Schoolyard Taunting

[snafu]

I'm sure if you owned a plot of land with an ocean of oil under you'd sell it. and when you were rolling in all that doe we would have to worry about how you spent it.

[mercury]

no worries there... he'd spend it all on Shiner, strippers and Waffle House.

[hugo]

no worries there... he'd spend it all on Shiner, strippers and Waffle House.

 

I like my strippers with A-cups.

[mercury]

Thank God for that! I'd just be wasting my time up there, if not for you

[ImWithStupid]

Wow. I sure hope it's full nude strippers or a-cups are a waste of time.

[timesjoke]

I'm sure if you owned a plot of land with an ocean of oil under you'd sell it. and when you were rolling in all that doe we would have to worry about how you spent it.

 

Hugo says the money should go to people who pay taxes, and I have shown that there are many, many ways to pay taxes, even hugo party agreed that there are different ways people pay taxes, so why is it hard for him to understand that while the people getting the 'free money' may not pay one kind of tax, they are most likely paying other taxes that still amount to more than the payments they get from the Government?

 

Take for example that the various Government levels make way more money from the sale of gas than the oil companies. When prices were hitting record highs I remember story after story about the 'evil' oil companies and the profit they make but not one story about how the Government made three times as much profit without any risk.

 

 

 

 

So hugo wants the all powerful Government to own all the oil too?

 

Give the oil away for political contributions and personal gain?

 

Is that not welfare for politicians? Did the politicians "earn" the oil? Why give the oil to politicians?

 

 

Seems to me hugo is still inconsistent, in one breath he says police deserve to be screamed at because they represent an oppressive Government, then he says the same oppressive Government should be able to take oil resources for personal political gain..........

 

 

Weird.......

[snafu]

Yeah I don't think he really believes Alaska should sell the land and then let the oil companies wreak havoc.

Sarah gave that extra $1,200 dollars back to the people because of the gas prices were so high. If he wants to call the state making sure it?s people don?t freeze to death welfare than that?s his stance. But the money she gave back to the people belonged to the people int he first place. And your right. People pay taxes in many ways. If you had to spend $10 for a gallon of milk and everything else was as expensive you would need a break.

[timesjoke]

Well I partly agree with hugo in that handouts are bad most of the time, at least handouts run by Governments are bad, run by churches and such are usually very good for the community.

 

 

Where hugo is missing the boat is he refuses to see the oil as belonging to the people. Hugo wants to give the politicians free reign to use the oil for personal political gain.

 

 

 

Look at it this way:

 

 

Obama promises to steal money from my paycheck and after extracting some of it for the overhead of buracracy, to give that to people and buy votes, 'free money' to those who did nothing and gave nothing up to receive this money in exchange for a vote.

 

 

 

If the main concern is that people got money they did not "earn", then how is it any different to redirect these funds from the sold oil to "only" people who pay large amounts of taxes?

 

Did the people paying higher taxes go out and extract the oil?

 

Did these people own the land?

 

Explain how these people "earned" the oil sale money?

 

 

 

Otherwise it is just another form of welfare, only to what hugo would call a "better class" of person.

 

 

 

 

 

To me it is about the law, if the oil "belongs" to the people, then they should be reimbursed for it's sale. I seriously doubt a politician who was given complete control over the oil would do anything but figure out how to line his own pockets with money.

 

I believe texas also shares the oil proceeds with all residents in one form or another, keeping fees and taxes low for just about everything. That must be welfare too right?

[hugo]

I guess I am a Reagan conservative. I oppose windfall profit taxes. I guess y'all are Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama conservatives. I pray for our country.

 

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosy think the oil windfall profit tax is a great idea.

 

More taxes, more welfare, government ownership of resources! The new conservative slogan.

 

I prefer the old conservative approach:

 

The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.

Ronald Reagan

 

That damn Reagan! Why did he repeal the federal tax on windfall oil profits? We could all be getting free money!

[hugo]

Once the octomom's fifteen minutes of fame are up she can move to Alaska.

[ImWithStupid]

I guess I am a Reagan conservative. I oppose windfall profit taxes. I guess y'all are Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama conservatives. I pray for our country.

 

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosy think the oil windfall profit tax is a great idea.

 

More taxes, more welfare, government ownership of resources! The new conservative slogan.

 

I prefer the old conservative approach:

 

The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.

Ronald Reagan

 

That damn Reagan! Why did he repeal the federal tax on windfall oil profits? We could all be getting free money!

 

 

How much state income tax do you pay, Hugo?

[hugo]

How much state income tax do you pay, Hugo?

 

We pay high property taxes and the state of Texas don't mail me a check.

[timesjoke]

We pay high property taxes and the state of Texas don't mail me a check.

 

But the point I made earlier of how these same Alaskans are still paying more tax money into the Government than they receive back in the form of a check still applies:

 

You may not pay a state income tax but there are other taxes.

 

 

 

 

You admit it there, every product purchased at a store has embedded taxes into it, all taxes are passed on to the consumer so when these "poor" people spend their money, they are actually paying the taxes of companies.......companies do not pay taxes, they pass the cost of the tax to their goods/services sold.

 

Then there is property taxes and other government fees to cover just about every other aspect of life, no hugo, these people are not getting 'free money', they are getting a refund for "PART" of the money paid into the Government back.

 

 

 

Your problem is people you have no respect for are getting a tax refund, you want a 'better' class of person to get 'free money'.

 

 

 

I pointed out before, the writer you said was a good conservative wants the funds redirected into his pocket in a larger amount than he already gets, did this man do anything to actually earn funds made off of the oil?

 

Did he extract the oil from the ground?

 

Did he ship the oil to storage plants?

 

Did he own the land?

 

Did he do a single thing in his life to assist the oil collection/transport/sale process?

 

 

 

So how has he "earned" the money, much less a greater percentage of the sale than anyone else in the State of Alaska?

[ImWithStupid]

We pay high property taxes and the state of Texas don't mail me a check.

 

 

Nice try. According the Tax Foundation, Texas hovers around 43rd in the nation for state and local tax burden. Only 7 states are lower that Texas.

 

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sl_burden_ustotal&allstates-20080807.xls

 

You are benefiting from the tax on the oil and gas production in Texas, by lower personal taxes, no different than getting a check back, you pay less up front.

[timesjoke]

You are benefiting from the tax on the oil and gas production in Texas, by lower personal taxes, no different than getting a check back, you pay less up front.

 

Oops, busted again.

 

As much as hugo likes to claim I am the reason he does not debate in a reasonable way, it was not me who had to attack the other person's dead mother because I could not handle the hard questions being asked......

 

 

Hugo has avoided direct questions from IWS and snaf as well. I am just the most vocal to point it out each time hugo dodges an honest question or point.

[hugo]

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals -- if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Ronald Reagan

 

http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2009/10/the-reaganhayek-legacy.html

 

The Great Bimbo, Sarah Palin, on Hayek:

 

I think she is a pretty good actress.

[hugo]

Nice try. According the Tax Foundation, Texas hovers around 43rd in the nation for state and local tax burden. Only 7 states are lower that Texas.

 

 

We don't spend much here in Texas. That is the reason for the low taxes. Lower spending requires less revenue. Limited government requires less resources. Do I have to tell conservatives this?

 

Why is it that in the last 40 years liberals have been supporting a windfall profits tax on oil and conservatives have been against it?

 

Do you favor increased federal taxes?

 

Do you favor governments raising taxes when they are already in then black and then mailing welfare checks with the new funds?

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfhZsol8Cck]YouTube- HILLARY CLINTON ON ENERGY & HOW TO HELP GAS PRICES[/ame] Guess what, y'all in the same boat with Hillary, Barack and Jimmy.

[ImWithStupid]

We don't spend much here in Texas. That is the reason for the low taxes. Lower spending requires less revenue. Limited government requires less resources. Do I have to tell conservatives this?

 

Why is it that in the last 40 years liberals have been supporting a windfall profits tax on oil and conservatives have been against it?

 

Do you favor increased federal taxes?

 

Do you favor governments raising taxes when they are already in then black and then mailing welfare checks with the new funds?

 

Guess what, y'all in the same boat with Hillary, Barack and Jimmy.

 

 

What have I ever said that would even make that a valid question to ask me?

 

You're the one living large on the back of the blood, sweat and work of those in the oil industry. Don't pass your, spread the wealth, socialist guilt off on me.

 

You talk a big game, buy you're no different from the people of Alaska. It makes no difference if you benefit up front, with low or no income tax or a refund later.

 

To answer your question. No. I'm against it, but I also don't say one thing and live another, like some people.

[hugo]

What have I ever said that would even make that a valid question to ask me?

 

You're the one living large on the back of the blood, sweat and work of those in the oil industry. Don't pass your, spread the wealth, socialist guilt off on me.

 

You talk a big game, buy you're no different from the people of Alaska. It makes no difference if you benefit up front, with low or no income tax or a refund later.

 

To answer your question. No. I'm against it, but I also don't say one thing and live another, like some people.

 

The "living large" amounts to less than $30 per Texan. The socialist alcohol taxes take a lot more from me. Also, if it was up to me that socialist oil production tax would not exist and I would not vote for anyone that expanded it. We had this conversation before.

 

Alaska was the most socialist state in the union when Sarah became governor, she decided that was not enough government. I guess she resided a bit too close to the ole Soviet Union and was infected by the commie virus.

 

Look at this:

 

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/287.html

 

Notice which state spends the most per capita (Alaska) and which spends the least (Texas). That is why we got no state income tax. Not the oil production tax which amounts to less than 8 cents a day per Texan. Living large on that 8 cents a day.

 

Notice that Alaska spends more per capita than California and Massachusetts combined. Sarah thought that spending was not enough.

[timesjoke]

And yet hugo supports Big Government grabbing up the resources itself, and using it for individual political gain......

 

 

Hugo has always been two faced, he says he supports a conservative value system but at the same time he also says he wants the "free money" to go into his pocket. That is exactly what the writer of the piece he posted and called a great conservative said, so that must be his real possition.

 

 

 

Now hugo is just dancing around the point, either the resources belong to someone or they do not. Should the oil companies get the oil out of the State for free?

 

 

 

 

What is the real difference between politicians sharing the sale of oil with all members of the State or the same politicians using the sale of oil to reward 'select' members or companies in the State?

 

Seriously, what is the real difference?

 

 

Equal shares certainly makes it harder for the funds to be used for individual corruption in Government, and I like that idea. As much as hugo loves to "say" he is against Government, he sure does support the all powerful and corrupt Government methods of excluding the people and doing whatever they want for personal political gain a lot.

[hugo]

Benjamin felt a nose nuzzling at his shoulder. He looked round. It was Clover. Her old eyes looked dimmer than ever. Without saying anything, she tugged gently at his mane and led him round to the end of the big barn, where the Seven Commandments were written. For a minute or two they stood gazing at the tatted wall with its white lettering.

 

?My sight is failing,? she said finally. ?Even when I was young I could not have read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks different. Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be, Benjamin??

 

For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:

 

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL

BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

 

After that it did not seem strange when next day the pigs who were supervising the work of the farm all carried whips in their trotters.

[ImWithStupid]

Benjamin felt a nose nuzzling at his shoulder. He looked round. It was Clover. Her old eyes looked dimmer than ever. Without saying anything, she tugged gently at his mane and led him round to the end of the big barn, where the Seven Commandments were written. For a minute or two they stood gazing at the tatted wall with its white lettering.

 

?My sight is failing,? she said finally. ?Even when I was young I could not have read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks different. Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be, Benjamin??

 

For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:

 

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL

BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

 

After that it did not seem strange when next day the pigs who were supervising the work of the farm all carried whips in their trotters.

 

Now you're referring to TJ and his claim that only "income" taxpayers and non-government workers should be allowed to vote.

 

TJ has long been for a ruling class/caste system of government.

 

He doesn't care about any other tax you pay to support government.

[timesjoke]

Now you're referring to TJ and his claim that only "income" taxpayers and non-government workers should be allowed to vote.

 

TJ has long been for a ruling class/caste system of government.

 

He doesn't care about any other tax you pay to support government.

 

Nice try there Joe, you and hugo worked it out pretty well together but that is not actually what I said.

 

 

I said only those who can prove they pay taxes should be allowed to vote because people who do not pay taxes always vote for socialist agendas and severely left leaning canidates.

 

 

 

It was a joke actually because I know something like that could never happen, it would never be politically correct. Ever 'wish' you could win the lottery? Ever talk with friends about how you would spend the money "if" you won? This is the same thing.

 

 

 

 

 

hugo on the other hand wants something that can and does happen all the time, to give individual politicians the power to "buy votes". Who cares what segment of votes they are buying? The result is the same, either the people getting the money "earned" the funds or they did not.

 

 

 

So did hugo 'earn' the money that offsets his personal tax burdon in the State of Texas? Or is he instead getting 'free money' paid in on his behalf to lower his burdon?

 

 

Is that welfare.........?

[mercury]

My kid paid taxes on the Nintendo game he bought last week. Let's give hm a vote!

 

That wouldn't work, not because it's politically incorrect, but because it's just plain stupid.

[hugo]

just plain stupid.

 

Describes TJ perfectly.