Schoolyard Taunting

[timesjoke]

I consider the fact that you have a hard time wrapping your little mind around those who differ in opinion or to those who don't hitch their yoke to diluted ideals, but I am perfectly fine with that and ready to move on from there.

 

No one has principles these days... I am fine with that. I will always vote the way my heart guides me. I am far, out, and beyond compromising my integrity. I will assume that you are willing to bend to keep the same old, same old hacks in power who do nothing and reap the benefits.

 

 

Your refusal to bend makes it close to impossible for a conservative to get elected because of the splintering, why is it that concept is beyond your understanding?

 

 

 

Did you ever hear the old saying "United we stand, Divided we fall"?

 

 

Divide et impera = divide and rule.

[RoyalOrleans]

Well, go sell that sh t to your tourists. I know that full and well, but you shouldn't look at me to point the fingers.

 

Turn your finger towards to the confederacy of fools, the ignorant fringe, who get their news and information from Facebook friends, Entertainment Tonight, American Idol, and the Kardashians.

 

Walk with the blind man if you must, but my eyes are wide ass open.

 

esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem

[timesjoke]

Nice dodge but how about answering my question, why is it you cannot understand that splintering, being divided actually helps those you claim to despise?

 

The Healthcare bill was passed last night because of the splintered malcontents who put the Liberals into power. You only have yourself to blame for their success.

 

 

 

 

Again, I understand your point in theory, but if they are sticking together, and we are splintering apart, we cannot win.

 

Divide et impera = divide and rule.

[RoyalOrleans]

Nice dodge but how about answering my question, why is it you cannot understand that splintering, being divided actually helps those you claim to despise?

 

The Healthcare bill was passed last night because of the splintered malcontents who put the Liberals into power. You only have yourself to blame for their success.

 

 

 

 

Again, I understand your point in theory, but if they are sticking together, and we are splintering apart, we cannot win.

 

Divide et impera = divide and rule.

 

As I said in my previous response, I do understand what splintering will do to a party and I have no intention of regretting my vote(s). These socialists, and their big chief, in power were escorted into power for not having an "R" next to their name. The vast majority of people cannot tell the differences between the GOP and "conservative" philosophy, because the administration under Bush diluted such principles as they had.

 

In order for a "conservative" (I like classical liberalism myself), there will have to be a third party to rise to power from the shambles wrought by the RINOs. That's what I voted for in the 2008 election... to usher in resistance to the New World Order bent on centrally planning our economy and the axis of powers distributed from Washington. I voted against the tyranny of the majority, the whims of idiotic notions of democracy, and the two party system so quick to accept a bribe as to make one.

 

The groups are not so splintered, however, with the exception of fence-straddling Democrats, Congress passed healthcare legislation with those votes that were bought or coerced and by those who vote along party lines.

 

"iuris ignorantia est cum ius nostrum ignoramus" - it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights

[timesjoke]

Nice two-step there RO, but if you know that your vote cannot help a conservative minded person win, then your intentionally helping the liberal win, so while you claim with words to believe in conservative values, your actions prove you desire things like this healthcare bill to pass. You could have helped to prevent this kind of thing, but instead you decided to help it by intentionally witholding your support from conservative minded people who could win.

 

 

How much harm is done by these liberals while you waste time in the woods searching for a perfection and purity that does not exist?

 

 

Divide et impera = divide and rule.

[RoyalOrleans]

Nice two-step there RO, but if you know that your vote cannot help a conservative minded person win, then your intentionally helping the liberal win, so while you claim with words to believe in conservative values, your actions prove you desire things like this healthcare bill to pass. You could have helped to prevent this kind of thing, but instead you decided to help it by intentionally witholding your support from conservative minded people who could win.

 

 

How much harm is done by these liberals while you waste time in the woods searching for a perfection and purity that does not exist?

 

 

Divide et impera = divide and rule.

 

At last check, Ron Paul IS a Republican.

 

If you mean side with someone who has a better chance of winning, then you must've voted for Obama along with the rest of your state. McCain carried Georgia, but I wasn't dumb enough to waste my vote on a RINO who is a 25% socialist.

[wez]

I wrote in Ron Paul for prez as well.. I vowed a decade ago to never vote for another republican or democrat for the rest of my life..

 

 

If less people thought as shallow as TJ.. we wouldn't have to play football anymore..

[RoyalOrleans]

I wrote in Ron Paul for prez as well.. I vowed a decade ago to never vote for another republican or democrat for the rest of my life..

 

 

If less people thought as shallow as TJ.. we wouldn't have to play football anymore..

 

I came to that conclusion too late, but a whole lot better than NEVER!

[wez]

I came to that conclusion too late, but a whole lot better than NEVER!

 

 

No doubt about it.. Spread the word.. best we can do short of pitchforks and torches..

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Nor has it applied to my lifetime (of voting) in my state. A few Democrats here and there aside (mainly in more metropolitan and the Perimeter of Atlanta areas), Georgia tends to vote Republican. I could've penciled in "Dwayne Rufus Collins III" but it wouldn't have mattered, McCain still carried Georgia.

 

He (bam bam) probably carried 3 or 4 counties down here, maybe 10 in the state... But McCain won Georgia by a pretty big margin if I'm not mistaken.

 

Than again, Jimmy Carter came from Georgia. Then we fall back on the fact he is loved by the lefties in the more metropolitan areas of Georgia. He is really disliked in my district.

 

I work in Americus, which is next door to Plains, and Carter shops at the local walmart. They clear out isles so that he can shop. Nobody here (that's white) can stand him. Was that racist?

[timesjoke]

At last check, Ron Paul IS a Republican.

 

If you mean side with someone who has a better chance of winning, then you must've voted for Obama along with the rest of your state. McCain carried Georgia, but I wasn't dumb enough to waste my vote on a RINO who is a 25% socialist.

He was a Republican but did not receive the nomination.

 

The only conservative minded person who could have won the election was McCain, any vote for someone other then McCain was a vote for Obama. Every political expert said it was the independents who gave Obama the election.

[RoyalOrleans]

He was a Republican but did not receive the nomination.

 

The only conservative minded person who could have won the election was McCain, any vote for someone other then McCain was a vote for Obama. Every political expert said it was the independents who gave Obama the election.

 

Though I grasp the point that you're driving at, to a scholarly degree, I think it is simply a matter of principles. McCain is a "conservative", or claims to be, but he is also (as you have said over and over) a 25% socialist, the lesser evil. That is too much to waste my voice on. I can not, in good faith, place my vote for a man who has about two more points of principle than G. Dubya.

 

And mumber two... get this through your head... Ron Paul IS not an independent. He is a member of the Republican National Party, one of the two major parties in the land. Did you know that, TJ? Did you know that the GOP are Republicans, TJ? I voted for a Republican. Get over yourself.

 

You say that independents indirectly put Obama in the big seat like you've found the freakin' Holy Grail of excuses. "Oh my God!" and "Eureka!" I can hear it all now. Yet you fail to see that, if McCain were a better choice, a better speaker, a stronger "conservative", and not a RINO; perhaps your boy would be sitting in the White House now. That is not how it ended up, because people will always vote how Hollywood and others tell them to vote.

 

A vote for Obama, came from those who voted for him. Likewise for McCain. You're just a tired old broken down excuse machine that sounds like Obama when he talks about "inherited problems".

 

You vote how you want to vote, TJ. That is your right, but don't look down the nose or blame me for all of the country's woes. My state carried McCain, by the way, perhaps you should campaign for the next RINO now to get Florida's support.

 

I am waiting for your next excuse....

[RoyalOrleans]

He (bam bam) probably carried 3 or 4 counties down here, maybe 10 in the state... But McCain won Georgia by a pretty big margin if I'm not mistaken.

 

Election Center 2008 - Georgia

 

Election Center 2008 - Florida

 

The difference between Obama and McCain voters in Georgia is 204,636.

 

The difference between Obama and McCain voters in Florida is 236,450.

 

 

 

I work in Americus, which is next door to Plains, and Carter shops at the local walmart. They clear out isles so that he can shop. Nobody here (that's white) can stand him. Was that racist?

 

He's a black cultural hero like Robert Downey, JR.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Election Center 2008 - Georgia

 

Election Center 2008 - Florida

 

The difference between Obama and McCain voters in Georgia is 204,636.

 

The difference between Obama and McCain voters in Florida is 236,450.

 

 

 

 

 

He's a black cultural hero like Robert Downey, JR.

 

I was right on 3 out of 4 of those counties! Sumter, Dougherty, and Terrell. I thought that Crisp county would have gone the way of bam bam too... But I am proven wrong...

[timesjoke]

I am not the one trying to spend a lot of time talking about a guy who was not good enough to get his party nomination. I am not the one talking about "did you know that" when I said myself that he was a Republican so why do you waste time saying it over and over again? Becuse that is better than admitting that you knew only one of two people could win, and you did not vote for the one who was a Conservative minded person. When you admit you helped to add to the splintering of the Conservative people, then how can you not agree that the splintering helps the liberals?

 

They might not like it, but at the end of the day they stick together, people like you do not.

 

Voting the way you want to vote is your right RO, but stop pretending to believe in Conservative values when you refuse to help the most conservative person who can win the election. You know when you cast your vote that your actually helping people like Obama by witholding your support from the Conservative who can beat him.

 

 

 

And guess what, why would a more conservative person want to run for office when people like you run them down so much? Why would anyone want to be ripped apart from all directions? If you were more supportive of conservatives of all degree then that wouls encourage other conservative minded people to get into the game.

[hugo]

That is the rules as they are at the time you place your vote, you know that only one of two people can win, trying to pretend that the game is something it is not is f'in retarded.

 

When i went to vote I knew only one person could win. Trying to pretend McCain had a chance to win the Presidency would have been retarded,

[timesjoke]

When i went to vote I knew only one person could win. Trying to pretend McCain had a chance to win the Presidency would have been retarded

 

Because of the independents like you true, you guys handed the election to Obama because of the splintering. Normally conservative people had excuses not to support the only conservative with a chance to win, and their failure to vote conservative caused things like this healthcare bill to be passed.

 

I just hope these splinter groups learned their lesson, sleeping at the wheel leads to people like Obama

[RoyalOrleans]

Hugo never mentioned who he voted for, but you assume that since he disagrees with you.

 

I did, however, mention who I voted for. And I would've voted against Jesus H. Christ if his running mate were Sarah Palin. McCain plus Palin equals about a 95% (give or take 2-3 percentage points) socialist that's too much of a cross to bear, let alone in factions unto themselves.

 

At last update, Ron Paul is still a member of the Republican party. If he switches, you'll be the first to let me know; I'm suspicious.

[timesjoke]

Hugo never mentioned who he voted for, but you assume that since he disagrees with you.

 

He has said several times he did not vote for McCain and the way he attacks Palin like Cujo, you can tell he would never vote for the conservative ticket.

 

 

I did, however, mention who I voted for. And I would've voted against Jesus H. Christ if his running mate were Sarah Palin. McCain plus Palin equals about a 95% (give or take 2-3 percentage points) socialist that's too much of a cross to bear, let alone in factions unto themselves.

 

Right there is why decent conservatives will not run for office very often. You completely distort and lie about their possitions. Palin is as much a socialist as you are. Just because someone supports the laws of the land that does not make them a socialist. Taking the oil away from the people who own it without compensation would have been comminust though, is that the system you want?

 

 

At last update, Ron Paul is still a member of the Republican party. If he switches, you'll be the first to let me know; I'm suspicious.

Again, nobody was talking about party but who can "WIN" an election in that party. If you vote for Ron Paul when the only conservative running for office against the liberal is McCain then you in reality helped the liberal to win. Why you feel turning your back on conservative values is served by helping Obama get elected I have no idea.

 

 

Vote for anyone during the run off, but once the game is narrowed down to the final two people, one conservative and one liberal, then it is time to make your mark, either you support conservatives or you don't. Voting for anyone but McCain was a vote for liberals. Again, this is about splintering when the liberals do not splinter, we are at a disadvantage when a large number of people like you refuse to stick together to at least limit some of the things like this healthcare bill.

 

 

I remember many people giving Chi a hard time for voting for Obama but you know what, Chi is very liberal so she voted the way she has always vocally believed, but you guys, you cry and cry about how you want the Nation to return to conservative values but when the game is on the line, you vote to support Obama, I just have to say that your more responsible for Obama getting elected than Chi was, so back at you...

 

 

Thanks RO for Obamacare.

[RoyalOrleans]

I am not the one trying to spend a lot of time talking about a guy who was not good enough to get his party nomination. I am not the one talking about "did you know that" when I said myself that he was a Republican so why do you waste time saying it over and over again? Becuse that is better than admitting that you knew only one of two people could win, and you did not vote for the one who was a Conservative minded person. When you admit you helped to add to the splintering of the Conservative people, then how can you not agree that the splintering helps the liberals?

 

You're a child, TJ. And if I talk to you in a repetitive, redundant, and pedantic manner; I am only imitating the standards you have set in this thread. You are the absolute epitome of the problems with the current "conservative" movement. In that, you have too much elasticity, too much give, too much compromise in your beliefs.

 

If splintering effected the outcome of the 2008 election, then it was the fact that the conservatives splintered from G.Dubya's good buddies in the House and Senate. I didn't cause the rift by voting a certain way.

 

You want to carry on voting for these neocons, RINOs, statists, and Marxists, that is your right and I fully expect you to exercise it.

 

They might not like it, but at the end of the day they stick together, people like you do not.

 

Voting the way you want to vote is your right RO, but stop pretending to believe in Conservative values when you refuse to help the most conservative person who can win the election. You know when you cast your vote that your actually helping people like Obama by witholding your support from the Conservative who can beat him.

 

I have no intention of sticking together with any one party. I choose based on principles, because the smallest minority in the world is MYSELF. I will not vote party lines just to get an old RINO (Did you know that RINO means "Republican In Name Only"?)in office and I don't latch on, march lock-step with the status quo.

 

And you have to have rocks in your head the size of Gibraltar if you believe that McCain had a chance against Obama's political machine. McCain ran a wimpish, almost apologetic campaign and for that he deserved to lose by the freakin' landslide that it was.

 

And guess what, why would a more conservative person want to run for office when people like you run them down so much? Why would anyone want to be ripped apart from all directions?

 

Ohhh... the poor little politician... up there in DC getting wallowing in power and reveling in a bloated sense of self worth. Ohh... how my heart aches for them! -------- NAH! You can't be serious! You want me to feel sorry for a politician? I would if they were able to take the "barrel of their gun" off of me and point it at themselves. (Chew on that analogy to the police power of government.)

 

In the meantime, if they don't want to be scrutinized by the likes of me? Then, they can go sell Che Guevara t-shirts along the interstate. If the son-of-a-bitches can't take the heat, then get the hell out of the kitchen. I never criticize the person handling my food, but I will forever dog those who handle my money.

 

If you were more supportive of conservatives of all degree then that wouls encourage other conservative minded people to get into the game.

 

You're joking? Have you not read anything that I have replied to you?

 

I will not bend my principles so that they align with some quasi-commie statist RINO. And I sure as hell wouldn't encourage someone else to vote that way, either.

[ImWithStupid]

Right there is why decent conservatives will not run for office very often. You completely distort and lie about their possitions. Palin is as much a socialist as you are. Just because someone supports the laws of the land that does not make them a socialist. Taking the oil away from the people who own it without compensation would have been comminust though, is that the system you want

 

 

Show me where Palin is a conservative. I'll concede that she is a social conservative, but her record does not reflect that of a small government, fiscal or economic conservative.

[ImWithStupid]

I have no intention of sticking together with any one party. I choose based on principles, because the smallest minority in the world is MYSELF. I will not vote party lines just to get an old RINO (Did you know that RINO means "Republican In Name Only"?)in office and I don't latch on, march lock-step with the status quo.

 

 

First off, I like Mark Steyn's DIABLO (Democrat In All But Label Only) over RINO, but that said, TJ still won't address the fact that since the reality of conservative candidates winning anything, as we all know that 2006 and 2008 were going to happen know matter what, that it's people like him that lost New York 23, by voting for Skozzavava over Hoffman because the RNC said that she was most likely to win, but when presented with a real conservative, and if he were backed from the beginning the real conservatives would have elected him, but the TJ's (sellouts) of the world put a Democrat in that seat for the first time in over a quarter century.

[RoyalOrleans]

He has said several times he did not vote for McCain and the way he attacks Palin like Cujo, you can tell he would never vote for the conservative ticket.

 

Ok... well... maybe he did. I could care less.

 

 

Right there is why decent conservatives will not run for office very often. You completely distort and lie about their possitions. Palin is as much a socialist as you are. Just because someone supports the laws of the land that does not make them a socialist. Taking the oil away from the people who own it without compensation would have been comminust though, is that the system you want?

 

Enlighten me, TJ. Tell me what you deem a decent conservative.

 

When a decent conservative rears his ugly head, I'll give him a nod and do some homework on him or her. Right now, as it stands, the best the "conservatives" can give us is John McCain. They've got a lot of work to do if they're going to get any respect back.

 

As far as Palin is concerned; if communism is her game, then she is free to practice it in her state when she was governor. I don't want that system, but the state reserves the right to be as capitalist or as communist as the they want. If you don't like either system, move to a different state.

 

Again, nobody was talking about party but who can "WIN" an election in that party. If you vote for Ron Paul when the only conservative running for office against the liberal is McCain then you in reality helped the liberal to win. Why you feel turning your back on conservative values is served by helping Obama get elected I have no idea.

 

And I will continue turning my back on this so-called conservative movement if they keep throwing John McCain types up to the forefront.

 

Even if McCain had won the presidency, he'd have to deal with a leftist Senate and Congress. McCain would've been a lame duck by March of '09... if not sooner. Then what? Blame the lefties for penis-blocking McCain here and there? No... McCain would bend like a pine sapling against a rising storm.

 

He is weak. He is not a conservative that reflects the values of the GOP of old. McCain is the epitome of RINO.

 

Vote for anyone during the run off, but once the game is narrowed down to the final two people, one conservative and one liberal, then it is time to make your mark, either you support conservatives or you don't. Voting for anyone but McCain was a vote for liberals. Again, this is about splintering when the liberals do not splinter, we are at a disadvantage when a large number of people like you refuse to stick together to at least limit some of the things like this healthcare bill.

 

You're a broken record.

 

Your posts are all about shifting blame and making excuses. Blah blah blah goes the excuse machine.

 

 

I remember many people giving Chi a hard time for voting for Obama but you know what, Chi is very liberal so she voted the way she has always vocally believed, but you guys, you cry and cry about how you want the Nation to return to conservative values but when the game is on the line, you vote to support Obama, I just have to say that your more responsible for Obama getting elected than Chi was, so back at you...

 

Thanks RO for Obamacare.

 

I don't remember you coming in to referee the Chi-bashing parties and call "foul" on the others. Why would you bring her up unless you are trying to divert attention off your gross inequities as a man? Then you insult her and then sort of take up for her here and then make her sound like her vote didn't matter towards the candidate she chose. That's kind of throwing a non-participant in this discussion under the bus. I don't think Chi would like to be a party to your whining, brat-like post.

 

So just keep churning out them tired old excuses, TJ.

[RoyalOrleans]

First off, I like Mark Steyn's DIABLO (Democrat In All But Label Only) over RINO, but that said, TJ still won't address the fact that since the reality of conservative candidates winning anything, as we all know that 2006 and 2008 were going to happen know matter what, that it's people like him that lost New York 23, by voting for Skozzavava over Hoffman because the RNC said that she was most likely to win, but when presented with a real conservative, and if he were backed from the beginning the real conservatives would have elected him, but the TJ's (sellouts) of the world put a Democrat in that seat for the first time in over a quarter century.

 

DIABLO is good, Ill have to inject that somewhere, sometime soon. Yet... potatoes... pah-tah-toes... they are all statists.

 

The excuse machine has a prepared statement... I'm sure.

[timesjoke]

Ok... well... maybe he did. I could care less.

 

If you didn't care why bring it up? I only replied to your question.

 

 

 

Enlighten me, TJ. Tell me what you deem a decent conservative.

 

When a decent conservative rears his ugly head, I'll give him a nod and do some homework on him or her. Right now, as it stands, the best the "conservatives" can give us is John McCain. They've got a lot of work to do if they're going to get any respect back.

 

Decent conservatives and even middle of the road liberals are those who are still connected to the people, listening to the people and (here comes the important part) who are representing the people. When you run people into the dirt without good reason that sends a message out to all those good people that there is no decency to be had even from fellow conservatives so where is the motivation to run for office RO?

 

My point is if we encourage good people to run for office, then more good people will see that and also want to run for office but right now who are mainly the only people who are willing to run for office? Lawyers, and what are lawyers? Trained liars.

 

 

As far as Palin is concerned; if communism is her game, then she is free to practice it in her state when she was governor. I don't want that system, but the state reserves the right to be as capitalist or as communist as the they want. If you don't like either system, move to a different state.

 

No, I asked you why you want her to be communist?

 

The laws of the State says the oil belongs to the people. Palin did not write that law but as Governor has to enforce that law of the land. She is not a socialist just because she is following the laws and representing the people of Alaska in that capacity. She does not have to agree with the laws to enforce the laws. I remember a bunch of women's groups tried to say Sarah Palin would be a huge step backward for all women because she did not believe in the right to have an abortion. There was a successful woman, with a husband who was also the father of her children. She successfully competed against the men and beat them. She was good looking and people liked her as a person, but even though she was a real success story of how you can win and stay a woman, these women's groups only saw that one thing and lost their minds. When asked about abortion Palin said she did not agree with it but would support the laws of the land she served........I think that says it best.

 

 

 

 

And I will continue turning my back on this so-called conservative movement if they keep throwing John McCain types up to the forefront.

 

And you will be helping people like Obama get elected at the same time, cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

Even if McCain had won the presidency, he'd have to deal with a leftist Senate and Congress. McCain would've been a lame duck by March of '09... if not sooner. Then what? Blame the lefties for penis-blocking McCain here and there? No... McCain would bend like a pine sapling against a rising storm.

 

He is weak. He is not a conservative that reflects the values of the GOP of old. McCain is the epitome of RINO.

 

Now who is stuck on the excuses?

 

It was okay not to support the conservative because you believe he was weak and there would have been no difference? Well I do not agree, at the very least he would have blocked things like this healthcare bill, ever hear of prevention? While nobody including your precious isolationist Ron Paul would have gotten much done with a liberal congress, there is something to be said about prevention as well. An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure, if nothing else McCain would have been a form of prevention to block the worse things the liberals could do to the fablic of America.

 

This healthcare entitltment will not go away, this is what happens when good people like you (yes your a good person, I don't think your bad) gets disheartened.

 

 

You're a broken record.

 

Your posts are all about shifting blame and making excuses. Blah blah blah goes the excuse machine.

 

Back at you, your posts are all about how your refusing to support conservatives didn't really matter, your state carried McCain anyway and how McCain was weak so he would have made no difference but we both know that no matter how weak you think he was, things like this healthcare bill would naver have passed, and now we have it, not there is a new entitlement for America, all because many people took their eye off the ball and either directly, or indirectly supported Obama as President.

 

 

 

I don't remember you coming in to referee the Chi-bashing parties and call "foul" on the others. Why would you bring her up unless you are trying to divert attention off your gross inequities as a man? Then you insult her and then sort of take up for her here and then make her sound like her vote didn't matter towards the candidate she chose. That's kind of throwing a non-participant in this discussion under the bus. I don't think Chi would like to be a party to your whining, brat-like post.

 

So just keep churning out them tired old excuses, TJ.

 

That was a good dodge of the point, I did not say a single bad thing about Chi, not one. I was showing her respect for supporting those who believe what she believes and I see no real fault for a liberal to help a fellow liberal get elected. My point was that while a liberal helping a liberal is expected, it is not expected for a vocal conservative like you and hugo to support the liberal as well.