hard just to fit in with their fellow women.

 

I like you big time snaf, but everyone can't be the same in the world, I am not the type to sit back and be silent just to get along.

 

 

 

Out of the blue I saw Emkay and TJ getting along. Blew me away!! I thought way to cool. then it goes to hell again. I know this board is gotten to the point that we are trying to bring on new topics and such but hell this bickering is really getting old.

 

I don't find it as that strange myself. I like pretty much everyone even though some people try to go out of their way to be excessive to me out of their need to be supportive of the coven over anyone else.

 

I will not join the 'sewing circle' though, that is not my way. If I can be accepted for who I am, great, but I will not be someone I am not just to purchase some peace with false currency.

[snafu]

Actually you just said what I have been saying all along, men do make opinions on women by the way they look, I completely agree, but we do not drive the fashion show or pressure women the way fellow women do, that was my main point from the beginning.

 

Ali just does not want to admit she is part of the problem, part of the process that keeps women working extra hard just to fit in with their fellow women.

 

Well then Ali is wrong. Women (in my eyes) probably influence other women far more than men do but that's only my opinion she has hers.

 

I like you big time snaf, but everyone can't be the same in the world, I am not the type to sit back and be silent just to get along.

Well you should. You should learn to be considerate. Your not silent once you've stated your point. You can't change peoples minds especally when you try to ram it down someones throat.

 

I don't find it as that strange myself. I like pretty much everyone even though some people try to go out of their way to be excessive to me out of their need to be supportive of the coven over anyone else.

You don't find it strange that you and Emkay have bickered on two boards for I don't know how long, you both find a common ground in the chat room and then she throws her hands up in the air again in another thread? Not only that but she doesn't want to come around anymore?

 

I will not join the 'sewing circle' though, that is not my way. If I can be accepted for who I am, great, but I will not be someone I am not just to purchase some peace with false currency.

 

This is your downfall. Why can't you sit back and be silent when you know damn well others don't agree with you? Nobody says to just shut up. Give you opinion and the LET IT GO! You can't change there mind and it wares on peoples nerves. WE GET IT!

 

hugo is a prime example. He's a very very smart man but I find him ignorant to some facts. We don't go around and around on . He says something stupid, I call him on it and that's that. Okay sometimes it might be the other way around but you get my point.

[timesjoke]

Well then Ali is wrong. Women (in my eyes) probably influence other women far more than men do but that's only my opinon she has her's.

 

An opinion backed by a lot of women's magazines, daytime shows and soaps, the billions and billions of dollars in makeup and fashion companies all run and managed by mostly women serving women.

 

And this thread where one woman who was not looking the way she felt was right prompted a "fashion alert" and warning for all her fellow women.

 

 

I am not trying to put Ali or any other woman down for this, I am just trying to make a point that was avoided in prior discussions where some doubt has been expressed where some of this "pressure" on women comes from.

 

Well you should. You should learn to be considerate. Your not silent once you've stated your point. You can't change peoples minds especally when you try to ram it down someones throat.

 

Well I do not agree with this. Based on what you just said every debate should be limited to one post and everyone just walk away happy that you had your say.

 

I guess if your not interested in debating at all and your only consideration is keeping the peace then that would make sense, but if your not interested in if your point is properly considered or ignored completely then why bother to discuss anything at all?

 

I keep saying that the world would be a very boring place if we all agreed on everything, and I just figured out that the next most boring would be a world where everyone is more scared of how people react to how we truly feel than anything else.

 

If I am guilty of trying to force anything it would not be to try and control how people think but maybe I do try too hard to make people acknowledge certain details as valid even if they do not personally share the same opinion of how to define the details. That might be one of my failings in this area. So many people just ignore the details that do not match up to what they want to be true and that can possibly be where I go overboard sometimes.

 

 

 

You don't find it strange that you and Emkay have bickered on two boards for I don't know how long, you both find a common ground in the chat room and then she throws her hands up in the air again in another thread? Not only that but she doesn't want to come around anymore?

 

I can't really speak on what does or does not motivate emkay. She has sometimes joined the coven and sometimes been outside of it and I like her a lot. I guess my point from me is I do not believe she, Ali, or anyone else is "all" bad just because we have dissagreements but somehow that is the way I am viewed and I can't really control anyone but myself.

 

I feel sad that she does not want to come here because I value her comments even though it may sometimes seem otherwise. I do not have to agree with what someone says to value what they offer, I think many here equate dissent from me to mean I hate them or something. It is like I have to be a "yes man" to be completely accepted or something.

 

This is your downfall. Why can't you sit back and be silent when you know damn well others don't agree with you? Nobody says to just shut up. Give you opinon and the LET IT GO! You can't change there mind and it wares on peoples nerves. WE GET IT!

 

Well it is not like I am the only one who picks at a point, and I usually do it when someone is trying desperately to avoid that point. And no, two wrongs do not make a right, I am not trying to say that.

 

If we all kept silent just because people would dissagree with us, when would we ever see any needed changes? It is always easier to just agree and shut up, but my life is not about taking the least restrictive path in life.

 

Being silent just because someone else can be louder or is more willing to be nasty is not really a good way to live your life in my opinion. If that means I fail from not wanting to be bullied into submission.......well I can easily accept that kind of failure as not really a failure.

 

 

hugo is a prime example. He's a very very smart man but I find him ignorant to some facts. We don't go around and around on . He says something stupid, I call him on it and that's that. Okay somethimes it might be the other way around but you get my point.

 

Well your a very likeable guy, nobody could ever be offended by you because your so laid back and easy going, you do not cause waves and I respect you for that ability.

 

 

But at the same time you don't get called the nasty names I get called, I believe I was called a liar this past week about 14 times and by three different people, I do not believe I deserve that kind of treatment and I can easily take it to that level but you see......that is what they want. They can never do wrong because it is done against me, but if I were to do the same back, I would not be allowed to stay, so I do the only thing I can do, stick to my guns and refuse to be shouted down with ugly attacks.

 

 

 

 

I don't like this mess either, I don't really know of any other way for people like Ali and eddo to accept me unless I kiss their azz and give up when they turn nasty to avoid discussing a topic.

 

 

Maybe your right, maybe I should just let them get away with ignoring points and making arguements from the 1% possitions but I just have this belief that our communities got as bad as they are by each of us being silent when we should be speaking out. By selling out our principles to avoid confrontation. By letting the negative people get their way just because they are willing to do what it takes to get their way and the good people are not willing to stand up to them.

 

 

I will tell you this, I will give it more thought, maybe debating without taking everything personal is just not possible anymore.

[Ahhlee]

That would certainly help a lot of men keep down their lunch, lol...

 

Fuk you and you can take your little "winky smiley" and shove it up your ass.

 

 

Ya well RO acts very girlish and keeps talking gay to me so I wonder about him sometimes, lol.

 

Your man crush on RO is creepy. Does your white male Christian god know you fantasize about him?

 

 

I don't run around telling women how to dress, I may make a comment to fellow men and even avoid or hang out with women who look certain ways but I have never tried to manipulate a general control over all the woman around me the way you just did with this jumping on a woman you know nothing about just because she did not meet "your" version of proper attention to her appearance before daring to go outside.

 

What I highlighted speaks volumes about you. You really, truly are slime. It's official.

 

 

Put simply, I do not believe for a second you would tell the truth on this. You always seem way more motivated to try and put me down than tell the truth, so honesty is not really that high on your priority list.

 

 

I have known most of the people on these boards for years. I've built friendships with them and have shared some of the most wonderful, terrifying, humiliating, exhilarating, and raw experiences of my life with them. I've never been anything but myself and am always willing to express the truth even to my own detriment.

 

Don't you EVER call me a liar.

 

You've crossed the line with me, TJ. From this point on, you can go to hell for all I care.

 

And you cry about people being "100%" nasty to you? You got it. I'll give you bad blood.....and fukking drown you in it.

 

 

I know this board is gotten to the point that we are trying to bring on new topics and such but hell this bickering is really getting old.

 

Agreed. I apologize for my part in the bickering, snaf. I will endeavor to keep my regular thread derailments to a minimum.

[emkay64]

?Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it may be necessary from time to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye.?

 

Miss Piggy

[timesjoke]

Fuk you and you can take your little "winky smiley" and shove it up your ass.

 

The old you can dish it out but you can't take it situation, typical, lol.

 

So why is it I am supposed to never be offended or bothered if "you" or other members of your coven use a smiley or lol indicator but you feel completely justified to get upset if I use the same joke meaning indicators?

 

More double standards I suppose.

 

Your man crush on RO is creepy. Does your white male Christian god know you fantasize about him?

 

Sorry darling but it was RO who broke into that game first, not me, I tend to say away from the gay/word game because too often those who attempt to play get angry very fast when they are given back what they give.

 

What I highlighted speaks volumes about you. You really, truly are slime. It's official.

 

What?

 

If I chose to avoid someone who is dressed a certain way I am slime? You need to come back down to reality sweetheart, because you have run off the reservation with that little flame attempt.

 

 

My point was that while I may avoid a single person who I find to be unsavory, it ends there while when you find someone to be unsavory, you will obsess over them and spread your displeasure all over the place. How many people have you shared your displeasure of this mustard shirt lady with Ali?

 

 

I have known most of the people on these boards for years. I've built friendships with them and have shared some of the most wonderful, terrifying, humiliating, exhilarating, and raw experiences of my life with them. I've never been anything but myself and am always willing to express the truth even to my own detriment.

 

Don't you EVER call me a liar.

 

Turn about is fair play Ali, if you guys feel it is okay to call me a liar, I will return the favor, you get treated the way you treat me, no more double standards.

 

 

You've crossed the line with me, TJ. From this point on, you can go to hell for all I care.

 

And you cry about people being "100%" nasty to you? You got it. I'll give you bad blood.....and fukking drown you in it.

 

And that changes things how?

 

Your threat is without meaning because you alreqady act that way to me Ali, you have already gone to the max so there is no way to increase it. Be my guest, get more stupid, I cannot possibly care less because you already ignore reality to chase hate.

 

 

 

Agreed. I apologize for my part in the bickering, snaf. I will endeavor to keep my regular thread derailments to a minimum.

 

So you show how bad you feel about your part in the bickering by adding more bickering, why does that seem reasonable from someone like you?

 

 

 

 

 

“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it may be necessary from time to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye.”

 

 

 

Miss Piggy

 

 

 

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Sorry darling but it was RO who broke into that game first, not me, I tend to say away from the gay/word game because too often those who attempt to play get angry very fast when they are given back what they give.

 

Which is why you play the role of "catcher" so well.

[timesjoke]

Which is why you play the role of "catcher" so well.

 

Well I can play any baseball possition very well, too bad the only catcher possition you like to play is the one where the man is oitching, and your catching.

 

 

Why are you so against sex with women RO?

[RoyalOrleans]

Well I can play any baseball possition very well, too bad the only catcher possition you like to play is the one where the man is oitching, and your catching.

 

 

Why are you so against sex with women RO?

 

Were you born stupid or did you have to work on it?

[timesjoke]

Were you born stupid or did you have to work on it?

 

So now me not liking men means I am stupid?

 

Just because I do not like the kind of same sex you like, that does not make me stupid RO.

[Chi]

I believe and sense RO is way into women even when he pretends to be gay. Just the vibe I get.

[timesjoke]

I believe and sense RO is way into women even when he pretends to be gay. Just the vibe I get.

 

Well I don't know one way or the other, but he does dip his toe into that pool very often, it makes me wonder sometimes if he will take off the floaties and jump on in, lol.

[Chi]

Well I don't know one way or the other, but he does dip his toe into that pool very often, it makes me wonder sometimes if he will take off the floaties and jump on in, lol.

 

You do more so than him and with more gusto and gross abandonment, so what does that say? raises eyebrow

[timesjoke]

You do more so than him and with more gusto and gross abandonment, so what does that say? raises eyebrow

 

More? He strated it most of the time and I generally finish it because he is not very good at it to be honest but not everyone can play the word game well.

[Chi]

More? He strated it most of the time and I generally finish it because he is not very good at it to be honest but not everyone can play the word game well.

 

I disagree, but whatever. Not something worth arguing about.

[RoyalOrleans]

More? He strated it most of the time and I generally finish it because he is not very good at it to be honest but not everyone can play the word game well.

 

I did not know we were in a word game, TJ. You don't know what you are in for if you call on the wrath, TJ? If anything, you are the one incapable of forming a great comeback. Instead I hear the ol standby's like "I know you are", "Stop talking about yourself", et al and other schoolyard taunts.

 

You're talking to a man who has been influenced by the absolute best sh!t-talkers around. I have heard it from Parris Island to San Diego from Minneapolis to Baton Rouge from Saudi Arabia to fukken Germany.

 

I am the flame-fukken master. And if there is one thing on earth that I am good at, it is degrading, dog-cussing, and belittling c nts too proud to know when to shut up.

 

So before we proceed, do you want to enter into a war of words? If not, I understand and won't hold it against you on the message board.

[Chi]

I just noticed something. We sure do have a lot more ladies than I originally thought at this board;)

 

And

 

That sounds like the gal who complained about me eating a hotdog and making out with her at the same time.

 

we don't want to hear all the details of your MMF threesome, Hugo. Geesh....

[Ahhlee]

I did not know we were in a word game, TJ. You don't know what you are in for if you call on the wrath, TJ? If anything, you are the one incapable of forming a great comeback. Instead I hear the ol standby's like "I know you are", "Stop talking about yourself", et al and other schoolyard taunts.

 

You're talking to a man who has been influenced by the absolute best sh!t-talkers around. I have heard it from Parris Island to San Diego from Minneapolis to Baton Rouge from Saudi Arabia to fukken Germany.

 

I am the flame-fukken master. And if there is one thing on earth that I am good at, it is degrading, dog-cussing, and belittling c nts too proud to know when to shut up.

 

So before we proceed, do you want to enter into a war of words? If not, I understand and won't hold it against you on the message board.

 

There is no way....NO WAY...TJ can match you at wits, RO, especially in a word game.

 

Unfortunately, he won't enter the ring with you. I'm sure he has a list of standby excuses at the ready...."I don't have to prove myself to you", "I would, but eddo will rig the contest", "My butt hurts", "I'm on my period"....the usual fare.

 

It's too bad because it would have been interesting to see!

[eddo]

There is no way....NO WAY...TJ can match you at wits, RO, especially in a word game.

 

Unfortunately, he won't enter the ring with you. I'm sure he has a list of standby excuses at the ready...."I don't have to prove myself to you", "I would, but eddo will rig the contest", "My butt hurts", "I'm on my period"....the usual fare.

 

It's too bad because it would have been interesting to see!

 

It's nice to know that I am on par with the "my butt hurts" excuse.

[ImWithStupid]

I just noticed something. We sure do have a lot more ladies than I originally thought at this board;)

 

 

Hmm? I haven't seen any. Oh wait, I guess there is Atlantic.

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Only a woman would be nasty and vile enough to believe and express that this dress is inappropriate for public, right? A man would NEVER think or say such things!

 

I'd ask her where she got her skirt.

[timesjoke]

There is no way....NO WAY...TJ can match you at wits, RO, especially in a word game.

 

Unfortunately, he won't enter the ring with you. I'm sure he has a list of standby excuses at the ready...."I don't have to prove myself to you", "I would, but eddo will rig the contest", "My butt hurts", "I'm on my period"....the usual fare.

 

It's too bad because it would have been interesting to see!

 

 

 

 

lol, ask RO about the two pm's I wrote him trying to make sure he could take it because I did not want to play the game if it was not "friendly".

 

 

The word game can be great fun between people who treat it as a game, those who are trying to be intentionally hurtful or mean spirited are playing for the wrong reasons and I see no point is being intentionally hateful.

 

 

I told him then that if we do it for the right reasons I am more than happy to play the sex word game with him, he never replied to my second request so I assumed he did not want to play.

 

 

So I leave it up to RO, if he wants to have a friendly game, I am more than willing, if he is just looking for an excuse to be bitter and ugly, then no.

 

 

 

 

Think of it this way, you can have a fun game of neighborhood football or you can play trying to actually hurt someone where fun, the score, or anything else does not matter. One is great fun for me, the other is a waste of my time.

[Chi]

 

I told him then that if we do it for the right reasons I am more than happy to play the sex word game with him, he never replied to my second request so I assumed he did not want to play.

 

 

Happy to play the sex word game with him? Ghey....

[Ahhlee]

I told him then that if we do it for the right reasons I am more than happy to play the sex word game with him, he never replied to my second request so I assumed he did not want to play.

 

 

 

 

 

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