Tiger Racist?

[timesjoke]

I have been reading some of the many commentary columns about the Tiger situation after a friend showed me an interesting trend.

 

 

They "seem" to be saying that he is pushing a sort of racist pattern where even when he is chasing other women, he only selects "Barbi Doll" white women. The question some seem to be asking is with all the vast sea of beautiful women in the world, why does he not select any variety in his various sexual partners?

 

 

The one thing they never say is "where is the black women"?

 

 

The trend of sports and other very famous black men is to "NOT" want anything to do with black women and the point that seems to be made is people like Tiger Woods are making the situation worse.

 

 

 

 

You know what, I feel putting these people too high on a pedestal is a recipe for danger anyway but to a certain degree I guess I see some of this point. The common expression for "making it" for a black man is to have a white woman, so the question is:

 

 

Is that a bad thing?

 

 

Thoughts?

[mercury]

He's only 1/4 Black... does that mean that if there's any African American in his lineage that he should ONLY date Black women? What's the big freaking deal?

 

He's also 1/4 Dutch, so maybe his upbringing and exposure to that culture helped frame his preferences.

 

I don't know... and I don't really care.

[timesjoke]

I have several friends who are black so I have asked a couple of them today what they think about this attention to the race aspect and it is interesting to hear the difference between how black men and black women respond.

 

 

Black women really do seem to take this issue seriously and to them when a famous black man rejects black women completely, it does bother some of them.

[ImWithStupid]

My theory is that white barbie doll type women are more likely to be skanky sluts that would sleep with a married man.

 

Second thought, no. All kinds of women are skanky sluts.

[emkay64]

I have a very good black friend. He says he's not attracted to black women. Well..let me rephrase...initially he is but inevitably he said he doesn't like the look of the skin surrounding the woman's genitalia, nipple, and nor does he like the texture of the hair. Hypocrite for sure, but the heart wants what the heart wants lol.

[timesjoke]

I have my own theory.

 

I really like most black women as friends, they tend to be very........energetic with their opinions. Rarely have I found a black woman who was not fast to tell you what was on their minds.

 

 

White women can be vocal, but not with the assertiveness that the average black woman has (in my experience). In all the cases I have seen with famous black men who have the "Barbi" white girls, the women seem very submissive to the guy........something no black woman I have ever known would be willing to do.

 

 

 

Take this situation for example, sure his wife beat his azz with a golf club, Tiger tried to drive away and crashed his car. Tiger lied and said his wife did not hit him but if that was what I know as the average black woman there would have been no lies, she would have still been beating him with the golf club when the cops arrived and she would have screamed out "ya, I beat his azz, the S. O. B. should not have been screwing around on me, I should cut his d!ck off, and I will if he does it again".

 

 

[hugo]

I am more attracted to Filipinas and Latinas. Does that make me a racist? I would argue the vast majority of individuals who marry within their race are more likely to be racist.

[timesjoke]

To be a racist under the way this is talking about is usually "excluding" a group.

 

 

Some people are saying that these black men are excluding even the possibility of dating in their own race at all, so I guess that is the exclusion the way they see it. This is not my point of view though, I am just talking about some of the commentary I have seen from the black community especially many black women.

 

 

I think it is funny actually.

 

 

 

 

emkay,

 

The heart wants, what the heart wants, but how often do we want the fancy sport car because our neighbor has one?

 

The new zero turning radius mower because the neighbor has one?

 

The big Christmas light display because the neighbor has one?

 

 

The question that some of these groups seem to be asking is if these famous black men with white women are setting up other black men to reject black women. Is that a possibility?

 

 

Are black men like Tiger Woods setting the standard that other black men try to achieve?

 

 

Remember the commercials "be like Mike"?

[emkay64]

"Are black men like Tiger Woods setting the standard that other black men try to achieve?

 

 

Remember the commercials "be like Mike"?"

 

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I'm going to go with "people are idiots if they take everything so damn literally". It should be painful to be that stupid. That said...yes...some stupid people will follow suit to be like him.

[timesjoke]

 

I'm going to go with "people are idiots if they take everything so damn literally". It should be painful to be that stupid. That said...yes...some stupid people will follow suit to be like him.

 

 

And I guess that is the point some of these groups are making so the next question is......should someone like Tiger Woods be more careful as to what they do because millions of young black children are looking up to him as their role model?

 

 

There was a lady on one of the news shows last night that said white children have an endless supply of white role models to emulate but young black boys have very few and out of the few they have, successful black sports stars seem to have the most impact. So when these black role models show that real success includes a white woman on your arm.................that hurts relationships in the black community.

 

 

Do you think this is possible emkay?

 

Can this kind of attitude by someone like Tiger be passed on to generations of young black boys/men who look up to Tiger?

[emkay64]

"There was a lady on one of the news shows last night that said white children have an endless supply of white role models to emulate but young black boys have very few and out of the few they have, successful black sports stars seem to have the most impact. So when these black role models show that real success includes a white woman on your arm.................that hurts relationships in the black community.

 

 

Do you think this is possible emkay?

 

Can this kind of attitude by someone like Tiger be passed on to generations of young black boys/men who look up to Tiger?"

 

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Anything is possible. The IQ of the nation consistently drops at an alarming rate. Should Tiger be careful not to offend anyone? Fuk NO!!! His life his choice, free country. He can date and sleep with, marry or commit adultery with anyone he chooses. Not my concern, nor is it anyone elses.

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[mercury]

Tiger Woods should be able to date/marry anyone, of any race, and still not be pigeon holed in that way. Why? Because he is a mix of ALL the races.

 

And if anyone really wants to get all bent over it, why isn't it the Asians doing the complaining? (he IS 1/2 Asian, BTW...) I don't understand why he is considered a BLACK role model... is it just because he has a darker complexion?

 

I guess what I really don't understand is why everyone insists on ignoring the fact that he is 3/4 NOT Black.

[timesjoke]

 

Anything is possible. The IQ of the nation consistently drops at an alarming rate. Should Tiger be careful not to offend anyone? Fuk NO!!! His life his choice, free country. He can date and sleep with, marry or commit adultery with anyone he chooses. Not my concern, nor is it anyone else.

 

So you don't think his choice to sell his image and intentionally be a public icon has any responsibility attached to it? No greater responsibility than someone who is not a public figure or "setting the standards"?

 

 

I remember someone saying that Obama had more pressure on him to not screw up because he was the first black President and him messing up would be a bad mark on "all" black people, not just himself. I think a lot of people in the Black communities are trying to say that these famous black people should represent their race better because their failures are felt by more than just them.

 

 

 

 

Merc, because he looks black and has accepted many awards and attended many functions with people recognising him as a "black athlete".

 

 

As far as his "true" parentage, who knows for sure what that is? Without DNA testing there is no way to know for sure. Did you know it is possible for white parents to have a black child?

 

Understanding Genetics: Human Health and the Genome

 

In many cases it is our perceptions, not reality that governs our decisions, I made a big post about that once.

[emkay64]

So you don't think his choice to sell his image and intentionally be a public icon has any responsibility attached to it? No greater responsibility than someone who is not a public figure or "setting the standards"?

 

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No I don't. I think people need to grow a brain and think on their own.

[timesjoke]

 

No I don't. I think people need to grow a brain and think on their own.

 

Well this is where we will not agree.

 

 

If he is greedy enough to sponge off the public billions of dollars selling his image, I think a certain responsibility exists by that exchange of money to conduct yourself in certain ways.

 

 

He made almost all of his billions from selling his squeeky clean image, a great deal of the money he made was from helping to sell products to the black community who were buying into that image he was creating. This was all by choice, nobody forced Tiger to create this image, or to take the money.

 

 

I think we all are responsible to set the standards for younger generations but people like Tiger who make massive amounts of money selling their image has an even greater responsibility because he is taking the money.........

 

In my opinion.

[emkay64]

Yup, we disagree.

[hugo]

I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.

Charles Barkley

 

The real problem is too many black kids have no male role model in the home. It does not take a village to raise a child it takes a mother and father.

[snafu]

I must be a racist too because I like the barbie doll types too.

[snafu]

Tiger Woods should be able to date/marry anyone, of any race, and still not be pigeon holed in that way. Why? Because he is a mix of ALL the races.

 

And if anyone really wants to get all bent over it, why isn't it the Asians doing the complaining? (he IS 1/2 Asian, BTW...) I don't understand why he is considered a BLACK role model... is it just because he has a darker complexion?

 

I guess what I really don't understand is why everyone insists on ignoring the fact that he is 3/4 NOT Black.

 

merc I agree with you totally but society doesn't see it that way. if you have dark skin you are from Africa.

[hugo]

I will bet Tiger weighs more than a duck.

[Old Salt]

I must be a racist too because I like the barbie doll types too.

I'm an Equal Opportunity Enjoyer.

[hugo]

Doubt if a golfer is a hero to too many black kids anyways. My heroes when I was a kid were Bob Gibson and Lou Brock, two baseball players for the St Louis Cardinals who happen to be black. Can't call them role models. My dad was my role model.

[timesjoke]

My dad was my role model.

 

Don't you think not having a dad in their life can leave a big hole that can be filled with any idiot like this or any other sports hero? It is not a matter of what sport they play, it is about being a successful black man, and you can certainly say Tiger is that.

 

And it is not just the black community, the white community are now seeing the same problem on a smaller (but growing) scale where fathers are not involved in raising their children on a daily basis and the children are looking for a male figure to look up to.

[atlantic]

I am so sick of this story. Nancy Grace shows nothing else now. Let's face it Tiger is a good looking, successful, guy. He probably gets hit on several times a day. Who knows why he chose the woman he did, could just be because they are sexy to him.

 

Kids role models should be their parents. Why is so much pressure being put on Tiger? Cut the already.

[timesjoke]

When the powerful fall, it is news unfortunately.

 

Most of my loving this story is how other people are reacting to it, not Tiger himself.

 

 

 

I do wonder this though......if the situation was reversed, and the man had been beating the crap out of his wife with a golf club, would the cops had let it go? Somehow I doubt it.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, I don't feel bad for Tiger in the slightest, he was weak, and is getting the penalty for being weak.

 

Atlantic, don't think for a second that Tiger is the only man in a committed relationship who has to exercise self control. Wearing a wedding band and having a job is all you need for some women to hit on you no matter what you look like.

 

Sure his money and fame may have increased it some but at the end of the day, he asked for all of this, nobody forced him to sell his image and take the billions of dollars, that was his choice to live this life.

 

 

 

The only people I feel bad for is the wife and kids, the kids are very young now but I am sure they will one day know about these things and the wife will never be able to go anywhere for the rest of her life without everyone she meets knowing her husband slept around on her all the time.

 

The real question is, will she think this leopard will change his spots?

 

Sure he feels bad "NOW" because he got busted, but two years down the road after all this has been forgotten, will the personality that gave into temptation still be there? It is like a drug addiction, most will "fall of the wagon" over and over again their entire life.