ImWithStupid Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 Nice try there Joe, you and hugo worked it out pretty well together but that is not actually what I said. What the hell are you babbling about? Worked what out, together? I said only those who can prove they pay taxes should be allowed to vote because people who do not pay taxes always vote for socialist agendas and severely left leaning canidates. It was a joke actually because I know something like that could never happen, it would never be politically correct. Ever 'wish' you could win the lottery? Ever talk with friends about how you would spend the money "if" you won? This is the same thing. So, comrade Stalin, the only reason you now say it is a joke, is because you don't think it can happen. So, if you could wave a magic wand, you would create a ruling class of citizens, based on income and profession. Sounds like the progressive movement to me. A ruling class to tell others how to live their lives and make the rules to enforce their decisions. Quote
timesjoke Posted January 20, 2010 Posted January 20, 2010 What the hell are you babbling about? Worked what out, together? Play stupid if you insist, lol. So, comrade Stalin, the only reason you now say it is a joke, is because you don't think it can happen. So, if you could wave a magic wand, you would create a ruling class of citizens, based on income and profession. Sounds like the progressive movement to me. A ruling class to tell others how to live their lives and make the rules to enforce their decisions. Yep, playing stupid, answering you is also stupid, so why not....... No, I would be the king of the world, why have a bunch of people between me and the actions when the people with that kind of power would just be corrupted anyway, lol. No dumbass........ The point was that in a "perfect" world, those who pay for things get to make the decisions, while those who are leaching have the option of getting off their azz and being one of the deciders or to stay leaching and not get a 'vote'. Consider it like your home, if your paying the bills, you make the rules of the house, if you let an out of work buddy move in with you, will you let him set or change the rules of your home while your paying for him to live for free on your food, electricity, etc.....? I don't think so. If you say otherwise we all know your telling a lie. Anyway, as I said, it was just one of those comments that are just tossed out there for screwing around, kind of like you saying I was banned on a dozen forums but when I asked you to back that comment up, you ran away from it. We all have our own ways of talking sh!t, one way I like to play around is to say I want things that can never be, I thought my example of the lottery was enough for even you to understand that point but I guess not. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 Play stupid if you insist, lol. Yep, playing stupid, answering you is also stupid, so why not....... No, I would be the king of the world, why have a bunch of people between me and the actions when the people with that kind of power would just be corrupted anyway, lol. No dumbass........ The point was that in a "perfect" world, those who pay for things get to make the decisions, while those who are leaching have the option of getting off their azz and being one of the deciders or to stay leaching and not get a 'vote'. Consider it like your home, if your paying the bills, you make the rules of the house, if you let an out of work buddy move in with you, will you let him set or change the rules of your home while your paying for him to live for free on your food, electricity, etc.....? I don't think so. If you say otherwise we all know your telling a lie. Anyway, as I said, it was just one of those comments that are just tossed out there for screwing around, kind of like you saying I was banned on a dozen forums but when I asked you to back that comment up, you ran away from it. We all have our own ways of talking sh!t, one way I like to play around is to say I want things that can never be, I thought my example of the lottery was enough for even you to understand that point but I guess not. Where's this crap coming from? If you look back, Hugo and I aren't exactly on the same page on this thread, but the fact thay you think you should be some fukking ruling party, concerns me more than anything Hugo says. His quote from Animal Farm was perfect for you and your mentality. You think everyone should be equal, just some people more equal than others. My point is that if that's your perfect world or what's in your heart, you need to study the words of your founding fathers, because you don't fukkin' get it and people like you are more dangerous than those who want to change the country like Obama, because at least they understand the ideology they are trying to instill. Dumbass, huh. Mr. Highandmighty, high road name calling. Nice. Now listen up. Maybe you ought to take a fukking, Times...HUSH, look at what your saying. Nice to see you're the one dredging up the past. That was even on a different forum that doesn't even exist anymore. Keep it up and see what happens. And just to alleviate any kind of mistake of what I'm talking about. Yes, that is a threat. I'm done with the . I was about to get all Medieval on everyone right before the truce happened spontaneously. In your delusional mind, Hugo and I spent 70 posts on this thread, setting you up to get you agreeing with me on nearly every post I made, challenging Hugo, just to switch up on you and "work it out very well together". Now you just sound like a paranoid schizophrenic. There was no collaboration by me and Hugo. Not playing stupid. Just playing, SANE. Quote
timesjoke Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 Where's this crap coming from? If you look back, Hugo and I aren't exactly on the same page on this thread, but the fact thay you think you should be some fukking ruling party, concerns me more than anything Hugo says. "the enemey of my enemey is my friend" You never let a chance to take a shot at me pass for any reason. Even if you did not understand my point earlier, you should now after I detailed it out more, but your still acting like you do not so that proves your only interested in "gotcha" comments with me. His quote from Animal Farm was perfect for you and your mentality. You think everyone should be equal, just some people more equal than others. No I do not, as said above, now that there is no excuse for you to missunderstand, continuing to push this false comment is intentional and proves your not being sincere. My point is that if that's your perfect world or what's in your heart, you need to study the words of your founding fathers, because you don't fukkin' get it and people like you are more dangerous than those who want to change the country like Obama, because at least they understand the ideology they are trying to instill. As I said, it is fantacy, dreaming, not serious or something I would ever expect or really want. I explained it with the lottery example, if you are intentionally blocking yourself from understanding that then I cannot help you. But, the founding fathers were creating a system of people who took care of themselves, things like welfare have drastically changed the dynamic they were creating, are you honestly trying to say you can't see how the voying system has been corrupted by welfare? Dumbass, huh. Mr. Highandmighty, high road name calling. Nice. Now listen up. Maybe you ought to take a fukking, Times...HUSH, look at what your saying. Nice to see you're the one dredging up the past. That was even on a different forum that doesn't even exist anymore. Keep it up and see what happens. And just to alleviate any kind of mistake of what I'm talking about. Yes, that is a threat. Hide what you can't answer to, I expected that. I was not trying to screw with you, just point out that you have always had a personal thing with me. I'm done with the . I was about to get all Medieval on everyone right before the truce happened spontaneously. In your delusional mind, Hugo and I spent 70 posts on this thread, setting you up to get you agreeing with me on nearly every post I made, challenging Hugo, just to switch up on you and "work it out very well together". Now you just sound like a paranoid schizophrenic. There was no collaboration by me and Hugo. Not playing stupid. Just playing, SANE. I never said you spent 70 posts setting up anything. where did you get that? When an opportunity presents itself to take a shot at me, you will, that was my only point. Trying to insert extra stuff into what I say is not reasonable. Now the "times hush". I will now gladly shut up upon request, part of your responsibility with that agreement is to now tell me in pm's how I upset you to this point and help me understand how better to reply to your comments to not make you mad. But, attacking me and putting me down at the same time your using the "times hush" is not really the spirit of the agreement I am offering. I was trying to make it so me and another person could discuss how to get along, not how you can shut me up and continue bashing me forever without me commenting. But even though your not using it in good faith, I will still respect my word and no longer comment in this thread, you have the thread sir. Quote
snafu Posted January 21, 2010 Author Posted January 21, 2010 Commonsense Conservatives Sarah Palin: We don't trust utopian promises from politicians. The role of government is not to perfect us but to protect us -- to protect our inalienable rights. The role for the government in a civil society is to protect the individual and to establish a social contract so that we can live together in peace. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
hugo Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 Unless that individual is an employee or shareholder of an oil company or one of it's many contractors or suppliers and other beneficiaries from the trickle down effect of increased employment. When it comes to politicians pay attention to what they do, not what they say. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
timesjoke Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 Like follow the law of the land? Palin was following the law of the land to enforce the rights of her people who own the oil hugo. We have already established you also get welfare from the unearned funds that are paid on your behalf into Government because of oil revenue. The forms welfare take may look different but the question is, did you "EARN" the money that was paid on your behalf? No. So if you did not "EARN" it, then that money was a form of welfare all residents of Texas benefit from. Here in Florida we do not have a state income tax, this is made possible because my state has higher taxes on the vacation/resort industry. Every Floridian benefits from a large portion of our taxes being paid by other people. Is that a form of welfare? Sure, from a certain perspective, our vacation industry is a kind or state resource that we all benefit from. I don't see a problem with that and maybe that makes me look a tad socialist to some very narrow minded people but to me I prefer sharing things equally to eliminate corruption. If we gave individual politicians discretinary control over that kind of money on a election to election basis, it would be too much of a temptation for the average person. Consider that almost all politicians are also lawyers, people trained in the art of telling lies. Quote
hugo Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Unless that individual is an employee or shareholder of an oil company or one of it's many contractors or suppliers and other beneficiaries from the trickle down effect of increased employment. When it comes to politicians pay attention to what they do, not what they say If you want something for nothing vote for Sarah, Be socialist, Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence. Ronald Reagan - Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan -First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 We who live in free market societies believe that growth, prosperity and ultimately human fulfillment, are created from the bottom up, not the government down. Only when the human spirit is allowed to invent and create, only when individuals are given a personal stake in deciding economic policies and benefiting from their success -- only then can societies remain economically alive, dynamic, progressive, and free. Trust the people. This is the one irrefutable lesson of the entire postwar period contradicting the notion that rigid government controls are essential to economic development. Ronald Reagan -September 29, 1981 God Bless You, Ronnie! Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Total State Expenditures per Capita, SFY2008 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Per Capita State Spending United States $4,936 Alabama $8,586 Alaska $17,907 Arizona $3,804 Arkansas $5,893 California $5,311 Colorado $5,092 Connecticut $7,004 Delaware $9,839 District of Columbia NA Florida $3,494 Georgia $3,791 Hawaii $8,668 Idaho $3,882 Illinois $3,650 Indiana $3,794 Iowa $5,387 Kansas $4,536 Kentucky $5,363 Louisiana $6,738 Maine $5,628 Maryland $5,266 Massachusetts $6,746 Michigan $4,397 Minnesota $5,438 Mississippi $5,305 Missouri $3,556 Montana $4,625 Nebraska $4,889 Nevada $3,532 New Hampshire $3,636 New Jersey $5,622 New Mexico $7,444 New York $5,961 North Carolina $4,497 North Dakota $5,608 Ohio $4,924 Oklahoma $5,478 Oregon $5,986 Pennsylvania $4,671 Rhode Island $6,737 South Carolina $4,616 South Dakota $3,915 Tennessee $4,218 Texas $3,380 Utah $4,554 Vermont $8,547 Virginia $4,532 Washington $4,833 West Virginia $10,309 Wisconsin $6,413 Wyoming $9,302 Newer numbers. Sarah increased socialism, in the state that was already the most socialist in the union, by 30%. Of course, she is a Republican it is great!! Republican socialism good. Democrat socialism bad! Good grief, no wonder we running down the path to serfdom. Florida voted for Barack Obama. I have set my computer so those with IQs below 50 are on ignore. In case someone is wondering why I am not responding to his ignorant and childish drivel. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 You barely made the cut. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 (blah, blah, blah for comment length) You got ten points on Palin. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 Per Capita State Spending United States $4,936 Alabama $8,586 Alaska $17,907 How the does a state spend 18K per citizen? Y'all eating caviar, snaf? Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
ImWithStupid Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 How the does a state spend 18K per citizen? Y'all eating caviar, snaf? I'm pretty sure it has a lot do do with a very low population and that leads to the government responsibility for the land management of a state that is more than twice the size of the next largest. Quote
hugo Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 I'm pretty sure it has a lot do do with a very low population and that leads to the government responsibility for the land management of a state that is more than twice the size of the next largest. I'm betting it has a lot to do with welfare for the indigenous population. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
ImWithStupid Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 I'm betting it has a lot to do with welfare for the indigenous population. Probably a lot of that too. They should pass that on to the Feds like most states do. Quote
Old Salt Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 I'm pretty sure it has a lot do do with a very low population and that leads to the government responsibility for the land management of a state that is more than twice the size of the next largest.It also has to do with the high prices on almost everything. It's kinda like Hawaii where things have to be shipped in at high cost. Quote
hugo Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 If the octomom moved to Alaska they would need another 270K. The budgets are here http://fin.admin.state.ak.us/dof/financial_reports/resource/budget_report_fy08.pdf I found the $632,765 for the governor's make up in 2008 a bit excessive. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
ImWithStupid Posted January 24, 2010 Posted January 24, 2010 If the octomom moved to Alaska they would need another 270K. Octomom is my favorite of all the X-Men. Quote
snafu Posted January 24, 2010 Author Posted January 24, 2010 How the does a state spend 18K per citizen? Y'all eating caviar, snaf? Everything has to be flown in at these villages across Alaska on mostly bush planes. Yeah they eat caviar but it's organic salmon roe they harvest themselves. The bread and butter on the other hand needs to be flown in as the fuel to cook and heat their homes. Milk as I said before goes for up to $10 a gallon in most villages. So it is extremely expensive for these people to live. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
hugo Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 Everything has to be flown in at these villages across Alaska on mostly bush planes. Yeah they eat caviar but it's organic salmon roe they harvest themselves. The bread and butter on the other hand needs to be flown in as the fuel to cook and heat their homes. Milk as I said before goes for up to $10 a gallon in most villages. So it is extremely expensive for these people to live. Why did those expenses go up 30% under Palin? I don't want just a social conservative, I want an economic conservative. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
snafu Posted January 25, 2010 Author Posted January 25, 2010 Why did those expenses go up 30% under Palin? I don't want just a social conservative, I want an economic conservative. I don't know that it did go up by that much. I do know that all across America gas prices went up thus making expenses higher up here too. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
timesjoke Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 Everything has to be flown in at these villages across Alaska on mostly bush planes. Yeah they eat caviar but it's organic salmon roe they harvest themselves. The bread and butter on the other hand needs to be flown in as the fuel to cook and heat their homes. Milk as I said before goes for up to $10 a gallon in most villages. So it is extremely expensive for these people to live. The thing hugo fails to understand is that we are not talking about Texas where everything is dirt cheap even the labor to build things where illegals from Mexico are conviently overlooked while they are needed to build a Government building but then are bad any other time. As snaf points out, milk costs $10, now if we compare that cost to what the rest of us pay for milk, we see a lot more than a 30% increase on just one item. Recent reports show that many states have run out of money in their unemployment accounts, most are experiencing massive shortfalls in tax collection while at the same time they were already deficit spending just like our Federal Government. 30%? Maybe Alaska was the only State who saw what was comming and planned for it? Hugo lives in a State where money he has not earned is used to offset his personal tax burdon, that is also welfare, but you notice he will never address that. Sure, he says he put me on ignore, he says that is because I am not smart but consider this........why is it someone who is so stupid can ask questions too difficult for him to respond to? If I am stupid and my questions are too hard for him to answer, then he must be completely brain dead and only parrotting what he sees from other people instead of actually being able to discuss these things on his own. Quote
Old Salt Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 I'd like to see those numbers adjusted for cost of living. That would better tell the story. Quote
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